20:04:25 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:04:25 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Mar 21 20:04:25 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:25 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:35 <MrsB> Morning all welcome to another qa meet 20:04:42 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:04:42 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:04:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 20:04:56 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today? 20:05:16 <MrsB> not many here today new or old is there 20:05:20 <Kernewes> we don't seem to have many oldies, let alone newbies 20:05:43 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Bugzilla just got easier 20:05:46 <MrsB> they're maybe having their dinner :( 20:05:53 <MrsB> Oh yes 20:05:58 <wilcal> Bugzilla really looking slick 20:06:25 <MrsB> #info Now when you add the validated_update keyword it will automatically add sysadmin-bugs@ml.mageia.org for you :) 20:06:56 <MrsB> you'll have to validate something to try it ;) 20:07:15 <Kernewes> that's nice, I almost forget that every time 20:07:20 <DavidWHodgins> Good. That'll get rid of forgetting to add it. 20:07:26 <wilcal> Update candidates is short this week 20:07:28 <MrsB> yeah, it's handy isn't it 20:07:36 <MrsB> we have lpsolit and dmorgan to thank for that 20:08:02 <wilcal> still some ruby stuff in there 20:08:02 <MrsB> neither are here today 20:08:14 <MrsB> yep, we'll get to that 20:08:24 <MrsB> lets go on 20:08:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia blog - Write or suggest an article 20:08:34 <wilcal> Webmin thing is gone \o/ 20:09:02 <MrsB> thanks Dave, I lost the email for a minute then 20:09:36 <MrsB> #info if you want to write an article or propose an article please let Me or Dave know 20:10:27 <MrsB> we're trying to start making the blog more interesting, it's a bit announce this announce that at the moment so if you think of anything please let somebody know 20:10:28 <wilcal> ok 20:10:52 <Kernewes> ok 20:11:13 <MrsB> and if you want to write something yourself please do so, english can be checked before posting so no need to worry if it's not your first language 20:11:48 <MrsB> noms.. 20:11:58 <DavidWHodgins> ? 20:12:04 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: eating 20:12:44 <MrsB> sorry 20:12:51 <MrsB> lets go on 20:12:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Upgrades - How are they going? 20:13:04 <MrsB> How are they going? 20:13:20 <wilcal> I've executed a couple of big upgrades and they were successful 20:13:28 <wilcal> Takes FOREVER 20:13:28 <Kernewes> sorry, haven't had time to try one yet 20:13:28 <MrsB> It would be good if we can start doing at least one a week 20:13:33 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't gotten around to testing upgrading yet. Have a few things to wrap up, and will likely start tomorrow. 20:13:41 <MrsB> yeah it's a slow process wilcal 20:14:00 <DavidWHodgins> Having a local repository speeds things up a lot. 20:14:01 <MrsB> I ran into the same problem as bozonius 20:14:02 <Kernewes> how long does one take? 20:14:10 <wilcal> FWIW i installed from boot.iso M2 when that was finished i upgraded with boot.iso m3 20:14:23 <MrsB> an hour? guess it depends on your computer 20:14:31 <wilcal> I run a local repo and even then figure 2 -> 3 hours anyway 20:14:32 <Kernewes> ok 20:14:41 <MrsB> did you update m2 before upgrading wilcal? 20:14:46 <Kernewes> wilcal: oh dear 20:14:50 <DavidWHodgins> About 20 minutes on my system. 