19:01:34 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:01:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu May 16 19:01:34 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:04 <MrsB> Hi all welcome to the last meeting before release of mageia 3 :) 19:02:14 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 19:02:14 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 19:02:15 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 19:02:25 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here tonight? 19:02:30 * MrsB checks the list 19:02:45 <MrsB> don't think so 19:02:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 3 19:02:58 <MrsB> So, the big one.. 19:03:04 <wilcal> Release still set for the 18th? 19:03:04 <Kharec> YES :) 19:03:06 <MrsB> how's it going? 19:03:23 <MrsB> yep, all being well everything is set for the 18th 19:03:32 <wilcal> I'm actually quite comfortable with m3 as it is now 19:03:40 <DavidWHodgins> We may have to release without the nonfree repo fixes again. 19:03:51 <lewyssmith> I reserve my opinion 19:03:52 <MrsB> well tv is working on one of them 19:04:02 <Kharec> I will put m3 at my job! 19:04:03 <wilcal> I've executed four complete installs since yesterday 19:04:03 <Kharec> :) 19:04:10 <wilcal> all successful 19:04:26 <wilcal> two 32-bit two 64-bit 19:04:45 <wilcal> 32&64 classical installer 19:04:47 <MrsB> Any major issues still outstanding apart from the list i emailed to anne this morning 19:04:56 <wilcal> 32&64 bit boot.iso 19:05:08 <DavidWHodgins> You're message covered all of the major ones I'm aware of. 19:05:20 <wilcal> for me I am not seeing any showstoppers 19:05:33 <MrsB> i can't promise they'll all be fixed for release but I think it's important we do release on the date we said we would 19:06:14 <wilcal> I have your list on my desktop 19:06:20 <DavidWHodgins> What about the size of the dual cd? We had reports that k3b was refusing the prior one, which was smaller. 19:06:25 <MrsB> how about upgrades? how are you finding those? 19:06:47 <MrsB> I've a big upgrade running now, it's been going a few hours ;\ 19:06:54 <wilcal> I am very comfortable with the Classical Installer DVD capable of a successful upgrade 19:06:58 <DavidWHodgins> I'm testing a mgaapplet upgrade on real hardware right now. 19:07:12 <wilcal> I am not at all comfortable with what is happening to me using the boot.iso 19:07:22 <wilcal> I think David is having better success there 19:07:22 <lewyssmith> I'm bogged down with installs 19:07:57 <MrsB> mgaonline/mageia-prepare-upgrade seem to work really well, really painless. Can't verify that nonfree is enabled afterwards yet though 19:08:25 <wilcal> I would recommend that you use the Classical Installer to upgrade 19:08:37 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah! My mgaapplet upgrade didn't fail to open the rpm db after the first transaction, and nonfree/tainted are enabled. 19:09:45 <rindolf> Hi all. 19:09:57 <wilcal> Hi rin 19:10:24 <MrsB> #info If you want to check online upgrades out, you have to enable core updates testing and install mgaonline, then leave it enabled and add TEST_DISTRO_UPGRADE=YES into /etc/sysconfig/mgaapplet. If you then reboot or restart the applet it should offer the upgrade. 19:10:50 <DavidWHodgins> After the 5 minute wait. 19:10:54 <wilcal> Since Mandrake 8.1 I've started my upgrades with www.killdisk.com 19:11:35 <MrsB> #info after a 5 minute wait. Also you need to have 'check for new release' ticked in the settings in MCC. 19:11:54 <rindolf> wilcal: killdisk.com? 19:12:05 <wilcal> It's a disk wiper 19:12:13 <rindolf> wilcal: ah. 19:12:17 <rindolf> wilcal: so it's a re-install? 19:12:22 <wilcal> start from a completely blank drive 19:12:22 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I take it you mean you always do clean installs, rather then upgrades 19:12:24 <MrsB> #info it upgrades to cauldron so best not to do your main system yet as it won't automatically move from cauldron to 3 when 3 is released 19:12:30 <wilcal> Yup, works every time 19:12:54 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Since 2009.1, I've been using mgaapplet. 