20:03:40 <MrsB> #startmeeting
20:03:40 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Feb 28 20:03:40 2013 UTC.  The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:03:42 <Led43-Mag1> Kernewes: can't be helped and won't be for long
20:03:57 <MrsB> hi all welcome to another weekly meet
20:04:00 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:04:00 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:04:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:04:22 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:04:30 * MrsB checks the list
20:04:55 <MrsB> Led43-Mag1: are you new? :P
20:05:30 <MrsB> nobody new :(
20:05:32 <Led43-Mag1> yep, I'm from the midlands uk ;)
20:05:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Leadership elections
20:05:48 <MrsB> Ahh yes
20:05:50 <MrsB> thanks
20:06:27 <MrsB> so if you remember we said last week that we would allow until the end of Febraury for anybody wishing to be a candidate for team leader/deputy to announce it
20:07:16 <sebsebseb> hi
20:07:23 <MrsB> #info If you are thinking about being a candidate for either of the leadership roles please say so today, it's the last day!
20:07:26 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone else interested?  So far, MrsB and I are the only candidates.
20:07:29 * Led43-Mag1 will be voting for who he thinks is best for the distro
20:07:46 <sebsebseb> there's only two can didates
20:07:48 <MrsB> hi sebsebseb
20:07:53 <sebsebseb> looks like MrsB is leader again and DavidWHodgins the deputy leader
20:07:55 <wilcal> hi seb
20:07:59 <wilcal> Great crew
20:08:00 <MrsB> well, we'll see
20:08:02 <Kernewes> fine by me
20:08:09 <lewyssmith> & me
20:08:16 <sebsebseb> however put yourself forward if you want to be one of them to others here
20:09:01 <MrsB> I'll email the list tomorrow or day after and suggest a way forward, depending if there are any other candidates
20:09:08 <sebsebseb> oh lewyssmith is lewis
20:09:14 <MrsB> hi dvg
20:09:27 <dvg> Hi MrsB
20:09:41 <lewyssmith> seb: correct
20:10:01 <MrsB> #info if you wish to be a candidate please reply on the ML
20:10:11 <sebsebseb> lewyssmith: did the thing that showed me in Konversation :d  hovered over nick, wasn't sure who you were
20:10:35 <MrsB> everybody clear about this, it's important
20:10:48 <wilcal> All clear here
20:10:48 <lewyssmith> Yes
20:10:53 <Kernewes> yes
20:10:58 <MrsB> great :)
20:11:03 <Led43-Mag1> Y
20:11:12 <MrsB> lets move on then
20:11:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 3
20:11:19 <MrsB> thanks Dave
20:11:41 <MrsB> Beta 3 is due for release on March 5th
20:12:03 <MrsB> We should really begin testing soon if we're going to release on time
20:12:16 <sebsebseb> yep
20:12:19 <MrsB> tmb ennael any info on this please?
20:12:20 <wilcal> I tried both of those early LiveCD's and both worked for me
20:12:50 <Led43-Mag1> I will have to bow out of this round of iso testing, though if i have a spare half hour i will do a test or two, so it will be worth giving me a p/word
20:12:52 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: In live mode, yes, but after installing, needed the fixed dracut.
20:12:54 <lewyssmith> Are live CDs as useful as the install DVD for QA?
20:13:04 <tmb> livecds will be out tonight, and ennael is working on traditional install isos
20:13:20 <MrsB> they all have to be tested lewyssmith before they're released
20:13:28 <MrsB> thanks tmb
20:13:36 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Same password?
20:13:59 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: yep
20:14:10 <MrsB> #info livecds will be out tonight, and ennael is working on traditional install isos, same password as pre-pre-livecds
20:14:15 <MrsB> hi wrw105
20:14:23 <wrw105> Hi MrsB
20:14:25 <Led43-Mag1> so i can use the same rycinc command?
