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20:06:47 <MrsB> Hi guys, welcome to another meeting :)
20:07:07 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:07:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:07:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:07:29 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today?
20:07:41 <AL13N> not me
20:08:01 <led43> not me
20:08:04 <MrsB> you're new to channel
20:08:31 <AL13N> arguably
20:08:44 <AL13N> but i'm not really here, i'm not in QA team
20:08:49 <MrsB> He's not here by the looks of it but welcome the Lewis who joined us today
20:08:59 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi
20:09:04 <sebsebsebeeepc> and MrsB is new
20:09:07 <MrsB> morninf sebsebsebeeepc
20:09:17 <sebsebsebeeepc> evening  MrsB
20:09:28 <Kernewes> did Lewis want to join us or was that just a bug report?
20:09:58 <sebsebsebeeepc> AL13N is new
20:10:01 <sebsebsebeeepc> ?
20:10:02 <MrsB> he's joining us, i hope, he emailed yesterday :)
20:10:09 <Kernewes> :)
20:10:31 <MrsB> if he's not here though let's move on and maybe catch him next time
20:10:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Updates testing
20:10:44 <MrsB> thankyou dave!
20:11:10 <MrsB> As you know, we're short of people doing this task
20:11:33 <MrsB> Latte is back and slowly getting back into it again
20:11:37 <wilcal> I tried the Webmin thing
20:11:50 <wilcal> That
20:12:09 <wilcal> that's defined in Bug 7803
20:12:09 <Latte> ;)
20:12:10 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7803 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW, Webmin - Security Vulnerability, webmin
20:12:27 <wilcal> I'm not quite sure how to report that my test was successful
20:12:28 <Latte> a little bit slow still
20:12:35 <MrsB> that's great wilcal, did you manage to follow the procedure ok?
20:12:59 <MrsB> the procedure is always linked from the topic here
20:13:08 <wilcal> Yes but this is a security problem and there's no way I can create the security compromises
20:13:20 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates
20:13:28 * led43 i might find some time from sun / monday onwards to help testing updates
20:13:31 <wilcal> I was able to update Mageia 2 with the new version
20:13:47 <MrsB> we only test those if we can find a PoC
20:13:59 <MrsB> led43: \o/
20:14:18 <AL13N> what if there is no PoC?
20:14:31 <MrsB> If you're unsure of anything at all, please just ask. There is always help available. If nobody is here then there is always the list
20:14:33 <DavidWHodgins> When there is no proof of concept for the bug, we just test to ensure there are no regressions.
20:14:34 <wilcal> Anyway I put a post in the Bug that I was successful to update to the new webmin
20:14:58 <DavidWHodgins> Don't forget to add whether it was i586 or x86_64.
20:15:12 <wilcal> How then does the status on http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates get changed
20:15:14 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
20:15:20 <MrsB> thanks wilcal. When you try your next one it might help to have the procedure page open and follow it step by step. Somebody can go through it with you if you like
20:15:23 <Kernewes> wilcal: you add it to the whiteboard
20:15:29 <wilcal> There's only a 32-bit version of webmin
20:15:38 <DavidWHodgins> By adding the keywords to the whiteboard, and keywords fields.
20:15:54 <wilcal> whiteboard in the Bug
20:15:59 <MrsB> yep
20:16:03 <Kernewes> near the top
20:16:03 <AL13N> webmin should be noarch
20:16:11 <Luigi12_work> for webmin we just want to make sure all the functionality works
20:16:18 * led43 can only test on 32bit hardware at moment both 64bit boxes are down with hardware probs
20:16:20 <DavidWHodgins> Add MGA2-64-OK or MGA2-32-OK to the whiteboard, and when both are ok, validated_update to the keywords.
20:16:22 <Luigi12_work> and it is noarch, so it only needs tested on 32 bit
20:16:25 <wilcal> Ya I didn't find any problems
20:16:27 <Luigi12_work> or 64, whatever
20:16:33 <rindolf> Oh, sorry all for being late.
20:16:43 <MrsB> morning rindolf
20:16:44 <wilcal> Look at my comment in the bug
20:16:50 <Luigi12_work> unfortunately there's a 1.620 of webmin that fixes another XSS issue, so I'll be updating it as soon as we get it built in Cauldron
20:16:54 <rindolf> MrsB: top of the 22:16 morning to you too.
20:16:59 <led43> rindolf: we will deduct it from your wages ;0
20:17:03 <MrsB> lol
20:17:21 <Kernewes> someone say wages (suddenly awake)?
