20:02:02 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:02:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jan 31 20:02:02 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:16 <MrsB> so hi guys, welcome to another one :) 20:02:23 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:02:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:02:25 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 20:02:31 <MrsB> whoosh 20:02:34 <sebsebseb> MrsB Kernewes and DavidWHodgins are all new 20:02:38 <wilcal> M3B2 Iso's released 20:02:57 <MrsB> Sooooo who's really new? 20:03:05 <sebsebseb> no one 20:03:19 <MrsB> it's been a few weeks since we had anybody new 20:03:26 <sebsebseb> Mr nobody is new 20:03:30 <sebsebseb> and Miss nobody as well :d 20:03:44 <Kernewes> MrsB: was it something you said? 20:03:55 <MrsB> i see a few new nicks in the list 20:04:22 <MrsB> nobody here atm though i guess 20:04:33 <MrsB> lets go move on then 20:04:37 <MrsB> -go 20:04:37 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Updates testing 20:04:47 <MrsB> Thanks Dave 20:04:54 <MrsB> This is an important one 20:05:09 <MrsB> We're not doing very well testing updates at the moment 20:05:10 <wilcal> Updating or updates to apps 20:05:23 <DavidWHodgins> Updates to apps. 20:05:36 <DavidWHodgins> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 20:05:38 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 20:05:57 <MrsB> Who'd like to get involved in that? 20:06:27 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try to get back into testing mode. Been having some other problems lately. 20:06:29 <MrsB> this is the 'bread and butter' job of QA 20:06:37 <Kernewes> never heard of most of those things 20:06:45 <MrsB> yes, i know you've had problems Dave, you're missed :) 20:06:46 <wrw105> I can check into a few new areas--I've mostly been sticking to apps I'm familiar with thus far--a lot of the server side stuff is beyond me at the moment (php, etc) 20:07:01 <MrsB> wrw105: great! 20:07:08 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: That's part of the fun of qa testing. Testing apps you've never heard of before. 20:07:12 <MrsB> I or Dave can help you 20:07:20 <wilcal> I muck around in the multimedia stuff mostly 20:07:29 <Kernewes> it's finding the time to learn about new stuff 20:07:45 <wrw105> agreed, kernewes! 20:07:51 <MrsB> We have a wiki page which is always linked to from the topic in here which tells you the procedure to follow when testing updates 20:08:19 <MrsB> please find time :) we need to get back on top of this 20:08:32 <Kernewes> will try 20:08:45 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates 20:08:54 <MrsB> that is the process we use 20:09:01 <wrw105> Things should open up for me a bit more after Saturday--my brother's in town with his 1-year-old. 20:09:19 <MrsB> that'll be good then wrw105, thankyou 20:09:37 <MrsB> remember, you're never alone, help is only a question away 20:09:58 <MrsB> we all were new at one point so we know it can be daunting 20:10:30 <MrsB> Anybody else? 20:10:43 <MrsB> ideally we should all be doing this between ISO releases 20:11:26 <MrsB> what can we do to make that possible do you think? 20:11:27 <Kernewes> couldn't do anything this past week because I wasn't feeling well 20:11:56 <Tonyb> I've bookmarked the process page; will check it out but no promises 20:12:22 <MrsB> what would stop you Tonyb? 20:12:31 <MrsB> if we know then we can do something about it 20:13:41 <wilcal> I see a new set of nvidia drivers in 2/i586/media/nonfree/updates_testing 20:13:48 <wilcal> testing that would that help 20:13:56 <Tonyb> Time, mostly. So far I've focussed on the full DVD betas but not done anything on individual packages - perhaps not even seen the need although it sounds obviously dumb when said! 20:14:20 <wilcal> You saw the bug I reported today 20:14:26 <wilcal> Bug 8916 - Attempt to upgrade from M2 -> M3B2 fails 20:14:28 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8916 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, Attempt to upgrade from M2 -> M3B2 fails 20:14:59 <MrsB> #info every update for stable releases is tested by QA 20:16:08 <MrsB> that's a cauldron bug though wilcal, we test mga2 updates 20:16:21 <MrsB> (and mga3 aswell when it lands) 20:16:37 <Luigi12_work> he was testing upgrading with the beta DVD 20:16:46 <wrw105> I saw an opera update in testing this AM..is there a bug coming on that one soon? 20:16:50 <MrsB> yep, i can see :) 20:17:41 <Luigi12_work> wrw105: depends on if Funda (or someone else) files a bug 20:17:41 <MrsB> not sure wrw105, it's best not to leave updates testing enabled. Only enable it to install the packages needed for a particular update. 