19:03:35 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 19:03:35 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Jun 27 19:03:35 2013 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:35 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:44 <DavidWHodgins> #chair MrsB 19:03:44 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 19:03:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 19:04:12 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa irc meeting before? 19:04:28 <MrsB> back, thanks 19:04:41 <sebsebseb> Everyone is new we have gone back in time in some sort of alternative reality and it's 2011, we are working on Mageia 1, oh wait no Mageia 4, but early etc :d 19:04:57 <MrsB> Is anybody new today? 19:05:01 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:05:09 <MrsB> Kharec maybe ;) 19:05:16 <sebsebseb> MrsB and DavidWHodgins are very new :d 19:05:32 <MrsB> lets crack on then 19:05:45 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates 19:06:00 <MrsB> So, how are you all getting on? 19:06:14 <wilcal> Ype, I'm make'n myself a pest in there :-)) 19:06:34 <Kharec> MrsB: haa :) 19:06:35 <DavidWHodgins> I've only been able to put in a couple of hours a day, for the last few days. Still working on xen. 19:06:57 <wilcal> just updated 19:06:59 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10325 19:07:00 <[mbot> Bug 10325: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , update request : opencpn-3.2.0 --> opencpn-3.2.2, opencpn-3.2.2-1.1 19:07:08 <MrsB> You looked at home with Xen so I didn't like to interfere ;) 19:07:13 <Kharec> no more connection, I'll read logs! good night! 19:07:18 <MrsB> nite Kharec 19:07:33 <MrsB> wilcal you're getting the hang of it now 19:07:47 <wilcal> I've a number of questions concerning the process 19:07:52 <MrsB> fire away 19:08:12 <wilcal> I'm more comfortable when I find problems then when I don't 19:08:22 <wilcal> Like the sphinx thing had a few wrinkles 19:08:33 <wilcal> but we worked them out and pushed it 19:08:44 <MrsB> that's sometimes the way it goes 19:09:05 <wilcal> The opencpn thing went really easy. Too easy??? 19:09:15 <MrsB> no, that's a good thing :) 19:09:27 <MrsB> not alot we can test for that by the looks of it 19:09:40 <wilcal> David your comfortable with doing most of this work in Vbox? 19:10:04 <MrsB> sometimes all we can practically do is test something updates without any errors. You have to balance thorough with practical 19:10:15 <DavidWHodgins> Except for things like kernel updates, xen, etc. Those have to be tested on real hardware. 19:10:23 <wilcal> I'll continue to do my best then 19:10:37 <MrsB> morning alfred_ 19:10:45 <wilcal> I've a Vbox copy of all the M2 M3 releases then just clone them for test 19:10:49 <alfred_> Hi Claire 19:10:58 <MrsB> you shouldn't need to clone them wilcal 19:11:00 <alfred_> Morning QA 19:11:14 <MrsB> if you're concerned about messing it up though just take a snapshot before you start 19:11:25 <wilcal> I feel better clone'n them and keep the known good install safe 19:11:37 <MrsB> that's what snapshots do 19:11:42 <wilcal> I've PLENTY of HD space. Terabytes and terabytes 19:12:02 <wilcal> I've had some snapshots take down the source 19:12:15 <DavidWHodgins> The only problem with snapshots, is that it's quite easy to delete a snapshot, when you were planning on restoring the snapshot. 19:12:19 <wilcal> Anyway it's easy to do one way or another 19:12:44 <MrsB> It's in the File menu of the machine IIRC, it means you can roll it back afterwards to exactly as ti was before. Changes go into a separate file which can either be removed or merged using the tools. 