20:17:26 <wilcal> It also runs just fine in 3
20:18:00 <MrsB> we're don't test cauldron updates, it will sonn become mga3 and then we'll have mga2 and mga3 to test for :\
20:18:41 <AL13N> (possibly even backports)
20:18:56 <led43> hopefully arm to soon
20:18:59 <MrsB> Please though, if you have some spare time, test some updates
20:19:03 <DavidWHodgins> Backports won't be opened until after 2317 is fixed.
20:19:07 <MrsB> well, that all depends on this really
20:19:23 <MrsB> if we don't have people to test the updates we can't keep adding to them
20:19:31 <Kernewes> did you check at council that 2317 is on track to be fixed?
20:19:52 * Luigi12_work doesn't know who people expect to test all those backports if it opens
20:19:58 <MrsB> The word is: it will be fixed by mga3
20:20:05 <AL13N> tmb will fix it
20:21:16 <Stormi> plan was, packagers can test + must find one more tester
20:21:24 <MrsB> We've managed to reduce the list a bit this week but we were on the verge of having to make some difficult decisions, we can't let it come to that
20:21:28 <Stormi> (hi :))
20:21:40 <MrsB> Stormi: :O
20:21:45 <MrsB> hi :)
20:21:54 <led43> Stormi: ;)
20:22:11 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi Stormi
20:23:09 <AL13N> hi Stormi! that update candidate page is pretty nice!
20:23:16 <MrsB> Can we all please concentrate our efforts on reducing the list this week so we will be ready for the next round of ISO testing
20:23:47 <MrsB> you feel like trying it out AL13N?
20:24:57 <MrsB> Does anybody have any questions now about testing updates?
20:25:11 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: once I get 1.620 up in mga2 (hopefully within the next couple hours) if it still works OK, let's go ahead and get it validated
20:25:46 <MrsB> I just remembered I forgot to add the roundup to the topic list :\
20:25:58 <Kernewes> MrsB: oops
20:26:02 <MrsB> i know
20:26:11 <MrsB> we'd better do it next
20:26:20 <Luigi12_work> roundup is a type of insecticide used for killing bugs in lawns and gardens (and Linux distros)
20:26:21 <Kernewes> MrsB: perhaps we're better off not knowing
20:26:24 <wilcal> I agree Luigi. I'll for sure install it on my "production" machine tomorrow California time
20:26:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup
20:26:55 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:26:59 <MrsB> OOoo
20:27:23 <Luigi12_work> ok so we have mariadb, which from the discussion sounds like is almost finished, and webmin wilcal and I just discussed
20:27:39 <Luigi12_work> abrt/libreport we'll have to validate if we can't get any response from the developers to Dave's message on mageia-dev
20:27:59 <Luigi12_work> not sure what to do about ettercap, sounds like MrsB said the patch didn't fix the issue
20:28:00 <MrsB> we can create a new set of bugs for that, seem to be doing alot of that this week
20:28:14 <MrsB> ettercap, can't remember :\
20:28:24 <wilcal> Ya, I've been involved in a couple things that are pretty significant
20:28:49 <Luigi12_work> for PHP we still need feeback from Oden, but it sounds like there may be another update coming to that, not sure
20:28:56 <DavidWHodgins> With mariadb, I'm a liittle worried, as the tests that are failing are failing with segfaults.
20:29:00 <MrsB> he said as much
20:29:37 <Luigi12_work> nice to see the list get shrinkified
20:29:45 <MrsB> did you try it without --force Dave?
20:29:58 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, then it just stops at the first failed test.
20:30:04 <MrsB> :\
20:30:08 <Luigi12_work> according to upstream there will be another update to java-1.7.0-openjdk soon
20:30:19 <MrsB> another one!
20:30:24 <Luigi12_work> yeah 50 more CVEs
20:30:47 <DavidWHodgins> Wow.