20:18:25 <MrsB> Have a read of the wiki page, it explains how we do it 20:18:38 <Tonyb> will do 20:18:42 <wrw105> I've only got it updating manually for tests...I've got the appdb set so I see new stuff when it comes in, and was looking at what needed to be tested earlier today after reading claire's email. 20:18:43 <wilcal> If I built an M2 system with the old nvidia driver then successfully installed the updates_testing version where would I report that 20:19:26 <MrsB> on the relevant bug which you can find here http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 20:19:28 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 20:19:38 <MrsB> all the bugs on that page are assigned to qa-bugs 20:19:44 <DavidWHodgins> Bug 7902 in that case. 20:19:45 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7902 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED, update request: nvidia173, nvidia96xx and ldetect-lst (was: restore NVIDIA binary driver for GeForce FX (nvidia173 series)), nvidia173, nvidia96xx, ldetect-lst 20:19:52 <MrsB> they're waiting for us to validate them before they can be pushed as an update 20:20:21 <MrsB> to validate something we have to test at least once on each architecture (i586/x86_64) 20:20:50 <MrsB> before we started ISO testing we had the list down to 4 or 5 bugs 20:20:54 <DavidWHodgins> Unless it's a noarch package, in which case testing on one arch is enough. 20:21:25 <MrsB> it's slowly growing to a point where we could easily lose control and have more updates than we can ever catch up with 20:21:53 <MrsB> not so slowly though when Luigi12_work gets going :D 20:22:33 <DavidWHodgins> Shall we move on to the next topic? May as well review which ones are highest priority. 20:22:37 <MrsB> Can we all please have a go, follow the wiki procedure, and if you need guidance with anything please just ask somebody 20:23:06 <MrsB> yep, nagged enough :) 20:23:08 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:23:32 <DavidWHodgins> Ping Luigi12_work: 20:23:34 <MrsB> Over to you Luigi12_work 20:23:53 <Luigi12_work> oh, sorry was away assigning a bug to QA 20:23:56 <Luigi12_work> oden forgot to 20:23:59 <MrsB> lol 20:25:48 <Luigi12_work> so as the last topic said, there are just a lot of things assigned to QA, so hopefully the list can be shrunk before the next set of ISOs 20:25:59 <Luigi12_work> the main ones right now are of course samba and squid, as the madb page shows 20:26:09 <MrsB> we have to shrink it, one way or another 20:26:27 <Kernewes> when are the next ISOs due? 20:26:29 <Luigi12_work> both deal with the web thingy those packages come with, so not as super critical as if it was the core software itself at issue 20:27:02 <MrsB> Kernewes: there's a link, i'll show you later 20:27:12 <Luigi12_work> the web thingies are optional subpackages in both cases (samba-swat and squid-cachemgr) 20:27:21 <Kernewes> MrsB: oh I think I know the one you mean 20:27:50 <MrsB> how do i sum that up in an info :D 20:28:02 <DavidWHodgins> Memory leaks/denial of service. Minor, but still has to be taken care of. 20:28:45 <Luigi12_work> after that, probably qemu-kvm and proftpd would be the more important of the remaining ones. Oh, and maybe drupal too. 20:28:53 <wilcal> example: webmin-1.610-1.1.mga2.noarch.rpm 20:28:57 <MrsB> #info squid & samba are priority, to do with the web interfaces 20:29:04 <DavidWHodgins> No poc, so just need testing that they install cleanly and work. 20:29:17 <Kernewes> what's poc? 20:29:19 <MrsB> #info after that proftpd and qemu-kvm 20:29:34 <MrsB> poc is shorthand for Proof of Concept 20:29:36 <wilcal> I can set up a system to install this updates_testing version but I can't run vulnerabilities testing against it 20:29:48 <DavidWHodgins> qemu-kvm must be tested on real hardware, not in a vm. 20:30:30 <MrsB> wilcal, you don't install it with updates_testing, you install a stable mga2 and only enable updates testing to seletively install the few rpm's you're testing at that time 20:30:45 <DavidWHodgins> When there is a poc, we test the current version first, to confirm it's vulnerable, then test the update, to confirm it's fixed. 