20:06:08 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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20:06:08 <lewyssmith> Y
20:06:08 <Dragoma> I'm ready!
20:06:20 <MrsB> Hi guys, welcome to another QA meeting
20:06:28 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:06:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:06:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic  Who's new?
20:06:43 <MrsB> Do we have anybody new tonight?
20:06:48 * MrsB knows we do \o/
20:06:57 <Dragoma> I'm new!
20:07:08 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome to the qa team!
20:07:23 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada.
20:07:35 <MrsB> Hi Dragoma! I'm claire from the UK, say a little bit and introduce yourself and the others will do the same
20:08:30 <lewyssmith> I'm Lewis, a Celt living in France
20:09:05 <Dragoma> Hello, My name is Jason from the USA, I been a fan of linux for 14 years.
20:09:05 <wilcal> wilcal ( william living in California ) Surf City USA ( San Diego )
20:09:23 <wilcal> Were in USA
20:09:36 <Led43-Mag1> hi I'm John Bowden from the Midlands UK
20:09:41 <MrsB> Welcome to the QA team Jason
20:10:19 <Dragoma> Its great to be here!
20:11:04 <DavidWHodgins> Dragoma: Where abouts in the US?
20:11:54 <wilcal> FWIW so much mandrake/mandriva history in the USA now long gone
20:12:58 <MrsB> hi bozonius
20:13:11 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: hi
20:13:13 <bozonius> hello MrsB!
20:13:27 <MrsB> I just saw your mail
20:13:33 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: Welecom to the qa team!
20:13:33 <bozonius> I just got yours too
20:13:35 <bozonius> thanks
20:13:36 <MrsB> Welcome to the QA team!
20:13:43 <bozonius> thanks all
20:13:50 <Schultz> evening everyone
20:13:55 <bozonius> I meant to add that I'd like to start out with the ISO testing
20:14:08 <wilcal> big crowd today
20:14:09 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: and Dragoma, have you added your names to the iso testers page?
20:14:09 <MrsB> We were just doing introduction for Dragoma so lets do it again for bozonius
20:14:13 <MrsB> hiya Schultz
20:14:14 <swecarp> morning QA
20:14:18 <MrsB> Welcome too
20:14:23 <MrsB> morning swecarp
20:14:29 <bozonius> no, I have not
20:14:37 <Schultz> thanks
20:14:41 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
20:14:48 <bozonius> thanks
20:14:59 <MrsB> So for those who are new, welcome to QA :) I'm Claire from the UK, if you introduce yourself, the others will do the same
20:15:12 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: hi I'm John Bowden from the Midlands UK
20:15:13 <Dragoma> Hello, My name is Jason from the USA, I been a fan of linux for 14 years. this is bozonius
20:15:13 <bozonius> I know I need to do this; I'm just a bit unnerved about modifying unformatted docs like wikis ....
20:15:47 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada.  Former mainframe software developer.  Been working with Mageia qa since alpha 1 of Mageia 1.
20:15:57 <bozonius> I'm Hal from USA.  Been using LInux since 96 and only Linux since 04
20:16:12 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: don't worry, if you make a mistake we won't SHOUT at you ;)
20:16:15 <bozonius> oldtime mandrake fan
20:16:20 <lewyssmith> boz: I found it iffy too (editing the wiki)
20:16:24 <bozonius> THANKS Led43-Mag1
20:16:27 <wilcal> mandrake memories
20:16:29 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins: would you look after Dragoma and bozonius, I think they'll be more your timezone than mine
20:16:34 <swecarp> im M�en from sweden hassent donne anny qa work yeat but will make a go at it when i have sorted some things out
20:16:41 <DavidWHodgins> Sure
20:16:41 <bozonius> (preciate that)
20:17:06 <MrsB> Schultz: are you joining us too?