20:30:54 * Kernewes picks MrsB up off the floor
20:30:56 <MrsB> security updates seem to come in two or three within short spaces of time for everything
20:31:00 <Luigi12_work> yeah, no kidding (well it might only be like 48)
20:31:07 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:31:27 <wilcal> Java et al is having a LOT of security problems lately
20:31:33 <Luigi12_work> other than that, I'm just hoping tomorrow isn't like last Friday where 10 new ones drop on me
20:31:47 <Luigi12_work> nothing new yesterday or today
20:31:58 <DavidWHodgins> Don't check the security lists. :-)
20:32:01 <Luigi12_work> we will have a kdelibs and qt4 update also once neoclust is done looking at them
20:32:02 <MrsB> care to sum all that up in a coupleof #info's Luigi12_work
20:32:24 <MrsB> why is it always busiest just before ISO testign begins
20:32:41 <Luigi12_work> well busy after ISO testing begins would be worse
20:32:49 <MrsB> quite
20:33:07 <MrsB> it seems to have gone mad this year so far
20:33:16 <Luigi12_work> well I guess we should put the feedback marker on PHP for now
20:33:19 <Luigi12_work> yes this year has been crazy
20:33:25 <Luigi12_work> I'm spending way too many hours at work doing security updates
20:33:29 <Luigi12_work> can't hardly get any real work done
20:33:34 <Luigi12_work> also been working on them at home
20:33:41 <MrsB> I'm 12 hours a day at it usually
20:33:49 <Luigi12_work> hope it'll slow down
20:34:16 <MrsB> i hope so, be nice to see MrB fromtime to time
20:34:40 <Luigi12_work> guess the only #info is that webmin should be ready to push out the door once 1.620 gets uploaded, which will be soon since it just succeeded in Cauldron (yay!)
20:34:46 <MrsB> do it then :P
20:34:55 <wilcal> :-)))
20:34:57 <Luigi12_work> pushed to build system for mga2
20:35:29 <Luigi12_work> I'll update bug in a few minutes (and add feedback on PHP)
20:35:39 <wilcal> webmin is an important app
20:36:02 <DavidWHodgins> Think I should open a bug report for opera and assign it to qa myself?  Funda doesn't seem to be getting around to it.
20:36:29 <MrsB> #info new webmin should be ready to push out the door once 1.620 gets uploaded, which will be soon since it just succeeded in Cauldron (Yay!)
20:36:32 * MrsB did it
20:36:36 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: yeah go ahead, we've had to do that before
20:36:40 <Luigi12_work> thanks MrsB
20:36:42 <DavidWHodgins> Ok
20:36:46 <Luigi12_work> and thanks everyone for testing
20:36:48 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: you push it, I'll test it
20:36:53 <MrsB> #info php is due another update so we can wait for that before pushing current one
20:36:54 <Kernewes> assign it
20:37:18 <AL13N> btw: i notice that oracle seems to consider as much as possible a security issue, so that the bugs are private and such
20:37:41 <Luigi12_work> oracle is a security issue
20:37:47 <AL13N> :-)
20:37:54 <DavidWHodgins> Makes it harder to test properly, since poc's are kept private.
20:37:55 <MrsB> #info coming soon.. java-1.7.0-openjdk, kdelibs & qt4
20:38:02 <AL13N> DavidWHodgins: did you see that mariadb bugreport, btw? i need more info
20:38:08 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me?
20:38:17 <wilcal> FWIW Oracle bought Sun, and Java, simply because they were paying so many $$$ to Sun for licenses
20:38:36 <DavidWHodgins> AL13N: Yes, I'll add more info to it shortly, and also test the older version to see if it's a regression or not.
20:38:47 <MrsB> none here, thankyou Luigi12_work
20:38:55 <DavidWHodgins> Not here either.
20:39:06 <MrsB> anybody else?
20:39:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic 3Beta3
20:39:13 <MrsB> lightning!
20:39:22 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:39:34 * MrsB finding a link
20:39:38 <AL13N> DavidWHodgins: as i said, it might be completely benign, i noticed that pulseaudio for me used the same port as mysql-test did, and so most of the tests fail
20:39:44 <AL13N> DavidWHodgins: it might be just that
20:39:52 * led43 will be unable to iso test, so will take name off list
20:40:05 <ennael> hi there
20:40:06 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development
20:40:12 <MrsB> hi ennael
20:40:20 <ennael> quick information about beta3
20:40:21 <led43> ennael: hi
20:40:25 <MrsB> please do
20:40:27 <ennael> we may delay it a bit
20:40:34 <MrsB> \o/
20:40:36 <ennael> I've just received a mail from tv
20:40:55 <ennael> he works quite far from home these days and then do not have much time
20:41:02 <ennael> this should change in 10 days
20:41:11 <MrsB> i noticed he hasn't been around as much as he was
20:41:18 <ennael> I mailed him about grub2 and other subjects about installer
20:41:43 <ennael> so delaying beta3 could be nice to integrate more fixes in installer
20:41:58 <MrsB> yes it's better to do so if that's the case
20:42:07 <AL13N> how much delay? like 2 weeks?