20:31:04 <wilcal> yes I understand that but i'm not capable of throwing a bunch of compromisies against it 20:31:15 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: oh I see, it's when you check you can reproduce the bug 20:31:20 <MrsB> you might surprise yourself 20:31:20 <wilcal> I can make sure the new version installs and runs though 20:31:41 <wilcal> the webmin thing is a security thing 20:31:43 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. That way we can confirm the update fixes the problem it's supposed to. 20:31:43 <MrsB> we only test with PoC's if we have them, it's usually a case of just following instructions 20:32:24 <Kernewes> ah, didn't realise that was called poc 20:32:41 <Luigi12_work> for the webmin I was hoping to get more thorough testing since it's a version upgrade + a lot of local mga-specific fixes 20:32:56 <Luigi12_work> which is why I asked when I posted it not to rush to validate, but then nobody rushed to test it it seems :o( 20:33:06 <Tonyb> At least this discussion has given me weblinks I didn't know as a newbie; have just browsed the Appdb list and a bit appalled at the work there. Will see what I can do to contribute more. 20:33:08 <DavidWHodgins> For webmin, I think we should add some more configs, such as postgresql. 20:33:16 <wilcal> Lemme at least see if I can get the upgrade_testing version running here 20:33:27 <Luigi12_work> I'd really like the webmin to get a good workout before the release freeze in Cauldron, just in case anything needs fixed 20:33:39 <MrsB> thanks Tonyb! I did email the list after ISO testing with all this info too though 20:33:50 <wilcal> I think I can do the webmin thing in Vbox 20:33:54 <MrsB> If you lose the link, it is always available in the topic here in this channel 20:34:20 <MrsB> Please also subscribe to qa-bugs ML if you haven't already 20:34:34 <MrsB> emails from there come with [qa-bugs] in the topic so easy to filter 20:34:55 <MrsB> https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/qa-bugs 20:34:56 <[mbot> [ qa-bugs - QA bug reports from bugzilla - info ] 20:35:39 <MrsB> As always, if there is anything you're not sure about, just please ask 20:36:13 <MrsB> it will help to have somebody available on IRC to guide you as you're doing it 20:36:47 <MrsB> Are there any questions or comments on this so far? 20:36:49 <Tonyb> OK 20:37:29 <MrsB> if not, lets move on. Thanks Luigi12_work. 20:37:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic FOSDEM Anybody going? 20:37:51 <MrsB> Now I've nagged you all.. 20:37:59 <MrsB> is anybody going to fosdem this year? 20:38:06 <Kernewes> can't afford it 20:38:06 <wilcal> Question concerning FOSDEM 20:38:12 <Tonyb> Sebsebseb mentioned to me before the mtg that he was going 20:38:12 <MrsB> fire away 20:38:17 <wilcal> always in the same place likely same place next year 20:38:47 <MrsB> AFAIK it's always the same place, yes 20:38:48 <sebsebseb> the mtg what? 20:39:01 * sebsebseb is going to FOSDEM yep 20:39:03 <MrsB> sebsebseb: is going to fosdem 20:39:04 <wilcal> I've put a note to self about attending next year ( 14 ) 20:39:18 <Tonyb> s/mtg/meeting/ 20:39:19 <wilcal> Back to my old haunts in The Netherlands 20:39:22 * sebsebseb might end up having a printer issue not quite sure yet, would rather not go to the local library to print stuff tomorow before going, but might have to hmm 20:39:32 <MrsB> Mageia has the official General Assamebly meeting there 20:39:38 <sebsebseb> yep it does :) 20:39:41 <wilcal> Yes, I saw that 20:39:42 <MrsB> Assembly* even 20:39:53 <sebsebseb> they will try and