20:17:06 <Schultz> Hi, I'm Donald en energy engineer from Edinburgh, Scotland, mainly on the artwork side of Mageia since before mga1 some time
20:17:10 <MrsB> yes :)
20:17:26 <bozonius> that's why I'm here.  Bring back Mandrake, without the mess
20:17:35 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:17:44 <Led43-Mag1> ;-)
20:17:47 <lewyssmith> boz: seconded
20:17:49 <MrsB> For anybody that hasn't found it yet there is lots of info on the wiki, including the most important page https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates
20:17:53 <bozonius> I DID use Mandriva for a while, but it was buggy after about 7.2 I think
20:17:59 <wilcal> mageia/kde is like mandrake went to heaven and came back
20:18:05 <bozonius> YES!
20:18:09 <bozonius> yes, wilcal
20:18:21 <MrsB> It can be quite intimidating at first, a steep learning curve, but don't be put off. There is always help at hand
20:18:24 <bozonius> I had always hoped, so I was so pleased when I saw this project
20:18:39 <bozonius> Mandriva?  steep learning curve?
20:18:49 <wilcal> and frozen keyboards from time to time
20:18:59 <bozonius> I don't know -- I think that attribution is reserved for the RHEL distros
20:19:04 <bozonius> I use those too
20:19:06 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: Learning how to qa test various package updates, as well as the iso images.
20:19:12 <MrsB> We don't believe in silly questions here, only ones we don't ask for fear of them being silly,. So if there is anything however small you want to ask or anything whatsoever you need some guidance with please do't hesitate to ask
20:19:17 <bozonius> OH, that.  (You meant work)
20:19:24 <bozonius> ty, MrsB
20:19:40 <wilcal> just trying apps and isos on your hardware is HUGE
20:20:02 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi
20:20:05 <bozonius> is there a standard rubric for testing ISO's?
20:20:20 <MrsB> If you've never been to a meeting like this before, you'll see afterwards that there is a bot which logs everything
20:20:34 <bozonius> (I will watch my tongue...)
20:20:56 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: For the most part, just installing on your hardware, from the various iso images.
20:21:04 <MrsB> there are certain commands anybody can use to add a note in the logs, #info is the main one, it adds a comment in the logs like minutes of a normal meeting
20:21:04 <bozonius> um
20:21:10 <bozonius> what about a VM?
20:21:22 <DavidWHodgins> That too.
20:21:25 <bozonius> good.
20:21:30 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: vm are ok, real iron better
20:21:31 <MrsB> hi sebsebsebeeepc
20:21:40 <DavidWHodgins> What you can test, will vary depending on what hardware you have.
20:21:48 <bozonius> well, I usually don't reboot to the bare iron
20:22:02 <MrsB> #info welcome Schultz, bozonius and Dragoma
20:22:04 <bozonius> but I don't mind taking a shot at that if I can
20:22:09 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: hi
20:22:27 <MrsB> Anybody have any questions so far?
20:22:27 <DavidWHodgins> Most package updates are ok to test in a vm only, but things like kernel updates, and iso images need testing on real hardware too.
20:22:36 <wilcal> Good to go here
20:23:05 <bozonius> but sometimes, generic install problems are easier to run down in a VM
20:23:20 <bozonius> since you don't have to write down or try to remember what you saw
20:23:24 <bozonius> true?
20:23:30 <lewyssmith> boz: Getting Mageia to install & run OK on *my* h/w has yet to happen...
20:23:39 <bozonius> yipes
20:23:46 <DavidWHodgins> We can discuss that more after the meeting
20:23:48 <wilcal> fwiw I have one of these on 3 of my computers to make testing easier: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121172
20:23:50 <[mbot> [ KINGWIN KF-91-BK HDD Accessory - Newegg.com ]
20:23:52 <bozonius> tbh, I had trouble with Mageia 2 in VM
20:24:04 <bozonius> I have one of those!
20:24:09 <bozonius> (I think)
20:24:22 <bozonius> mine is the 3 bay version
20:24:32 <wilcal> Great stuff to have
20:24:35 <bozonius> (or is mine the 4000, hold on...)
