20:06:08 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:06:08 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Mar 7 20:06:08 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:06:08 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:06:08 <lewyssmith> Y 20:06:08 <Dragoma> I'm ready! 20:06:20 <MrsB> Hi guys, welcome to another QA meeting 20:06:28 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:06:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:06:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 20:06:43 <MrsB> Do we have anybody new tonight? 20:06:48 * MrsB knows we do \o/ 20:06:57 <Dragoma> I'm new! 20:07:08 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome to the qa team! 20:07:23 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada. 20:07:35 <MrsB> Hi Dragoma! I'm claire from the UK, say a little bit and introduce yourself and the others will do the same 20:08:30 <lewyssmith> I'm Lewis, a Celt living in France 20:09:05 <Dragoma> Hello, My name is Jason from the USA, I been a fan of linux for 14 years. 20:09:05 <wilcal> wilcal ( william living in California ) Surf City USA ( San Diego ) 20:09:23 <wilcal> Were in USA 20:09:36 <Led43-Mag1> hi I'm John Bowden from the Midlands UK 20:09:41 <MrsB> Welcome to the QA team Jason 20:10:19 <Dragoma> Its great to be here! 20:11:04 <DavidWHodgins> Dragoma: Where abouts in the US? 20:11:54 <wilcal> FWIW so much mandrake/mandriva history in the USA now long gone 20:12:58 <MrsB> hi bozonius 20:13:11 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: hi 20:13:13 <bozonius> hello MrsB! 20:13:27 <MrsB> I just saw your mail 20:13:33 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: Welecom to the qa team! 20:13:33 <bozonius> I just got yours too 20:13:35 <bozonius> thanks 20:13:36 <MrsB> Welcome to the QA team! 20:13:43 <bozonius> thanks all 20:13:50 <Schultz> evening everyone 20:13:55 <bozonius> I meant to add that I'd like to start out with the ISO testing 20:14:08 <wilcal> big crowd today 20:14:09 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: and Dragoma, have you added your names to the iso testers page? 20:14:09 <MrsB> We were just doing introduction for Dragoma so lets do it again for bozonius 20:14:13 <MrsB> hiya Schultz 20:14:14 <swecarp> morning QA 20:14:18 <MrsB> Welcome too 20:14:23 <MrsB> morning swecarp 20:14:29 <bozonius> no, I have not 20:14:37 <Schultz> thanks 20:14:41 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers 20:14:48 <bozonius> thanks 20:14:59 <MrsB> So for those who are new, welcome to QA :) I'm Claire from the UK, if you introduce yourself, the others will do the same 20:15:12 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: hi I'm John Bowden from the Midlands UK 20:15:13 <Dragoma> Hello, My name is Jason from the USA, I been a fan of linux for 14 years. this is bozonius 20:15:13 <bozonius> I know I need to do this; I'm just a bit unnerved about modifying unformatted docs like wikis .... 20:15:47 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada. Former mainframe software developer. Been working with Mageia qa since alpha 1 of Mageia 1. 20:15:57 <bozonius> I'm Hal from USA. Been using LInux since 96 and only Linux since 04 20:16:12 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: don't worry, if you make a mistake we won't SHOUT at you ;) 20:16:15 <bozonius> oldtime mandrake fan 20:16:20 <lewyssmith> boz: I found it iffy too (editing the wiki) 20:16:24 <bozonius> THANKS Led43-Mag1 20:16:27 <wilcal> mandrake memories 20:16:29 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins: would you look after Dragoma and bozonius, I think they'll be more your timezone than mine 20:16:34 <swecarp> im M�en from sweden hassent donne anny qa work yeat but will make a go at it when i have sorted some things out 20:16:41 <DavidWHodgins> Sure 20:16:41 <bozonius> (preciate that) 20:17:06 <MrsB> Schultz: are you joining us too? 20:17:06 <Schultz> Hi, I'm Donald en energy engineer from Edinburgh, Scotland, mainly on the artwork side of Mageia since before mga1 some time 20:17:10 <MrsB> yes :) 20:17:26 <bozonius> that's why I'm here. Bring back Mandrake, without the mess 20:17:35 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:17:44 <Led43-Mag1> ;-) 20:17:47 <lewyssmith> boz: seconded 20:17:49 <MrsB> For anybody that hasn't found it yet there is lots of info on the wiki, including the most important page https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates 20:17:53 <bozonius> I DID use Mandriva for a while, but it was buggy after about 7.2 I think 20:17:59 <wilcal> mageia/kde is like mandrake went to heaven and came back 20:18:05 <bozonius> YES! 20:18:09 <bozonius> yes, wilcal 20:18:21 <MrsB> It can be quite intimidating at first, a steep learning curve, but don't be put off. There is always help at hand 20:18:24 <bozonius> I had always hoped, so I was so pleased when I saw this project 20:18:39 <bozonius> Mandriva? steep learning curve? 20:18:49 <wilcal> and frozen keyboards from time to time 20:18:59 <bozonius> I don't know -- I think that attribution is reserved for the RHEL distros 20:19:04 <bozonius> I use those too 20:19:06 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: Learning how to qa test various package updates, as well as the iso images. 20:19:12 <MrsB> We don't believe in silly questions here, only ones we don't ask for fear of them being silly,. So if there is anything however small you want to ask or anything whatsoever you need some guidance with please do't hesitate to ask 20:19:17 <bozonius> OH, that. (You meant work) 20:19:24 <bozonius> ty, MrsB 20:19:40 <wilcal> just trying apps and isos on your hardware is HUGE 20:20:02 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi 20:20:05 <bozonius> is there a standard rubric for testing ISO's? 20:20:20 <MrsB> If you've never been to a meeting like this before, you'll see afterwards that there is a bot which logs everything 20:20:34 <bozonius> (I will watch my tongue...) 20:20:56 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: For the most part, just installing on your hardware, from the various iso images. 20:21:04 <MrsB> there are certain commands anybody can use to add a note in the logs, #info is the main one, it adds a comment in the logs like minutes of a normal meeting 20:21:04 <bozonius> um 20:21:10 <bozonius> what about a VM? 20:21:22 <DavidWHodgins> That too. 20:21:25 <bozonius> good. 20:21:30 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: vm are ok, real iron better 20:21:31 <MrsB> hi sebsebsebeeepc 20:21:40 <DavidWHodgins> What you can test, will vary depending on what hardware you have. 20:21:48 <bozonius> well, I usually don't reboot to the bare iron 20:22:02 <MrsB> #info welcome Schultz, bozonius and Dragoma 20:22:04 <bozonius> but I don't mind taking a shot at that if I can 20:22:09 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: hi 20:22:27 <MrsB> Anybody have any questions so far? 20:22:27 <DavidWHodgins> Most package updates are ok to test in a vm only, but things like kernel updates, and iso images need testing on real hardware too. 20:22:36 <wilcal> Good to go here 20:23:05 <bozonius> but sometimes, generic install problems are easier to run down in a VM 20:23:20 <bozonius> since you don't have to write down or try to remember what you saw 20:23:24 <bozonius> true? 20:23:30 <lewyssmith> boz: Getting Mageia to install & run OK on *my* h/w has yet to happen... 