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19:02:36 <MrsB> Morning all, welcome to another one :)
19:02:53 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:02:53 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
19:03:09 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
19:03:21 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
19:04:13 <MrsB> guess not :( We did have somebody interested though \o/
19:04:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Feature proposals for Mageia 4
19:04:34 <MrsB> ah yes, thanks
19:04:44 <wilcal> Have there been wiki pages open yet
19:05:05 <MrsB> Do you remember a while ago I emailed to say you could submit proposals for features in mageia 4?
19:05:23 <lewyssmith> Yes, bt ut I forget the end date
19:05:24 <wilcal> Yes, and I did place some comments there
19:05:27 <MrsB> The time has now passed and features are now being discussed
19:05:42 <MrsB> the end date was Tuesday
19:05:59 <MrsB> some have been accepted, some yet to be discussed
19:06:22 <MrsB> There will be a page similar to the one we had for mageia 3 catloguing everything
19:06:29 <MrsB> cataloguing*
19:06:31 <wilcal> what is the policy for packages in development but may still be in beta at our release date
19:06:46 <MrsB> we can get to that, OT for now :P
19:07:06 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia4_Review is what is there now, it'll be filled in later
19:07:40 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:ProposedFeatureMageia4 this is a list of proposals
19:08:13 <MrsB> I'll let you know when there is more news on this :)
19:08:30 <MrsB> anything to ask now?
19:08:38 * led43_mag1 is sorry he's late but now lurking with diner on lap
19:09:00 <MrsB> i hope you brought enough for everybody
19:09:24 <MrsB> If no questions, lets move on
19:09:24 <wilcal> There are two critical video editing apps one of which is now in Mageia 3 that will be big movers and shakers next year
19:09:32 <wilcal> wait
19:09:42 <MrsB> to do with feature proposals?
19:09:53 <wilcal> both may be in beta still at years end but almost release
19:09:59 <led43_mag1> i would like to see the long term networking bug fixed
19:10:38 <MrsB> we're getting to the release news
19:10:46 <MrsB> lets do it now shall we
19:10:51 <wilcal> k
19:10:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Release schedule for Mageia 4
19:10:54 <MrsB> nothing else on the features tho?
19:11:02 <led43_mag1> not here
19:11:22 <MrsB> Council agreed a release date for mageia 4
19:11:43 <MrsB> it's scheduled for release just before FOSDEM next year
19:11:46 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development
19:11:52 <wilcal> OoOOooo
19:12:00 <MrsB> FOSDEM is 2nd & 3rd Feb IINM
19:12:02 <wilcal> Bells and Whistles at FOSDEM
19:12:16 <MrsB> we need to be able to release at the end of January
19:12:48 <MrsB> things will be alot better controlled this time, features must be implemented by beta stages
19:12:56 <led43_mag1> we need an early freez then to iron out iso bugs
19:13:01 <MrsB> ie, the last alpha will be the last chance for features
19:13:16 <led43_mag1> 2nd that
19:13:26 <wilcal> FWIW if Airfares don't go through the roof and everything stays
19:13:28 <wilcal> stuck together for me I'm gonna try and make it to FOSDEM
19:13:33 <MrsB> yes, it'll be a challenge but with a fixed deadline the motivation is there
19:13:50 <MrsB> nice wilcal :)
19:14:01 <MrsB> #info wilcal may be going to fosdem!
19:14:16 <wilcal> Cross fingers
19:14:26 <led43_mag1> if my plans come together and i can sort out passport i would like to come
19:14:27 <wilcal> after I'm headed back to Amsterdam for a few days
19:14:36 <MrsB> does this answer your other question wilcal?
19:14:37 <wilcal> back to my old haunts  :-))
19:15:04 <wilcal> Yes we'll just have to see
19:15:15 <MrsB> #info led43 may go to fosdem too \o/
19:15:24 <wilcal> Did you know that OpenShot picked up over $30,000 funding from KickStarter
19:15:41 <MrsB> no, it's a good application though
19:15:49 <wilcal> They/He are go'n for the gold big time
19:16:14 <MrsB> any questions about the release news?
19:16:34 <led43_mag1> nope
19:16:35 <MrsB> lewyssmith, spiky001everything ok so far?
19:16:46 <lewyssmith> Yes
19:16:49 * MrsB tired typing
19:16:50 <spiky001> I,m fine thank you
19:16:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - how are you getting on?