19:13:09 <wilcal> I always do clean installs and have very good backups of critical data 19:13:32 * Led43_Mag1 does upgrades unless system is very flaky from my tinkering 19:13:42 <MrsB> Led43_Mag1 is here \o/ 19:14:00 * rindolf does upgrades too. 19:14:00 <Led43_Mag1> ;) 19:14:07 <MrsB> it's time you updated that mag1 :P 19:14:21 <philippem> I have a mgaonline/mageia-prepare-upgrade running now, all seems ok, waiting fot the final reboot 19:14:32 <Led43_Mag1> this box will be wiped all others upgraded 19:15:23 * Led43_Mag1 this box has a duff install of vmplayer, that i can't be bothered to fix 19:15:24 <MrsB> #info We have one more full day/night of testing before release so please do all you can once next ISOs are here 19:15:40 <DavidWHodgins> When are next isos expected? 19:15:46 <MrsB> the next ones will hopefully be the last 19:15:51 <wilcal> I'll concentrate on the Live-CD/DVD's 19:16:25 <MrsB> no ETA yet Dave. I think they're trying to fix as much as possible first 19:17:00 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I might do the same; no time to download another full DVD 19:17:14 <MrsB> lewyssmith: you don't have to if you use rsync 19:17:22 <MrsB> it only downloads parts which have changed 19:17:45 <lewyssmith> Does it do partial file downloads? 19:17:46 <wilcal> rsync works pretty good only downloading what's changed 19:18:11 <MrsB> yep, it'll recognise what bits are different and only download those bits 19:18:19 <lewyssmith> OK. I'll try it on the 11 May Install DVD 19:18:23 <JC_Stiegler> yes, perfect work 19:18:28 <MrsB> Hi JC_Stiegler 19:18:37 <MrsB> how are you getting on? 19:18:46 <JC_Stiegler> Hi all 19:18:52 <wilcal> bcd.mageia.org been run'n pretty fast for me too 19:18:57 <JC_Stiegler> Well, tanks 19:19:13 <MrsB> any major bugs you'd like to share JC_Stiegler? 19:19:38 <wilcal> I'd like to mention/ask one bug I posted yesterday 19:19:44 <MrsB> go for it 19:19:45 <JC_Stiegler> For me, no bugs on my computer 19:19:51 <wilcal> Fast TSC Calibration Failed error on boot 19:19:51 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10118 19:19:52 <[mbot> Bug 10118: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Fast TSC Calibration Failed error on boot 19:20:03 <wilcal> I donno what's going on there 19:20:12 <MrsB> That is just a warning apparently, it's from the kernel 19:20:31 <wilcal> Just a little ominous for a new user 19:20:40 <MrsB> it's nothing to worry about. Last time i looked there was no way for it to be suppressed 19:20:49 <wilcal> :-( 19:20:57 <wilcal> Thanks 19:21:08 <philippem> I have this warning on all my Apple boxes, even with Fedora 19:21:19 <DavidWHodgins> I think it would require a kernel built with the option disabled. 19:21:20 <MrsB> if Fast TSC fails it falls back to slow tsc or whatever it is 19:21:50 <DavidWHodgins> That would annoy everyone who has hardware where it works. 19:21:52 <wilcal> I don't see it on my i7 SandyBridge machine 19:22:14 <MrsB> it's information rather than error 19:22:54 <MrsB> did you add tmb into CC? 19:24:43 <DavidWHodgins> Partway through uprgrade, I'm seeing segfault every minute in syslog, for crond 19:25:16 <DavidWHodgins> Guess the upgrade should stop crond, but not worth worrying about. 19:25:38 <MrsB> never thought to watch syslog 19:25:45 <MrsB> you're maybe not meant to :P 19:26:14 <DavidWHodgins> I usually have a terminal open with "tail -f /var/log/syslog" running in it. 19:26:41 <treegazer> MtsB: installed by copying the (md5sum checked) iso file to a partition on the hard drive and then booting from a CD with the boot.iso image so I coul do a install from hard drive install. It all went fine 19:26:42 <MrsB> I'm not seeing anything on tty12 19:27:11 <MrsB> great news treegazer :) Did you update the pad? 19:27:43 <MrsB> Ok so lets round this off then 19:27:53 <MrsB> We're well on the way to release now 19:28:03 <wilcal> No showstoppers from QA 19:28:08 <MrsB> hopefully one more day/night to go 19:28:18 <MrsB> last time it was