19:02:27 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:02:27 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Jul 4 19:02:27 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:27 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:36 <MrsB> Morning all, welcome to another one :) 19:02:53 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 19:02:53 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 19:03:09 <MrsB> #topic Who's new? 19:03:21 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today? 19:04:13 <MrsB> guess not :( We did have somebody interested though \o/ 19:04:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Feature proposals for Mageia 4 19:04:34 <MrsB> ah yes, thanks 19:04:44 <wilcal> Have there been wiki pages open yet 19:05:05 <MrsB> Do you remember a while ago I emailed to say you could submit proposals for features in mageia 4? 19:05:23 <lewyssmith> Yes, bt ut I forget the end date 19:05:24 <wilcal> Yes, and I did place some comments there 19:05:27 <MrsB> The time has now passed and features are now being discussed 19:05:42 <MrsB> the end date was Tuesday 19:05:59 <MrsB> some have been accepted, some yet to be discussed 19:06:22 <MrsB> There will be a page similar to the one we had for mageia 3 catloguing everything 19:06:29 <MrsB> cataloguing* 19:06:31 <wilcal> what is the policy for packages in development but may still be in beta at our release date 19:06:46 <MrsB> we can get to that, OT for now :P 19:07:06 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia4_Review is what is there now, it'll be filled in later 19:07:40 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:ProposedFeatureMageia4 this is a list of proposals 19:08:13 <MrsB> I'll let you know when there is more news on this :) 19:08:30 <MrsB> anything to ask now? 19:08:38 * led43_mag1 is sorry he's late but now lurking with diner on lap 19:09:00 <MrsB> i hope you brought enough for everybody 19:09:24 <MrsB> If no questions, lets move on 19:09:24 <wilcal> There are two critical video editing apps one of which is now in Mageia 3 that will be big movers and shakers next year 19:09:32 <wilcal> wait 19:09:42 <MrsB> to do with feature proposals? 19:09:53 <wilcal> both may be in beta still at years end but almost release 19:09:59 <led43_mag1> i would like to see the long term networking bug fixed 19:10:38 <MrsB> we're getting to the release news 19:10:46 <MrsB> lets do it now shall we 19:10:51 <wilcal> k 19:10:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Release schedule for Mageia 4 19:10:54 <MrsB> nothing else on the features tho? 19:11:02 <led43_mag1> not here 19:11:22 <MrsB> Council agreed a release date for mageia 4 19:11:43 <MrsB> it's scheduled for release just before FOSDEM next year 19:11:46 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development 19:11:52 <wilcal> OoOOooo 19:12:00 <MrsB> FOSDEM is 2nd & 3rd Feb IINM 19:12:02 <wilcal> Bells and Whistles at FOSDEM 19:12:16 <MrsB> we need to be able to release at the end of January 19:12:48 <MrsB> things will be alot better controlled this time, features must be implemented by beta stages 19:12:56 <led43_mag1> we need an early freez then to iron out iso bugs 19:13:01 <MrsB> ie, the last alpha will be the last chance for features 19:13:16 <led43_mag1> 2nd that 19:13:26 <wilcal> FWIW if Airfares don't go through the roof and everything stays 19:13:28 <wilcal> stuck together for me I'm gonna try and make it to FOSDEM 19:13:33 <MrsB> yes, it'll be a challenge but with a fixed deadline the motivation is there 19:13:50 <MrsB> nice wilcal :) 19:14:01 <MrsB> #info wilcal may be going to fosdem! 19:14:16 <wilcal> Cross fingers 19:14:26 <led43_mag1> if my plans come together and i can sort out passport i would like to come 19:14:27 <wilcal> after I'm headed back to Amsterdam for a few days 19:14:36 <MrsB> does this answer your other question wilcal? 19:14:37 <wilcal> back to my old haunts :-)) 19:15:04 <wilcal> Yes we'll just have to see 19:15:15 <MrsB> #info led43 may go to fosdem too \o/ 19:15:24 <wilcal> Did you know that OpenShot picked up over $30,000 funding from KickStarter 19:15:41 <MrsB> no, it's a good application though 19:15:49 <wilcal> They/He are go'n for the gold big time 19:16:14 <MrsB> any questions about the release news? 19:16:34 <led43_mag1> nope 19:16:35 <MrsB> lewyssmith, spiky001everything ok so far? 19:16:46 <lewyssmith> Yes 19:16:49 * MrsB tired typing 19:16:50 <spiky001> I,m fine thank you 19:16:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - how are you getting on? 19:16:56 <wilcal> ok by me 19:17:10 <MrsB> so now the big one :) 19:17:18 <wilcal> Ran into some problems here but really am work'n on em 19:17:19 <MrsB> how are you getting on with your testing? 