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19:04:45 <MrsB> Morning all, welcome to another QA meeting
19:04:56 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:04:56 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
19:05:00 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's New?
19:05:31 <MrsB> Thanks Dave
19:05:38 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
19:05:44 * MrsB doesn't think so
19:05:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic 'Some easy bugs' emails
19:06:25 <MrsB> As you probably saw there was an email with some easy bug on it
19:06:40 <MrsB> these are a great way to get started in QA
19:06:48 <MrsB> It's not all the time we have easy ones
19:06:55 <wilcal> Yep, I'm finally fully installed here so I should be able to help some here
19:07:03 <MrsB> I'd advise anybody starting out to have a go at them while they're there
19:07:28 <wilcal> Put results in the bug white space right?
19:07:40 <MrsB> it doesn't matter if you repeat what somebody else has already done, follow the process through and you'll find it starts to make sense as you actually do it
19:07:56 <MrsB> yep thats right wilcal, I'll find the link
19:08:03 <wilcal> I see there have been no M3 updates in the repo yet right?
19:08:20 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates step by step process to follow
19:08:22 <wilcal> Opps just a few firefox stuff
19:08:48 <wilcal> looks like on the 23rd of Jun
19:08:48 <MrsB> there are quite alot waiting to be pushed now, I've asked sysadmin a few times , will keep asking :)
19:08:54 <wilcal> 23rd of May
19:09:07 <MrsB> morning dvg
19:09:16 <dvg> evening Claire
19:09:17 <DavidWHodgins> There are 21 validated updates waiting to be pushed.
19:09:23 <MrsB> yep
19:09:35 <wilcal> Should we see those by Sat/Sun?
19:09:39 <MrsB> So, please have a go at the easy bugs while we have some
19:09:42 <DavidWHodgins> boklm: I thought you were going to push the validated updates?
19:09:53 <MrsB> he was
19:10:00 <MrsB> must be busy
19:10:26 <MrsB> If you have any questions as you go along, don't hesitate to ask
19:10:39 <MrsB> but take advantage of the easy ones while you can :)
19:10:57 <MrsB> I'll keep sending the easy bugs emails as we get them
19:11:04 <wilcal> Thks
19:11:20 <MrsB> You don't have to restrict yourself to those though
19:11:37 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates the list is always here
19:11:39 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
19:12:02 <MrsB> any questions right now?
19:12:21 <wilcal> not from me
19:12:46 <MrsB> spiky001: you've been doing great, please keep it up!
19:13:00 <spiky001> I,ll try
19:13:07 <MrsB> wrw105: you going to begin again too?
19:13:54 <wrw105> Yep, I just haven't bee pushing the envelope with stuff I don't use often yet.  Time to stretch the wings....
19:14:18 <MrsB> yeah, always have a go and never be afraid to ask for help. I still do.
19:14:43 <MrsB> let's move on then
19:14:45 <DavidWHodgins> #topic The ISO testing wiki page
19:14:49 <MrsB> thanks
19:15:08 <MrsB> If you remember we talked about putting everything to do with iso testing on a wiki page
19:15:30 <MrsB> soemthing to make it easy for anybody new to iso testing to be able to follow
19:15:37 <wilcal> Yep
19:15:41 <wilcal> Post link again
19:15:54 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Pre-release_ISO_testing I made a bare bones page to make a start
19:16:20 <MrsB> If you have any topics that need to be covered or info to add there please do so
19:16:38 <MrsB> There's not alot to see at the moment but if we don't start it we'll never finish it
19:17:08 <MrsB> I thought I'd linked it from the portal but must have forgotten to do it
19:18:04 <MrsB> Anybody can edit the wiki btw
19:18:14 <MrsB> it uses your normal mageia login
19:19:04 <MrsB> It'll help even if it's only titles you'd like to see explained or detailed
19:19:09 <dvg> yes. i'm not daft but still i'm prepared to say that filling in a wiki table is not the easiest task
19:19:33 <MrsB> no, that was never adopted
19:20:02 <MrsB> When the new pages are ready I'll replace the old ones
19:20:03 <DavidWHodgins> dvg: Agreed.  Keep the use of tables in the wiki, to a minimum.
19:20:31 <dvg> so https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Working_on_pre-release_ISOs is not intended for practical usage ?
