20:03:49 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:03:49 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Feb 21 20:03:49 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:49 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:06 <MrsB> Welcome to the meeting everybody 20:04:15 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:04:15 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:04:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 20:04:21 <MrsB> thanks 20:04:34 <MrsB> Is there anybody here today for the first time? 20:04:43 <lewyssmith> Me, Lewis Smith 20:04:50 <MrsB> Hi lewis! 20:04:58 <MrsB> Welcome to the team 20:05:05 <wilcal> Where from Lewis? 20:05:14 <lewyssmith> France 20:05:26 <MrsB> I'm claire that you'll see on bugzilla and the mailing list etc 20:05:33 <MrsB> I'm uk 20:05:44 <MrsB> Say a line to introduce yourself and the others will do the same 20:05:50 <DavidWHodgins> Hi Lewis. I'm Dave Hodgins from London Ontario, Canada. Background is in mainframe software development. Been with Mageia qa since Mageia 1 alpha 1. 20:06:02 <sebsebseb> ok back with Orange Squash 20:06:07 <sebsebseb> hi 20:06:12 <MrsB> hi sebsebseb 20:06:24 <wilcal> I'm in San Diego CA and started with Mandrake back in 98 20:06:25 <lewyssmith> My background also was mainframe s/w: maintenance. Retired now. 20:06:39 <wilcal> Computer Engineer ( 68 ) 20:06:46 <sebsebseb> evening MrsB always evening on the Internet 20:07:08 <sebsebseb> lewyssmith: I am in England 20:07:41 <MrsB> How are you finding QA so far Lewis? 20:07:58 <MrsB> did you subscribe the the mailing lists? 20:08:53 <wilcal> FWIW lew helping to develop a Linux Distro keeps us retiree's sharp 20:08:54 <lewyssmith> Too early to say. My level is minimal: does Mageai work? Not yet, for me. 20:09:21 <MrsB> that's ok we're here to help 20:09:26 <lewyssmith> I did subscribe to the mailing lists, but the bug one loses me. 20:09:36 <sebsebseb> lewyssmith: Mageia is buggy for you? 20:09:53 <wilcal> Mageia 2 is very solid now, Cauldron ( Mageia 3 ) is well in development 20:09:55 <sebsebseb> lewyssmith: the QA bugs one you don't need to pay that much attention to it just yet 20:10:07 <MrsB> It's always quite a steep learning curve at first, please don't be put off though, we can teach you all you need to know :) 20:10:08 <sebsebseb> QA discuss is main one for QA 20:10:08 <lewyssmith> seb: Never got it work. Mandriva was my favourite Linux previously. 20:10:15 <MrsB> sebsebseb: umm no 20:10:20 <MrsB> qa bugs is the main one 20:10:34 <sebsebseb> MrsB: for a new one I meant, maybe Discuss is better to focus on at first, then bugs later 20:10:38 <sebsebseb> a new person 20:10:43 <MrsB> sebsebseb: nope 20:10:46 <wilcal> Mandrake/Mandriva were very respected in their times 20:11:21 <MrsB> our work entails testing updates. The qa-bugs shows comments from all the bugs assigned to us 20:11:42 <MrsB> it will probably seem confusing at first but please stick with it 20:12:06 <MrsB> watching qa-bugs will help to give you an idea how we do the task of testing the updates 20:12:24 <sebsebseb> hi oeai here then :) 20:12:32 <MrsB> there are some wiki pages aswell and if you like somebody can spend time with you and guide you as you do your first few 20:12:32 <oeai> hi =) 20:12:36 <sebsebseb> ok so oeai might be interested in helping a bit with QA actually, dno't know quite 20:12:43 <MrsB> hi oeai 20:12:44 <lewyssmith> I repeat: my simple objective is "Does it work?". That is what matters above all. 20:12:54 <oeai> )) 20:12:55 <MrsB> we'll get it installed for you first though of course 20:13:37 <MrsB> the best way to install mageia 2 is using a livecd as it has nonfree drivers on it and some hardware won't work without those 20:13:42 <sebsebseb> oeai: that's what qA does, tests loads of development installs and updates :) 20:14:02 <lewyssmith> I have installed loads of Linux's. However, a new battle for all is EFI which I have yet to master. 