20:14:33 <MrsB> yes
20:14:53 <MrsB> not the same password as beta2, the same password as the two livecd's from a few days ago
20:14:54 <Kernewes> I don't think I'll be able to do any beta3 testing because of other commitments
20:15:00 <wilcal> will the new iso's be up after about 4 hours after this meeting
20:15:08 * Led43-Mag1 is lazy typist so uses bash completion
20:15:22 <MrsB> Led43-Mag1: try the dorsync script
20:15:34 <Led43-Mag1> MrsB: ok
20:16:20 <MrsB> #info could anybody wishing to help with pre-release testing ensure their details are up to date here please..
20:16:32 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
20:16:43 <lewyssmith> When you say March 5th for b3, is this for publicly downloadable?
20:16:50 * sebsebseb thinks he will test the GNOME ISO at least, even though the 3.6.2 and 3.8 stuff, where GNOME classic mode isn't a big issue probably,  since GNOME can run without  3D accerlaton :)
20:16:53 <MrsB> #info if you change any details, please let me know so I can update my email list
20:17:21 <MrsB> lewyssmith: yes, when we hope to push it out for public release
20:17:37 <MrsB> we pre-release test the isos before that
20:18:32 <MrsB> any questions/comments etc on this?
20:19:08 <wilcal> I'll try and get the new iso's in about 5-hours
20:19:39 <MrsB> There should be an announcement on the ML about them when they land wilcal, it should have a link to the pad aswell
20:19:44 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Watch the mailing list.
20:20:01 <wilcal> will http://bn.parinux.org/p/mageia3beta3 be working
20:20:02 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ]
20:20:35 <MrsB> #info please create bugs against Cauldron for any you find and add 3beta3 to the whiteboard field
20:20:44 <wilcal> k
20:21:16 <MrsB> #info if you find a serious blocker also email the ML and either tmb for livecd's/dvds or ennael for classic dvds/dualcd
20:22:20 <wilcal> A LOT of things have been cleaned up
20:22:26 <MrsB> Anybody any questions about beta3 ?
20:23:15 <MrsB> I'll email everybody again when it's out as I know there are some who don't watch the ml
20:23:38 <MrsB> let's move on if everyone is ok
20:23:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:24:02 <MrsB> thanks Dave
20:24:07 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping
20:24:51 <MrsB> no zebedee today
20:25:03 <wilcal> Lets all give a hand to Luigi, two more Java compromises announced yesterday
20:25:13 <MrsB> woohoo!
20:25:29 <DavidWHodgins> Also sudo and php updates available today.
20:25:41 <wilcal> \o/
20:25:50 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:26:02 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: what !?
20:26:02 * Led43-Mag1 hides under desk
20:26:04 <tmb> there will be a full 3.4.34 kernel set going through updates too, as it contains a severe privilegie escalation...
20:26:07 <DavidWHodgins> We woke him up. :-)
20:26:15 <wilcal> Is Java driving you crazy Luigi?
20:26:19 <MrsB> ack
20:26:27 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: you can't be serious
20:26:33 <MrsB> #info another new kernel is coming
20:26:44 <wilcal> Yep herd it on a security podcast today
20:26:51 <Luigi12_work> we just updated 1.6.0 again and 1.7.0 has had an update pending for over a week and is held up because it doesn't build in Cauldron
20:27:05 * Luigi12_work kills Java
20:27:10 <MrsB> \o/
20:27:35 <Luigi12_work> and another kernel update?  I hate rebooting :o(
20:27:36 <wrw105> On the plus side, it looks like Oracle is actually paying attention now....
20:28:06 <Luigi12_work> ok anyway yes a new sudo update I posted today is a high severity security issue
20:28:13 <MrsB> well they would do after firefox decided to block java
20:28:27 <Luigi12_work> PHP fixes a few security issues (I need to change the component to Security there...) and is ready now
20:28:29 <sebsebseb> MrsB: Firefox decided to block Java what? link?