20:23:39 <bozonius> yipes 20:23:46 <DavidWHodgins> We can discuss that more after the meeting 20:23:48 <wilcal> fwiw I have one of these on 3 of my computers to make testing easier: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121172 20:23:50 <[mbot> [ KINGWIN KF-91-BK HDD Accessory - Newegg.com ] 20:23:52 <bozonius> tbh, I had trouble with Mageia 2 in VM 20:24:04 <bozonius> I have one of those! 20:24:09 <bozonius> (I think) 20:24:22 <bozonius> mine is the 3 bay version 20:24:32 <wilcal> Great stuff to have 20:24:35 <bozonius> (or is mine the 4000, hold on...) 20:24:45 <wilcal> I've about a dozen drives to play with 20:25:03 <bozonius> fortunately, I DO have a spare partition on my RAID 20:25:08 <MrsB> Ok, lets move on with the meeting and you guys can have a good chat after 20:25:13 <DavidWHodgins> Let's leave the chatting till after the meeting. 20:25:14 <bozonius> sure 20:25:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Election results 20:25:38 <MrsB> If you remember we allowed until today for everybody to have their vote 20:25:58 <sebsebsebeeepc> and the winners are.... 20:26:05 <bozonius> (drumroll) 20:26:08 <MrsB> I can now officially announce that the results are in.. 20:26:24 <MrsB> #info There were 12 votes 20:26:30 <DavidWHodgins> Should have voted against. :-) 20:26:42 <MrsB> #info Claire will be team leader and David Hodgins will be deupty 20:26:46 * Led43-Mag1 acts surprised 20:26:48 <wilcal> Kool 20:26:57 <Led43-Mag1> great 20:26:58 <Schultz> congrats 20:27:00 <alfred> good choice :) 20:27:11 <lewyssmith> Self-defining 20:27:19 <bozonius> +1 20:27:53 <MrsB> #info We all owe Samuel (Stormi) a debt of thanks for everything he has done in his time as deputy and since the team started! 20:28:17 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. 20:28:34 <Led43-Mag1> yep 20:28:38 <alfred> that's true 20:28:59 <DavidWHodgins> And a big thank you to you too Claire, for keeping this team organized! 20:29:10 <lewyssmith> Seconded 20:29:15 <MrsB> Just FYI, I have also been elected onto the mageia board, as of yesterday 20:29:16 <wilcal> \o/ 20:29:17 <Led43-Mag1> +2 20:29:25 <wilcal> Kool 20:29:27 <DavidWHodgins> Congrats! 20:29:33 <bozonius> oh wow. 20:29:40 <wilcal> A QA person on a Board is very unusual 20:29:47 <alfred> congrats too 20:29:47 * bozonius wonders if there will be cake and juice after 20:29:51 <sebsebsebeeepc> yep FOSDEM 2014 MrsB there probably 20:29:51 <lewyssmith> Felicitations 20:29:55 <MrsB> thanks, the reward is more work :D 20:29:56 <Led43-Mag1> the dog will be getting fat due to lack of walkie s 20:30:06 <wilcal> Save'n my pennies to be there I am 20:30:44 <MrsB> Thankyou guys for your trust in us 20:31:15 <MrsB> I hope we can live up to it for another year 20:31:41 <MrsB> Anybody have any questions or comments about this? 20:31:41 <bozonius> or no more work for you 20:31:58 <sebsebsebeeepc> mr 20:32:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB was the overall winner for board positon as well 20:32:17 <Led43-Mag1> MrsB: when will the cheque arrive ;-) 20:32:26 <MrsB> it's already in the post 20:32:38 <bozonius> (she is treasurer too) 20:32:39 <Led43-Mag1> ;) 20:32:44 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:32:53 <MrsB> I'm not treasurer 20:32:57 <bozonius> j/k 20:33:01 <MrsB> phew! 20:33:02 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: you might be 20:33:11 <MrsB> we'd end up feeling the financial crisis if i was 20:33:25 <wilcal> She can't control the millions in the treasury :-)) 20:33:29 <sebsebsebeeepc> three positions going in the board, but they have to decide who gets what 20:33:38 <bozonius> do they all get jets? 20:33:43 <bozonius> (just askin...) 20:33:55 <MrsB> jets, gold bars, y'know 20:33:58 <Led43-Mag1> yep water jets 20:34:04 <bozonius> can I apply then? 20:34:22 <bozonius> I'd rather do that than test virtual ISO CDs and DVDs 20:34:23 <DavidWHodgins> Bit late for this year. Maybe next year. 20:34:23 <MrsB> cages too, almost like real monkeys 20:34:32 <bozonius> oh man 20:34:37 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 3 20:34:38 <swecarp> americanexpress platinium card MrsB 20:34:44 <MrsB> thanks Dave 20:34:52 <MrsB> So who's tested Beta 3? 