19:17:37 <wilcal> FWIW I ran into this which delayed me 19:17:45 <spiky001> I have a few problems 19:17:45 <wilcal> Repeated x11 freezes with VirtualBox Guest Clients and an nVidia driver system 19:17:47 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10670 19:17:48 <[mbot> Bug 10670: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Repeated x11 freezes with VirtualBox Guest Clients and an nVidia driver system 19:17:48 <wilcal> I reported the bug. 19:17:58 <lewyssmith> I try one thing & another 19:18:04 <DavidWHodgins> I've been having problems with my eyes again, so haven't been able to do much. 19:18:08 <wilcal> had to reset my Vbox test platform 19:18:18 <MrsB> we're laden with updates again at the moment 19:18:27 <wilcal> David is your Vbox system using nVidia? 19:18:32 <led43_mag1> i will give https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1304 a try on my 32bit box 19:18:33 <[mbot> Bug 1304: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , The bash history records all movements with mc (midnight commander)., mc 19:18:47 <MrsB> well done led43_mag1, anything you need to ask now? 19:18:50 <lewyssmith> 10402: I think this can be cleared for 32-bit 19:19:01 <MrsB> bug 10402 19:19:02 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10402 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , gscan2pdf: wrong encodging wih gocr and tesseract not seen, gscan2pdf-1.0.6-2.mga3.src.rpm 19:19:17 <wilcal> I'm convinced that 10402 is a go 19:19:30 <led43_mag1> will probably need a bit of hand holding especially on the reporting side of things due to changes 19:19:32 <wilcal> I've tested it and made a couple comments there 19:19:32 <MrsB> ahh yes, I followed that one. We're not so much concerned with the quality of the software itself, more the quality of the package. 19:19:48 <wilcal> Installed just fine 19:19:55 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins: will you be ok to help led43_mag1after the meeting? 19:20:06 <lewyssmith> 10591: I await feedback on configuring Apache! 19:20:08 <DavidWHodgins> I expect so. 19:20:16 <led43_mag1> DavidWHodgins: ta 19:20:29 <MrsB> lewis, i answered your email, there were some details in the easy bugs email too 19:21:09 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I have checked my email, not seen your response. Will re-look. 19:21:13 <wilcal> I've another question on one of the "easy" ones 19:21:20 <DavidWHodgins> kernel updates are back again. They'll need to be tested by as many people as possible, on real hardware. 19:21:22 <MrsB> fire away 19:21:27 <MrsB> yes 19:21:30 <wilcal> parental control does not work 19:21:32 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9195 19:21:33 <[mbot> Bug 9195: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , parental control does not work, (acl is not added is the mounted partition), drakguard-0.7.8-3.mga3 19:21:33 <wilcal> Put'n time into understanding this 19:21:35 <wilcal> Derek Jennings Comment 21 19:21:36 <wilcal> 2/ Edit /etc/fstab and remove the option .acl from any hard drive partition 19:21:38 <wilcal> If I do that the system will not boot. 19:21:59 <wilcal> anyway I'm poke'n at that one too 19:22:18 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Not every partition, just one that isn't used during normal boot. 19:22:29 <wilcal> MMmmm that's why it crashed 19:22:38 <wilcal> httpd sometimes deadlocks on restart.... 19:22:40 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10591 19:22:41 <[mbot> Bug 10591: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , httpd sometimes deadlocks on restart/shutdown resulting in systemd timeout after a delay, httpd 19:22:41 <wilcal> Do I need another system running on the LAN 19:22:43 <wilcal> to "few request to a simple apache + PHP page" 19:23:01 <MrsB> I think it means the .acl which was added by testing the release version 19:23:10 <MrsB> so you can test the update 19:23:17 <wilcal> Ok I'll tinker with it some more 19:23:33 <MrsB> yeah, not really looked at it yet 19:23:34 <wilcal> FWIW the latest version of Vbox in M3 is outstanding 19:24:34 <wilcal> Not quite sure how to test 10591 19:24:38 <MrsB> tmb has been busy building new kernels for us to test today so we're a bit buried again 19:25:02 <MrsB> if you say 'bug' in front then mbot posts a link to click 19:25:08 <MrsB> bug 10591 19:25:09 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10591 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , httpd sometimes deadlocks on restart/shutdown resulting in systemd timeout after a delay, httpd 19:25:11 <lewyssmith> wilcal: The bug has advice on how to test it 19:25:16 <wilcal> I see some LibreOffice stuff in there but no bug to test against 19:25:33 <MrsB> no, don't worry about LO for now 19:25:40 <MrsB> if theres no bug, ignore it 19:25:48 <MrsB> speak of the devil.. 