20:03:40 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:03:40 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Feb 28 20:03:40 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:40 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:42 <Led43-Mag1> Kernewes: can't be helped and won't be for long 20:03:57 <MrsB> hi all welcome to another weekly meet 20:04:00 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:04:00 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:04:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 20:04:22 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today? 20:04:30 * MrsB checks the list 20:04:55 <MrsB> Led43-Mag1: are you new? :P 20:05:30 <MrsB> nobody new :( 20:05:32 <Led43-Mag1> yep, I'm from the midlands uk ;) 20:05:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Leadership elections 20:05:48 <MrsB> Ahh yes 20:05:50 <MrsB> thanks 20:06:27 <MrsB> so if you remember we said last week that we would allow until the end of Febraury for anybody wishing to be a candidate for team leader/deputy to announce it 20:07:16 <sebsebseb> hi 20:07:23 <MrsB> #info If you are thinking about being a candidate for either of the leadership roles please say so today, it's the last day! 20:07:26 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone else interested? So far, MrsB and I are the only candidates. 20:07:29 * Led43-Mag1 will be voting for who he thinks is best for the distro 20:07:46 <sebsebseb> there's only two can didates 20:07:48 <MrsB> hi sebsebseb 20:07:53 <sebsebseb> looks like MrsB is leader again and DavidWHodgins the deputy leader 20:07:55 <wilcal> hi seb 20:07:59 <wilcal> Great crew 20:08:00 <MrsB> well, we'll see 20:08:02 <Kernewes> fine by me 20:08:09 <lewyssmith> & me 20:08:16 <sebsebseb> however put yourself forward if you want to be one of them to others here 20:09:01 <MrsB> I'll email the list tomorrow or day after and suggest a way forward, depending if there are any other candidates 20:09:08 <sebsebseb> oh lewyssmith is lewis 20:09:14 <MrsB> hi dvg 20:09:27 <dvg> Hi MrsB 20:09:41 <lewyssmith> seb: correct 20:10:01 <MrsB> #info if you wish to be a candidate please reply on the ML 20:10:11 <sebsebseb> lewyssmith: did the thing that showed me in Konversation :d hovered over nick, wasn't sure who you were 20:10:35 <MrsB> everybody clear about this, it's important 20:10:48 <wilcal> All clear here 20:10:48 <lewyssmith> Yes 20:10:53 <Kernewes> yes 20:10:58 <MrsB> great :) 20:11:03 <Led43-Mag1> Y 20:11:12 <MrsB> lets move on then 20:11:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 3 20:11:19 <MrsB> thanks Dave 20:11:41 <MrsB> Beta 3 is due for release on March 5th 20:12:03 <MrsB> We should really begin testing soon if we're going to release on time 20:12:16 <sebsebseb> yep 20:12:19 <MrsB> tmb ennael any info on this please? 20:12:20 <wilcal> I tried both of those early LiveCD's and both worked for me 20:12:50 <Led43-Mag1> I will have to bow out of this round of iso testing, though if i have a spare half hour i will do a test or two, so it will be worth giving me a p/word 20:12:52 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: In live mode, yes, but after installing, needed the fixed dracut. 20:12:54 <lewyssmith> Are live CDs as useful as the install DVD for QA? 20:13:04 <tmb> livecds will be out tonight, and ennael is working on traditional install isos 20:13:20 <MrsB> they all have to be tested lewyssmith before they're released 20:13:28 <MrsB> thanks tmb 20:13:36 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Same password? 20:13:59 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: yep 20:14:10 <MrsB> #info livecds will be out tonight, and ennael is working on traditional install isos, same password as pre-pre-livecds 20:14:15 <MrsB> hi wrw105 20:14:23 <wrw105> Hi MrsB 20:14:25 <Led43-Mag1> so i can use the same rycinc command? 