20:14:13 <wilcal> My thing is ground up install and Multimedia apps 20:14:16 <sebsebseb> lewyssmith: UEFI secure boot, Mageia doesnt' support it at all yet 20:14:31 <sebsebseb> may have some kind of support for Mageia 4 though 20:14:35 <oeai> sebsebseb: ty i'll see what this is about 20:14:49 <sebsebseb> oeai: yep :) 20:15:00 <lewyssmith> Secure boot one can mostly ignore at present. Getting EFI to fly first, eh? 20:15:04 <DavidWHodgins> Secure boot motherboards have only been available for about 6 months. There are uefi motherboards without secure boot though. 20:15:27 <MrsB> oeai: This is us: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team 20:15:28 <DavidWHodgins> Mine supports either uefi or bios. Only been using bios so far. 20:15:56 <lewyssmith> Mostly Intel-type secure boot can be disabled. But NOT in ARM systems. 20:16:12 <MrsB> we don't officially support arm yet 20:16:27 <sebsebseb> nope, but apparnatly there will be a sort of offical build thing for Mageia 3 or whatever 20:16:31 <lewyssmith> So secure boot is not yet urgent 20:16:32 <sebsebseb> development 20:16:46 <MrsB> it will be available for mga3 I believe though but should be considered experimental still 20:16:54 <sebsebseb> yep that's what I meant :) 20:17:12 <MrsB> anyway, shall we move on? 20:17:15 <DavidWHodgins> #topic New release planning 20:17:17 <sebsebseb> yep 20:17:25 <MrsB> thanks Dave 20:17:40 <MrsB> Have you all seen the announcments now? 20:17:49 <wilcal> Wow big push out on dates 20:17:54 <sebsebseb> Mageia 3 delaeyd untill 3rd May 20:18:05 <sebsebseb> new release dates yep 20:18:16 <wilcal> I think that's a good thing though 20:18:30 <wilcal> Last week Cauldron got pretty good though 20:18:35 <wilcal> At least for me 20:18:53 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development 20:18:56 <MrsB> Due to the major changes taking place in Mageia 3 it was felt we should plan in extra time to allow some features to be completed and some of the more major bugs to be properly squashed 20:18:58 <lewyssmith> [If in France, Sibelius 1 has just started on France Musique. Listen!] 20:19:12 <MrsB> yes, that's the link to the new planning 20:19:26 <wilcal> Will M3 release with Firefox 19? 20:19:34 <MrsB> essentially beta3 was delayed by a couple of weeks and an extra beta has been allocated 20:19:49 <MrsB> There was also a blog post 20:20:03 <MrsB> http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/02/18/mageia-3-planning-or-the-old-story-of-the-hare-and-the-tortoise/ 20:20:13 <sebsebseb> wilcal: Mageia 3 will release with whatever the latest Extended Support Release is at the time for Firefox I expect 20:20:25 <MrsB> should be 17 in mga3 20:20:37 <MrsB> it's actually the same version 20:20:45 <sebsebseb> yep 17 is the more recent ESR 20:21:08 <MrsB> is everybody ok with this, any comments? 20:21:23 <oeai> i'm using 20 20:21:28 <wilcal> 19 is running just fine on two of my test platforms ( 32 & 64 bit ) 20:21:38 <sebsebseb> about the new planning not really, just hoping it gives enough time for oeai to get a sound scheme into Mageia 3 hopefuly :) 20:21:40 <sebsebseb> and hoepfuly for 20:21:54 <sebsebseb> well hopefuly for a GNOME 3.8 to :d, but not so sure about that one now since uh 20:22:00 <lewyssmith> Silly question perhaps: when will beta3 be available? 20:22:01 <MrsB> ohhh i thought the nick rang a bell 20:22:06 <oeai> thanks seb i'll wait till planning be finished =) 20:22:14 <sebsebseb> MrsB: who oeai ? 20:22:23 <MrsB> you can see the planning here lewyssmith: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development 20:22:46 <MrsB> we generally get it to test a week before it's released 20:22:58 <MrsB> well, the first build anyway 20:23:10 <MrsB> there are usually several, 5 recently :\ 20:23:50 <MrsB> anything else on this before we move on? 20:24:01 <sebsebseb> nope 20:24:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Bugzilla update 20:24:31 <MrsB> You've probably noticed bugzilla looks a little different today 20:24:59 <MrsB> it was updated yesterday to version 4 20:25:07 <sebsebseb> nope not seen that yet 20:25:28 <wilcal> Much pretty'r 20:25:29 <MrsB> it should theoretically allow us to do more 'stuff' than the old one. I don't have many details though unfortunately. 