20:14:56 <wilcal> good question 20:15:10 <wilcal> if you run a local, updated repo and install from boot.iso 20:15:16 <wilcal> the updates are auto installed 20:15:21 <MrsB> ahh yes of course 20:15:27 <wilcal> but after install i check 20:15:48 <wilcal> I always make sure there's a good sporting event on TV when I do this 20:16:09 <wilcal> I'm pretty sure I can do this at least 1x/week from here on out 20:16:15 <MrsB> #info you can test upgrades using boot.iso or dvd installer but not yet from cli 20:16:27 <wilcal> M3 barked about synthisis error but went on 20:16:30 <MrsB> #info please try to test at least once a week 20:16:44 <wilcal> will do 20:16:46 <MrsB> #info load a different set of packages each time 20:16:46 <Kernewes> can't promise anything until after Easter :( 20:17:06 <wilcal> I have a menu of apps to install many multimedia 20:17:06 <MrsB> once it's going you just have to leave it and wait, don't need to babysit it 20:17:33 <wilcal> Ya once the upgrade process starts I look at it maybe every 15 min 20:17:42 <wilcal> ad break on the tv game 20:17:51 <Kernewes> lol 20:18:05 <DavidWHodgins> After it's done, check /root/drakx/ddebug.log for any occurance of the word reason. Indicates a package or filename conflict. 20:18:07 <wilcal> this weeks game(s) was the World Baseball championship. 20:18:27 * Kernewes thinks that sounds boring 20:19:01 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9302 bug with tmpfiles.d makes certain things show as file not found in the logs and maybe show a popup error too 20:19:03 <[mbot> Bug 9302: minor, release_blocker, mageia, mageia, NEW , post script fails for ppp during mga2 -> mga3 upgrade, ppp 20:20:07 <MrsB> anything else on this? 20:20:21 <wilcal> I'll probably run another upgrade on Tue 20:20:22 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:20:24 <Kernewes> no 20:20:34 <MrsB> ok, next topic then please dave 20:20:36 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 4 - It's due any time now 20:20:38 <MrsB> tah 20:20:50 <wilcal> Should be pretty solid 20:20:51 <MrsB> Yes, beta 4 is only days away 20:21:03 <MrsB> there was mention of a test build already 20:21:04 <wilcal> M3 boot.iso install looks good here 20:21:22 <MrsB> lets hope so, it will enable us to test in more depth 20:21:44 <MrsB> grub, lilo grub2 etc, different partitioning, etc 20:21:53 <DavidWHodgins> rpmdrake has had a lot of changes that will need thorough testing. 20:22:01 <wilcal> grub2 should work on M3B4 right 20:22:08 <DavidWHodgins> Including 2317. 20:22:14 <MrsB> _should_ 20:22:20 * Kernewes holds breath 20:22:23 <MrsB> /o\ 20:22:28 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That's one of the things we'll have to check. 20:22:29 <ennael> hi there 20:22:34 <MrsB> hi anne 20:22:36 <ennael> just around for beta4 :) 20:22:37 <Kernewes> ennael: hi 20:22:50 <wilcal> Is non working GRUB2 a release blocker? 20:23:01 * MrsB feeding 20:23:13 <Kernewes> you can't take her anywhere 20:23:25 <DavidWHodgins> If grub2 still isn't working, that will be a release blocker for final, but not for the beta. 20:23:44 <MrsB> i have my plate balanced on an open drawer :\ 20:23:54 <wilcal> So going forward all my installs, and upgrades, should be GRUB2 20:24:04 <ennael> just to let you know I'm building first set of isos. It's quite in advance but may help to avoid anooying bugs at the very last time 20:24:29 <MrsB> #info <ennael> just to let you know I'm building first set of isos. It's quite in advance but may help to avoid anooying bugs at the very last time 20:24:30 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: WIll the rsync password be the same? 20:24:50 <ennael> for now yes 20:25:03 <wilcal> release just one or two live-cd's to start 20:25:18 <MrsB> could you email qa-d when they're ready anne please 20:25:31 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Anne does the standard installers. Thomas does the live iso images. 20:25:37 <ennael> MrsB: yep 20:26:00 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Has the i586 problem with the dual cd been sorted out? 20:26:45 <ennael> which one ? 