19:26:00 <tmb> yes :) 19:26:08 <DavidWHodgins> It there's no bug, it means the developer isn't ready to assign it to qa. 19:26:09 <MrsB> was just saying you'd buried us again :D 19:26:19 <MrsB> how are you feeling tmb? 19:27:24 <tmb> MrsB: well, so far so good... getting better every day... but its also needed as there will be some "bumps in the road ahead" :/ 19:27:40 <MrsB> oh dear :\ 19:28:20 <MrsB> well we all wish you well (apart from when you build kernels obviously :P) 19:28:28 <tmb> :) 19:29:27 <tmb> well, if you want to prioritize kernel order, focus on the "core" one first for both mga2 and mga3 as that covers most users 19:29:27 <MrsB> so as Dave said, please install the kernels and try them, the more people who test them, the better 19:30:14 <MrsB> so kernel-desktop first? 19:30:15 * led43_mag1 has 2 32bit boxes, will convert one to m3 tomo if up to it 19:30:29 <MrsB> or you mean kernel-linus 19:30:47 <MrsB> desktop i guess for most users 19:31:06 <tmb> the iScsi one is remote exploitable (CVE-2013-2850) 19:31:11 <MrsB> the more the merrier led43_mag1 19:31:22 <tmb> I meant: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10651 and: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10697 19:31:24 <[mbot> Bug 10651: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2 19:31:25 <[mbot> Bug 10697: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3, kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3 19:31:52 <lewyssmith> I could not fathom out just what iScsi is, despite looking everywhere 19:32:17 <lewyssmith> I did not read the RFC, I admit 19:32:21 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. With a remotely exploitable vulnerability, we should get the kernel updates out as soon as possible. Everyone please try to test by this time tomorrow. 19:32:30 <MrsB> #info For kernel testing please https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10651 and: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10697 prioritise 19:32:32 <[mbot> Bug 10651: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2 19:32:33 <[mbot> Bug 10697: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3, kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3 19:32:41 <MrsB> oops 19:32:43 <MrsB> #undo 19:32:43 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x84dfdec> 19:32:49 <wilcal> I do not see that kernel in update_testing 19:32:55 <MrsB> #info For kernel testing please prioritise https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10651 and: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10697 19:32:57 <[mbot> Bug 10651: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.52-1.mga2 19:32:58 <[mbot> Bug 10697: major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3, kernel-3.8.13.4-1.mga3 19:33:01 <tmb> there is some "hidden CVEs "in the updates but I dont know when they get public, so I dont have any CVE tagging on them yet... 19:33:53 <MrsB> We may not be able to reproduce everything Lewis, the important thing is that the updated kernels work OK for you and support all your hardware etc at least as well as the previous one did 19:34:00 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do my "mass kernel install/update/test", after the meeting. 19:34:38 <tmb> kernel-vserver for mga3 will be done sometimes next week as its a PITA to fix up... 19:34:52 <MrsB> what is it? 19:35:19 <tmb> vserver or "PITA" ? 