20:34:52 <Dragoma> the only thing I would like is the best linux distro on the planet 20:34:54 <MrsB> not many 20:34:59 <wilcal> What is projected to be release date of Beta3 20:35:08 <Led43-Mag1> Dragoma: same here 20:35:19 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: When we finish testing. :-) 20:35:30 <DavidWHodgins> Installer iso images are ready to test. 20:35:31 <lewyssmith> When will the ISOs be publicly available? Someone said 5 Mar; they are still beta2. 20:35:35 <MrsB> depends when it's tested wilcal, there has been a distinct lack of testers this time around 20:35:38 <Dragoma> I just downloaded beta 2 20:35:41 <wilcal> ISO's ready to test pretty stable now?? 20:35:50 <Led43-Mag1> sorry been to occupied with real life, but has been stting up a 64bit vm and 32bit boc for qa bug testing 20:36:03 <bozonius> Dragoma, I did too, but I was told last night here that beta2 is dead 20:36:15 <leuhmanu> live are ok to be public, no ? 20:36:17 <bozonius> we should be downloading beta3 according to that person 20:36:22 <leuhmanu> dvd too ? 20:36:28 <lewyssmith> boz: I think it is not worth chasing bet2 now 20:36:35 <leuhmanu> only dual could be a little better 20:36:36 <bozonius> ah, leuhmanu, that person in fact 20:36:39 <wilcal> I tested most/all of the Live-CD's and they were fine here 20:36:44 <DavidWHodgins> For dual, should test both 32 bit and 64 bit installs. For dvd, test gnome, kde, and lxde installs. Both should be tested on real hardware, as well as in vms. 20:36:49 <wilcal> Installed a couple of them successfully 20:36:57 <MrsB> The classic installer isos only arirved early this morning and tmb is currently not very well so we haven't caused a delay but we should really try and get testing now so that we don't cause any delay 20:37:36 <lewyssmith> To try beta3, can we just wait until they appear on the public site? 20:37:53 <Schultz> i'm still rsyncing, the connection was disturbed earlier today 20:38:07 <leuhmanu> yes, our test are global 20:38:14 <Led43-Mag1> lewyssmith: you can get a p/word and dl them from our testing site 20:38:16 <alfred> yeah is running very slow atm 20:38:37 <lewyssmith> Led: details please 20:38:41 <MrsB> The pre-release are kept on a private server lewyssmith, if you add youself to the qa testers page I'll email you some details 20:38:52 <wilcal> Amazingly I get a good speed 1MB/sec usually 20:38:58 <lewyssmith> I am already on that page 20:39:00 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers 20:39:10 <MrsB> that's the one, thanks dave 20:39:21 <MrsB> Did I not emial you lewis? 20:39:28 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Should have gotten an email from Claire with the password for the rsync site. 20:39:48 <MrsB> I'm sorry if you were missed 20:39:49 <lewyssmith> Perhaps I have; I will look back 20:39:53 <Led43-Mag1> lewyssmith: after dl the iso files, we run rysnc after any updates on the iso's to save on Mag's bandwith 20:40:09 <MrsB> if you can't find it, let myself and dave know. One of us will forward it to you 20:40:13 <Schultz> its not the mageia end thats the issue, its my end thats blocking the connection 20:40:27 <MrsB> Schultz: is it working again now? 20:40:27 <bozonius> I added myself just a short time ago 20:40:30 <Led43-Mag1> lewyssmith: there can be daily respins of the iso's to fix found bugs sometimes 20:40:36 <lewyssmith> Led: which is the 'testing site'? 20:40:53 <Schultz> not sure, on windows for uni work.... 20:41:12 <MrsB> Dave, could you forward the email to them afterwards please? 