20:28:38 <Luigi12_work> sebsebseb: this is old news
20:28:42 <wrw105> If the sudo isn't looked at by morning (east coast US) I'll take a look at it then.
20:28:55 <Luigi12_work> I'll test PHP on 32-bit maybe tomorrow or at least next week if nobody beats me to it (Oden is the packager)
20:29:02 <MrsB> #info Sudo is coming, high severity update
20:29:07 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: well sometimes you miss bigish stories,  evne when trying to be reasaobnly up to date with Linux etc news
20:29:11 <Luigi12_work> s/coming/available/ for sudo
20:29:19 <MrsB> #undo
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20:29:21 <DavidWHodgins> I'll look at sudo right after the meeting.
20:29:27 <Luigi12_work> sebsebseb: it's not Linux news, it's Windows news
20:29:32 <Luigi12_work> anyway
20:29:32 <MrsB> #info Sudo is available, high severity update
20:29:33 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: I hadn't come across that either
20:29:35 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: oh
20:29:46 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: maybe since it's Windows news appanatly, why we missed it, that would explain it I guess
20:29:53 <MrsB> #info PHP is ready for testing, along with all the other bits n bobs
20:29:53 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: yeah
20:30:06 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: could you add an rpm list to that bug when you get time pls
20:30:28 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yes I will (can't promise today but tomorrow at the latest I will)
20:30:35 <MrsB> thanks
20:30:49 <Luigi12_work> we might need to ask on the mageia-discuss list if anyone uses sssd for help with testing
20:30:52 <DavidWHodgins> I see cyrus-imapd in updates testing too.
20:31:11 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: yes Colin fixed some bugs there because some patches had been dropped that shouldn't have been
20:31:22 <MrsB> it seems broken Luigi12_work, it no worky
20:31:25 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: I haven't searched bugzilla for a bug, maybe he forgot to assign QA
20:31:28 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: ahh
20:31:32 <Luigi12_work> ok maybe it's still WIP
20:32:12 <MrsB> from what I've read sssd is difficult to test without messing up your system so it's not something to be messed around with unless you know what you're doing
20:32:32 <MrsB> should have a working default config really
20:32:43 <MrsB> something we're finding more and more recently
20:33:53 <Luigi12_work> well sssd would need something to authenticate against I would guess
20:34:06 <Luigi12_work> i.e. an ldap server somewhere on your network
20:34:15 <MrsB> it can be used on regular systems
20:34:28 <Luigi12_work> I didn't say anything to contradict that
20:34:36 <Luigi12_work> there's no way to get around that something like needing configuration after installation
20:34:49 <Luigi12_work> nss_ldap would be the same deal (this is a replacement for that)
20:34:51 <MrsB> well, there is, it could work on a regular system
20:35:00 * Luigi12_work doesn't follow
20:35:30 <sebsebseb> hi Stormi
20:35:32 <MrsB> anyway, if it's going to require an ldap setup we are unlikely to be testing that side of it and should validate on install/update only
20:35:45 <Luigi12_work> please don't
20:36:04 <Luigi12_work> this was an invasive rediff that I did a lot by hand and can't guarantee it's not completely broken
20:36:05 <DavidWHodgins> ldap is a pain, but doable.  I'll look at it, probably tomorrow.
20:36:23 <MrsB> ok Dave. be careful with it.