20:42:11 <wilcal> I would like to delay M3B3 until Bug 8863 gets fixed
20:42:12 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8863 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, Latest kernel update makes nVidia driver fail, nvidia
20:42:35 <ennael> MrsB: no idea for now I'd like to speak about it with other guys
20:42:43 <ennael> but at least 1 or 2 weeks
20:42:58 <MrsB> That takes the pressure of us a little bit too
20:43:08 <ennael> fine then :)
20:43:53 <ennael> that's all for me :)
20:43:58 <Kernewes> ennael: thanks for the info
20:44:05 <MrsB> #info 3beta3 will be delayed for a few weeks as dev work is undertaken to fix some of the bigger bugs
20:44:09 <MrsB> thanks ennael
20:44:20 <wilcal> Kool
20:44:45 <MrsB> Well, that means we may as well move on :D
20:44:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Fosdem Review
20:45:11 <MrsB> FOSDEM was last weekend
20:45:16 <MrsB> did anybody go?
20:45:22 <MrsB> AL13N did i know
20:45:25 <MrsB> and sebsebsebeeepc
20:45:33 <MrsB> and ennael
20:45:51 <ennael> yep we made some QA on  beers
20:45:59 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:46:00 <MrsB> lol
20:46:06 <wilcal> Great beer in Belgium
20:46:14 <ennael> QA is a nice job :)
20:46:21 <MrsB> i hope you had one for us
20:46:25 <ennael> sure :)
20:46:27 <MrsB> or several
20:46:43 <DavidWHodgins> One for each and every team member. :-)
20:46:44 <Kernewes> never mind the beer, what was the chocolate like?
20:46:50 <wilcal> How many folks there representing Mageia?
20:46:59 <led43> any photos
20:47:03 <ennael> wilcal: we were 27 for the diner
20:47:12 <wilcal> Oh my!!!
20:47:16 <DavidWHodgins> Wow.  That's a good turnout.
20:47:20 <MrsB> #info If you went and have any pictures there is a flickr group to upload them to http://www.flickr.com/groups/2126490@N25/
20:47:20 <ennael> and about 25 for the general assembly
20:47:27 <wilcal> This Mageia thing is get'n serious
20:47:38 <MrsB> Dave sorry brb
20:47:53 <ennael> barjac may be testing some beers also
20:48:44 <AL13N> :)
20:49:20 <AL13N> the special thing about this year is the blue Tshirts (also in feminine size)
20:49:31 <AL13N> and the usb sticks in the form of a credit card
20:49:41 <AL13N> i believe most of those usb sticks were sold
20:49:49 <AL13N> quite a few even blank
20:49:59 <AL13N> with mageia logo and name on it though :-)
20:50:00 <led43> are they still available to purchase online
20:50:13 <wilcal> mageia store?
20:50:19 <AL13N> no idea
20:50:25 <led43> did not know we had one
20:50:27 <AL13N> perhaps someone from marketing would know
20:50:33 <Kernewes> is there an online Mageia store?
20:50:45 <AL13N> there used to be a site that could print your tshirts and ship them to you with mageia on it
20:50:59 <AL13N> spreadshirt or something
20:51:06 <ennael> but it gives nearly nothing for mageia
20:51:13 <ennael> we have to think about it indeed
20:51:19 <AL13N> but i did bought the credit card sized usb stick, it's pretty neat
20:51:41 <led43> it would not cost much to set up
20:51:50 <barjac> ennael: Is my rebooting causing annoyance?
20:52:10 * led43 though you had a bad connection
20:52:14 <wilcal> i can't see anything
20:52:36 * Luigi12_work has a Mandriva polo shirt and wants a Mageia one
20:52:48 <barjac> No, I'm testing grub2 ;)
20:53:10 <wilcal> I've had to create a Mageia T-Shirt when I went to a "Hollywood" Trade Show
20:53:49 <wilcal> Actually it was a Polo Shirt - I've still got it : -)
20:55:08 <Kernewes> ennael: while you're here, can you tell me how to pronounce Magai
20:55:11 <Kernewes> Mageia
20:55:26 <ennael> pronunciation is like software it's free ;)
20:55:43 <led43> Kernewes: mag e a
20:55:44 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi
20:55:46 <Luigi12_work> officially there is no official pronunciation
20:55:50 <sebsebsebeeepc> led43: photos got some on phone
20:55:55 <AL13N> lol Luigi12_work
20:55:58 <Kernewes> so whatever comes most naturally to you then
20:55:59 <MrsB> back, sorry about that
20:56:01 <led43> sebsebseb: upload them then
20:56:01 <Luigi12_work> it's true though :o)
20:56:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> Mageia store been  mentiond by  quite a few people here and there, stlll NOTHING!