19:21:00 <MrsB> It's just about putting into writing what we do when we test isos so newcomers can read the wiki page and understand what we do with the pad, bugzilla, qa-discuss etc and how to get isos etc
19:21:13 <dvg> awright
19:21:14 <MrsB> no, it's historic and waiting to be replaced
19:21:21 <dvg> ok ok
19:21:40 <dvg> it was the 3rd link from the URL you just gave :)
19:21:53 <MrsB> I know, it's got some useful tests on there
19:22:17 <MrsB> it was the basis for the etherpad spreadhseet we made, and found unworkable too
19:22:25 <dvg> kay
19:22:33 <wilcal> Is testing a Live-Media without a HD in there somewhere?
19:22:42 <MrsB> nothing is there yet wilcal
19:22:51 <MrsB> those links are just so they don't get lost
19:23:01 <wilcal> ok
19:23:16 <MrsB> I thought I'd removed them from the portal and added this new page but must have forgot to save it
19:23:35 <MrsB> i'll sort it out after the meeting
19:24:07 <MrsB> Can everybody have an input on there though please, even if it's just suggesting some things to cover
19:24:23 <wilcal> Will do, test with the HD turned off
19:24:49 <MrsB> Ok, let's go on then, thanks guys
19:24:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic  New ISOs progress
19:24:57 <MrsB> ahh yes
19:25:14 <MrsB> You're maybe aware that we're in the process of making new isos
19:25:19 <wilcal> Please briefly explain why we're doing this ( again )
19:25:21 <dvg> hmhm
19:25:24 <DavidWHodgins> I've just finished syncing todays iso images.
19:25:26 <MrsB> Well..
19:26:18 <MrsB> the original ones had an error in the media.cfg file in the on disk repository which meant it was actually adding cauldron medias instead of medias for mga3 if online medias are added before installing
19:26:58 <MrsB> The cauldron mirrorlist has been altered to workaround it for now, until we release new ISOs
19:27:34 <MrsB> There's been some issues along the way
19:27:43 <wilcal> So if I installed with the origional ISO's then did a urpmi.removemedia -a then added my own local repo I'd be ok?
19:28:10 <MrsB> It would have only affected you if you added online medias before starting package installation
19:28:19 <wilcal> Ya, there's been some wrinkles
19:28:29 <wilcal> I rarely use online meida
19:28:33 <wilcal> media
19:28:41 <DavidWHodgins> The problem only happened, if you added the online media right after formatting the filesystems.
19:28:53 <wilcal> Oh interesting
19:28:56 <MrsB> it's something not likely to be used this soon after release, useful later on when many packages have changed
19:29:17 <DavidWHodgins> It did not happen, if you waited till the checking for updates, to add the online media, or added the repos after booting into the installed system.
19:29:18 <wilcal> Is the shorewall thing gonna get fixed too
19:29:25 <MrsB> it was only noticed of course after cauldron reopened
19:29:49 <Kharec> hi all
19:29:53 <MrsB> hi Kharec
19:29:53 <Kharec> sorry for the late :/
19:29:57 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That's a separate problem that doesn't affect the isos.
19:30:00 <MrsB> you made it :)
19:30:02 <wilcal> I agree
19:30:41 <sebsebseb> hi
19:30:46 <MrsB> A few of us have been testing them as they've arrived. There are new ones today if you'd like to help
19:30:53 <wilcal> Hi seb
19:30:57 <dvg> syncing now
19:30:57 <sebsebseb> hi wilcal
19:30:59 <MrsB> Dave can maybe explain how afterwards
19:31:29 <DavidWHodgins> So, with today's iso images, we need people testing both with adding online media at the start, and without adding it.
19:31:33 <MrsB> it's basically checking you're getting the correct medias
19:31:44 <wilcal> Ya I've got three "after" issues
19:32:08 <DavidWHodgins> After rebooting, "urpmq --list-url" will show cauldron, if still broken, 3, if ok.
19:32:44 <MrsB> so lets go on for now and after the meeting we can help explain how to go about testing the new builds
19:32:54 <wilcal> is good for me
19:32:56 <DavidWHodgins> I'll post the instructions, which will later go into the errata, to the qa-discuss list.
19:33:08 * sebsebseb was wondering about those ISO's
19:33:16 <sebsebseb> since they hadn't seemed to of been released yet
19:33:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:33:22 <MrsB> WIP sebsebseb
19:33:35 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping?
19:33:54 <DavidWHodgins> Aiming to have iso images tested by this time tomorrow.
19:33:56 <sebsebseb> maybe it will become MrsB 's round up instead :d
19:34:01 <MrsB> #info there is a huge KDE update coming
19:34:10 <wilcal> also for M2?
19:34:17 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: those may be the final Mageia 3.1's I may test those, on netbook
19:34:19 <MrsB> no, just m3
19:34:23 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Don't think so?