20:41:15 <Dragoma> what kernel version does beta 3 use? 20:41:19 <bozonius> so the ISOs are not "frozen" then 20:41:24 <bozonius> ? 20:41:45 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: Not yet. 20:41:53 <bozonius> Led43: you said daily respins -- that means fresh ISO's, or you mean applying patches by rsync? 20:41:57 <MrsB> The isos usually go through several build before they are released 20:41:59 <Led43-Mag1> lewyssmith: you will be emailed the url along with a p/word 20:42:23 <DavidWHodgins> If you could both send me an email davidwhodgins@gmail.com, I'll reply with the rsync command to use, and the password. 20:42:26 <bozonius> David: I understand the release is not frozen, but I am just referring to the ISOs 20:42:31 <lewyssmith> Thanks. Sorry if I have inadevertantly asked twice. 20:42:57 <bozonius> so we will be testing the ISOs over and over again for each respin for each beta version 20:43:01 <bozonius> is that right? 20:43:10 <DavidWHodgins> The iso images we test, can get rebuilt to fix bugs we find, before being made available to the public. 20:43:15 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: fresh iso's, but rysnc will only dl the new bits of the iso 20:43:27 <MrsB> #info the live isos are ready for release but installer dvd's and dualcd need more testing 20:43:39 <wilcal> They usually get respun a couple times before released to public 20:43:43 <DavidWHodgins> During beta 1 and 2, I think it was rebuilt 5 times each, before passing qa testing. 20:43:51 <leuhmanu> ennael: if you could make a new dual this evening/tomorrow from my mails 20:43:52 <bozonius> ah, ok. ty 20:44:05 <bozonius> I'm trying to put together a mental image of the process 20:44:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: ok so why aren't the Live ISO's released alrready then? 20:44:17 <bozonius> that explanation helps alot!@ 20:44:19 <bozonius> thanks 20:44:32 <sebsebsebeeepc> releae classic later or not at all for Beta 3 20:44:39 <MrsB> sebsebsebeeepc: tmb is unwell and they are his. He makes torrent files and pushes onto the mirros etc 20:44:44 <Dragoma> with beta 3 I'm going try to break it. then try to fix it. 20:45:07 <Led43-Mag1> we generally release all iso's when good enough, it saves a bit of irc trafic like "where is the dvd" 20:45:13 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: yeah saw you put here that he was unwelll before, but they could be released without a torrent to 20:45:28 <sebsebsebeeepc> Led43-Mag1: sure, but tmb could be unwell over a week 20:45:34 <MrsB> tmb pushes them to the mirros in a sysadminy way 20:46:06 <DavidWHodgins> Hope he's feeling better soon! 20:46:14 <Led43-Mag1> +1 20:46:19 <bozonius> I take it he uses scripts, etc, logging what got pushed, etc? 20:46:30 <MrsB> no idea bozonius 20:46:35 <MrsB> we test, they push 20:46:36 <bozonius> you said sysadminy 20:46:40 <bozonius> got it 20:46:54 <DavidWHodgins> tmb wears many hats. kernel developer, sysadmin, live iso images builder, etc. 20:47:03 <MrsB> Anybody any questions so far? 20:47:14 <wilcal> I'm kool 20:47:17 <MrsB> yes, you'll soon see everybody has more work than they can handle really 20:47:35 <MrsB> it's why we are always thankful to see new faces :) 20:47:37 <wilcal> Always sounds like one of my old teachers at school 20:47:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:47:56 <MrsB> who does wilcal? 20:47:58 <Luigi12_work> boo 20:48:01 * bozonius raises his hand, forgetting he is NOT in school anymore 20:48:01 <MrsB> Ooo 20:48:24 <wilcal> thank god 20:48:31 <MrsB> For anybody that doesn't know, Luigi12 is David Walser, you'll see alot of him. He builds most of our security updates 20:48:46 <wilcal> Hi Luigi 20:48:51 <DavidWHodgins> I'm working on sssd still. Will setup script(s)/test procedures for ldap and sssd, like I did for kerberos. 