20:56:14 <AL13N> sebsebsebeeepc: can you post them on that flickr group?
20:56:23 <sebsebsebeeepc> AL13N: need to get off phone first
20:56:28 <sebsebsebeeepc> assuming they actually took ok etc
20:56:28 <AL13N> k
20:56:33 <sebsebsebeeepc> first time trying to use that camera
20:56:42 <sebsebsebeeepc> also flickr sucks
20:56:45 <wilcal> Smartphone cam?
20:56:48 <sebsebsebeeepc> we need our own space for stuff like that
20:57:01 <sebsebsebeeepc> as is mentioned every now and again by Ateier people et
20:57:03 <sebsebsebeeepc> c
20:57:04 <sebsebsebeeepc> wilcal: yep
20:57:18 <AL13N> sebsebsebeeepc: myes, well sysadmin team is quite busy, so that'll have to wait for later
20:57:30 <sebsebsebeeepc> AL13N: that's always the excuse
20:57:30 <MrsB> A store is something we need and a gallery yep,and this and that and everything else :D
20:57:52 <AL13N> sebsebsebeeepc: it's no excuse, it's reality, but tmb is trying to change that
20:58:11 <AL13N> in any case
20:58:14 <MrsB> sysadmin are working on ways to introduce new people into the team
20:58:17 <AL13N> that's about it for fosdem
20:58:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:58:27 <wilcal> Ya
20:58:31 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:58:38 <wilcal> Bug 8916 - Mageia 2 ( updated ) -> Mageia 3 install DVD or repo does not work
20:58:39 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8916 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, Attempt to upgrade from M2 -> M3B2 fails
20:58:40 <led43> not here
20:58:46 <sebsebsebeeepc> no
20:58:53 <wilcal> I tried update M2 -> M3 and that didn't go very well
20:59:02 <MrsB> lets have a topic for that wilcal, one sec
20:59:04 <sebsebsebeeepc> may need a new yahoo account if going to use flicker
20:59:10 <MrsB> #topic Upgrade testing
20:59:10 <sebsebsebeeepc> as in put phots there, but eh
20:59:40 <MrsB> As we now have a couple of extra weeks we never expected we can spend some time testing some upgrades
20:59:47 <sebsebsebeeepc> need to adjust my netbooks time back to GMT/UTC as wel, on Belgium time
20:59:51 <wilcal> I'd like to see that
20:59:55 <MrsB> #info As we now have a couple of extra weeks we never expected we can spend some time testing some upgrades
21:00:03 <wilcal> I have a testing suggestion I use
21:00:04 <MrsB> I'll mail the list about it too
21:00:40 <wilcal> If the system crashes in flames I leave it alone and boot the Live-CD/DVD then get the log files from the live cd/dvd
21:00:50 <wilcal> usually you can mount the broken drives
21:00:53 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8916 is a failed upgrade bug
21:00:54 <[mbot> Bug 8916: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, Attempt to upgrade from M2 -> M3B2 fails
21:01:10 <wilcal> That's what I did with 8916
21:01:23 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: did you try a net install upgrade to see if you could reproduce those issues?
21:01:38 <Luigi12_work> leuhmanu and I couldn't make any sense of it
21:01:50 <wilcal> Yes, from my local repo which is really really up to date with mirrors.kernel.org
21:01:59 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: how'd that go?
21:02:01 <MrsB> #info a good way to test upgrades initially is with an mga2 installation in virtualbox. You can take a snapshot and roll it back after you are done to install a different set of packages and try again
21:02:26 <wilcal> I only got a couple errors using boot.iso and my local repo
21:02:33 <wilcal> We have also agreed to this
21:02:47 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: please post the errors you got on the bug
21:03:08 <MrsB> #info we should begin testing upgrades now
21:03:08 <wilcal> Update is from M2 built from an uptodate new install from boot.iso
21:03:15 <wilcal> all the logs are attached to the bug
21:03:28 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: I mean from your net install try, not the DVD one
21:03:31 <wilcal> including syslog
21:03:32 <MrsB> ennael, do you know if a flag needs to be set in the api before mgaapplet --testing will work?