a day & night too :\ 19:28:26 <treegazer> MrsB: yes 19:28:33 <MrsB> Please keep the pad updated with what you're testing 19:28:53 <MrsB> and please do what you can in this final push! 19:29:18 <MrsB> well done everybody so far :) 19:29:36 <wilcal> M3 smoothed out about 60-days ago 19:29:50 <MrsB> llets see what Luigi12_work has for us 19:29:56 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:29:58 <MrsB> thanks 19:30:14 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping? 19:30:57 <MrsB> Updates are a bit stalled at the moment, we can expect a rush though soon after release 19:31:41 <MrsB> firefox and thunderbird can't be pushed until release as they'll need updating in mga3 too 19:31:54 <MrsB> we'll have to get used to testing two releases again 19:32:03 <wilcal> FF still at ver 22 i think 19:32:25 <MrsB> it's 17.0.5 on isos 19:32:34 <MrsB> same as mga2, the ESR version 19:32:41 <wilcal> Option to go to 22, I think 19:32:45 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Don't forget, we stick with the ESR versions 19:32:47 <wilcal> I've been using that one 19:32:51 <wilcal> k 19:33:51 <MrsB> So not much news here really 19:34:00 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 19:34:10 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 19:34:12 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. 19:34:24 <wilcal> I did a big photshoot with my M3 Dell laptop 19:34:28 <wilcal> went really well 19:34:33 <Led43_Mag1> whats the latest on our arm version 19:34:37 <wilcal> Pics and vids of food 19:34:41 <MrsB> ohh lets see wilcal 19:34:48 <wilcal> For signage 19:34:49 <MrsB> ohh not of mga3 then 19:35:00 <MrsB> Led43_Mag1: uncertain 19:35:27 <MrsB> ennael: any news on our arm version? 19:35:42 * Led43_Mag1 still can't afford my rpi, but legal issues slowly moving forward 19:36:26 <MrsB> ennael's not here so can't find out but i'll try to for next time 19:36:42 <MrsB> #action MrsB to find out about our arm build 19:36:56 <wilcal> Works on Raspberry Pi? 19:37:16 <MrsB> no idea :D 19:37:17 <Led43_Mag1> wilcal: thats what we are aiming for 19:37:33 <Led43_Mag1> its actually used on a plug 19:37:34 <DavidWHodgins> What about other arm devices? 19:37:43 <wilcal> Makes for a great network backup server 19:38:05 <Led43_Mag1> .me hopes to replace android on his samsung galaxy note 19:38:21 <MrsB> that's brave 19:38:48 * Led43_Mag1 is paranoid about the amount of info android apps give away 19:39:01 <MrsB> Is there anythign else else? 19:39:18 <wilcal> nut'n here and I'm usually pretty vocal 19:39:31 <MrsB> always look to you wilcal at this point :D 19:39:45 <wilcal> I really like m3 19:39:54 <MrsB> well if there is nothing else let's wrap up.. 19:40:08 <MrsB> Please don't give up yet, one more day of hell to go 19:40:10 <Led43_Mag1> a suggestion, after release we should all try to recruit new volunteers especially for qa 19:40:12 <MrsB> and maybe a night 19:40:20 <MrsB> Yes indeed Led43_Mag1 19:40:33 <MrsB> all teams need more people though 19:40:53 <MrsB> Please keep updating the pad as you test 19:40:55 <wilcal> I see the Marketing and Communication chat is pretty empty 19:41:16 <MrsB> If we manage to release on Saturday, Sunday is a day in bed :) 19:41:22 <wilcal> kool 19:41:33 <MrsB> Monday.. updates! 19:41:37 <rindolf> Hmm.... it takes over 11 minutes to install Mageia Linux 3 from the dual CD on a i586 VM here on my Core Duo laptop. 19:41:42 <wilcal> Updates it is 19:42:11 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Which vm? vbox or qemu 19:42:17 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: VBox. 19:42:18 <wilcal> m3 is definitely faster on the install and boot then in the past 19:42:26 <MrsB> Thankyou all for being here, keep up the good work, you've all done a great job and it's been vital for the future of mageia. 19:42:42 <wilcal> see you all next Thur 19:42:44 <MrsB> Same time next week! 19:42:46 <rindolf> wilcal: bye. 19:42:47 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: For vbox add the divider=10 option (bug 44) 19:42:47 <MrsB> #endmeeting