20:48:55 <wilcal> How's Java treat'n you? 20:49:17 <MrsB> Are we all done with java updates now do you think? 20:49:20 <Luigi12_work> lol, well we got new Java's, luckily they're validated...just need tmb to push them 20:49:31 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: next Java updates are supposed to be in April 20:49:35 <wilcal> Sorry Luigi, I got word of yet another(s) Java compromise yesterday 20:49:35 <MrsB> \o/ 20:49:44 <MrsB> /o\ 20:49:54 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: did you see we might have worked out a testing procedure for sssd that doesn't require an external server or any ldap? 20:50:07 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: yes I saw that, but there's no plans to fix it sooner than April 20:50:13 <wilcal> FWIW Java was NEVER intended for what it's being used for 20:50:22 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, but would rather test with ldap. 20:50:27 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: what does that mean? 20:50:38 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: well the only affected part of the code for this update has nothing to do with ldap 20:50:45 <Luigi12_work> it's simply the homedir creation/deletion code 20:50:45 <wilcal> We used it on appliances as Firmware 20:51:01 <wilcal> Cellphones is another proper usage 20:51:11 <wilcal> Corporate development 20:51:13 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll look through that. 20:51:30 <MrsB> Where is the procedure Luigi12_work, on the bug? 20:51:31 <wilcal> Never as a browser app on a workstation 20:51:42 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yeah 20:52:10 <MrsB> #info sssd preferably should be tested on local login, procedure on the bug 20:52:11 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: not sure how you mean it wasn't designed for that. That's been a big part of it since very early on. 20:52:22 <wilcal> FWIW I was part of a 1000's of Java deployments on mandrake/mandriva appliances 20:52:54 <wilcal> Not a good place here to go into all that, I was one of the last Sun Sales people in SoCal 20:52:59 <Luigi12_work> the only higher priority update right now is for git, having to do with SSL cert verification with git-imap-send 20:53:00 <bozonius> Java is also used for Business Logic Engines in the mvc model 20:53:09 <wilcal> Out of Control 20:53:11 <Luigi12_work> I also posted a wireshark update today 20:53:21 <MrsB> #info git is high priority 20:53:28 <Luigi12_work> the PHP one should be held off on, as it yet again is awaiting yet another update 20:53:49 <MrsB> #info php is waiting for another update, hold on that one for now 20:54:04 * Luigi12_work hopes they're aren't 10 more packages to update tomorrow 20:54:10 <MrsB> We can assign that one to oden until he's finished i think 20:54:16 <Luigi12_work> yep 20:54:39 <DavidWHodgins> For everyone who's new, http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates is the main page to use to find out what updates are waiting for qa testing. 20:54:41 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 20:54:56 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have, any questions for me? 20:55:12 <MrsB> and https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates is the process to use whilst testing 20:55:16 <wilcal> I'm done beat'n up on ya 20:55:30 <MrsB> thanks for that Luigi12_work 20:55:44 <MrsB> anybody anything to ask? 20:55:51 <bozonius> me me me 20:55:56 <MrsB> go gog o 20:55:57 <bozonius> call on me, MrsB! 20:56:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:56:12 <bozonius> first question 20:56:20 <oeai> about gnome 3.8? 20:56:22 <bozonius> is there a rubric we are supposed to follow? 20:56:27 <Luigi12_work> oeai: please no 20:56:30 <MrsB> what's a rubric? 20:56:35 <DavidWHodgins> Procedure. 