20:25:45 <wilcal> "white board" is now at the top 20:25:54 <MrsB> you can change that in the prefernces 20:26:27 <wilcal> same db backend right 20:26:42 <MrsB> yep, all the old data is still there 20:27:17 <MrsB> we're well on our way to 10000 bug reports 20:27:40 <lewyssmith> Chilling... 20:27:52 <sebsebseb> MrsB: Buggy Mageia 20:27:55 <MrsB> not really, red hat is 650000 20:28:05 <MrsB> bugs are used as issue trackers 20:28:07 <sebsebseb> Buggy Redhat to then :d 20:28:12 <DavidWHodgins> A lot of those are duplicates, or requests for new packages. 20:28:12 <oeai> they got a longer story though 20:28:13 <MrsB> all updates have a bug report 20:28:24 <MrsB> it's not all 'things which are wrong' 20:28:35 <MrsB> it's a work tracking system 20:28:43 <sebsebseb> oh ok 20:28:44 <swecarp> i thinkl that mageia isnt buggy 20:28:46 <wilcal> issue tracking system, good things and bad 20:28:57 <sebsebseb> swecarp: nearly greeted youe arlier when you came in here 20:29:12 <wilcal> OooOOOoo I can remember some things in Mandrake 20:29:13 <MrsB> every security CVE has a bug opened for instance 20:29:19 <sebsebseb> swecarp: a few min ago 20:29:23 <sebsebseb> hej/hi 20:30:13 <MrsB> so, let's move on. You guys should really know by now what bugzilla is used for :P 20:30:14 <swecarp> hi sebsebseb 20:30:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Leadership elections 20:30:43 <MrsB> Thanks 20:31:03 <MrsB> As many of you will know, every year our team leaders are elected 20:31:03 <wilcal> Where is all that discussion taking place 20:31:29 <MrsB> This year we have to hold elections before March 16th 20:31:31 <sebsebseb> will happen on the mailng lists 20:31:46 <sebsebseb> the board also needs someone new from the council this time round 20:32:15 <sebsebseb> teams, council, and board, elections 20:32:26 <MrsB> There are 3 positions to fill, team leader, deputy team leader and council representative. Team leader ususally does the council representative aswell but it doesn't have to be that way 20:32:50 <MrsB> I'll email the list about this tomorrow too 20:32:57 <wilcal> Cool 20:33:09 <MrsB> Anybody who considers themselves part of the team can stand for any of the positions 20:33:30 * sebsebseb thinks MrsB should continue as leaader, or maybe DavidWHodgins instead 20:33:40 <MrsB> ideally you should also perform the duties they entail too :D 20:34:32 <sebsebseb> MrsB: yep 20:34:39 <MrsB> I'll add some details in the email but anybody wishing to stand for one of the positions will have a certain time to say so and why they're doing so 20:35:03 <MrsB> after a certain date we'll have a vote, maybe by email, maybe by epoll 20:35:04 <sebsebseb> then people in the team vote for who they want, and the one with most votes, wins 20:35:38 <MrsB> it's completely democratic, don't feel you would be stepping on toes if you wish to stand. Mageia is the only winner. 20:36:02 <sebsebseb> doesn't matter if your quite new to any of the teams as well 20:36:08 <sebsebseb> if you think you can be a good leader of a team, put yourself forward 20:36:51 <oeai> is there any duties described and time load prob? 20:36:54 <MrsB> There are also going to be board elections which will take place on March 5th 20:37:19 <MrsB> oeai: sure, lead the team :D 20:37:21 <oeai> so people could actualy think ob what are they going to do and understand it 20:37:26 <MrsB> everything that entails 20:37:57 <sebsebseb> yep what she said 20:38:17 <DavidWHodgins> Probably a good idea to include in the email to the list, what the team/deputy leaders do. 20:38:28 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: yep :) 20:38:39 <oeai> yeah this is it 20:38:54 <oeai> but just crate a wiki 20:39:06 <oeai> easier and for times 20:39:25 <oeai> so different team leaders can describe their work 20:39:43 <MrsB> yes i can try. It's really up to the leader what they do though, the post doesn't have specific duties, just to fulfill the role of team leader. There is nobody telling you what needs to be done, you're expected to work that out for yourself. 