19:12:50 <wilcal> So I will continue to use Vbox for most of the testing 19:13:07 <wilcal> Now I'd like to talk about the wordpress thing 19:13:17 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10596 19:13:18 <[mbot> Bug 10596: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , wordpress new security issues fixed upstream in 3.5.2, wordpress-3.5.1-2.mga3.src.rpm 19:13:25 <MrsB> shoot 19:13:54 <wilcal> I'd like to see the requester post a really really simple way to start the app 19:14:12 <MrsB> it's a webapp, wordpress is really simple actually 19:14:20 <wilcal> being referred to the readme file means I have to start to get into the app and understand it 19:14:41 <MrsB> install, configure a database for it and browse to http://localhost/wordpress to complete th einstallation 19:14:45 <wilcal> A simple explaination of that like open a browser and do this would help 19:14:55 <MrsB> no, i think you've misunderstood 19:15:11 <MrsB> the readme.urpmi is the thing that displays when you install something 19:15:12 <wilcal> Gets me started without having to dig into the doc's 19:15:27 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: The first time qa gets an update for an app, like currently with xen, we do need help from the developers to get it working. In the case of wordpress, we've tested updates for it several times, so the procedure should be in the old bug reports, or the wiki. 19:15:34 <MrsB> you'll find it in /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.urpmi 19:15:54 <wilcal> The opencpn thing was kind that way in that you had to open a term and start it there 19:16:04 <MrsB> when you install it and it displays that info for you though on the command line 19:16:05 <wilcal> I think that should be documented in the bug 19:16:15 <MrsB> or if you install from mcc it opens a window with it in 19:16:30 <wilcal> Anyway really simple help helps a lot 19:16:44 <MrsB> most things we have to work out for ourselves 19:16:49 <MrsB> it's just the way it works 19:16:59 <MrsB> webapps are all quite similar 19:17:20 <MrsB> It helps to keep phpmyadmin installed to use for creating/deleting databases 19:17:56 <MrsB> I could add some info to the Tips N Tricks page about those i suppose 19:18:11 <wilcal> Much appreciated 19:18:30 <MrsB> if you install phpmyadmin you'll find it at http://localhost/phpmyadmin 19:18:35 <MrsB> see the pattern developing? 19:18:54 <wilcal> Yep 19:19:24 <MrsB> you'll soon pick it up, there are a few webapps packaged 19:20:38 <DavidWHodgins> Also, in mageia app db, if you click on the bugzilla link for the wordpress update, it'll show a list of all of the wordpress bugs, including resolved bugs. Look at the oldest one for an update, and it has the test procedure, or links to it. 19:20:40 <wilcal> The x.11 thing went nicely 19:21:02 <wilcal> Updates showed up here today 19:21:03 <MrsB> yes, that's the best advice for any update Dave 19:21:42 <MrsB> It's good to see updates you've tested turn up as actual updates isn't it 19:21:53 <djennings> To find the url for a particular webapp after installing it take a look at /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d and look at its config file 19:22:08 <MrsB> djennings: \o/ 19:22:20 <MrsB> Derek did you see about avahi bugs? 19:22:32 <djennings> Meaning? 19:22:48 <MrsB> I added a comment on one of them 19:23:03 <MrsB> you've assigned 2 bugs to qa for one update 19:23:34 <djennings> I have seen it now 19:23:49 <MrsB> Its best to pick one and add depends/blocks to it and use one for the update 19:24:05 <MrsB> or create a separate bug purely to bring everything together 19:24:06 <djennings> shall do 19:24:09 <MrsB> thanks 19:24:49 <MrsB> spiky001: you've been quiet, how are you getting on? 19:24:59 <MrsB> morning lewyssmith 19:25:14 <lewyssmith> Sorry I am late; light evenings deceive the hour 19:25:21 <MrsB> np 19:25:26 <Luigi12_work> spiky001 did a nice job testing the xml-security-c update 19:25:36 <MrsB> yes he did do 19:25:47 <spiky001> then it had to be done again 19:25:50 <MrsB> lol 19:25:53 <Luigi12_work> yep :o) 19:26:02 <Luigi12_work> happens sometimes unfortunately 19:26:06 <MrsB> how are you finding it so far? 19:26:37 <spiky001> ok sticking with the easier 1,s 19:26:52 <lewyssmith> Claire: thanks for your confirmation about Testing repos, enabling, disabling etc. Clearer at last. 19:27:00 <MrsB> don'y be scared of the difficult looking ones, they're not usually as hard as they appear 19:27:35 <wilcal> Ya I outfoxed the sphinx 19:28:08 <MrsB> Dave's advice ^^ up there about clicking the bugzilla link on the madb page to find previous updates and look how they were done is the best place to start. 