19:35:23 <MrsB> lol vserver 19:36:35 <tmb> it is this: http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org, src.rpm name kernel-vserver 19:37:08 <MrsB> so specialised for running VM's? 19:37:10 <tmb> it has some nice features even if we dont have many users of it 19:37:30 <tmb> yep, with full separation between the chroots 19:37:35 <MrsB> i see, thanks 19:38:03 <MrsB> so, apart from the kernels we have some 'easy bugs' at the moment too 19:38:04 <tmb> and it even supports urpmi calls to install the chroots with the util-vserver tools :) 19:38:27 <MrsB> maybe worth experimenting with tmb :) 19:38:39 <tmb> yep 19:39:06 <MrsB> Is anybody going to take advantage of the 'easy bugs' while we have them? 19:39:15 <MrsB> did you see my emails btw? 19:39:22 <MrsB> easy bugs ones 19:39:25 <wilcal> Work'n on'em as best I can 19:39:29 <spiky001> I did 19:39:46 <wilcal> i think the gscan2pdf thing is good to go 19:40:12 <MrsB> if you think it's ready, you just have to follow the process and when it's ready validate it 19:40:33 <MrsB> please do have a go at them 19:40:57 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Did you mean the 'Two easy bugs' msg? 19:40:59 <wilcal> Soon as I get a respone to my one comment I will do 19:40:59 <wilcal> Learn'n a lot there 19:41:04 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates as a reminder 19:41:13 <DavidWHodgins> Before adding the validated update keywork, check to see if a comment is there, indicating the advisory has been uploaded. 19:41:32 <MrsB> lewis yeah, theres some easy ones to have a go at which will help you to get used to the validation process 19:41:45 <DavidWHodgins> If not, just put ready to be validated in the comment. 19:42:54 <MrsB> i'll keep email any easy bugs we gte as they're a great way to get started. The validation process makes alot more sense when actually doing it than when just reading it on the wiki. 19:43:10 * MrsB typos 19:43:24 <MrsB> anybody have anything to ask while we're all here? 19:44:21 <led43_mag1> not here 19:44:41 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:44:50 <MrsB> thanks guys, keep up the good work on those 19:45:09 <MrsB> Luigi12: ping? 19:45:35 * MrsB haven't seen him on irc today 19:45:41 <lewyssmith> 10402: it does not seem that anyone has tried this on 64-bit 19:45:41 <lewyssmith> So it cannot be OK'd 19:46:35 <MrsB> well, remember when you've tested something to add the appropriate whiteboard tag 19:46:58 <lewyssmith> Can you put MGA3-32-OK directly in the whiteboard field? 19:47:10 <MrsB> it's all in the validation process. It helps to have it open as you test something and be able to follow it as a step-by-step guide 19:47:23 <MrsB> yes you can, that's the idea :) 19:47:50 <wilcal> My test scan has bold characters and they come through just fine 19:48:58 <MrsB> if it's working then you need to add the appropriate whiteboard tag, when they're all doen then it can be validated 19:49:04 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I have no trouble with the test validation procedure; just odd details 1st time round 19:49:11 <lewyssmith> I *do* keep it open when doing things 19:49:16 <MrsB> yeah, it's confusing to start with 19:49:46 <wilcal> I like to repeat the not working thing first 19:50:01 <wilcal> anyway it's Luigi's turn 19:50:02 <MrsB> it'll make sense though if you follow it right through. If there is anything that baffles you you only need to ask. Always ask. 19:50:12 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Try italics with GOCR! 19:50:24 <wilcal> Will do thanks lew 19:50:46 <MrsB> remember, we're not testing to see how good gocr is, we're testing to see that our packages gocr does what it should be doing. 19:50:58 <lewyssmith> Tesseract is great, whcih is why it was important that it should be 'seen' 19:51:01 <wilcal> basically install and launch 19:51:17 <MrsB> or gscan2pdf rather 19:51:36 <MrsB> with that one it's described what you need to check 19:52:26 <lewyssmith> I can only do 320bit 19:52:26 <lewyssmith> 32 19:52:29 <MrsB> Anyway, I think the roundup is essentially just php-radius at the moment. 19:52:31 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: The core release version runs, but won't scan png, tiff, etc. The test is to ensure it will read the various image formats. 19:52:43 <DavidWHodgins> Which I'm working on. 19:52:51 <MrsB> #info php-radius still needs testing. Dave's on the case. 19:52:58 <wilcal> Gotta fire up the HP all-in-one again 19:53:10 <DavidWHodgins> Have a kerberos server set up, samba server, currently working on configuring the freeradius server. 19:53:26 <MrsB> maybe try the build tests on it Dave, should be sufficient if they pass 19:53:57 <MrsB> i thought David had rebuilt it with the tests but guess not 19:54:27 <Luigi12> oh whoops, meeting 19:54:36 <MrsB> yay \o/ 19:54:46 <wilcal> Hi ya Luigi 19:54:54 <MrsB> saved us from a 2nd rate MrsB's Roundup 19:55:04 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:56:36 <wilcal> I see the Mageia App Db page just got updated with a bunch of Kernel stuff 19:57:08 <MrsB> it updates automatically wilcal. It always shows bugs assigned to us which are waiting to be validated 19:57:48 <lewyssmith> Silence is golden; are we done? 19:58:10 <MrsB> Luigi12: Anything for the roundup? 