20:24:45 <wilcal> I've about a dozen drives to play with
20:25:03 <bozonius> fortunately, I DO have a spare partition on my RAID
20:25:08 <MrsB> Ok, lets move on with the meeting and you guys can have a good chat after
20:25:13 <DavidWHodgins> Let's leave the chatting till after the meeting.
20:25:14 <bozonius> sure
20:25:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Election results
20:25:38 <MrsB> If you remember we allowed until today for everybody to have their vote
20:25:58 <sebsebsebeeepc> and the winners are....
20:26:05 <bozonius> (drumroll)
20:26:08 <MrsB> I can now officially announce that the results are in..
20:26:24 <MrsB> #info There were 12 votes
20:26:30 <DavidWHodgins> Should have voted against. :-)
20:26:42 <MrsB> #info Claire will be team leader and David Hodgins will be deupty
20:26:46 * Led43-Mag1 acts surprised
20:26:48 <wilcal> Kool
20:26:57 <Led43-Mag1> great
20:26:58 <Schultz> congrats
20:27:00 <alfred> good choice :)
20:27:11 <lewyssmith> Self-defining
20:27:19 <bozonius> +1
20:27:53 <MrsB> #info We all owe Samuel (Stormi) a debt of thanks for everything he has done in his time as deputy and since the team started!
20:28:17 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed.
20:28:34 <Led43-Mag1> yep
20:28:38 <alfred> that's true
20:28:59 <DavidWHodgins> And a big thank you to you too Claire, for keeping this team organized!
20:29:10 <lewyssmith> Seconded
20:29:15 <MrsB> Just FYI, I have also been elected onto the mageia board, as of yesterday
20:29:16 <wilcal> \o/
20:29:17 <Led43-Mag1> +2
20:29:25 <wilcal> Kool
20:29:27 <DavidWHodgins> Congrats!
20:29:33 <bozonius> oh wow.
20:29:40 <wilcal> A QA person on a Board is very unusual
20:29:47 <alfred> congrats too
20:29:47 * bozonius wonders if there will be cake and juice after
20:29:51 <sebsebsebeeepc> yep FOSDEM 2014 MrsB there probably
20:29:51 <lewyssmith> Felicitations
20:29:55 <MrsB> thanks, the reward is more work :D
20:29:56 <Led43-Mag1> the dog will be getting fat due to lack of walkie s
20:30:06 <wilcal> Save'n my pennies to be there I am
20:30:44 <MrsB> Thankyou guys for your trust in us
20:31:15 <MrsB> I hope we can live up to it for another year
20:31:41 <MrsB> Anybody have any questions or comments about this?
20:31:41 <bozonius> or no more work for you
20:31:58 <sebsebsebeeepc> mr
20:32:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB was the overall winner for board positon as well
20:32:17 <Led43-Mag1> MrsB: when will the cheque arrive ;-)
20:32:26 <MrsB> it's already in the post
20:32:38 <bozonius> (she is treasurer too)
20:32:39 <Led43-Mag1> ;)
20:32:44 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:32:53 <MrsB> I'm not treasurer
20:32:57 <bozonius> j/k
20:33:01 <MrsB> phew!
20:33:02 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: you might be
20:33:11 <MrsB> we'd end up feeling the financial crisis if i was
20:33:25 <wilcal> She can't control the millions in the treasury  :-))
20:33:29 <sebsebsebeeepc> three positions going in the board, but they have to decide who gets what
20:33:38 <bozonius> do they all get jets?
20:33:43 <bozonius> (just askin...)
20:33:55 <MrsB> jets, gold bars, y'know
20:33:58 <Led43-Mag1> yep water jets
20:34:04 <bozonius> can I apply then?
20:34:22 <bozonius> I'd rather do that than test virtual ISO CDs and DVDs
20:34:23 <DavidWHodgins> Bit late for this year.  Maybe next year.