21:03:52 <wilcal> Yep the logs from the net install are also in the bug
21:04:21 <MrsB> net upgrades are not expected to work properly yet due to the /usrmove
21:04:31 <Luigi12_work> actually that's fixed
21:04:36 <wilcal> Please all feel free to suggest testing methods
21:04:43 <MrsB> is it?
21:04:49 <Luigi12_work> usrmove isn't an issue with DVD/net upgrades
21:04:54 <Luigi12_work> only with urpmi upgrades
21:05:07 <ennael> nope no other option needed
21:05:14 <MrsB> DVD i know but net upgrades with the applet needed an extra thingame
21:05:24 <MrsB> ok cool, thats good then
21:05:27 <Luigi12_work> no by net I mean the traditional installer
21:05:36 <Luigi12_work> bootstrapped with boot.iso
21:05:48 <Luigi12_work> the applet is the same deal as urpmi
21:05:49 <wilcal> At what point is the M2 -> M3 supposed to work?
21:06:03 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: it works now unless you try to use the applet or urpmi to do it live
21:06:16 <MrsB> it *should* begin to work now wilcal, at least from the DVD
21:06:24 <Luigi12_work> there's a procedure for doing it with urpmi too, but Colin probably needs to finish documenting it
21:06:36 <wilcal> I've got some time this weekend. I'll try a net install again
21:06:53 <MrsB> #info test upgrades with the DVD for now. Due to /usrmove network upgrades are not yet ready for testing
21:06:56 <Luigi12_work> think there's a mga_upgrade_helper or something like that in updates_testing that you have to install and reboot before urpmi/applet live upgrades work
21:07:08 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: that's misleading
21:07:19 <Luigi12_work> most people think "network" as boot.iso using HTTP or FTP
21:07:24 <Luigi12_work> that's the same as DVD, should work fine
21:07:31 <MrsB> packagers maybe, i never have done
21:07:45 <Luigi12_work> that's the terminology we've all been using for several years
21:07:46 <MrsB> #info upgrades should also work using boot.iso
21:07:49 <wilcal> A DVD install resulted in 42 errors. A Net install was only a couple
21:07:57 <Luigi12_work> net installation = boot.iso
21:08:01 <MrsB> mgaapplet is the network upgrade to me
21:08:09 <wilcal> Yes Luigi
21:08:13 <MrsB> ahh installs yes
21:08:15 <Luigi12_work> that's the first I've heard that MrsB
21:08:29 <MrsB> shame on you :P
21:08:36 <MrsB> anyway..
21:08:41 <Luigi12_work> yeah wilcal the DVD will have more errors potentially because of missing packages on the DVD
21:08:48 <wilcal> we'll work this out in the next weeks
21:08:50 <Luigi12_work> doing a net install (aka boot.iso :P) avoids that issue
21:08:57 <MrsB> network upgrades with mgaapplet will not work but boot.iso will, whatever terminology you use
21:09:15 <wilcal> This has to be good by RC time right?
21:09:22 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
21:09:22 <MrsB> yep
21:09:25 <Luigi12_work> yeah
21:09:49 <Luigi12_work> we might want to ask colin the status of the upgrade helper thing in next packager meeting
21:09:55 <wilcal> Remember I have removable HD's here and a local repo so things like this I can do pretty well
21:10:04 <MrsB> I'll ping him tomorrow
21:10:20 <Luigi12_work> ok, cool
21:10:21 <MrsB> go crazy wilcal :)
21:10:32 <Luigi12_work> it'll need QA'd too since it'll be pushed into mga2 updates
21:10:33 <wilcal> Me and Killdisk are pretty deadly
21:10:46 * Kernewes runs and hides
21:11:04 <MrsB> Anybody any questions on this?
21:11:16 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
21:11:30 <wilcal> More/better info by next Thur
21:11:32 <Kernewes> no, I'll try and do some upgrade testing in the next few days
21:11:57 <MrsB> #topic Anything else else?
21:12:04 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
21:12:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> no
21:12:09 <Kernewes> not here.
21:12:10 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
21:12:11 <led43> not here, will try and make time for qa testing sun/mon
21:12:14 <wilcal> None here
21:12:19 <MrsB> thanks led43
21:12:26 <MrsB> lets wrap it up then
21:12:32 <MrsB> Thankyou all for coming :)
21:12:34 <wilcal> Great meeting
21:12:35 <MrsB> same time next week!
21:12:41 <led43> my pleasure
21:12:44 <MrsB> #endmeeting