20:26:58 <MrsB> and dual kernel install when proprietary drivers are used? 20:27:13 <DavidWHodgins> Bug 9301 20:27:14 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9301 normal, Normal, ennael1, ennael1, RESOLVED FIXED, beta 3 dual cd fails to install on i586 at perl-XML-SAX-Expat, perl-XML-SAX 20:27:25 <ennael> yes it should be fixed 20:27:35 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Hadn't noticed that it was marked resolved. 20:28:08 <MrsB> what is happening with broadcom ? 20:30:48 <MrsB> i guess we'll soon see 20:30:59 <MrsB> anything else on this? 20:31:09 <ennael> sorry was the question for me ? 20:31:19 <wilcal> I wanna flag one other bug 20:31:19 <MrsB> #info please watch qa-discuss for announcements 20:31:24 <Kernewes> rindolf: hi 20:31:54 <rindolf> Kernewes: hi. 20:31:56 <rindolf> Hi all. 20:32:00 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Which one? 20:32:03 <wilcal> hi rin 20:32:04 <DavidWHodgins> Hi rindolf. 20:32:04 <wilcal> Any hope for: 20:32:05 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7521 20:32:05 <wilcal> "No X with last x11-driver-video-sis and x11-server-1.13" 20:32:05 <wilcal> Getting resolved in M3B4? Or is this gonna fall back to VESA? 20:32:05 <wilcal> I can test this on real hardware here. 20:32:06 <[mbot> Bug 7521: critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, NEW , No X with last x11-driver-video-sis and x11-server-1.13, x11-driver-video-sis-0.10.7-5.mga3 x11-server-1.13.2-2.mga3 20:32:36 <rindolf> wilcal: , DavidWHodgins : hi, what's up? 20:32:38 <MrsB> They are slowly working through release_blockers wilcal 20:32:43 <MrsB> hi rindolf 20:32:59 <wilcal> k 20:32:59 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Current meeting topic is upcoming beta 4 20:33:19 <Kernewes> rindolf: first builds due shortly 20:33:45 <MrsB> Are there any questions on this? 20:33:59 <Kernewes> no 20:34:07 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:34:10 <wilcal> ok here 20:34:20 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping 20:35:00 <MrsB> It's a ghost town tonight 20:35:04 * Kernewes braces herself for the boo 20:35:10 <wilcal> He's sleeping at work 20:35:19 <Kernewes> or eating dinner 20:35:24 <MrsB> MrsB's Roundup then 20:35:30 <wilcal> Cauldron is pretty stable 20:35:49 <MrsB> sssd is still waiting, did you make any progress Dave? 20:36:04 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. I expect I'll finish it later today. 20:36:17 <MrsB> I assigned a number of bugs back to packagers which are waiting on a response 20:36:45 <wilcal> I'm tinkering with some of the Midi apps and have a learning curve 20:36:49 <MrsB> ruby is still an issue, no idea how the requires work with our packages 20:37:07 <MrsB> wilcal: this bit is for security updates for mageia 2 20:37:42 <MrsB> php is ready for testing x86_64 20:38:02 <MrsB> aside from those, it's quiet *touch wood* 20:38:10 <DavidWHodgins> Lots of packages in that one to check. 20:38:26 <MrsB> yeah 20:38:50 <MrsB> it's missed a few increments too so we should check it carefully if time allows 20:38:54 <DavidWHodgins> I'll test the x86-64 after I finish up sssd. 20:39:01 <MrsB> thankyou 20:39:11 <MrsB> then that leaves us with ruby /o\ 20:39:31 <MrsB> require 'whatever' doesn't seem to work for any of them 20:39:46 <DavidWHodgins> Is it a regression? 20:39:53 <MrsB> no 20:39:59 * DavidWHodgins hasn't looked at ruby much. 20:40:12 <DavidWHodgins> If it's not a regression, shouldn't hold the security update. 20:40:42 <MrsB> I saw a bug from pterjan about having to add require 'rubygems' before any other due to the way they are packaged but they still fail as not found 20:41:08 <MrsB> i guess, but if it's not working then a security update isn't going to help much 20:41:41 <MrsB> I'll try and talk to pterjan and see what i can find out 20:41:56 <DavidWHodgins> Either it isn't being used, or admins who are using it have figured out workarounds. 