book a room :) 20:39:55 <sebsebseb> ,but 20:39:59 <wilcal> People start arriving on Thur and stay till at least Tues 20:40:04 <sebsebseb> voting for the board and suc will be done on a epoll 20:40:12 <MrsB> that's right sebsebseb yep 20:40:20 <sebsebseb> wilcal: no for FOSDEM, people go on the Friday 20:40:27 <sebsebseb> and most go back home on the Sunday when it finnisehs 20:40:32 <sebsebseb> ,but I am staying untill Monday this year :) 20:40:42 <sebsebseb> means I can stay no problem untill the every end and such :) 20:40:42 <wilcal> I'd be flying in for Thur morning, get over jet lag 20:40:50 <MrsB> Friday to Sunday really, some stay over to Monday but the do itself is just Saturday Sunday 20:40:51 <sebsebseb> wilcal: oh are you coming to FOSDEM? 20:40:59 <sebsebseb> oh you mean next year right ok :) 20:41:01 <MrsB> In the past they've put on tours of the city for bored relatives 20:41:02 <wilcal> Planning for 2014 20:41:07 <sebsebseb> ok nice :) 20:41:12 * sebsebseb thinks MrsB might be at FOSDEM 2014 to :d 20:41:14 <sebsebseb> and Kernewes 20:41:17 <wilcal> Brussels is a very nice place 20:41:22 <MrsB> maybe :) 20:41:28 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: who's going to pay my fare? 20:41:30 <wilcal> Lots of GREAT BEER!!! 20:41:41 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: yourself, unless you can get into the Magiea board some how before then :d 20:41:42 <sebsebseb> then Mageia 20:41:46 <sebsebseb> if you can't afford yourself 20:41:51 <MrsB> there are arrangement in place for beer i believe yep 20:41:52 <wilcal> Who usually attends from The Netherlands 20:41:53 * Kernewes drooling at the thought of all that Belgian chocolate 20:42:03 <MrsB> a few from NL 20:42:07 <wilcal> Kool 20:42:09 <sebsebseb> wilcal: Marja, Remmy, and Olav VItters 20:42:14 <sebsebseb> ,but Olav Is GNOME as well so 20:42:19 <MrsB> marja, remmy, eatdirt (Chris) 20:42:29 <sebsebseb> nope eatdrit it says is from Belgium going by the Wiki 20:42:33 <wilcal> OK again planning for next year may hitch a ride to Amsterdam after FOSDAM 14 20:42:36 <MrsB> ohhok 20:42:50 <sebsebseb> well 20:42:51 <sebsebseb> two things then 20:42:54 <sebsebseb> since talking about FOSDEM :) 20:42:57 <marja> MrsB: eatdirt is even French (living in Belgium) 20:43:08 <MrsB> lol i was way off then marja :D 20:43:11 <sebsebseb> I am thinking to put Mageia 3 Beta 2 on my netbook before going 20:43:16 <marja> MrsB: :) 20:43:37 <sebsebseb> with GNOME and KDE and such, and let people try it out on the stand, well as long as whoever is at the stand can look after it, make sure isn't knicked, quite small easy to go in a bag etc hmm 20:43:39 <wilcal> I've been running M3B2 on my Dell Vostro now since it released 20:43:41 <sebsebseb> or maybe only if I am at the stand then depends 20:43:53 <wilcal> Runs great 20:44:00 <Kernewes> If I went, I wouldn't understand a word of what was going on 20:44:04 <sebsebseb> also I got a really nice distro compaarion in the latest LInux User & Developer magazine 20:44:07 <Kernewes> I mean tyhe technical stuff 20:44:14 <Tonyb> Need a cable security 20:44:15 <Kernewes> could probably get by in a few langs 20:44:23 <MrsB> you can get security chain things can't you that slot into a hole on your laptop 20:44:36 <sebsebseb> and so on, mentioning M ageia and :) so brinigng that along, thinking have that on stand to, as long as get my magazine at end, could be good to have a few reviews :) may bring some more to along 20:44:47 <sebsebseb> ,but this Linux user and developer one is good, see's us as a main distro and all that to of course :) 20:45:01 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: yeah I saw that 20:45:11 <MrsB> sebsebseb is going to take lots of pictures to show us next week 20:45:15 <sebsebseb> someome might be interested in magazine reviews, so why not bring af ew along and have on stand, let people read that if they want, I am thinking :d 20:45:18 <wilcal> FWIW folks FOSDEM is the same weekend as the American Super Bowl 20:45:33 <sebsebseb> MrsB: uh not so sure about that, not used my mobile phone camera yet in fact my little brother did though 20:45:41 <Kernewes> wilcal: I wouldn't understand any of that either 20:45:46 <MrsB> that's true wilcal! MrB will be glued to the telly 20:45:52 <MrsB> 49ers fan 20:45:58 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: you get Linux user & developer ? 