19:16:56 <wilcal> ok by me
19:17:10 <MrsB> so now the big one :)
19:17:18 <wilcal> Ran into some problems here but really am work'n on em
19:17:19 <MrsB> how are you getting on with your testing?
19:17:37 <wilcal> FWIW I ran into this which delayed me
19:17:45 <spiky001> I have a few problems
19:17:45 <wilcal> Repeated x11 freezes with VirtualBox Guest Clients and an nVidia driver system
19:17:47 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10670
19:17:48 <[mbot> Bug 10670: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Repeated x11 freezes with VirtualBox Guest Clients and an nVidia driver system
19:17:48 <wilcal> I reported the bug.
19:17:58 <lewyssmith> I try one thing & another
19:18:04 <DavidWHodgins> I've been having problems with my eyes again, so haven't been able to do much.
19:18:08 <wilcal> had to reset my Vbox test platform
19:18:18 <MrsB> we're laden with updates again at the moment
19:18:27 <wilcal> David is your Vbox system using nVidia?
19:18:32 <led43_mag1> i will give https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1304 a try on my 32bit box
19:18:33 <[mbot> Bug 1304: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , The bash history records all movements with mc (midnight commander)., mc
19:18:47 <MrsB> well done led43_mag1, anything you need to ask now?
19:18:50 <lewyssmith> 10402: I think this can be cleared for 32-bit
19:19:01 <MrsB> bug 10402
19:19:02 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10402 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , gscan2pdf: wrong encodging wih gocr and tesseract not seen, gscan2pdf-1.0.6-2.mga3.src.rpm
19:19:17 <wilcal> I'm convinced that 10402 is a go
19:19:30 <led43_mag1> will probably need a bit of hand holding especially on the reporting side of things due to changes
19:19:32 <wilcal> I've tested it and made a couple comments there
19:19:32 <MrsB> ahh yes, I followed that one. We're not so much concerned with the quality of the software itself, more the quality of the package.
19:19:48 <wilcal> Installed just fine
19:19:55 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins: will you be ok to help led43_mag1after the meeting?
19:20:06 <lewyssmith> 10591: I await feedback on configuring Apache!
19:20:08 <DavidWHodgins> I expect so.
19:20:16 <led43_mag1> DavidWHodgins: ta
19:20:29 <MrsB> lewis, i answered your email, there were some details in the easy bugs email too
19:21:09 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I have checked my email, not seen your response. Will re-look.
19:21:13 <wilcal> I've another question on one of the "easy" ones
19:21:20 <DavidWHodgins> kernel updates are back again. They'll need to be tested by as many people as possible, on real hardware.
19:21:22 <MrsB> fire away
19:21:27 <MrsB> yes
19:21:30 <wilcal> parental control does not work
19:21:32 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9195
19:21:33 <[mbot> Bug 9195: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , parental control does not work, (acl is not added is the mounted partition), drakguard-0.7.8-3.mga3
19:21:33 <wilcal> Put'n time into understanding this
19:21:35 <wilcal> Derek Jennings Comment 21
19:21:36 <wilcal> 2/ Edit /etc/fstab and remove the option .acl from any hard drive partition
19:21:38 <wilcal> If I do that the system will not boot.
19:21:59 <wilcal> anyway I'm poke'n at that one too
19:22:18 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Not every partition, just one that isn't used during normal boot.
19:22:29 <wilcal> MMmmm that's why it crashed
19:22:38 <wilcal> httpd sometimes deadlocks on restart....
19:22:40 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10591
19:22:41 <[mbot> Bug 10591: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , httpd sometimes deadlocks on restart/shutdown resulting in systemd timeout after a delay, httpd
19:22:41 <wilcal> Do I need another system running on the LAN
19:22:43 <wilcal> to "few request to a simple apache + PHP page"
19:23:01 <MrsB> I think it means the .acl which was added by testing the release version
19:23:10 <MrsB> so you can test the update
19:23:17 <wilcal> Ok I'll tinker with it some more
19:23:33 <MrsB> yeah, not really looked at it yet
19:23:34 <wilcal> FWIW the latest version of Vbox in M3 is outstanding
19:24:34 <wilcal> Not quite sure how to test 10591
19:24:38 <MrsB> tmb has been busy building new kernels for us to test today so we're a bit buried again
19:25:02 <MrsB> if you say 'bug' in front then mbot posts a link to click
19:25:08 <MrsB> bug 10591
19:25:09 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10591 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , httpd sometimes deadlocks on restart/shutdown resulting in systemd timeout after a delay, httpd
19:25:11 <lewyssmith> wilcal: The bug has advice on how to test it
19:25:16 <wilcal> I see some LibreOffice stuff in there but no bug to test against
19:25:33 <MrsB> no, don't worry about LO for now
19:25:40 <MrsB> if theres no bug, ignore it
19:25:48 <MrsB> speak of the devil..