20:34:23 <MrsB> cages too, almost like real monkeys
20:34:32 <bozonius> oh man
20:34:37 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 3
20:34:38 <swecarp> americanexpress platinium card MrsB
20:34:44 <MrsB> thanks Dave
20:34:52 <MrsB> So who's tested Beta 3?
20:34:52 <Dragoma> the only thing I would like is the best linux distro on the planet
20:34:54 <MrsB> not many
20:34:59 <wilcal> What is projected to be release date of Beta3
20:35:08 <Led43-Mag1> Dragoma: same here
20:35:19 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: When we finish testing. :-)
20:35:30 <DavidWHodgins> Installer iso images are ready to test.
20:35:31 <lewyssmith> When will the ISOs be publicly available? Someone said 5 Mar; they are still beta2.
20:35:35 <MrsB> depends when it's tested wilcal, there has been a distinct lack of testers this time around
20:35:38 <Dragoma> I just downloaded beta 2
20:35:41 <wilcal> ISO's ready to test pretty stable now??
20:35:50 <Led43-Mag1> sorry been to occupied with real life, but has been stting up a 64bit vm and 32bit boc for qa bug testing
20:36:03 <bozonius> Dragoma, I did too, but I was told last night here that beta2 is dead
20:36:15 <leuhmanu> live are ok to be public, no ?
20:36:17 <bozonius> we should be downloading beta3 according to that person
20:36:22 <leuhmanu> dvd too ?
20:36:28 <lewyssmith> boz: I think it is not worth chasing bet2 now
20:36:35 <leuhmanu> only dual could be a little better
20:36:36 <bozonius> ah, leuhmanu, that person in fact
20:36:39 <wilcal> I tested most/all of the Live-CD's and they were fine here
20:36:44 <DavidWHodgins> For dual, should test both 32 bit and 64 bit installs.  For dvd, test gnome, kde, and lxde installs.  Both should be tested on real hardware, as well as in vms.
20:36:49 <wilcal> Installed a couple of them successfully
20:36:57 <MrsB> The classic installer isos only arirved early this morning and tmb is currently not very well so we haven't caused a delay but we should really try and get testing now so that we don't cause any delay
20:37:36 <lewyssmith> To try beta3, can we just wait until they appear on the public site?
20:37:53 <Schultz> i'm still rsyncing, the connection was disturbed earlier today
20:38:07 <leuhmanu> yes, our test are global
20:38:14 <Led43-Mag1> lewyssmith: you can get a p/word and dl them from our testing site
20:38:16 <alfred> yeah is running very slow atm
20:38:37 <lewyssmith> Led: details please
20:38:41 <MrsB> The pre-release are kept on a private server lewyssmith, if you add youself to the qa testers page I'll email you some details
20:38:52 <wilcal> Amazingly I get a good speed 1MB/sec usually
20:38:58 <lewyssmith> I am already on that page
20:39:00 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
20:39:10 <MrsB> that's the one, thanks dave
20:39:21 <MrsB> Did I not emial you lewis?
20:39:28 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Should have gotten an email from Claire with the password for the rsync site.
20:39:48 <MrsB> I'm sorry if you were missed
20:39:49 <lewyssmith> Perhaps I have; I will look back
20:39:53 <Led43-Mag1> lewyssmith: after dl the iso files, we run rysnc after any updates on the iso's to save on Mag's bandwith
20:40:09 <MrsB> if you can't find it, let myself and dave know. One of us will forward it to you
20:40:13 <Schultz> its not the mageia end thats the issue, its my end thats blocking the connection
20:40:27 <MrsB> Schultz: is it working again now?
20:40:27 <bozonius> I added myself just a short time ago
20:40:30 <Led43-Mag1> lewyssmith: there can be daily respins of the iso's to fix found bugs sometimes
20:40:36 <lewyssmith> Led: which is the 'testing site'?
20:40:53 <Schultz> not sure, on windows for uni work....