20:14:33 <MrsB> yes 20:14:53 <MrsB> not the same password as beta2, the same password as the two livecd's from a few days ago 20:14:54 <Kernewes> I don't think I'll be able to do any beta3 testing because of other commitments 20:15:00 <wilcal> will the new iso's be up after about 4 hours after this meeting 20:15:08 * Led43-Mag1 is lazy typist so uses bash completion 20:15:22 <MrsB> Led43-Mag1: try the dorsync script 20:15:34 <Led43-Mag1> MrsB: ok 20:16:20 <MrsB> #info could anybody wishing to help with pre-release testing ensure their details are up to date here please.. 20:16:32 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers 20:16:43 <lewyssmith> When you say March 5th for b3, is this for publicly downloadable? 20:16:50 * sebsebseb thinks he will test the GNOME ISO at least, even though the 3.6.2 and 3.8 stuff, where GNOME classic mode isn't a big issue probably, since GNOME can run without 3D accerlaton :) 20:16:53 <MrsB> #info if you change any details, please let me know so I can update my email list 20:17:21 <MrsB> lewyssmith: yes, when we hope to push it out for public release 20:17:37 <MrsB> we pre-release test the isos before that 20:18:32 <MrsB> any questions/comments etc on this? 20:19:08 <wilcal> I'll try and get the new iso's in about 5-hours 20:19:39 <MrsB> There should be an announcement on the ML about them when they land wilcal, it should have a link to the pad aswell 20:19:44 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Watch the mailing list. 20:20:01 <wilcal> will http://bn.parinux.org/p/mageia3beta3 be working 20:20:02 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ] 20:20:35 <MrsB> #info please create bugs against Cauldron for any you find and add 3beta3 to the whiteboard field 20:20:44 <wilcal> k 20:21:16 <MrsB> #info if you find a serious blocker also email the ML and either tmb for livecd's/dvds or ennael for classic dvds/dualcd 20:22:20 <wilcal> A LOT of things have been cleaned up 20:22:26 <MrsB> Anybody any questions about beta3 ? 20:23:15 <MrsB> I'll email everybody again when it's out as I know there are some who don't watch the ml 20:23:38 <MrsB> let's move on if everyone is ok 20:23:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:24:02 <MrsB> thanks Dave 20:24:07 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping 20:24:51 <MrsB> no zebedee today 20:25:03 <wilcal> Lets all give a hand to Luigi, two more Java compromises announced yesterday 20:25:13 <MrsB> woohoo! 20:25:29 <DavidWHodgins> Also sudo and php updates available today. 20:25:41 <wilcal> \o/ 20:25:50 <Luigi12_work> boo 20:26:02 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: what !? 20:26:02 * Led43-Mag1 hides under desk 20:26:04 <tmb> there will be a full 3.4.34 kernel set going through updates too, as it contains a severe privilegie escalation... 20:26:07 <DavidWHodgins> We woke him up. :-) 20:26:15 <wilcal> Is Java driving you crazy Luigi? 20:26:19 <MrsB> ack 20:26:27 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: you can't be serious 20:26:33 <MrsB> #info another new kernel is coming 20:26:44 <wilcal> Yep herd it on a security podcast today 20:26:51 <Luigi12_work> we just updated 1.6.0 again and 1.7.0 has had an update pending for over a week and is held up because it doesn't build in Cauldron 20:27:05 * Luigi12_work kills Java 20:27:10 <MrsB> \o/ 20:27:35 <Luigi12_work> and another kernel update? I hate rebooting :o( 20:27:36 <wrw105> On the plus side, it looks like Oracle is actually paying attention now.... 20:28:06 <Luigi12_work> ok anyway yes a new sudo update I posted today is a high severity security issue 20:28:13 <MrsB> well they would do after firefox decided to block java 20:28:27 <Luigi12_work> PHP fixes a few security issues (I need to change the component to Security there...) and is ready now 20:28:29 <sebsebseb> MrsB: Firefox decided to block Java what? link? 20:28:38 <Luigi12_work> sebsebseb: this is old news 20:28:42 <wrw105> If the sudo isn't looked at by morning (east coast US) I'll take a look at it then. 20:28:55 <Luigi12_work> I'll test PHP on 32-bit maybe tomorrow or at least next week if nobody beats me to it (Oden is the packager) 20:29:02 <MrsB> #info Sudo is coming, high severity update 20:29:07 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: well sometimes you miss bigish stories, evne when trying to be reasaobnly up to date with Linux etc news 20:29:11 <Luigi12_work> s/coming/available/ for sudo 20:29:19 <MrsB> #undo 20:29:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x8320acc> 20:29:21 <DavidWHodgins> I'll look at sudo right after the meeting. 20:29:27 <Luigi12_work> sebsebseb: it's not Linux news, it's Windows news 20:29:32 <Luigi12_work> anyway 20:29:32 <MrsB> #info Sudo is available, high severity update 20:29:33 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: I hadn't come across that either 20:29:35 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: oh 20:29:46 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: maybe since it's Windows news appanatly, why we missed it, that would explain it I guess 20:29:53 <MrsB> #info PHP is ready for testing, along with all the other bits n bobs 20:29:53 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: yeah 20:30:06 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: could you add an rpm list to that bug when you get time pls 20:30:28 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yes I will (can't promise today but tomorrow at the latest I will) 20:30:35 <MrsB> thanks 20:30:49 <Luigi12_work> we might need to ask on the mageia-discuss list if anyone uses sssd for help with testing 20:30:52 <DavidWHodgins> I see cyrus-imapd in updates testing too. 20:31:11 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: yes Colin fixed some bugs there because some patches had been dropped that shouldn't have been 20:31:22 <MrsB> it seems broken Luigi12_work, it no worky 20:31:25 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: I haven't searched bugzilla for a bug, maybe he forgot to assign QA 20:31:28 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: ahh 20:31:32 <Luigi12_work> ok maybe it's still WIP 20:32:12 <MrsB> from what I've read sssd is difficult to test without messing up your system so it's not something to be messed around with unless you know what you're doing 20:32:32 <MrsB> should have a working default config really 20:32:43 <MrsB> something we're finding more and more recently 20:33:53 <Luigi12_work> well sssd would need something to authenticate against I would guess 20:34:06 <Luigi12_work> i.e. an ldap server somewhere on your network 20:34:15 <MrsB> it can be used on regular systems 20:34:28 <Luigi12_work> I didn't say anything to contradict that 20:34:36 <Luigi12_work> there's no way to get around that something like needing configuration after installation 20:34:49 <Luigi12_work> nss_ldap would be the same deal (this is a replacement for that) 20:34:51 <MrsB> well, there is, it could work on a regular system 20:35:00 * Luigi12_work doesn't follow 20:35:30 <sebsebseb> hi Stormi 20:35:32 <MrsB> anyway, if it's going to require an ldap setup we are unlikely to be testing that side of it and should validate on install/update only 20:35:45 <Luigi12_work> please don't 20:36:04 <Luigi12_work> this was an invasive rediff that I did a lot by hand and can't guarantee it's not completely broken 20:36:05 <DavidWHodgins> ldap is a pain, but doable. I'll look at it, probably tomorrow. 