19:28:16 <DavidWHodgins> It's testing the packages you've never heard of before, where you learn the most. :-) 19:28:24 <MrsB> yep 19:28:39 <MrsB> lewis, how about you? how are you getting on? 19:28:59 <DavidWHodgins> Like the first time we had an update for kerberos. Quite a learning experience. 19:29:11 <MrsB> yes and puppet 19:29:13 <lewyssmith> Getting the hang of things. As you know, been paddling where I should not 19:29:46 <DavidWHodgins> Bet you won't forget what you learned that way though. :-) 19:29:49 <MrsB> looking at things you think you're not meant to is a great way to learn tho 19:30:49 <MrsB> have you understood the validation process now? 19:31:01 <lewyssmith> No trouble if the test is comprehensible; as noted above, unkown applications etc are onerous. 19:31:04 <DavidWHodgins> The main point here, is not to be afraid to go ahead and try things. If you make mistakes, you'll learn from them. Just make sure your important stuff is well backed up, with a tested recovery procedure. 19:31:23 <lewyssmith> As for the process, it was never in ireslf a problem: just cetrtain details thereof 19:31:42 <MrsB> that's good then, did you see the 'easy bugs' email? 19:32:29 <lewyssmith> Yes. I have just restored Mag3 to an early state to try one of them. 19:32:48 <wilcal> Yep, snagged the opencpn thing this morning 19:32:50 <lewyssmith> Is 'backintime' still extant for Mag3 32 19:33:07 <MrsB> is it grey on the madb page? 19:33:12 <wilcal> There's some problems with backintime i think 19:33:30 <lewyssmith> I seem to recall likewise 19:33:55 <MrsB> if it's grey it means the 'feedback' tag is added to the whiteboard field and we're waiting to hear from the packager 19:33:55 <lewyssmith> So wondered why it remained to test. A Python dependancy or suchlike 19:34:17 <wilcal> Ya it's still got a dependency problem 19:34:55 <lewyssmith> I'll look in the morning 19:35:06 <MrsB> you can ignore any which are grey, when the packager has had an opportuniy to look at it again they'll let us know 19:35:42 <MrsB> let me and dave worry about those 19:35:55 <wilcal> OOoooOOo now I know the grey thingy 19:35:58 <MrsB> we'll remove the feedback tag when they're ready for us to test them again 19:36:18 <MrsB> yep, it says at the bottom of the madb page 19:36:43 <MrsB> might ask Stormi_ if he could move it to the top instead 19:37:45 <lewyssmith> I still think 10157 should be passed. The doubts are about something else I think - same problem in a different library? 19:38:49 <lewyssmith> Does gscan2pdf require a Sane-supported scanner? Mine is *not*! 19:39:34 <lewyssmith> Otherwise it is up my street 19:39:38 <MrsB> i don't know :\ 19:39:46 <MrsB> you can ask though on the bug 19:39:49 <wilcal> I have a Sane supported HP scanner I use all the time 19:39:58 <lewyssmith> MrsB: OK 19:40:50 <MrsB> I'd recommend starting with one of the 'easy bugs' which wilcal didn't snaffle 19:40:58 <DavidWHodgins> I have a canon scanner/printer, that is supported as well. 19:41:46 <lewyssmith> "open an image of a scanned text" seems to avoid the need to scan 19:42:55 <lewyssmith> So I will look at that (10402) 19:43:10 <MrsB> cool :) 19:43:52 <MrsB> is everybody happy for the time being, shall we move on? 19:44:09 <wilcal> I am, will continue to be a pest :-))) 19:44:21 <MrsB> any other questions while we're all here? 19:44:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:44:27 <Luigi12_work> w00t 19:44:58 <MrsB> If you don't already know, Luigi12 is David Walser who builds most of our security updates 19:45:16 <MrsB> you'll see alot of him :) 19:45:38 <wilcal> Yep 19:45:43 <Luigi12_work> yeah even when I'm really busy at work, security updates never stop :O 19:46:00 <MrsB> they seemed to multiply recently 19:46:14 <wilcal> And we test them as best we can 19:46:18 <Luigi12_work> so fail2ban is the only major one assigned to QA at the moment 19:46:46 <Luigi12_work> well, that and the two Java thingies on mga2. Usually testing that those install is sufficient, as you'd generally need to be a Java developer to test their functionality, which isn't expected. 