20:41:12 <MrsB> Dave, could you forward the email to them afterwards please?
20:41:15 <Dragoma> what kernel version does beta 3 use?
20:41:19 <bozonius> so the ISOs are not "frozen" then
20:41:24 <bozonius> ?
20:41:45 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: Not yet.
20:41:53 <bozonius> Led43:  you said daily respins -- that means fresh ISO's, or you mean applying patches by rsync?
20:41:57 <MrsB> The isos usually go through several build before they are released
20:41:59 <Led43-Mag1> lewyssmith: you will be emailed the url along with a p/word
20:42:23 <DavidWHodgins> If you could both send me an email davidwhodgins@gmail.com, I'll reply with the rsync command to use, and the password.
20:42:26 <bozonius> David:  I understand the release is not frozen, but I am just referring to the ISOs
20:42:31 <lewyssmith> Thanks. Sorry if I have inadevertantly asked twice.
20:42:57 <bozonius> so we will be testing the ISOs over and over again for each respin for each beta version
20:43:01 <bozonius> is that right?
20:43:10 <DavidWHodgins> The iso images we test, can get rebuilt to fix bugs we find, before being made available to the public.
20:43:15 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: fresh iso's, but rysnc will only dl the new bits of the iso
20:43:27 <MrsB> #info the live isos are ready for release but installer dvd's and dualcd need more testing
20:43:39 <wilcal> They usually get respun a couple times before released to public
20:43:43 <DavidWHodgins> During beta 1 and 2, I think it was rebuilt 5 times each, before passing qa testing.
20:43:51 <leuhmanu> ennael: if you could make a new dual this evening/tomorrow from my mails
20:43:52 <bozonius> ah, ok.  ty
20:44:05 <bozonius> I'm trying to put together a mental image of the process
20:44:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: ok so why aren't the Live ISO's released alrready then?
20:44:17 <bozonius> that explanation helps alot!@
20:44:19 <bozonius> thanks
20:44:32 <sebsebsebeeepc> releae classic later or not at all for Beta 3
20:44:39 <MrsB> sebsebsebeeepc: tmb is unwell and they are his. He makes torrent files and pushes onto the mirros etc
20:44:44 <Dragoma> with beta 3 I'm going try to break it. then try to fix it.
20:45:07 <Led43-Mag1> we generally release all iso's when good enough, it saves a bit of irc trafic like "where is the dvd"
20:45:13 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: yeah saw you put here that he was unwelll before, but they could be released without a torrent to
20:45:28 <sebsebsebeeepc> Led43-Mag1: sure, but tmb could be unwell over a week
20:45:34 <MrsB> tmb pushes them to the mirros in a sysadminy way
20:46:06 <DavidWHodgins> Hope he's feeling better soon!
20:46:14 <Led43-Mag1> +1
20:46:19 <bozonius> I take it he uses scripts, etc, logging what got pushed, etc?
20:46:30 <MrsB> no idea bozonius
20:46:35 <MrsB> we test, they push
20:46:36 <bozonius> you said sysadminy
20:46:40 <bozonius> got it
20:46:54 <DavidWHodgins> tmb wears many hats.  kernel developer, sysadmin, live iso images builder, etc.
20:47:03 <MrsB> Anybody any questions so far?
20:47:14 <wilcal> I'm kool
20:47:17 <MrsB> yes, you'll soon see everybody has more work than they can handle really
20:47:35 <MrsB> it's why we are always thankful to see new faces :)
20:47:37 <wilcal> Always sounds like one of my old teachers at school
20:47:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:47:56 <MrsB> who does wilcal?
20:47:58 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:48:01 * bozonius raises his hand, forgetting he is NOT in school anymore
20:48:01 <MrsB> Ooo
20:48:24 <wilcal> thank god
20:48:31 <MrsB> For anybody that doesn't know, Luigi12 is David Walser, you'll see alot of him. He builds most of our security updates
20:48:46 <wilcal> Hi Luigi
20:48:51 <DavidWHodgins> I'm working on sssd still.  Will setup script(s)/test procedures for ldap and sssd, like I did for kerberos.
