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19:07:13 <MrsB> Hi guy, wlecome to another QA meeting
19:07:14 <MrsB> s
19:07:23 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:07:23 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
19:07:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
19:07:42 <MrsB> Sorry for starting late, I was finishing dinner
19:07:56 <MrsB> Is there anybody new today?
19:08:27 * MrsB looks down the list
19:08:52 <MrsB> I don't think there is
19:08:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Bugs, bugs, bugs
19:09:11 <MrsB> As we're all old then we know about this already ;)
19:09:19 <wilcal> List seems shorter this week
19:09:36 <MrsB> We're now in release freeze
19:09:42 <wilcal> Kool
19:09:57 <MrsB> it's a stage where packagers concentrate on fixing bugs instead of updating to new versions
19:10:11 <MrsB> another stage, i should say :D
19:10:18 <AL13N> that should be already so in version freeze
19:10:31 <AL13N> packagers should now focus only on critical bugs
19:10:40 <MrsB> and non critical bugs
19:10:45 <AL13N> well "should"
19:10:48 <MrsB> yeah
19:10:53 <wilcal> I've been go'n through the bugs I've reported
19:11:09 <MrsB> #info please ensure you repond to any queries as packagers fix bugs!
19:11:17 <MrsB> s
19:11:25 <MrsB> something wrong with my s today
19:11:47 <MrsB> lets move on then dave please
19:11:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic What to do between ISO releases
19:11:54 <MrsB> thanks :)
19:12:11 <DavidWHodgins> Upgrade testing and updates testing.
19:12:22 <wilcal> David did you see my:
19:12:22 <wilcal> Attempt to upgrade from M2 -> M3B4 ( 28 Mar ) fails
19:12:22 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9653
19:12:23 <[mbot> Bug 9653: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Attempt to upgrade from M2 -> M3B4 ( 28 Mar ) fails
19:12:28 <MrsB> Between releases we've found people tend to drift away
19:12:35 <MrsB> there is plenty to do though!
19:12:42 <MrsB> Yep, upgrade testing
19:13:03 <MrsB> but also, our day to day task is in validating updates for stable releases
19:13:08 <wilcal> I'm gonna continue to do every week and upgrade test
19:13:25 <MrsB> Does anybody not know how to validate updates?
19:13:28 <wilcal> Next Tues it will be M2 to Cauldron
19:14:08 <rindolf> Hi all.
19:14:16 <MrsB> morning rindolf
19:14:45 <MrsB> so everybody knows what they are doing with updates for mga2 at the moment?
19:15:14 * MrsB nods off
19:15:17 <wilcal> Is a capture of the /root/drakx directory a good thing
19:15:35 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Depends on the bug being reported.
19:15:38 <MrsB> if there isa problem with upgrade it's where the logs will be wilcal
19:15:56 <wilcal> So I'll keep doing that until release
19:16:07 <wilcal> It takes hours even with my local repo
19:16:33 <MrsB> so nobody interested in updates :(
19:16:45 <wilcal> I do best I can where i can
19:17:09 <MrsB> package updates i mean, rather than release upgrades
19:17:32 <DavidWHodgins> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:17:34 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
19:17:41 <MrsB> every update is tested by us
19:18:05 <Tonyb> need to get more involved in this
19:18:16 <MrsB> Yes please :)
19:18:35 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates
19:18:47 <MrsB> there is a simple step by step procedure for validating
19:18:58 <MrsB> it explains how to use bugzilla etc
19:19:07 <MrsB> the actual testing we have to work out for ourselves
19:19:16 <MrsB> there are some tips and tricks which help
19:19:19 <Tonyb> saved it
19:19:31 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Tips_and_Tricks
19:19:33 <MrsB> some here
19:20:22 <MrsB> the best way to find testing ideas is to click the Bugzilla link on the madb page or the Wiki link which searches bugzilla for previous updates or looks on the wiki in our procedures we've created
19:20:25 <Tonyb> thanks
19:20:43 <MrsB> the most important thign is not to be intimidated
19:20:53 <MrsB> and always ask for help or guidance if you need some
19:21:14 <DavidWHodgins> Testing packages you've never heard of before, is interesting. :-)
19:21:50 <MrsB> either myself or Dave can mentor you on IRC too as you go through your first few
19:22:21 <MrsB> have a go though and see how you get on, don't be intimidated by it
19:22:31 <MrsB> yeah, i tested one earlier i'd never heard of MongoDB :D
19:22:52 <MrsB> you can usually find tutorials for things with a google
19:23:15 <MrsB> anybody else?
19:23:26 <wilcal> I've an example of one I'm tinkering with
19:23:52 <wilcal> I've been tinkering with a package called Rosegarden:
19:23:53 <wilcal> rosegarden-12.04-4.mga3.i586.rpm in M3B4 core repo
19:23:53 <wilcal> It's a big midi sequencer and I have very little knowledge of it.