19:47:09 <MrsB> we've not had those before that i remember 19:47:25 <Luigi12_work> for chromium-browser-stable, if the missing duckduckgo isn't a regression from the previous packages in mga3, I think we should validate it. Who knows when dmorgan will have time to look into it. 19:47:35 <Luigi12_work> I'm willing to take a look at it too, but even I won't have time until late July. 19:47:50 <MrsB> yeah, probably right for that. we can create a new bug for it 19:48:02 <Luigi12_work> yep 19:48:32 <MrsB> #info we'll create a new bug for DDG missing from chromium to give dmorgan more time 19:49:30 <MrsB> #info fail2ban is highest priority, the two java ones for mga2 just testing they install/update is probably sufficient 19:49:40 <Luigi12_work> there was a ruby issue with ssl announced today, so that should be heading your way soonish hopefully. 19:49:51 <Luigi12_work> also guillomovitch needs to update glpi again 19:49:53 <MrsB> mga3 i hope 19:50:22 <Luigi12_work> ruby, not any gems, ruby itself. We've updated ruby even on mga2 without issue before. 19:50:30 <MrsB> #info should be a ruby update coming and gpli again 19:50:40 <Luigi12_work> s/gpli/glpi/ 19:50:46 <MrsB> yes true 19:50:57 <MrsB> #undo 19:50:57 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x839c60c> 19:51:05 <MrsB> #info should be a ruby update coming and glpi again 19:51:29 <Luigi12_work> I have a few others still waiting on packagers, probably mentioned them last week (like autotrace, rrdtool, python-pymongo, python-keystoneclient) 19:51:33 <MrsB> #info kernel updates are also coming /o\ 19:51:37 <Luigi12_work> oh yeah 19:51:46 <MrsB> we're getting buried :( 19:51:50 <wilcal> Rock'n n Roll'n 19:52:03 <Luigi12_work> and mediawiki I've mentioned before, but sounds like I'll have to fix some packaging issues myself, so it'll be a few weeks probably 19:52:09 <DavidWHodgins> For otrs, it's easy to test. See bug 7527, comment 7 19:52:10 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7527 major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, otrs new security issue CVE-2012-4600, otrs-3.1.2-2.mga2.src.rpm 19:52:40 <MrsB> do you want to add that to the bug Dave please 19:52:55 <DavidWHodgins> Ok 19:53:08 <MrsB> rindolf thankyou for tomcat 19:53:11 <Luigi12_work> still waiting for coincoin to push nodejs to QA, and I guess that's it 19:53:27 <MrsB> rindolf: you can validate that one now if you like 19:53:31 <AL13N> (xen) 19:53:33 * AL13N hides 19:53:43 <MrsB> daves project 19:54:13 <MrsB> #info nodejs still WIP 19:54:21 <Luigi12_work> yep 19:54:31 <Luigi12_work> now we just need to figure out how to get MDV to hire MrsB 19:54:36 <MrsB> lol 19:54:47 <AL13N> that's actually not a bad idea 19:54:52 <Luigi12_work> seriously 19:54:54 <MrsB> i don't mind who actually, just some income would be nice :) 19:55:15 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me? 19:55:22 <MrsB> yes 19:55:23 <AL13N> MrsB: send resume to MDV and tell them you are willing to be paid to work on mageia QA for MDV 19:55:27 <wilcal> I'm done Luigi 19:55:30 <MrsB> where have these all sprung from? 19:55:44 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: combination of things... 19:56:03 <MrsB> you catching up still? 19:56:04 <Luigi12_work> sometimes they just happen in bunches, which was part of it 19:56:23 <Luigi12_work> another part of it was I talked to dmorgan on IRC and he had a few minutes to work on some that had been waiting on him for months in some cases 19:56:49 <MrsB> could do to find somebody to help you, expand the secteam a bit. Maybe ought to have a blog post for you too ;) 19:56:55 <Luigi12_work> I still haven't had time to catch up really 19:57:26 <Luigi12_work> well more packager support would be nice 19:57:32 <Luigi12_work> and more QA peeps 19:57:39 <MrsB> working on it 19:58:06 <AL13N> Luigi12 and i both came up with the idea that MDV could pay a fulltime QA person 19:58:17 <AL13N> because if they use mageia for their server, they could use it 19:58:21 <wilcal> How's MDV's funding? 