20:48:55 <wilcal> How's Java treat'n you?
20:49:17 <MrsB> Are we all done with java updates now do you think?
20:49:20 <Luigi12_work> lol, well we got new Java's, luckily they're validated...just need tmb to push them
20:49:31 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: next Java updates are supposed to be in April
20:49:35 <wilcal> Sorry Luigi, I got word of yet another(s) Java compromise yesterday
20:49:35 <MrsB> \o/
20:49:44 <MrsB> /o\
20:49:54 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: did you see we might have worked out a testing procedure for sssd that doesn't require an external server or any ldap?
20:50:07 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: yes I saw that, but there's no plans to fix it sooner than April
20:50:13 <wilcal> FWIW Java was NEVER intended for what it's being used for
20:50:22 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, but would rather test with ldap.
20:50:27 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: what does that mean?
20:50:38 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: well the only affected part of the code for this update has nothing to do with ldap
20:50:45 <Luigi12_work> it's simply the homedir creation/deletion code
20:50:45 <wilcal> We used it on appliances as Firmware
20:51:01 <wilcal> Cellphones is another proper usage
20:51:11 <wilcal> Corporate development
20:51:13 <DavidWHodgins> Ok.  I'll look through that.
20:51:30 <MrsB> Where is the procedure Luigi12_work, on the bug?
20:51:31 <wilcal> Never as a browser app on a workstation
20:51:42 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yeah
20:52:10 <MrsB> #info sssd preferably should be tested on local login, procedure on the bug
20:52:11 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: not sure how you mean it wasn't designed for that.  That's been a big part of it since very early on.
20:52:22 <wilcal> FWIW I was part of a 1000's of Java deployments on mandrake/mandriva appliances
20:52:54 <wilcal> Not a good place here to go into all that, I was one of the last Sun Sales people in SoCal
20:52:59 <Luigi12_work> the only higher priority update right now is for git, having to do with SSL cert verification with git-imap-send
20:53:00 <bozonius> Java is also used for Business Logic Engines in the mvc model
20:53:09 <wilcal> Out of Control
20:53:11 <Luigi12_work> I also posted a wireshark update today
20:53:21 <MrsB> #info git is high priority
20:53:28 <Luigi12_work> the PHP one should be held off on, as it yet again is awaiting yet another update
20:53:49 <MrsB> #info php is waiting for another update, hold on that one for now
20:54:04 * Luigi12_work hopes they're aren't 10 more packages to update tomorrow
20:54:10 <MrsB> We can assign that one to oden until he's finished i think
20:54:16 <Luigi12_work> yep
20:54:39 <DavidWHodgins> For everyone who's new, http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates is the main page to use to find out what updates are waiting for qa testing.
20:54:41 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
20:54:56 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have, any questions for me?
20:55:12 <MrsB> and https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates is the process to use whilst testing
20:55:16 <wilcal> I'm done beat'n up on ya
20:55:30 <MrsB> thanks for that Luigi12_work
20:55:44 <MrsB> anybody anything to ask?
20:55:51 <bozonius> me me me
20:55:56 <MrsB> go gog o
20:55:57 <bozonius> call on me, MrsB!
20:56:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:56:12 <bozonius> first question
20:56:20 <oeai> about gnome 3.8?
20:56:22 <bozonius> is there a rubric we are supposed to follow?
20:56:27 <Luigi12_work> oeai: please no
20:56:30 <MrsB> what's a rubric?
20:56:35 <DavidWHodgins> Procedure.
20:56:37 <bozonius> I just mean a test pattenr
20:56:37 <MrsB> ohhh
20:56:40 <bozonius> right
20:56:42 <wilcal> IYa I've got something
20:56:47 <oeai> Luigi12_work: luigi is there anything i can read somewhere?