19:59:11 <MrsB> he's gone again :D 19:59:23 <Luigi12> sorry, was reading up 19:59:30 <MrsB> it's ok 19:59:48 <wilcal> So update to the test kernel and reboot. A succesful reboot means it works 20:00:08 <Luigi12> yep, looks like just opera and kernels and php-radius at the moment, kernels sound important, the others not so critical probably 20:00:12 <Luigi12> lemme check the pipeline 20:00:16 <MrsB> make sure any dkms drivers build ok, test your hardware works ok. 20:00:24 <MrsB> oh opera too yeah 20:00:40 <wilcal> works or broke, that's sounds like an easy one :-)) 20:00:44 <MrsB> #info opera was built today too, usualy high priority 20:01:18 <MrsB> yeah don't be scared of testing the kernels. If it doesn't work you just choose your old one next boot. 20:01:20 <Luigi12> nodejs for Mageia 2 is pushed to QA, so that isn't marked as security, but it will close a security bug in Mageia 2 20:01:37 <Luigi12> it will allow us to obsolete the buggy system v8 library in Mageia 2, which has security bugs in it 20:01:41 <wilcal> I just killdisk the HD :-)) 20:01:54 <MrsB> #info nodejs will close a security bug in mga2 aswell as the bugfix 20:02:09 <MrsB> do you want to add it to the advisory Luigi12 or happy to let it slide? 20:02:24 <Luigi12> it's noted in coincoin's comment on the bug 20:02:33 <MrsB> ok, didn't notice sorry 20:02:54 <Luigi12> I still don't know the ETA for the Java 6 update, but there should be one at some point 20:03:06 <Luigi12> this is what happens when Oracle isn't maintaining it anymore and RedHat has to do it 20:03:23 <MrsB> no rush, we're suddenly snowed under again :\ 20:03:30 <wilcal> Oracle owns it that bought it when the bought Sun 20:03:33 <Luigi12> yeah crazy lot of bugfix updates at the moment 20:03:49 <MrsB> #info no eta on java 6 update for mga2 20:03:53 <Luigi12> waiting for a tomcat6 security update to get finished (it's partially done), so that'll be coming at sme point 20:04:07 <lewyssmith> What is Tomcat? 20:04:10 <MrsB> #info tomcat6 sec update coming 20:04:20 <wilcal> Old HTTP server 20:04:24 <Luigi12> ruby security update is waiting for Mageia 2, Mageia 3 update is ready, so that'll hopefully be ready soon 20:04:29 <wilcal> been around a very long time 20:04:43 <MrsB> it's fairly easy to test, it's kind of a web frontend for running java applications 20:04:44 <Luigi12> waiting for guillomovitch to make a security update for GLPI 20:05:13 <MrsB> there are several versions on tomcat we carry though 20:05:50 <MrsB> #info ruby updates are coming and soon glpi 20:06:13 <MrsB> ruby itself is an easy one to test, it's the gems that are a pain 20:06:18 <Luigi12> looks like that's it 20:06:21 <MrsB> speaking of which.. 20:06:48 <MrsB> rubygem-passenger looks broken to me 20:06:56 <Luigi12> yeah I saw that 20:06:57 <MrsB> bug 10497 20:06:58 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10497 major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , rubygem-passenger new security issue CVE-2013-2119, rubygem-passenger-3.0.18-4.mga3.src.rpm 20:07:09 <Luigi12> we were able to issue an update for rubygem-passenger for mga2, but that's a 2.x version 20:07:34 <MrsB> going to assign it back to you I think so it isn't sat with no love 20:07:42 <Luigi12> well assign it to funda if you do 20:07:45 <MrsB> ok np 20:08:12 <Luigi12> but yeah looks like that needs to be done. Hopefully it'll actually get fixed. It really should be dropped in Cauldron IMO. 20:08:39 <MrsB> i'll do that after then 20:08:45 <MrsB> anything else to add? 20:09:10 <wilcal> not from me 20:09:23 <MrsB> oh xdm, you might want to ping sysadmin Luigi12 20:09:41 <Luigi12> indeed 20:10:10 <MrsB> thanks for saving us from a 2nd rate roundup :) 20:10:38 <MrsB> #topic Anything else? 20:10:43 <wilcal> not from me 20:10:49 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:10:52 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:10:56 * MrsB shocked 20:10:59 <lewyssmith> No 20:10:59 <led43_mag1> not here 20:10:59 <wilcal> back to playing with gscan2pdf 20:11:13 <MrsB> are you sure.. last chance..? 20:11:41 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody, please keep on with the updates! Same time next week 20:11:45 <MrsB> #endmeeting