19:26:00 <tmb> yes :)
19:26:08 <DavidWHodgins> It there's no bug, it means the developer isn't ready to assign it to qa.
19:26:09 <MrsB> was just saying you'd buried us again :D
19:26:19 <MrsB> how are you feeling tmb?
19:27:24 <tmb> MrsB: well, so far so good... getting better every day... but its also needed as there will be some "bumps in the road ahead" :/
19:27:40 <MrsB> oh dear :\
19:28:20 <MrsB> well we all wish you well (apart from when you build kernels obviously :P)
19:28:28 <tmb> :)
19:29:27 <tmb> well, if you want to prioritize kernel order, focus on the "core" one first for both mga2 and mga3 as that covers most users
19:29:27 <MrsB> so as Dave said, please install the kernels and try them, the more people who test them, the better
19:30:14 <MrsB> so kernel-desktop first?
19:30:15 * led43_mag1 has 2 32bit boxes, will convert one to m3 tomo if up to it
19:30:29 <MrsB> or you mean kernel-linus
19:30:47 <MrsB> desktop i guess for most users
19:31:06 <tmb> the iScsi one is remote exploitable (CVE-2013-2850)
19:31:11 <MrsB> the more the merrier led43_mag1
19:31:22 <tmb> I meant: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10651 and: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10697
19:31:24 <[mbot> Bug 10651: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2
19:31:25 <[mbot> Bug 10697: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3, kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3
19:31:52 <lewyssmith> I could not fathom out just what iScsi is, despite looking everywhere
19:32:17 <lewyssmith> I did not read the RFC, I admit
19:32:21 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. With a remotely exploitable vulnerability, we should get the kernel updates out as soon as possible. Everyone please try to test by this time tomorrow.
19:32:30 <MrsB> #info For kernel testing please https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10651 and: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10697 prioritise
19:32:32 <[mbot> Bug 10651: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2
19:32:33 <[mbot> Bug 10697: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3, kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3
19:32:41 <MrsB> oops
19:32:43 <MrsB> #undo
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19:32:49 <wilcal> I do not see that kernel in update_testing
19:32:55 <MrsB> #info For kernel testing please prioritise https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10651 and: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10697
19:32:57 <[mbot> Bug 10651: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2
19:32:58 <[mbot> Bug 10697: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3, kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3
19:33:01 <tmb> there is some "hidden CVEs "in the updates but I dont know when they get public, so I dont have any CVE tagging on them yet...
19:33:53 <MrsB> We may not be able to reproduce everything Lewis, the important thing is that the updated kernels work OK for you and support all your hardware etc at least as well as the previous one did
19:34:00 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do my "mass kernel install/update/test", after the meeting.
19:34:38 <tmb> kernel-vserver for mga3 will be done sometimes next week as its a PITA to fix up...
19:34:52 <MrsB> what is it?
19:35:19 <tmb> vserver or "PITA" ?
19:35:23 <MrsB> lol vserver
19:36:35 <tmb> it is this: http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org, src.rpm name kernel-vserver
19:37:08 <MrsB> so specialised for running VM's?
19:37:10 <tmb> it has some nice features even if we dont have many users of it
19:37:30 <tmb> yep, with full separation between the chroots
19:37:35 <MrsB> i see, thanks
19:38:03 <MrsB> so, apart from the kernels we have some 'easy bugs' at the moment too
19:38:04 <tmb> and it even supports urpmi calls to install the chroots with the util-vserver tools :)
19:38:27 <MrsB> maybe worth experimenting with tmb :)
19:38:39 <tmb> yep
19:39:06 <MrsB> Is anybody going to take advantage of the 'easy bugs' while we have them?
19:39:15 <MrsB> did you see my emails btw?
19:39:22 <MrsB> easy bugs ones
19:39:25 <wilcal> Work'n on'em as best I can
19:39:29 <spiky001> I did
19:39:46 <wilcal> i think the gscan2pdf thing is good to go
19:40:12 <MrsB> if you think it's ready, you just have to follow the process and when it's ready validate it
19:40:33 <MrsB> please do have a go at them
19:40:57 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Did you mean the 'Two easy bugs' msg?