19:58:28 <MrsB> lol that'll be the day! 19:58:40 <AL13N> well, they pay oden for security fixes 19:58:51 <AL13N> so now they need to pay someone to validate those 19:58:52 <wilcal> Clearly a case here where the tail is wagging the dog 19:59:15 <sebsebseb> 1 2 3 AL13N :d 19:59:18 <MrsB> i think packagers should have a whip round ;) 19:59:44 <MrsB> anyway, thankyou Luigi12_work 19:59:58 <wilcal> Thks Luigi 20:00:07 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:00:10 <MrsB> let's move on, we're about done i think 20:00:15 <MrsB> oops beaten 20:00:18 <wilcal> Not from me 20:00:19 <sebsebseb> anything else uhmm backports? 20:00:22 <sebsebseb> I hope they open soon :) 20:00:28 <wilcal> Just a question when we're officially done 20:00:46 <MrsB> they will be sebsebseb. No firm date yet, I think sysadminy things are ongoing 20:00:59 <sebsebseb> yep no firm date for Mageia 4 either, only a possible month :d 20:01:11 <Luigi12_work> the gate opened but then sebsebseb came running toward it too quickly and now he is blocking the gate, so no backports can get out 20:01:12 <DavidWHodgins> My understanding is that backports is still on hold, pending the change from svn to git. 20:01:15 <wilcal> That links into my after question 20:01:30 <MrsB> i think that's the plan Dave yeah 20:01:36 <MrsB> boklm: ping? 20:01:51 <Luigi12_work> yeah, strange to still not have a mga4 schedule 20:02:00 <wilcal> Will M4 fall right on top of FOSDEM 2014? 20:02:04 <Luigi12_work> guess it'll be done when it's done 20:02:05 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: council discussed it on Monday it seems Janurary is the release 20:02:13 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: that's what I was happy about when I said I was happy about something to you :d 20:02:24 <Luigi12_work> wow, that early :o( 20:02:24 <wilcal> Before or after FOSDEM that is the question 20:02:29 <sebsebseb> wilcal: seems the goal is to release before FOSDEM :d 20:02:43 <MrsB> well the idea at the moment is to perhaps release just before fosdem next year which will be end of Jan beginning of Feb 20:02:48 <wilcal> That's pretty agressive 20:02:49 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: no need to do unoffical updates for Magiea 2 then or as such :d even though the end of life in November 20:03:07 <Luigi12_work> well then there would be a need 20:03:13 <Luigi12_work> I don't plan to do it anyway 20:03:21 * Luigi12_work pushes everyone toward mga3 20:03:23 <sebsebseb> if you want to support untill Mageia 4's release :d 20:03:26 * Luigi12_work even though he hasn't upgraded yet 20:03:52 <sebsebseb> wilcal: that's about 8 months of developmetn I mean real development :d 20:04:10 <Luigi12_work> not if the freeze is way early like it was for mga3 20:04:25 <rindolf> MrsB: validated - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10200 . 20:04:25 <wilcal> I think we have 6mos at best 20:04:26 <[mbot> Bug 10200: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , tomcat (tomcat7) new security issue CVE-2013-2071, tomcat-7.0.34-4.mga3.src.rpm 20:04:28 <MrsB> it wasn't really early was it, just long 20:04:35 <DavidWHodgins> Freeze would be beginning of November, iirc. 20:04:41 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: goal was to have rather strict release cycle this time to going by council meeting. if a feature isn't ready by the wahtever it was, goes into Mageia 5 and so on 20:04:50 <MrsB> thanks rindolf \o/ 20:04:56 <rindolf> MrsB: you're welcome. 20:04:58 <Luigi12_work> yeah but the bugs are always ready in time 20:05:12 <MrsB> there are two java updates for mga2 if you fancy then? 20:05:31 <MrsB> Shall we end the meeting and go on afterwards? 20:05:37 <Luigi12_work> (axis and jarkarta-commons-httpclient ^^^^) 20:05:44 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: yes so version freeze early etc, I suggest reading the concil meeting log yourself. http://meetbot.mageia.org go to mageia-meeting and yep 20:05:45 <[mbot> [ Index of / ] 20:06:18 <sebsebseb> and full logs link from the one for that etc 20:06:32 * sebsebseb is ready to end meeting 20:06:43 <MrsB> Lets wrap up then. Thankyou all for coming. Well done so far with your testing, please keep it up! Same time next week.. 20:06:50 <MrsB> #endmeeting