19:06:59 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:06:59 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Apr 11 19:06:59 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:59 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:07:13 <MrsB> Hi guy, wlecome to another QA meeting 19:07:14 <MrsB> s 19:07:23 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 19:07:23 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 19:07:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 19:07:42 <MrsB> Sorry for starting late, I was finishing dinner 19:07:56 <MrsB> Is there anybody new today? 19:08:27 * MrsB looks down the list 19:08:52 <MrsB> I don't think there is 19:08:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Bugs, bugs, bugs 19:09:11 <MrsB> As we're all old then we know about this already ;) 19:09:19 <wilcal> List seems shorter this week 19:09:36 <MrsB> We're now in release freeze 19:09:42 <wilcal> Kool 19:09:57 <MrsB> it's a stage where packagers concentrate on fixing bugs instead of updating to new versions 19:10:11 <MrsB> another stage, i should say :D 19:10:18 <AL13N> that should be already so in version freeze 19:10:31 <AL13N> packagers should now focus only on critical bugs 19:10:40 <MrsB> and non critical bugs 19:10:45 <AL13N> well "should" 19:10:48 <MrsB> yeah 19:10:53 <wilcal> I've been go'n through the bugs I've reported 19:11:09 <MrsB> #info please ensure you repond to any queries as packagers fix bugs! 19:11:17 <MrsB> s 19:11:25 <MrsB> something wrong with my s today 19:11:47 <MrsB> lets move on then dave please 19:11:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic What to do between ISO releases 19:11:54 <MrsB> thanks :) 19:12:11 <DavidWHodgins> Upgrade testing and updates testing. 19:12:22 <wilcal> David did you see my: 19:12:22 <wilcal> Attempt to upgrade from M2 -> M3B4 ( 28 Mar ) fails 19:12:22 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9653 19:12:23 <[mbot> Bug 9653: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Attempt to upgrade from M2 -> M3B4 ( 28 Mar ) fails 19:12:28 <MrsB> Between releases we've found people tend to drift away 19:12:35 <MrsB> there is plenty to do though! 19:12:42 <MrsB> Yep, upgrade testing 19:13:03 <MrsB> but also, our day to day task is in validating updates for stable releases 19:13:08 <wilcal> I'm gonna continue to do every week and upgrade test 19:13:25 <MrsB> Does anybody not know how to validate updates? 19:13:28 <wilcal> Next Tues it will be M2 to Cauldron 19:14:08 <rindolf> Hi all. 19:14:16 <MrsB> morning rindolf 19:14:45 <MrsB> so everybody knows what they are doing with updates for mga2 at the moment? 19:15:14 * MrsB nods off 19:15:17 <wilcal> Is a capture of the /root/drakx directory a good thing 19:15:35 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Depends on the bug being reported. 19:15:38 <MrsB> if there isa problem with upgrade it's where the logs will be wilcal 19:15:56 <wilcal> So I'll keep doing that until release 19:16:07 <wilcal> It takes hours even with my local repo 19:16:33 <MrsB> so nobody interested in updates :( 19:16:45 <wilcal> I do best I can where i can 19:17:09 <MrsB> package updates i mean, rather than release upgrades 19:17:32 <DavidWHodgins> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 19:17:34 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 19:17:41 <MrsB> every update is tested by us 19:18:05 <Tonyb> need to get more involved in this 19:18:16 <MrsB> Yes please :) 19:18:35 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates 19:18:47 <MrsB> there is a simple step by step procedure for validating 19:18:58 <MrsB> it explains how to use bugzilla etc 19:19:07 <MrsB> the actual testing we have to work out for ourselves 19:19:16 <MrsB> there are some tips and tricks which help 19:19:19 <Tonyb> saved it 19:19:31 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Tips_and_Tricks 19:19:33 <MrsB> some here 19:20:22 <MrsB> the best way to find testing ideas is to click the Bugzilla link on the madb page or the Wiki link which searches bugzilla for previous updates or looks on the wiki in our procedures we've created 19:20:25 <Tonyb> thanks 19:20:43 <MrsB> the most important thign is not to be intimidated 19:20:53 <MrsB> and always ask for help or guidance if you need some 19:21:14 <DavidWHodgins> Testing packages you've never heard of before, is interesting. :-) 19:21:50 <MrsB> either myself or Dave can mentor you on IRC too as you go through your first few 19:22:21 <MrsB> have a go though and see how you get on, don't be intimidated by it 19:22:31 <MrsB> yeah, i tested one earlier i'd never heard of MongoDB :D 19:22:52 <MrsB> you can usually find tutorials for things with a google 19:23:15 <MrsB> anybody else? 19:23:26 <wilcal> I've an example of one I'm tinkering with 19:23:52 <wilcal> I've been tinkering with a package called Rosegarden: 19:23:53 <wilcal> rosegarden-12.04-4.mga3.i586.rpm in M3B4 core repo 19:23:53 <wilcal> It's a big midi sequencer and I have very little knowledge of it. 19:23:53 <wilcal> But from what I have found it is the most popular Midi sequencer 19:23:53 <wilcal> out there certainly on Linux. But try as I may I can't get it 19:23:53 <wilcal> to make sound. The program seems to work but there seems to be 19:23:55 <wilcal> a disconnect between it and Jack or something. Seems there's 19:23:57 <wilcal> problem around Kernel 2.4 and newer. Anyway I'm probably gonna 19:24:01 <wilcal> raise a Bug about it but I'm see'n the same problem in Ubuntu 19:24:03 <wilcal> and Mint. My real question here is Mageia certainly has a 19:24:05 <wilcal> package maintainer on this thing right? It's don't work and 19:24:08 <wilcal> it probably is not our fault and has been broken for awhile. 19:24:19 <Luigi12_work> :maint -s rosegarden 19:24:20 <Sophie> Luigi12_work: For Mageia (rosegarden): shikamaru 19:24:28 <MrsB> hmm 19:24:48 <Luigi12_work> he also maintains ruby stuff but hasn't been extraordinarily active lately 19:24:48 <MrsB> shikamaru is largely absent 19:25:12 <MrsB> the updates we test though are on stable releases rather than cauldron 19:25:33 <wilcal> I'm pretty sure it's broken so I'll open the bug 19:25:45 <MrsB> so mga2 at the moment, pretty soon we'll have to to test for again which can mean alot of work if there are only a 2 or 3 of us 19:25:53 <MrsB> two* 19:26:04 <wilcal> The rosegarden thing dont work on M2 either 19:26:21 <MrsB> ok file a bug 19:26:34 <MrsB> when tit gets updated then we get to validate it 19:26:39 <MrsB> oops it* 19:26:46 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:26:50 <MrsB> :\ 19:27:26 <MrsB> ok lets move on, but please take part in this side of QA. It's really important. 19:28:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:28:06 <MrsB> beat me to it 19:28:12 <Luigi12_work> boo 19:28:17 <MrsB> OooOooOoo 19:28:33 <MrsB> If you don't know already, Luigi12 builds most of our security updates 19:28:43 <wilcal> Hi ya Luigi 19:28:51 <MrsB> aka David Walser 19:28:52 <Luigi12_work> yo :D 19:29:27 <wilcal> I heard tell of a problem with Apache 19:30:19 <Luigi12_work> ok, so mongodb is a critical one, remotely exploitable vulnerability 19:30:26 <Luigi12_work> plus it punches out horses 19:30:31 <Luigi12_work> so that one's the most important 19:30:41 <MrsB> half done 19:30:48 <Luigi12_work> Also, it'd be nice to get bugzilla pushed ASAP since it was already pushed in MBS 19:30:54 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do the other half right after the meeting. 19:31:01 <MrsB> bugzilla also half done 19:31:15 <Luigi12_work> nice 19:31:30 <MrsB> we still have stagnant ruby packages 19:31:33 <Luigi12_work> guess Yahoo! is blocking all of my bugzilla mails today :o( 19:31:46 <Luigi12_work> yeah the ruby stuff is just gonna rot again 19:31:58 <Luigi12_work> it can rot in ...hello everybody! :D 19:32:02 <Luigi12_work> anyway 19:32:08 <MrsB> I can't work out how to use it, it isn't as it's supposed to be. No modules load 19:32:10 <Luigi12_work> I'll have a subversion update coming once it gets pushed in Cauldron 19:32:26 <Luigi12_work> also waiting on coincoin to update roundcubemail for mga2 19:32:46 <MrsB> #info subversion and roundcubemail coming soon for mga2 19:32:49 <Luigi12_work> ennael was looking into the corosync update, but it might take some time as a few different pieces need backported 19:33:01 <MrsB> #info corosync to follow 19:33:57 <MrsB> any ideas how our ruby packages work, they show as gems but can't be used 19:34:45 <Luigi12_work> well ruby works fine, but all the gems stuff I have no idea 19:34:54 <Luigi12_work> hopefully it's functional in mga3 19:35:04 <MrsB> they seem to search the wrong paths 19:35:19 <Luigi12_work> yeah a ton of work has been done between mga2 and mga3 on those packages 19:35:20 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9227#c5 19:35:21 <[mbot> Bug 9227: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , ruby-ruby_parser new security issue CVE-2013-0162, ruby-ruby_parser-2.0.6-1.mga1.src.rpm 19:35:25 <Luigi12_work> they might be totally broken in mga2 19:35:31 <MrsB> looks that way :\ 19:35:42 <Luigi12_work> our ruby gems are off the rails 19:35:55 <MrsB> I'd assign them back to A.Maintainer but there isn't really on atm 19:36:03 <MrsB> one* 19:36:49 <MrsB> alrighty then, anything else Luigi12_work? 19:36:59 <MrsB> apart from sssd 19:37:24 <Luigi12_work> nope 19:37:34 <MrsB> thanks for that then 19:37:37 <DavidWHodgins> For sssd, Luigi12_work, let's try the new version. Don't know if the problems I've had with it are my fault, or a bad package. 