19:40:59 <wilcal> Soon as I get a respone to my one comment I will do
19:40:59 <wilcal> Learn'n a lot there
19:41:04 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates as a reminder
19:41:13 <DavidWHodgins> Before adding the validated update keywork, check to see if a comment is there, indicating the advisory has been uploaded.
19:41:32 <MrsB> lewis yeah, theres some easy ones to have a go at which will help you to get used to the validation process
19:41:45 <DavidWHodgins> If not, just put ready to be validated in the comment.
19:42:54 <MrsB> i'll keep email any easy bugs we gte as they're a great way to get started. The validation process makes alot more sense when actually doing it than when just reading it on the wiki.
19:43:10 * MrsB typos
19:43:24 <MrsB> anybody have anything to ask while we're all here?
19:44:21 <led43_mag1> not here
19:44:41 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:44:50 <MrsB> thanks guys, keep up the good work on those
19:45:09 <MrsB> Luigi12: ping?
19:45:35 * MrsB haven't seen him on irc today
19:45:41 <lewyssmith> 10402: it does not seem that anyone has tried this on 64-bit
19:45:41 <lewyssmith> So it cannot be OK'd
19:46:35 <MrsB> well, remember when you've tested something to add the appropriate whiteboard tag
19:46:58 <lewyssmith> Can you put MGA3-32-OK directly in the whiteboard field?
19:47:10 <MrsB> it's all in the validation process. It helps to have it open as you test something and be able to follow it as a step-by-step guide
19:47:23 <MrsB> yes you can, that's the idea :)
19:47:50 <wilcal> My test scan has bold characters and they come through just fine
19:48:58 <MrsB> if it's working then you need to add the appropriate whiteboard tag, when they're all doen then it can be validated
19:49:04 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I have no trouble with the test validation procedure; just odd details 1st time round
19:49:11 <lewyssmith> I *do* keep it open when doing things
19:49:16 <MrsB> yeah, it's confusing to start with
19:49:46 <wilcal> I like to repeat the not working thing first
19:50:01 <wilcal> anyway it's Luigi's turn
19:50:02 <MrsB> it'll make sense though if you follow it right through. If there is anything that baffles you you only need to ask. Always ask.
19:50:12 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Try italics with GOCR!
19:50:24 <wilcal> Will do thanks lew
19:50:46 <MrsB> remember, we're not testing to see how good gocr is, we're testing to see that our packages gocr does what it should be doing.
19:50:58 <lewyssmith> Tesseract is great, whcih is why it was important that it should be 'seen'
19:51:01 <wilcal> basically install and launch
19:51:17 <MrsB> or gscan2pdf rather
19:51:36 <MrsB> with that one it's described what you need to check
19:52:26 <lewyssmith> I can only do 320bit
19:52:26 <lewyssmith> 32
19:52:29 <MrsB> Anyway, I think the roundup is essentially just php-radius at the moment.
19:52:31 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: The core release version runs, but won't scan png, tiff, etc. The test is to ensure it will read the various image formats.
19:52:43 <DavidWHodgins> Which I'm working on.
19:52:51 <MrsB> #info php-radius still needs testing. Dave's on the case.
19:52:58 <wilcal> Gotta fire up the HP all-in-one again
19:53:10 <DavidWHodgins> Have a kerberos server set up, samba server, currently working on configuring the freeradius server.
19:53:26 <MrsB> maybe try the build tests on it Dave, should be sufficient if they pass
19:53:57 <MrsB> i thought David had rebuilt it with the tests but guess not
19:54:27 <Luigi12> oh whoops, meeting
19:54:36 <MrsB> yay \o/
19:54:46 <wilcal> Hi ya Luigi
19:54:54 <MrsB> saved us from a 2nd rate MrsB's Roundup
19:55:04 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:56:36 <wilcal> I see the Mageia App Db page just got updated with a bunch of Kernel stuff
19:57:08 <MrsB> it updates automatically wilcal. It always shows bugs assigned to us which are waiting to be validated
19:57:48 <lewyssmith> Silence is golden; are we done?
19:58:10 <MrsB> Luigi12: Anything for the roundup?