20:40:06 <sebsebseb> yep bingo to what MrsB put ther 20:40:07 <sebsebseb> e 20:40:16 <sebsebseb> to some extetn council can help though 20:40:22 <DavidWHodgins> Includes attending council meetings, as team rep. 20:40:23 <sebsebseb> ,but pretty much on own as leader 20:40:30 <oeai> i understand that but really you got to do something - just like work with people and know some english\ 20:40:37 <sebsebseb> it becomes your team, and you do what is needed by Mageia for that team, but you like figure out how to do it on your own etc 20:40:41 <sebsebseb> and with your deputy leader ideally 20:40:47 <sebsebseb> and then the rest of team to :) 20:40:55 <MrsB> exectly sebsebseb 20:41:49 <sebsebseb> oeai: yep 20:41:55 <swecarp> os there anny more that are requierd fore the team leader fore exampel in qa 20:42:01 <MrsB> We should agree a time scale for this to happen. I've been thinking to allow until the end of February for people to announce they are standing and we will vote shortly after that 20:42:22 <oeai> for me for example it's good to know when those meetings are passing - time is something that ?relies? 20:42:23 <DavidWHodgins> Sounds good to me. 20:42:24 <sebsebseb> MrsB: yep sounds good to me :) 20:42:26 <MrsB> how does that sound? 20:42:43 <swecarp> sound gr8 MrsB 20:42:44 <wilcal> ok here 20:42:54 <sebsebseb> also QA is a team that 20:43:06 <sebsebseb> well one of the main Magiea teams :d one of the most important, so should have a good leader :) 20:43:39 <MrsB> #info We will allow until the end of February for anybody wishing to stand for election and then vote shortly after that. MrsB will email the ML tomorrow (Probably) with more details. 20:44:11 <MrsB> great :) lets move on then 20:44:15 <sebsebseb> yep 20:44:21 <swecarp> ok 20:44:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic When the clocks change. 20:44:47 <sebsebseb> when the clocks change I assume the meetings will bet at 19:00 UTC instead 20:44:50 <MrsB> Ahh yes, thanks Dave 20:45:02 <MrsB> that's what I was going to suggest sebsebseb 20:45:08 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: Yes. Same local time. 20:45:19 <DavidWHodgins> That's what we did last year. Seems ok to me. 20:45:28 <sebsebseb> yep that's what docs did before to for example 20:45:29 <MrsB> When the clocks changed previously we changed the meeting time UTC/GMT so that local time remained the same 20:45:43 <MrsB> it isn't due until the end of March I believe 20:45:46 <lewyssmith> Seems sensible 20:45:59 <swecarp> sounds good 20:46:09 <sebsebseb> yep that's the way to go for this team it seems then :d 20:46:13 <sebsebseb> for now 20:46:14 <wilcal> ok here 20:46:28 <MrsB> #agreed We agreed to change the meeting time when the clocks change as we did before so local time remains the same. Meetings will take place at 19UTC. 20:46:45 <MrsB> \o/ 20:46:54 <MrsB> so, what's next? 20:47:04 <DavidWHodgins> Keep in mind that not every place changes at the same time, so may be a hour earlier for some, for a week or so. 20:47:04 <sebsebseb> Luigi's round up I guess or something? 20:47:07 <swecarp> bed time :)) 20:47:09 <wilcal> is Luigi here 20:47:17 <MrsB> lol swecarp 20:47:19 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: that's true 20:47:20 <Luigi12_work> yeah 20:47:27 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: ,but I think like everyone in QA at the moment, are in a time zone that changes it's clocks? 20:47:29 <wilcal> Hi ya Luigi 20:47:33 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:47:43 <MrsB> beat ya! 20:47:46 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: Yes, but not the same weekend. 20:47:50 <MrsB> Morning Luigi12_work 20:47:51 <Luigi12_work> boo 20:47:55 <Luigi12_work> lol 20:48:03 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: yep and some time zones don't change at all, anyway next topic now :d 20:48:04 <Luigi12_work> now that I've been up for 10 hours 20:48:10 <MrsB> For anybody who doesn't know, luigi12 is the one who builds most of our security updates 20:48:11 <wilcal> Lotta stuff got good in Cauldron for me last week Luigi 20:48:16 <MrsB> always morning 20:48:18 <DavidWHodgins> I'll be testing the linus kernels right after this meeting, and if ok, validate all of the kernel updates after that. 20:48:19 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: glad to