20:56:37 <bozonius> I just mean a test pattenr 20:56:37 <MrsB> ohhh 20:56:40 <bozonius> right 20:56:42 <wilcal> IYa I've got something 20:56:47 <oeai> Luigi12_work: luigi is there anything i can read somewhere? 20:56:58 <Luigi12_work> oeai: about what? 20:57:02 <DavidWHodgins> For package updates, the procedure will vary depending on what the package does 20:57:10 <MrsB> when testign updates follow https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates which explains how to use bugzilla and how to set up your medias etc. It's step by step how to validate. 20:57:11 <oeai> Luigi12_work: about it =) 20:57:14 <DavidWHodgins> For iso testing, I do the following. 20:57:15 <bozonius> I mean, written... 20:57:21 <MrsB> The actual testing we have to work out ourselves though 20:57:27 <bozonius> ok 20:57:29 <DavidWHodgins> For dual cd, both a 32 bit and a 64 bit install. 20:57:30 <bozonius> that's what I was asking 20:57:53 <Luigi12_work> also for package update the procedure can vary depending on what the update is trying to fix (what bug or security problem) and if there is a procedure to reproduce the problem (PoC for security issues) 20:58:04 <DavidWHodgins> For standard installer iso, 3 installs. One selecting kde, one selecting gnome, and one selecting lxde. 20:58:09 <MrsB> there are some tips and tricks on the wiki and also links on the madb page which show previous updates and searches on the wiki 20:58:36 <lewyssmith> Question: My 64-bit box is EFI. Should that work out of the box? 20:58:37 <DavidWHodgins> For each live iso, test both live mode, and installed to hard drive. 20:59:05 <MrsB> lewyssmith: EFInot yet but it should by the time mageia 3 is released. Secure boot won't though 20:59:06 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Not in efi mode yet. That's a work in progress. Have to used bios mode, for now. 21:00:01 <MrsB> Anything else? 21:00:09 <wilcal> Ya one more thing here 21:00:09 <DavidWHodgins> Booting into efi mode is supposed to work now, but not out of the box. Manual setup still required. Haven't tested it myself yet though. 21:00:14 <lewyssmith> I dare not mess with BIOS mode on that; have enough problems. 21:00:34 <DavidWHodgins> Go ahead wilcal 21:00:39 <wilcal> If you install from ( Beta3 ) Live-CD you have to manually modify fstab to get NFS things going 21:00:47 <MrsB> tmb is working on that though lewyssmith, he plans to support it in mageia 3 21:00:48 <wilcal> If you install from boot.iso there's no problem 21:01:04 <wilcal> Still some wrinkles in nfs set up 21:01:19 <wilcal> I'll be looking at that again with the new M3B3 isos testing 21:01:20 <DavidWHodgins> Something missing from the live iso? 21:01:28 <MrsB> #info <wilcal> If you install from ( Beta3 ) Live-CD you have to manually modify fstab to get NFS things going 21:01:48 <wilcal> I donno David. I'm not smart enough about it all yet ie no bug yet 21:02:00 <MrsB> wilcal: can you create a bug for that please and email qa-discuss about it too please 21:02:06 <wilcal> more tinkering this weekend 21:02:08 <DavidWHodgins> Or is it just that there's been a package update since the iso images were created? 21:02:10 <bozonius> what sort of issues should be logged to the bug base? 21:02:18 <wilcal> will do take a full install to test it 21:02:27 <bozonius> just defects, UI usability issues, etc? 21:02:35 <MrsB> any bug you find 21:02:40 <bozonius> I mean, how esoteric? 21:02:52 <bozonius> should we test whether avahi works for instance? 21:02:58 <wilcal> Gimme some more time David just note I'm tinkering with it 21:03:16 <Led43-Mag1> or add your experiance of a bug to a bug report for it all ready filed 21:03:17 <MrsB> well, bugs for sure. Any improvements you can suggest too but they'll only be suggestions 21:03:25 <lewyssmith> boz: Clearly the main thing is that IT WORKS. Gripes afterwards. 