20:46:06 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: sometimes 20:46:08 <wilcal> All Stand Up all fall down make plans All Stand Up all fall down make plans All Stand Up all fall down make plans All Stand Up all fall down make plans 20:46:22 <Kernewes> wilcal: what???? 20:46:24 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: I am thinking of subscribing to it, out of the three it's the one I seem to preferu sally, as as in that one and Linux F ormat and LInux Magaine as well 20:46:31 <wilcal> American Football 20:46:35 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: you think good review, and worth letting people see from the stand if they want to? :d 20:46:59 <wilcal> That was a European Comment I heard years ago 20:47:11 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: let's read it again a moment 20:47:13 <MrsB> lol wilcal wondered what that was, now it all makes sense :D 20:47:29 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: started looking through older magaiznes for Mageia 2 reviews to, found a Linux Format that's ok to 20:47:50 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: yeah, the LUD one is short but positive 20:48:07 <sebsebseb> plus I remember they had a distro comparision not that long ago LInux Format with Mageia in there to, but not as good as this LUD one from what I remember 20:48:12 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: it depends who writes the LXF ones, some are better than others 20:48:23 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: a good selction of distros to, it's not just done on distrowatch popularity 20:48:24 <wrw105> Not that I'm a huge George Will fan, but I loved this line-to paraphrase: Football is, at its heart, the worst of America. When it comes down to it, it's violence punctuated by committee meetings 20:48:32 <Luigi12_work> hopefully that Sam Varghese guy from iTwire doesn't tear us up in his next piece since he's still hot from getting thrown out of a conference 20:48:33 <sebsebseb> if you lo9ok where someo f those distros are on distrowatch, you'll see what I mean, but hey are good distros :) 20:48:43 <MrsB> lol wrw105 20:48:51 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: oh what's that? 20:48:52 <MrsB> I'm going to remind MrB of that 20:49:17 <wilcal> Has there been anything significant mentioned on M3B2 iso's yet 20:49:25 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: I could get to the Baltimore Ravens' training facility from here by time the meeting closes 20:49:27 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: someone, I think it was in LXF, compared what Mageia was doing to KDE with what Mint did with GNOME to make it easy to use 20:49:38 <MrsB> Hopefully not, they're not ready for review yet :\ 20:49:50 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: I think good to have a few magazine reviews on stand to 20:50:01 <sebsebseb> obviosuly we will stay how great it is etc, but they can read reviews from magazines to if they really want that way to :d 20:50:04 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: can you slip them something to send them to sleep ;) 20:50:16 <wilcal> After all the stress during testing it seems everything is plugging and playing 20:50:17 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: good idea 20:50:17 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: they already left for New Orleans 20:50:32 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: just as long as my magazines aren't knicked, or netbook for trying hmm 20:50:50 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: true 20:50:58 <MrsB> Shall we do the last topic.. as we're there anyway? 