19:59:11 <MrsB> he's gone again :D
19:59:23 <Luigi12> sorry, was reading up
19:59:30 <MrsB> it's ok
19:59:48 <wilcal> So update to the test kernel and reboot. A succesful reboot means it works
20:00:08 <Luigi12> yep, looks like just opera and kernels and php-radius at the moment, kernels sound important, the others not so critical probably
20:00:12 <Luigi12> lemme check the pipeline
20:00:16 <MrsB> make sure any dkms drivers build ok, test your hardware works ok.
20:00:24 <MrsB> oh opera too yeah
20:00:40 <wilcal> works or broke, that's sounds like an easy one :-))
20:00:44 <MrsB> #info opera was built today too, usualy high priority
20:01:18 <MrsB> yeah don't be scared of testing the kernels. If it doesn't work you just choose your old one next boot.
20:01:20 <Luigi12> nodejs for Mageia 2 is pushed to QA, so that isn't marked as security, but it will close a security bug in Mageia 2
20:01:37 <Luigi12> it will allow us to obsolete the buggy system v8 library in Mageia 2, which has security bugs in it
20:01:41 <wilcal> I just killdisk the HD  :-))
20:01:54 <MrsB> #info nodejs will close a security bug in mga2 aswell as the bugfix
20:02:09 <MrsB> do you want to add it to the advisory Luigi12 or happy to let it slide?
20:02:24 <Luigi12> it's noted in coincoin's comment on the bug
20:02:33 <MrsB> ok, didn't notice sorry
20:02:54 <Luigi12> I still don't know the ETA for the Java 6 update, but there should be one at some point
20:03:06 <Luigi12> this is what happens when Oracle isn't maintaining it anymore and RedHat has to do it
20:03:23 <MrsB> no rush, we're suddenly snowed under again :\
20:03:30 <wilcal> Oracle owns it that bought it when the bought Sun
20:03:33 <Luigi12> yeah crazy lot of bugfix updates at the moment
20:03:49 <MrsB> #info no eta on java 6 update for mga2
20:03:53 <Luigi12> waiting for a tomcat6 security update to get finished (it's partially done), so that'll be coming at sme point
20:04:07 <lewyssmith> What is Tomcat?
20:04:10 <MrsB> #info tomcat6 sec update coming
20:04:20 <wilcal> Old HTTP server
20:04:24 <Luigi12> ruby security update is waiting for Mageia 2, Mageia 3 update is ready, so that'll hopefully be ready soon
20:04:29 <wilcal> been around a very long time
20:04:43 <MrsB> it's fairly easy to test, it's kind of a web frontend for running java applications
20:04:44 <Luigi12> waiting for guillomovitch to make a security update for GLPI
20:05:13 <MrsB> there are several versions on tomcat we carry though
20:05:50 <MrsB> #info ruby updates are coming and soon glpi
20:06:13 <MrsB> ruby itself is an easy one to test, it's the gems that are a pain
20:06:18 <Luigi12> looks like that's it
20:06:21 <MrsB> speaking of which..
20:06:48 <MrsB> rubygem-passenger looks broken to me
20:06:56 <Luigi12> yeah I saw that
20:06:57 <MrsB> bug 10497
20:06:58 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10497 major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , rubygem-passenger new security issue CVE-2013-2119, rubygem-passenger-3.0.18-4.mga3.src.rpm
20:07:09 <Luigi12> we were able to issue an update for rubygem-passenger for mga2, but that's a 2.x version
20:07:34 <MrsB> going to assign it back to you I think so it isn't sat with no love
20:07:42 <Luigi12> well assign it to funda if you do
20:07:45 <MrsB> ok np
20:08:12 <Luigi12> but yeah looks like that needs to be done.  Hopefully it'll actually get fixed.  It really should be dropped in Cauldron IMO.
20:08:39 <MrsB> i'll do that after then
20:08:45 <MrsB> anything else to add?
20:09:10 <wilcal> not from me
20:09:23 <MrsB> oh xdm, you might want to ping sysadmin Luigi12
20:09:41 <Luigi12> indeed
20:10:10 <MrsB> thanks for saving us from a 2nd rate roundup :)
20:10:38 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
20:10:43 <wilcal> not from me
20:10:49 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:10:52 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
20:10:56 * MrsB shocked
20:10:59 <lewyssmith> No
20:10:59 <led43_mag1> not here
20:10:59 <wilcal> back to playing with gscan2pdf
20:11:13 <MrsB> are you sure.. last chance..?
20:11:41 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody, please keep on with the updates! Same time next week
20:11:45 <MrsB> #endmeeting