19:23:53 <wilcal> But from what I have found it is the most popular Midi sequencer
19:23:53 <wilcal> out there certainly on Linux. But try as I may I can't get it
19:23:53 <wilcal> to make sound. The program seems to work but there seems to be
19:23:55 <wilcal> a disconnect between it and Jack or something. Seems there's
19:23:57 <wilcal> problem around Kernel 2.4 and newer. Anyway I'm probably gonna
19:24:01 <wilcal> raise a Bug about it but I'm see'n the same problem in Ubuntu
19:24:03 <wilcal> and Mint. My real question here is Mageia certainly has a
19:24:05 <wilcal> package maintainer on this thing right? It's don't work and
19:24:08 <wilcal> it probably is not our fault and has been broken for awhile.
19:24:19 <Luigi12_work> :maint -s rosegarden
19:24:20 <Sophie> Luigi12_work: For Mageia (rosegarden): shikamaru
19:24:28 <MrsB> hmm
19:24:48 <Luigi12_work> he also maintains ruby stuff but hasn't been extraordinarily active lately
19:24:48 <MrsB> shikamaru is largely absent
19:25:12 <MrsB> the updates we test though are on stable releases rather than cauldron
19:25:33 <wilcal> I'm pretty sure it's broken so I'll open the bug
19:25:45 <MrsB> so mga2 at the moment, pretty soon we'll have to to test for again which can mean alot of work if there are only a 2 or 3 of us
19:25:53 <MrsB> two*
19:26:04 <wilcal> The rosegarden thing dont work on M2 either
19:26:21 <MrsB> ok file a bug
19:26:34 <MrsB> when tit gets updated then we get to validate it
19:26:39 <MrsB> oops it*
19:26:46 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:26:50 <MrsB> :\
19:27:26 <MrsB> ok lets move on, but please take part in this side of QA. It's really important.
19:28:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:28:06 <MrsB> beat me to it
19:28:12 <Luigi12_work> boo
19:28:17 <MrsB> OooOooOoo
19:28:33 <MrsB> If you don't know already, Luigi12 builds most of our security updates
19:28:43 <wilcal> Hi ya Luigi
19:28:51 <MrsB> aka David Walser
19:28:52 <Luigi12_work> yo :D
19:29:27 <wilcal> I heard tell of a problem with Apache
19:30:19 <Luigi12_work> ok, so mongodb is a critical one, remotely exploitable vulnerability
19:30:26 <Luigi12_work> plus it punches out horses
19:30:31 <Luigi12_work> so that one's the most important
19:30:41 <MrsB> half done
19:30:48 <Luigi12_work> Also, it'd be nice to get bugzilla pushed ASAP since it was already pushed in MBS
19:30:54 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do the other half right after the meeting.
19:31:01 <MrsB> bugzilla also half done
19:31:15 <Luigi12_work> nice
19:31:30 <MrsB> we still have stagnant ruby packages
19:31:33 <Luigi12_work> guess Yahoo! is blocking all of my bugzilla mails today :o(
19:31:46 <Luigi12_work> yeah the ruby stuff is just gonna rot again
19:31:58 <Luigi12_work> it can rot in ...hello everybody!  :D
19:32:02 <Luigi12_work> anyway
19:32:08 <MrsB> I can't work out how to use it, it isn't as it's supposed to be. No modules load
19:32:10 <Luigi12_work> I'll have a subversion update coming once it gets pushed in Cauldron
19:32:26 <Luigi12_work> also waiting on coincoin to update roundcubemail for mga2
19:32:46 <MrsB> #info subversion and roundcubemail coming soon for mga2
19:32:49 <Luigi12_work> ennael was looking into the corosync update, but it might take some time as a few different pieces need backported
19:33:01 <MrsB> #info corosync to follow
19:33:57 <MrsB> any ideas how our ruby packages work, they show as gems but can't be used
19:34:45 <Luigi12_work> well ruby works fine, but all the gems stuff I have no idea
19:34:54 <Luigi12_work> hopefully it's functional in mga3
19:35:04 <MrsB> they seem to search the wrong paths
19:35:19 <Luigi12_work> yeah a ton of work has been done between mga2 and mga3 on those packages
19:35:20 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9227#c5
19:35:21 <[mbot> Bug 9227: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , ruby-ruby_parser new security issue CVE-2013-0162, ruby-ruby_parser-2.0.6-1.mga1.src.rpm
19:35:25 <Luigi12_work> they might be  totally broken in mga2
19:35:31 <MrsB> looks that way :\
19:35:42 <Luigi12_work> our ruby gems are off the rails
19:35:55 <MrsB> I'd assign them back to A.Maintainer but there isn't really on atm
19:36:03 <MrsB> one*
19:36:49 <MrsB> alrighty then, anything else Luigi12_work?