20:36:40 <Luigi12_work> if you know how to do it, it's not too hard to set up an LDAP server to test it against, if you haven't done that before it's not easy to learn at first :o)
20:37:01 <MrsB> it might be somethign we should document womewhere
20:37:03 <Luigi12_work> Vincent Danen (formerly security manager at Mandriva, now security manager at RedHat) has a page on his site explaining how to set it up
20:37:08 <MrsB> somewhere* even
20:37:43 <Luigi12_work> hmm guess there's a bot missing in -dev
20:37:51 <Luigi12_work> hold on
20:39:01 <Luigi12_work> it's not perfect, and all the stuff about pam is unnecessary, but it's a good resource http://linsec.ca/Using_OpenLDAP_for_User_Authentication
20:39:02 <[mbot> [ linsec.ca - Using OpenLDAP for User Authentication ]
20:39:28 <MrsB> http://linsec.ca/Using_OpenLDAP_for_User_Authentication should show how to set up an ldap to test with
20:39:29 <[mbot> [ linsec.ca - Using OpenLDAP for User Authentication ]
20:39:39 <MrsB> thanks for that
20:39:41 <wilcal> It appears that openldap is installed on this M2 box
20:40:02 <wilcal> is that by default
20:40:16 <MrsB> yes, it's slapd etc wthat will need configuring etc
20:40:32 <MrsB> thanks for that then Luigi12_work
20:40:37 <wilcal> I have installed apache and proftp on this is that how it got in
20:40:45 <MrsB> lets go on
20:41:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything Else?
20:41:39 <MrsB> Thanks, you beat me to it
20:41:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:42:06 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
20:42:09 <Kernewes> no
20:42:11 <sebsebseb> MrsB: I can think of one thing maybe heh heh
20:42:11 <Led43-Mag1> not here
20:42:12 <wilcal> Yes I have one more thing
20:42:12 <lewyssmith> no
20:42:25 <MrsB> sebsebseb: you first then
20:42:39 <sebsebseb> MrsB: nah I meant more as a joke, since it's no treally QA's decision anyway
20:42:43 <MrsB> d'oh!
20:42:57 <MrsB> wilcal, fire away :)
20:43:02 <sebsebseb> GNOME 3.8 in Mageia 3 instead of 3.6.2 :)
20:43:04 * Led43-Mag1 was holding his breath for a sebsebseb rant
20:43:07 <Luigi12_work> topic: Sandro's company party
20:43:11 <MrsB> lol
20:43:12 <wilcal> Why is 7803 Webmin - Security Vulnerability still on http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:43:14 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
20:43:15 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: heh heh
20:43:18 <sebsebseb> wrong one
20:43:20 <sebsebseb> Led43-Mag1:  heh heh
20:43:31 <MrsB> it was waiting on a response
20:43:55 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: could you have a peek at that please
20:43:55 <wilcal> I put a message in the white board that I had tested it successfully
20:43:57 <Luigi12_work> well I responded, but I probably need to look at it a little more
20:44:04 <Luigi12_work> so I'll hopefully get to that next week
20:44:05 <wilcal> plus it works just fine in M3
20:44:29 <Luigi12_work> yeah it works, and I will not suggest a bunch of perl modules, but if it tries to download them from CPAN, that's not good
20:44:31 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi
20:44:44 <MrsB> I replied to your response iinm, it might need suggests. those bits might not be needed though
20:44:58 <Luigi12_work> there are some patches that stop it from trying to download other things and make it give a message to install the mdv/mga package instead, so it might need more of this
20:45:14 <MrsB> ok, leave it with you then
20:45:16 <Luigi12_work> it'd be nicer if it could just urpmi the dang packages it needs itself, especially since webmin does have that ability elsewhere
20:45:30 <Luigi12_work> so anyway it needs another look when I have time
20:45:40 <MrsB> the urpmi side of it does work, strange it cpan's the perl modules really
20:46:07 <Luigi12_work> yeah
20:46:17 <MrsB> so, is there anything else else?
20:46:24 <wilcal> not from me
20:46:31 <Kernewes> no
20:46:32 <Luigi12_work> party time,....I mean no not here
20:46:36 <MrsB> lol
20:46:40 <Led43-Mag1> nope
20:46:49 <MrsB> #info Party time at Sandro's place ;)
20:47:08 <MrsB> Thanks for coming then guys! Same time next week :)
20:47:14 <MrsB> #endmeeting