21:03:35 <bozonius> well, sure, lewy 21:03:38 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: While learning what makes a good bug report, post any questions about what you think should be reported to the mailing list, for confirmation. 21:03:49 <bozonius> ok, will do 21:03:50 <MrsB> We test what is on the ISO, don't install updates when you install it. Anything which is one the ISo yes test it 21:04:04 <bozonius> ah, ok 21:04:06 <Luigi12_work> for ISOs the main things to test for are things that can't just be fixed later with a package update, things that would need the ISO to be rebuilt to fix 21:04:10 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: in the early beta's we test for installing errors, as we mover through the beta's we also check apps run 21:04:10 <wilcal> Improvements :-)))) incorporate http://www.lwks.com/ into Mageia 4 21:04:10 <MrsB> thats good advice Dave yes 21:04:12 <[mbot> [ Lightworks ] 21:04:30 <Luigi12_work> but anything that can be tested helps, in case there are any bugs 21:04:33 * bozonius nods 21:04:57 <MrsB> it's our job to try and find bugs before the public 21:05:08 * bozonius smiles at MrsB 21:05:10 <MrsB> morning wrw105 21:05:20 <wrw105> Hi MrsB! 21:05:25 <MrsB> just in time! 21:05:32 <Led43-Mag1> test on as much hardware as posible, internal and external 21:05:33 <lewyssmith> boz: I am only here because I have never got Mageia to fly on my h/w. Very basic... 21:05:44 <bozonius> huh 21:05:44 <DavidWHodgins> Primary purpose of testing iso images, is to ensure they can install a system that can later be updated, as needed. Nice to ensure as few bugs as possible, bug main thing is that updates can be installed. 21:05:45 <wrw105> Woo Hoo! Was out on a call for the day job--massage therapist. 21:05:58 <bozonius> lewys did you say you have the kingwin? 21:06:00 <DavidWHodgins> s /bug main/but main/ 21:06:02 <oeai> can i ask to test sound themes installation and i need some info on how to package it? 21:06:07 <MrsB> Oh nice, do you do cross atlantic calls? 21:06:25 <wrw105> If you'll cover the airfare I'm game! 21:06:27 <wilcal> FWIW I was able to get a Mageia 2 -> Mageia 3 update successful a couple weeks ago 21:06:29 <MrsB> oeai: the best place is atelier until it's been included 21:06:29 <lewyssmith> What is 'kingwin'? 21:06:39 <bozonius> never mind, sorry. 21:07:00 <wilcal> Kingwin a manufacturer of removeable hard drive subsystems 21:07:01 <oeai> MrsB: we were discussing it, but you say about testing before public 21:07:18 <MrsB> oeai: yes, we test the ISOs when they're built 21:07:28 <Luigi12_work> yeah I want to test upgrades again too, but now holding off since someone sabotaged something and I'm waiting for help to get it fixed 21:07:36 <MrsB> when it's on an iso, maybe beta4 we'll be able to test it for you 21:07:37 <lewyssmith> BEFORE they hit the public! 21:08:16 <DavidWHodgins> oeai: We don't normally test artwork or sound, before the packages are made available in cauldron. We test the iso images before those go public. 21:08:16 <oeai> well guys it's not for me i got it working in my own 21:08:17 <oeai> bb 21:08:24 <Schultz> oeai: for packaging help I would ask on mageia-dev 21:08:28 <bozonius> I suppose I could fiddle with the different options in VM. Like changing the SATA card to an IDE card, increasing/decreasing memory, etc 21:08:38 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 21:08:51 <wilcal> I'm good 21:09:12 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. Chatting can continue after the meeting, but I think that's it for the meeting. 21:09:29 <lewyssmith> N 21:09:30 <bozonius> would that be helpful? 21:09:37 <MrsB> Well, thankyou all for coming. Welcome again to our new members, make yourself at home and get stuck in! 21:09:44 <MrsB> Same time next week 21:09:47 <MrsB> #endmeeting