hear 20:48:46 <Luigi12_work> other than kernels, Funda made an update for thunderbird-lightning today 20:48:55 <MrsB> sounds good Dave. It's a pretty bad security flaw in the kernal from what I've been reading 20:49:05 <Luigi12_work> I haven't gone through today's new security issues, so dunno if I'll be posting anything today yet 20:49:33 <MrsB> Ruby is a bit of a problem 20:49:41 <Luigi12_work> yes 20:49:43 <Luigi12_work> in general 20:49:48 <MrsB> :) 20:50:14 <MrsB> we shouldn't really push the update until those deps are rebuilt 20:50:24 <Luigi12_work> It's not clear who's supposed to take care of those other things 20:50:48 <MrsB> shikamaru maintains ruby i believe 20:50:57 <Luigi12_work> I'm not sure they should really hold up the update, since there are some critical flaws in rails that have gotten a lot of press, but at the same time, how is QA supposed to test any of it without anything that uses it that works 20:51:02 <MrsB> he's not always the easiest to get hold of 20:51:04 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: supposedly 20:51:05 <Luigi12_work> yeah 20:51:19 <MrsB> not just that, the updates will break those packages 20:51:26 <Luigi12_work> Funda and Shlomi have been doing most of the work on the Ruby stuff for the past year that I've seen 20:51:40 <Luigi12_work> but as far as these packages dependent on rails, not sure who's responsible for those 20:51:43 <MrsB> ruby is all very version dependent 20:52:04 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: well yes, but if nobody maintains them, we wouldn't really want to hold up the update forever just because of that 20:52:16 <Luigi12_work> but still I can't push QA to validate them when there's no easy way to test, so it's still a catch 22 20:52:33 <MrsB> we can't start pushing updates which we know break things 20:52:40 <MrsB> it's a difficult situation 20:52:45 <DavidWHodgins> Given the choice of breaking some packages, or holding up the security update, I think we'll have to break the packages. 20:52:50 <Luigi12_work> it's not totally accurate to say they break anything 20:52:59 <Luigi12_work> the old ruby packages they depend on are still available 20:53:14 <MrsB> hmm that's true i guess 20:53:30 <MrsB> so not as bad as it could be 20:53:34 <Luigi12_work> so if nobody has any interest in rebuilding those leaf packages or maintaining them, that shouldn't become your problem, that's not fair to you 20:53:43 <MrsB> we'll just have to work out other ways to test them :\ 20:53:53 <Luigi12_work> ok 20:54:14 <MrsB> I'll try and email shikamara directly 20:54:14 <DavidWHodgins> In cases where we can not figure out a way to test them, we have to take the chance, and push as is. 20:54:17 <MrsB> u 20:54:43 <DavidWHodgins> If all we can test is that they install cleanly, then that's all we test. 20:54:48 <wilcal> All this only effects Cauldron? 20:54:53 <Luigi12_work> only mga2 20:54:57 <DavidWHodgins> No. Mageia 2. 20:55:03 <MrsB> so ruby isn't as much of a problem as first thought. We'll have to create new bugs for the packages which will need updates 20:55:13 <Luigi12_work> yes 20:55:15 <wilcal> Breaking M2 packages is a challenge 20:55:16 <MrsB> we don't test updates for cauldron 20:55:50 <Luigi12_work> yeah the rails stuff has already been updated in cauldron, whether the redmine and whatever else were, I dunno, but that's packagers' responsibility to worry about right now 20:55:50 <DavidWHodgins> Except when testing upgrading from 2 to 3. 20:55:53 <MrsB> #action MrsB to try and contact shikamaru 20:56:38 <Luigi12_work> oh 20:56:38 <MrsB> #info ruby packages will have to be tested another way but shouldn't wait for redmine, chiliproject, teambox rebuild 20:56:53 <MrsB> I saw drupal is on it's way 20:56:56 <Luigi12_work> if someone could get ahold of Funda, I do have one concern about all the ruby stuff before it's pushed 20:57:16 <Luigi12_work> there's also a security issue for ruby-rdoc that hasn't been addressed yet, and when that was fixed in Cauldron, all of the ruby stuff had to be rebuilt 20:57:19 <MrsB> #action Luigi12_work to get ahold of funda to discuss his concerns :P 20:57:27 <Luigi12_work> nice 