20:42:18 <MrsB> well workaround is not to use the packaged ones and use gem install instead 20:42:27 <DavidWHodgins> Either way, I think we should push the update, so any admins who have figured out workarounds get the security update. 20:42:54 <MrsB> well the updates are certainly no worse than the current ones 20:43:06 <Kernewes> lol 20:43:07 <MrsB> i'll let you decide ;) 20:43:29 <DavidWHodgins> I'll add it to my list of things to get around to. :-) 20:43:38 <MrsB> anything else on security updates? 20:43:45 <Kernewes> no 20:43:52 <wilcal> nope 20:44:06 <MrsB> lets go on then, i think we're about done 20:44:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:44:09 <MrsB> tah 20:44:13 <MrsB> Anything else? 20:44:19 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:44:22 <Kernewes> not here 20:44:25 <wilcal> M3 is really settling down 20:44:35 <wilcal> looks good 20:44:37 <MrsB> it needs to, it's been a rocky road so far 20:44:52 <wilcal> Couple three BIG bumps 20:44:59 <Kernewes> lots of potholes 20:45:05 <MrsB> version freeze helps 20:45:22 <wilcal> Usually difficult just before version freeze 20:45:31 <MrsB> wilcal you usually have something to ask here 20:45:46 <MrsB> how is nfs? 20:46:05 <wilcal> Usually I do but after that M2 -> M3 upgrade went so well i'm out of complaints 20:46:20 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:46:21 <wilcal> Yes 20:47:00 <wilcal> Ya there's wrinkle in the live media with NFS 20:47:11 <MrsB> feel free to add an #info 20:47:16 <wilcal> Classic install and boot.iso are fine has to do with shorewall 20:47:53 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9366 20:47:54 <[mbot> Bug 9366: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Installing/running from a Live-CD/DVD prevents the MCC from finding NFS servers 20:48:54 <wilcal> It's important that NFS be fully functional with a Diskless workstation 20:49:03 <MrsB> so it' being firewalled 20:49:08 <DavidWHodgins> Stopping shorewall (as opposed to clearing it) is supposed to block all incoming traffic. 20:49:53 <wilcal> David and Manuel know more about this then I, I'm only the reporter 20:50:06 <DavidWHodgins> Shouldn't affect outgoing connections though. 20:50:25 <MrsB> seems it's maybe a duplicate of bug 9329 20:50:27 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329 major, Normal, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, NEW , Can't disable firewall, drakx-net 20:51:20 <wilcal> Some Hi Security office apps need NFS and Live-media operation. NO HD 20:51:31 <wilcal> No local storage 20:51:51 <wilcal> Boot from USB drive 20:51:58 <MrsB> yeah, it'll get fixed, it should maybe be release_blocker. 20:52:07 <Kernewes> I couldn't enable it before, now it can't be disabled, one extreme to the other 20:52:16 <MrsB> might be worth checking with ennael / malo about that one 20:52:30 <DavidWHodgins> "service shorewall clear" works in Mageia 2. Should work in Mageia 3. 20:52:53 <wilcal> service shorewall clear worked for me on M3B3 20:53:14 <MrsB> #info Should https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329 be release blocker as it prevents NFS connections? 20:53:16 <[mbot> Bug 9329: major, Normal, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, NEW , Can't disable firewall, drakx-net 20:53:35 <MrsB> Anything else else? 20:53:39 <wilcal> not here 20:53:41 <Kernewes> no 20:53:45 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:53:48 <MrsB> \o/ 20:53:59 <wilcal> See ya next Thur 20:54:13 <MrsB> thanks for coming then, thanks dave for the help, sorry for the bad roundup :D 20:54:20 <MrsB> same time next week! 20:54:23 <MrsB> #endmeeting