19:37:49 <Luigi12_work> ok 19:38:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 19:38:26 <wilcal> I took my Dell 64-bit M3B4 laptop into the field on Tues 19:38:26 <wilcal> and shot hundreds of photos and transferred, and reviewed, 19:38:26 <wilcal> them. The M3B4 system was rock solid and never missed a beat. 19:38:26 <wilcal> Pretty impressive. 19:38:36 <MrsB> :D 19:38:51 <MrsB> It's good to know 19:39:08 <MrsB> Anybody have anything else? 19:39:19 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Where is the gpg key 0xEDCA7A90? Need the public key to validate the iso sigs. 19:39:21 <wilcal> Next M2 -> Cauldron upgrade test for me will be Tue 19:39:53 <MrsB> that leaves loads of time for validating updates on mga2 wilcal :) 19:39:57 <wilcal> Likely errors and that will go into a new bug /root/drakx 19:40:04 <Luigi12_work> chromium-browser-stable needs another update, but no idea when that's coming 19:40:18 <Luigi12_work> maybe November 19:40:20 <Luigi12_work> <g> 19:40:32 <MrsB> #info chromium needs another update.. 19:40:46 <dvg> under 'anything else': when we are doing prerelease iso testing, I'd like to ask where is it most important to report to: Bugzilla, ML, parinux pad or mail release manager? 19:40:59 <MrsB> did you play with TBWNWMNM dave? 19:41:05 <wilcal> I find myself going back and forth between firefox and chromium based on site content 19:41:25 <MrsB> dvg: bugzilla, pad and release manager for release blockers 19:41:41 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Not yet. later today. 19:41:41 <MrsB> otherwise bugzilla & pad for non blockers 19:42:07 <dvg> okay. but could we all be a little more faithful in writing stuff on the pad? 19:42:12 <MrsB> the pad is just for us and release manager to keep track 19:42:35 <dvg> yes but if i dont see what others do, im a little lost 19:42:51 <MrsB> bugzilla is how things get fixed but if it's a blocker then release managers need to chase it along and decide if it'll block the current release 19:43:11 <dvg> plus i'd like to know who is supposed to clean the pad and iunsert new data/archive old? 19:43:19 <MrsB> anne/thomas 19:44:00 <MrsB> There were a number of testers at the start but for live isos there dodn't seem to be so many 19:44:05 <MrsB> didn't* 19:44:10 <MrsB> typo night! 19:44:26 <dvg> yeahm but i had the impressionthere was more tetsing than shown on the pad.... 19:44:46 <wilcal> I went through all the Live stuff and noted it on pad 19:44:47 <DavidWHodgins> True. I'm not very good at keeping the pad updated. 19:44:54 <MrsB> I'll add some extra info in the emails next time then, thanks for bringing it up 19:45:03 <dvg> yw 19:45:09 <wilcal> When things go well people don't do anything 19:45:18 <MrsB> if we don't know who is testing what we can't be sure everything gets tested so it's important to know 19:45:48 <MrsB> #info when iso testing please be sure to keep the pad updated with what you are testing and any bugs you find 19:46:10 <MrsB> #info if we don't know what has been tested it can lead to delays 19:46:20 <MrsB> and frustration :) 19:46:32 <dvg> :)) 19:46:42 <MrsB> does that answer your question dvg? 19:47:03 <dvg> yup. for sure 19:47:03 <wilcal> Looks like 19:47:03 <wilcal> No X with last x11-driver-video-sis and x11-server-1.13 19:47:03 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7521 19:47:03 <wilcal> Is gonna get solved 19:47:05 <[mbot> Bug 7521: critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, REOPENED , No X with last x11-driver-video-sis and x11-server-1.13, x11-driver-video-sis-0.10.7-5.mga3 x11-server-1.13.2-2.mga3 19:47:10 <MrsB> good, thanks :) 19:47:31 <wilcal> I've got an old box here to test it on 19:47:35 <MrsB> hopefully all the release blockers will be solved 19:47:46 <MrsB> ahh great wilcal 19:47:53 <MrsB> please help out on that one then 19:48:15 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? or shall we call it a night? 19:48:29 <DavidWHodgins> I think that's it. 19:48:33 <MrsB> or an end to the morning.. always morning ;) 19:48:51 <wilcal> That's it from me 19:49:02 <MrsB> thankyou all for coming, nice to see so many people here! 19:49:04 <DavidWHodgins> It's always morning at start of qa meetings, and night by time they end. :-) 19:49:15 <MrsB> thanks dave for your help and Luigi12_work too 19:49:24 <MrsB> same time next week 19:49:29 <MrsB> #endmeeting