20:57:30 <MrsB> :D 20:57:30 <Luigi12_work> I'll try e-mailing him 20:57:56 <Luigi12_work> so anyway, don't validate it all until I get word on that, but do find a testing method if you can 20:58:22 <MrsB> #info there may be other things need updating before ruby is pushed, Luigi12 to find out 20:58:26 <Luigi12_work> and hopefully dmorgan will put the URL field back in bugzilla, because that's killing me right now 20:58:39 <MrsB> oh, i didn't notice it had gone 20:58:45 <MrsB> have you spoken to him? 20:58:54 <Luigi12_work> it's there when filing a new bug, but then you can't access it anymore 20:59:04 <MrsB> #info URL field is missing from new bugzilla 20:59:34 <Luigi12_work> actually that may be a problem for QA too so that really needs to be fixed 20:59:47 <MrsB> have you created a bug? 21:00:09 <Luigi12_work> maybe I'll put the description on a webpage and put it in the URL field :P 21:00:14 <Luigi12_work> but no I guess I may have to 21:00:15 <MrsB> lol 21:00:17 <leuhmanu> should have been back 21:00:36 <MrsB> could try him on -dev ML Luigi12_work 21:01:06 <leuhmanu> ahno https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9144 pretty sure there was a comment of rda.. 21:01:07 <[mbot> Bug 9144: normal, Normal, sysadmin-bugs, sysadmin-bugs, NEW , add back the show of the url field on 21:01:17 <MrsB> Is there anything big in the pipeline we should be aware of ? 21:02:03 <Luigi12_work> there's another java-1.7.0-openjdk once dmorgan gets it ready :D 21:02:11 <MrsB> another :O 21:02:19 <Luigi12_work> which will make 6 java updates in February if I'm not mistaken 21:02:23 <MrsB> #info java-1.7.0 is coming 21:02:26 <MrsB> yeah it's alot 21:02:39 <Luigi12_work> we'll send an invoice to Oracle 21:02:47 <MrsB> \o/ bonus 21:03:08 <MrsB> so, anybody have any questions for Luigi12_work? 21:03:16 <wilcal> Good ole Sun Microsystems 21:03:16 <sebsebseb> no 21:03:17 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 21:03:26 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 21:03:31 <sebsebseb> no 21:03:33 <MrsB> Thanks David and Dave 21:03:41 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 21:03:43 <wilcal> Ya I'm only concerned about one bug 21:03:45 <sebsebseb> nope 21:03:47 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 21:03:48 <sebsebseb> not from me anyway 21:03:54 <MrsB> go on wilcal 21:03:56 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8863 - Latest kernel update makes nVidia driver fail 21:03:57 <[mbot> Bug 8863: normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Latest kernel update makes nVidia driver fail, nvidia 21:04:07 <wilcal> Here anything on that 21:04:19 <wilcal> Cauldron 21:04:47 <MrsB> We don't really deal with Cauldron until it becomes a beta 21:05:00 <wilcal> That's only really a week away 21:05:03 <MrsB> What was it you wanted to say about it? 21:05:03 <sebsebseb> MrsB: Had a feeling something like that was coming or whatever :d 21:05:40 <MrsB> ideally we'd have a huge qa team and we'd be able to qa cauldron too 21:05:46 <sebsebseb> wilcal: I guess Cauldron will be a bit less buggy at least, by the time the next Beta is time for testing by QA :D 21:05:55 <MrsB> we're struggling to get enough to maintain 2 releases though nevermind 3 21:06:01 <wilcal> M3B3 is gonna be really clean this time 21:06:11 <leuhmanu> and qa can do nothing with this bug 21:06:25 <lewyssmith> wilcal: cross fingers 21:06:35 <MrsB> #info wilcal would like to remind people about the above bug 21:06:48 <sebsebseb> hopefuly NIvida propriatry drivers work ok with the kernel though for the next beta :d 21:06:51 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 21:06:56 <sebsebseb> ,but probably be ok so :) 21:07:05 <DavidWHodgins> Worst case, we identify the workarounds and document them for the errata. 21:07:13 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: yep or see if tmb can do something 21:07:46 <DavidWHodgins> Or Colin, if it's dracut changes needed. 21:08:07 <MrsB> lets finish up then 21:08:13 <wilcal> Why is webmin still on the updates testing list 21:08:17 <MrsB> thankyou all for coming, same time next week! 21:08:30 <MrsB> #endmeeting