19:36:59 <MrsB> apart from sssd
19:37:24 <Luigi12_work> nope
19:37:34 <MrsB> thanks for that then
19:37:37 <DavidWHodgins> For sssd, Luigi12_work, let's try the new version.  Don't know if the problems I've had with it are my fault, or a bad package.
19:37:49 <Luigi12_work> ok
19:38:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:38:26 <wilcal> I took my Dell 64-bit M3B4 laptop into the field on Tues
19:38:26 <wilcal> and shot hundreds of photos and transferred, and reviewed,
19:38:26 <wilcal> them. The M3B4 system was rock solid and never missed a beat.
19:38:26 <wilcal> Pretty impressive.
19:38:36 <MrsB> :D
19:38:51 <MrsB> It's good to know
19:39:08 <MrsB> Anybody have anything else?
19:39:19 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Where is the gpg key 0xEDCA7A90?  Need the public key to validate the iso sigs.
19:39:21 <wilcal> Next M2 -> Cauldron upgrade test for me will be Tue
19:39:53 <MrsB> that leaves loads of time for validating updates on mga2 wilcal :)
19:39:57 <wilcal> Likely errors and that will go into a new bug /root/drakx
19:40:04 <Luigi12_work> chromium-browser-stable needs another update, but no idea when that's coming
19:40:18 <Luigi12_work> maybe November
19:40:20 <Luigi12_work> <g>
19:40:32 <MrsB> #info chromium needs another update..
19:40:46 <dvg> under 'anything else': when we are doing prerelease iso testing, I'd like to ask where is it most important to report to: Bugzilla, ML, parinux pad or mail release manager?
19:40:59 <MrsB> did you play with TBWNWMNM dave?
19:41:05 <wilcal> I find myself going back and forth between firefox and chromium based on site content
19:41:25 <MrsB> dvg: bugzilla, pad and release manager for release blockers
19:41:41 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Not yet.  later today.
19:41:41 <MrsB> otherwise bugzilla & pad for non blockers
19:42:07 <dvg> okay. but could we all be a little more faithful in writing stuff on the pad?
19:42:12 <MrsB> the pad is just for us and release manager to keep track
19:42:35 <dvg> yes but if i dont see what others do, im a little lost
19:42:51 <MrsB> bugzilla is how things get fixed but if it's a blocker then release managers need to chase it along and decide if it'll block the current release
19:43:11 <dvg> plus i'd like to know who is supposed to clean the pad and iunsert new data/archive old?
19:43:19 <MrsB> anne/thomas
19:44:00 <MrsB> There were a number of testers at the start but for live isos there dodn't seem to be so many
19:44:05 <MrsB> didn't*
19:44:10 <MrsB> typo night!
19:44:26 <dvg> yeahm but i had the impressionthere was more tetsing than shown on the pad....
19:44:46 <wilcal> I went through all the Live stuff and noted it on pad
19:44:47 <DavidWHodgins> True.  I'm not very good at keeping the pad updated.
19:44:54 <MrsB> I'll add some extra info in the emails next time then, thanks for bringing it up
19:45:03 <dvg> yw
19:45:09 <wilcal> When things go well people don't do anything
19:45:18 <MrsB> if we don't know who is testing what we can't be sure everything gets tested so it's important to know
19:45:48 <MrsB> #info when iso testing please be sure to keep the pad updated with what you are testing and any bugs you find
19:46:10 <MrsB> #info if we don't know what has been tested it can lead to delays
19:46:20 <MrsB> and frustration :)
19:46:32 <dvg> :))
19:46:42 <MrsB> does that answer your question dvg?
19:47:03 <dvg> yup. for sure
19:47:03 <wilcal> Looks like
19:47:03 <wilcal> No X with last x11-driver-video-sis and x11-server-1.13
19:47:03 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7521
19:47:03 <wilcal> Is gonna get solved
19:47:05 <[mbot> Bug 7521: critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, REOPENED , No X with last x11-driver-video-sis and x11-server-1.13, x11-driver-video-sis-0.10.7-5.mga3  x11-server-1.13.2-2.mga3
19:47:10 <MrsB> good, thanks :)
19:47:31 <wilcal> I've got an old box here to test it on
19:47:35 <MrsB> hopefully all the release blockers will be solved
19:47:46 <MrsB> ahh great wilcal
19:47:53 <MrsB> please help out on that one then
19:48:15 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? or shall we call it a night?
19:48:29 <DavidWHodgins> I think that's it.
19:48:33 <MrsB> or an end to the morning.. always morning ;)
19:48:51 <wilcal> That's it from me
19:49:02 <MrsB> thankyou all for coming, nice to see so many people here!
19:49:04 <DavidWHodgins> It's always morning at start of qa meetings, and night by time they end. :-)
19:49:15 <MrsB> thanks dave for your help and Luigi12_work too
19:49:24 <MrsB> same time next week
19:49:29 <MrsB> #endmeeting