20:56:58 <Luigi12_work> oeai: about what?
20:57:02 <DavidWHodgins> For package updates, the procedure will vary depending on what the package does
20:57:10 <MrsB> when testign updates follow https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates which explains how to use bugzilla and how to set up your medias etc. It's step by step how to validate.
20:57:11 <oeai> Luigi12_work: about it =)
20:57:14 <DavidWHodgins> For iso testing, I do the following.
20:57:15 <bozonius> I mean, written...
20:57:21 <MrsB> The actual testing we have to work out ourselves though
20:57:27 <bozonius> ok
20:57:29 <DavidWHodgins> For dual cd, both a 32 bit and a 64 bit install.
20:57:30 <bozonius> that's what I was asking
20:57:53 <Luigi12_work> also for package update the procedure can vary depending on what the update is trying to fix (what bug or security problem) and if there is a procedure to reproduce the problem (PoC for security issues)
20:58:04 <DavidWHodgins> For standard installer iso, 3 installs.  One selecting kde, one selecting gnome, and one selecting lxde.
20:58:09 <MrsB> there are some tips and tricks on the wiki and also links on the madb page which show previous updates and searches on the wiki
20:58:36 <lewyssmith> Question: My 64-bit box is EFI. Should that work out of the box?
20:58:37 <DavidWHodgins> For each live iso, test both live mode, and installed to hard drive.
20:59:05 <MrsB> lewyssmith: EFInot yet but it should by the time mageia 3 is released. Secure boot won't though
20:59:06 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Not in efi mode yet.  That's a work in progress.  Have to used bios mode, for now.
21:00:01 <MrsB> Anything else?
21:00:09 <wilcal> Ya one more thing here
21:00:09 <DavidWHodgins> Booting into efi mode is supposed to work now, but not out of the box.  Manual setup still required.  Haven't tested it myself yet though.
21:00:14 <lewyssmith> I dare not mess with BIOS mode on that; have enough problems.
21:00:34 <DavidWHodgins> Go ahead wilcal
21:00:39 <wilcal> If you install from ( Beta3 ) Live-CD you have to manually modify fstab to get NFS things going
21:00:47 <MrsB> tmb is working on that though lewyssmith, he plans to support it in mageia 3
21:00:48 <wilcal> If you install from boot.iso there's no problem
21:01:04 <wilcal> Still some wrinkles in nfs set up
21:01:19 <wilcal> I'll be looking at that again with the new M3B3 isos testing
21:01:20 <DavidWHodgins> Something missing from the live iso?
21:01:28 <MrsB> #info <wilcal> If you install from ( Beta3 ) Live-CD you have to manually modify fstab to get NFS things going
21:01:48 <wilcal> I donno David. I'm not smart enough about it all yet ie no bug yet
21:02:00 <MrsB> wilcal: can you create a bug for that please and email qa-discuss about it too please
21:02:06 <wilcal> more tinkering this weekend
21:02:08 <DavidWHodgins> Or is it just that there's been a package update since the iso images were created?
21:02:10 <bozonius> what sort of issues should be logged to the bug base?
21:02:18 <wilcal> will do take a full install to test it
21:02:27 <bozonius> just defects, UI usability issues, etc?
21:02:35 <MrsB> any bug you find
21:02:40 <bozonius> I mean, how esoteric?
21:02:52 <bozonius> should we test whether avahi works for instance?
21:02:58 <wilcal> Gimme some more time David just note I'm tinkering with it
21:03:16 <Led43-Mag1> or add your experiance of a bug to a bug report for it all ready filed
21:03:17 <MrsB> well, bugs for sure. Any improvements you can suggest too but they'll only be suggestions
21:03:25 <lewyssmith> boz: Clearly the main thing is that IT WORKS. Gripes afterwards.
21:03:35 <bozonius> well, sure, lewy
21:03:38 <DavidWHodgins> bozonius: While learning what makes a good bug report, post any questions about what you think should be reported to the mailing list, for confirmation.