20:51:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:51:12 <wilcal> YIPPPEEEE NFS got fixed too 20:51:23 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development#Development_Planning 20:51:26 <wilcal> LibreOffice looks clean 20:51:35 <MrsB> The page showing expected release times etc 20:51:43 <Tonyb> perhaps not really qa, but UEFI stuff is becoming more critical 20:51:51 <wilcal> I still think there are lurking giants in gstreamer 20:52:06 <Kernewes> well that timescale gives us a bit of a chance to do updates 20:52:16 <wilcal> so many gstreamer dependencies 20:52:21 <wrw105> One minor thing--is it possible to be subscribed twice to qa-bugs on the same email account? I seem to get a lot of duplicate emails. 20:52:23 <MrsB> Tmb was saying he *might* try and include uefi in mga3. Secure boot is another matter though, that's a discussion for mga4 20:52:38 <DavidWHodgins> My system has uefi, but defaults to regular bios, so once I learn how, I can help with uefi testing. 20:52:39 <Kernewes> wrw105: I think there's qa-bugs and qa-discuss 20:52:53 <DavidWHodgins> No secure boot option, as far as I know. 20:52:59 <Luigi12_work> just be careful with testing UEFI stuff 20:53:14 <Luigi12_work> saw something yesterday about an Ubuntu bug that was bricking some machines with UEFI 20:53:23 <MrsB> samsung 20:53:27 <Luigi12_work> yeah 20:53:36 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8749 OpenShot has a save project problem important to me but not critical now 20:53:36 <MrsB> it's more the samsung tool itself 20:53:37 <[mbot> Bug 8749: normal, Normal, mageia, mageia, NEW, OpenShot - Save project in "Other..." option does not work, openshot-1.4.3-2.mga3.noarch.rpm 20:53:41 <wrw105> kernewes: I'll double-check this week, but I think I'm mostly getting duplicates under QA-bugs 20:53:59 <Kernewes> wrw105: that sounds odd 20:54:02 <marja> wrw105: you can get them from the mailing list, but also because you're in the cc or because you filed them.... I get some bugs mails 4 times 20:54:17 <wrw105> marja: that could be it. Thanks! 20:54:29 <malo_> We need to be careful with that samsung thing. I still remember the famous CD drive issue with an old Mandrake ... 20:54:30 <Kernewes> marja: you're just being greedy :D 20:54:32 <Tonyb> Went to James Bottomley's UEFI talk at linux.conf.au yesterday; we need to stay abreast of where he is up to 20:54:38 <marja> Kernewes: :) 20:54:40 <MrsB> I don't understand that bug wilcal 20:55:02 <MrsB> can you show a screenshot or something on the bug report to make it clearer? 20:55:05 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. That's normal. One copy because you're in the cc list for the bug, one copy for the qa bugs mailing list, and one copy for the bugs mailing list, if you're subscribed to that too. 20:55:08 <wilcal> Openshot only saves to the user main directory no where else 20:55:26 <wilcal> You can't redirect with "other" directory 20:55:32 <MrsB> You can disable bugzilla automatically adding you to CC btw 20:55:40 <MrsB> it's in bugzilla preferences 20:55:45 <wilcal> I'll retest again with M3B2 and see if it's still there 20:55:55 <wrw105> Dave: so those are most likely just the ones I've already commented on. makes sense! 20:56:01 <Tonyb> In the next week or 2 he expects to have a (MS) signed binary which should enable editing PK and other keys on UEFI systems. 20:56:25 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: yes I think that's this review, that you were refering to by the way 20:56:44 <MrsB> It'll be looked into after mga3 Tonyb, there are no plans to implement it before then 20:57:16 <MrsB> there are a few different implementations too so it'll need careful thought 20:58:13 <MrsB> Does anyone have anything else? 20:58:21 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, as I understand it, uefi can boot directly to the kernel, without the need for grub. 20:58:25 <Tonyb> I think in recent weeks those implementations have come together somewhat 20:59:18 <Tonyb> There is a UEFI bootloader issue; latest work enables things like gummiboot (?) to work 20:59:42 <MrsB> let's end this one then and chat after. Thankyou all for coming! Same time next week. 20:59:47 <wilcal> How does UEFI relate to GRUB2? 20:59:51 <Kernewes> Thank you MrsB 20:59:53 <Tonyb> bye all 20:59:54 <MrsB> #endmeeting