19:34:38 <sebsebseb> MrsB: what's the update that is coming for KDE ?
19:34:46 <MrsB> neoclust has been busy building 100's packages today
19:34:49 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: Thanks.
19:34:49 <wilcal> So I can set up a Live-CD with my local repo and try it there
19:35:04 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: well I need to  do a clean install of Mageia 3 really on my netbook anyway so :d
19:35:28 <MrsB> #info it's kde 4.10.4
19:35:28 <DavidWHodgins> Kde update is to 4.10.2
19:35:35 <sebsebseb> oh
19:35:42 <sebsebseb> KDE is getting point releases where as GNOME uhmm
19:36:08 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: 2nd ping :)
19:36:10 <wilcal> bug fixes or enhancements?
19:36:12 <wilcal> or both
19:36:13 <sebsebseb> good though, since probabluy going to hoepfuly have a new user on Mageia 3 soon :d  once meeting him at the LUG etc :)
19:36:19 <sebsebseb> new person to Linux if so
19:36:32 <sebsebseb> and I am thinking KDE would probably be more suitable for this person at first anyway
19:36:33 <dvg> but if we're updating all those kde rpms it's an intermediate full release, not a final fix anymore
19:37:16 <MrsB> I've not heard much about it really, but seen it being built on 'changelog' ML
19:37:41 <dvg> MrsB: but you mean they are for 3.1 final?
19:37:49 <MrsB> no
19:38:07 <dvg> sorry. mut 've misunderstood
19:38:15 <DavidWHodgins> The kde update will not be in the new iso images.
19:38:18 <dvg> s/mut/must
19:38:27 <dvg> clear
19:38:33 <MrsB> the new isos won't be much different apart from the installer fixes and a few new bits like firefox
19:38:35 <wilcal> So that'll be a big update after install
19:38:35 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: yeah the KDE update people have to get it from repo's like security updates I guess?
19:38:48 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: should come along by default from repo's if people  do KDE, I guess
19:38:51 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.
19:39:03 <wilcal> If they do a network install
19:39:10 <MrsB> So looks like Luigi12 isn't here for the roundup
19:39:13 <sebsebseb> MrsB: oh later Firefox going in new ISO's as well ?
19:39:19 <sebsebseb> the security updates ?
19:39:24 <MrsB> yes
19:39:29 <DavidWHodgins> If the enable the online media at the start, or do a network install, they'll get the updates (provided they've been validated/pushed).
19:39:36 <ennael> back
19:39:38 <sebsebseb> ah right yeah I read some where, they would include the latest security updates so far, or something like that
19:39:41 <sebsebseb> hi ennael
19:39:47 <MrsB> wb ennael
19:39:49 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: Yes, new firefox, and urpmi.
19:40:01 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: ok good :)
19:40:01 <MrsB> Lets wrap up the roundup and go to anything else
19:40:14 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:40:27 <sebsebseb> anything else uhmm
19:40:30 <sebsebseb> if I want to start doing updates testing
19:40:33 <sebsebseb> testing :d
19:40:33 <MrsB> Soooo is there anything else?
19:40:35 <sebsebseb> I just enable the repo or what?
19:40:37 <wilcal> Sounds good to me
19:41:04 <MrsB> sebsebseb: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates
19:41:13 <sebsebseb> oh ok :)
19:41:22 <DavidWHodgins> Have to either disable Core Nonfree Release, or enable Core Nonfree Release2, Core Nonfree Updates, and if on 64 bit, the 32 bit nonfree repos too.
19:41:59 <neoclust> sebsebseb: kde update is "going" :)
19:42:00 <wilcal> Hi rin
19:42:07 <rindolf> wilcal: hi.
19:42:14 <sebsebseb> neoclust: yeah ok :), well I would like to see a backport of GNOME 3.8 to Mageia 3 :d
19:42:20 <DavidWHodgins> #info DavidWHodgins will post a message to the qa-discuss list, explaining how to use online media at the start of an install.
19:42:20 <MrsB> Is there anything or shall we finish?
19:42:23 <neoclust> sebsebseb: not my pb :)
19:42:33 <DavidWHodgins> I think that's it.
19:42:38 <wilcal> short deal today waiting for ISO's
19:42:47 <sebsebseb> neoclust: GNOME may become your problem to some extent at least,  since the DE SIG's for Mageia 4 :d
19:43:05 <MrsB> ok, thanks all for being here! Even ennael and neoclust \o/ Same time next week..
19:43:16 <MrsB> #endmeeting