20:36:23 <MrsB> ok Dave. be careful with it. 20:36:40 <Luigi12_work> if you know how to do it, it's not too hard to set up an LDAP server to test it against, if you haven't done that before it's not easy to learn at first :o) 20:37:01 <MrsB> it might be somethign we should document womewhere 20:37:03 <Luigi12_work> Vincent Danen (formerly security manager at Mandriva, now security manager at RedHat) has a page on his site explaining how to set it up 20:37:08 <MrsB> somewhere* even 20:37:43 <Luigi12_work> hmm guess there's a bot missing in -dev 20:37:51 <Luigi12_work> hold on 20:39:01 <Luigi12_work> it's not perfect, and all the stuff about pam is unnecessary, but it's a good resource http://linsec.ca/Using_OpenLDAP_for_User_Authentication 20:39:02 <[mbot> [ linsec.ca - Using OpenLDAP for User Authentication ] 20:39:28 <MrsB> http://linsec.ca/Using_OpenLDAP_for_User_Authentication should show how to set up an ldap to test with 20:39:29 <[mbot> [ linsec.ca - Using OpenLDAP for User Authentication ] 20:39:39 <MrsB> thanks for that 20:39:41 <wilcal> It appears that openldap is installed on this M2 box 20:40:02 <wilcal> is that by default 20:40:16 <MrsB> yes, it's slapd etc wthat will need configuring etc 20:40:32 <MrsB> thanks for that then Luigi12_work 20:40:37 <wilcal> I have installed apache and proftp on this is that how it got in 20:40:45 <MrsB> lets go on 20:41:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything Else? 20:41:39 <MrsB> Thanks, you beat me to it 20:41:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:42:06 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:42:09 <Kernewes> no 20:42:11 <sebsebseb> MrsB: I can think of one thing maybe heh heh 20:42:11 <Led43-Mag1> not here 20:42:12 <wilcal> Yes I have one more thing 20:42:12 <lewyssmith> no 20:42:25 <MrsB> sebsebseb: you first then 20:42:39 <sebsebseb> MrsB: nah I meant more as a joke, since it's no treally QA's decision anyway 20:42:43 <MrsB> d'oh! 20:42:57 <MrsB> wilcal, fire away :) 20:43:02 <sebsebseb> GNOME 3.8 in Mageia 3 instead of 3.6.2 :) 20:43:04 * Led43-Mag1 was holding his breath for a sebsebseb rant 20:43:07 <Luigi12_work> topic: Sandro's company party 20:43:11 <MrsB> lol 20:43:12 <wilcal> Why is 7803 Webmin - Security Vulnerability still on http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 20:43:14 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 20:43:15 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: heh heh 20:43:18 <sebsebseb> wrong one 20:43:20 <sebsebseb> Led43-Mag1: heh heh 20:43:31 <MrsB> it was waiting on a response 20:43:55 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: could you have a peek at that please 20:43:55 <wilcal> I put a message in the white board that I had tested it successfully 20:43:57 <Luigi12_work> well I responded, but I probably need to look at it a little more 20:44:04 <Luigi12_work> so I'll hopefully get to that next week 20:44:05 <wilcal> plus it works just fine in M3 20:44:29 <Luigi12_work> yeah it works, and I will not suggest a bunch of perl modules, but if it tries to download them from CPAN, that's not good 20:44:31 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi 20:44:44 <MrsB> I replied to your response iinm, it might need suggests. those bits might not be needed though 20:44:58 <Luigi12_work> there are some patches that stop it from trying to download other things and make it give a message to install the mdv/mga package instead, so it might need more of this 20:45:14 <MrsB> ok, leave it with you then 20:45:16 <Luigi12_work> it'd be nicer if it could just urpmi the dang packages it needs itself, especially since webmin does have that ability elsewhere 20:45:30 <Luigi12_work> so anyway it needs another look when I have time 20:45:40 <MrsB> the urpmi side of it does work, strange it cpan's the perl modules really 20:46:07 <Luigi12_work> yeah 20:46:17 <MrsB> so, is there anything else else? 20:46:24 <wilcal> not from me 20:46:31 <Kernewes> no 20:46:32 <Luigi12_work> party time,....I mean no not here 20:46:36 <MrsB> lol 20:46:40 <Led43-Mag1> nope 20:46:49 <MrsB> #info Party time at Sandro's place ;) 20:47:08 <MrsB> Thanks for coming then guys! Same time next week :) 20:47:14 <MrsB> #endmeeting