21:03:49 <bozonius> ok, will do
21:03:50 <MrsB> We test what is on the ISO, don't install updates when you install it. Anything which is one the ISo yes test it
21:04:04 <bozonius> ah, ok
21:04:06 <Luigi12_work> for ISOs the main things to test for are things that can't just be fixed later with a package update, things that would need the ISO to be rebuilt to fix
21:04:10 <Led43-Mag1> bozonius: in the early beta's we test for installing errors, as we mover through the beta's we also check apps run
21:04:10 <wilcal> Improvements :-)))) incorporate http://www.lwks.com/ into Mageia 4
21:04:10 <MrsB> thats good advice Dave yes
21:04:12 <[mbot> [ Lightworks ]
21:04:30 <Luigi12_work> but anything that can be tested helps, in case there are any bugs
21:04:33 * bozonius nods
21:04:57 <MrsB> it's our job to try and find bugs before the public
21:05:08 * bozonius smiles at MrsB
21:05:10 <MrsB> morning wrw105
21:05:20 <wrw105> Hi MrsB!
21:05:25 <MrsB> just in time!
21:05:32 <Led43-Mag1> test on as much hardware as posible, internal and external
21:05:33 <lewyssmith> boz: I am only here because I have never got Mageia to fly on my h/w. Very basic...
21:05:44 <bozonius> huh
21:05:44 <DavidWHodgins> Primary purpose of testing iso images, is to ensure they can install a system that can later be updated, as needed.  Nice to ensure as few bugs as possible, bug main thing is that updates can be installed.
21:05:45 <wrw105> Woo Hoo!  Was out on a call for the day job--massage therapist.
21:05:58 <bozonius> lewys did you say you have the kingwin?
21:06:00 <DavidWHodgins> s /bug main/but main/
21:06:02 <oeai> can i ask to test sound themes installation and i need some info on how to package it?
21:06:07 <MrsB> Oh nice, do you do cross atlantic calls?
21:06:25 <wrw105> If you'll cover the airfare I'm game!
21:06:27 <wilcal> FWIW I was  able to get a Mageia 2 -> Mageia 3 update successful a couple weeks ago
21:06:29 <MrsB> oeai: the best place is atelier until it's been included
21:06:29 <lewyssmith> What is 'kingwin'?
21:06:39 <bozonius> never mind, sorry.
21:07:00 <wilcal> Kingwin a manufacturer of removeable hard drive subsystems
21:07:01 <oeai> MrsB: we were discussing it, but you say about testing before public
21:07:18 <MrsB> oeai: yes, we test the ISOs when they're built
21:07:28 <Luigi12_work> yeah I want to test upgrades again too, but now holding off since someone sabotaged something and I'm waiting for help to get it fixed
21:07:36 <MrsB> when it's on an iso, maybe beta4 we'll be able to test it for you
21:07:37 <lewyssmith> BEFORE they hit the public!
21:08:16 <DavidWHodgins> oeai: We don't normally test artwork or sound, before the packages are made available in cauldron.  We test the iso images before those go public.
21:08:16 <oeai> well guys it's not for me i got it working in my own
21:08:17 <oeai> bb
21:08:24 <Schultz> oeai: for packaging help I would ask on mageia-dev
21:08:28 <bozonius> I suppose I could fiddle with the different options in VM.  Like changing the SATA card to an IDE card, increasing/decreasing memory, etc
21:08:38 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:08:51 <wilcal> I'm good
21:09:12 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.  Chatting can continue after the meeting, but I think that's it for the meeting.
21:09:29 <lewyssmith> N
21:09:30 <bozonius> would that be helpful?
21:09:37 <MrsB> Well, thankyou all for coming. Welcome again to our new members, make yourself at home and get stuck in!
21:09:44 <MrsB> Same time next week
21:09:47 <MrsB> #endmeeting