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20:03:21 <MrsB> Hi everyboyd, welcome to another one :)
20:03:33 <MrsB> it's typo night tonight already :D
20:03:42 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:03:42 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:03:43 <wilcal> You had some kind of time constraint MrsB
20:03:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:03:56 <MrsB> lets see how it goes
20:04:05 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here tonight?
20:04:16 <MrsB> morning alfred__
20:04:29 <alfred__> morning Claire
20:04:32 * MrsB looks at the nick list
20:04:46 <MrsB> I think we're all old timers
20:04:46 <hurdman> hello folk
20:04:47 <alfred__> sorry for being late, the phone you know ;)
20:04:55 <MrsB> oops hi hurdman
20:05:02 <MrsB> no problem alf
20:05:21 <MrsB> Have you been before hurdman?
20:05:42 <MrsB> i seem to remember, a while ago
20:05:59 <hurdman> i'm always here, but i never say anything ^^"
20:06:21 <MrsB> well, don't be shy. We don't bite, but ennael carries matches
20:06:26 <hurdman> :D
20:06:45 <MrsB> welcome aboard anyway :)
20:06:54 <MrsB> Do you know everybody?
20:07:03 <hurdman> i know ennael
20:07:20 <MrsB> ok, well I'm Claire from the UK.
20:07:28 <DavidWHodgins> Hi hurdman.  I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada.
20:07:42 <Kernewes> Carolyn from Cornwall, UK
20:07:42 <MrsB> introduce yourself to the team and they'll return the favour
20:07:53 <hurdman> ok, it's you who sends the qa email Clare ?
20:07:56 <hurdman> claire*
20:08:04 <wilcal> wilcal from Surf City USA ( San Diego CA )
20:08:04 <MrsB> That's me yes
20:08:17 <alfred__> Alfred from Germany
20:08:18 <hurdman> I'm Yves-Gaƫl from france, (nantes)
20:08:37 <MrsB> I'm sure you've been once before haven't you, but a long time ago now
20:08:46 <hurdman> probably
20:09:08 <MrsB> and you're one of our iso testers too
20:09:12 <hurdman> yes
20:09:19 <MrsB> how are you getting on?
20:09:47 <hurdman> but i haven't enough time now, so i'm ever late
20:10:07 <MrsB> we all have a bit the same problem :)
20:10:13 <hurdman> i'm fine, thx, and you ?
20:10:40 <hurdman> you're going to FOSDEM ?
20:11:01 <MrsB> I won't be no :( need to find a $job
20:11:35 <MrsB> are you going hurdman?
20:12:05 <hurdman> i want , but i don't know now if i'll have enough time to
20:12:27 <wilcal> FOSDEM is every year ( FEB ) and in the same place right?
20:12:34 <hurdman> yes
20:12:44 <wilcal> Likely same thing next year
20:12:52 <MrsB> there will be a number of people there if you do decide to go, there's also a wiki page if you can attend the dinner, see the wiki page here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2013
20:13:13 <wilcal> Read the wiki, yep.
20:13:22 <hurdman> oh Nanar is going ^^
20:13:26 <MrsB> welcome anyway, lets move on to the next topic
20:13:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 2
20:13:34 <MrsB> thanks Dave
20:13:48 <MrsB> So we're almost there
20:14:09 <MrsB> there are a few things which might make tmb/ennael decide to rebuild..
20:14:19 <ennael> yep ?
20:14:20 <MrsB> any word on that ?
20:14:30 <wilcal> Are we to expect some new isos before officially releasing them
20:14:42 <ennael> well you have the last word
20:14:45 <DavidWHodgins> I've tested all iso images.  The only bugs I found, that I think should be considered as blockers for beta 3 are both regressions.  Diskdrake won't let you select/use an existing encrypted filesystem.  Installer shows firewall disabled, even if it isn't.
20:15:00 <MrsB> the Wifi problems, 8228
20:15:10 * MrsB trying to find the other one
20:15:13 <Kernewes> I couldn't get the firewall enabled at all
20:15:25 <Kernewes> it keeps going back to showing no firewall
20:15:32 <Kernewes> even after installation
20:15:53 <wilcal> So no firewall even if you put one up
20:15:54 <DavidWHodgins> True, but after install, shorwall was working, with the rules selected during configuration.
20:16:04 <MrsB> ahh kernewes intel gpu problems bug 8803
20:16:06 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8803 critical, High, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, Can't boot 3beta2 on HP Pavilion g6 laptop (intel card)
20:16:13 <hurdman> MrsB: the wifi is fixed, no ?
20:16:25 <MrsB> in cauldron, yes
20:16:31 <Kernewes> I'll have to have another look at that tomorrow now
20:16:34 <rindolf> Oh, sorry for having missed the beginning of the meeting - was distracted.
20:16:35 <rindolf> Hi all.
20:16:40 <MrsB> hiya rindolf
20:16:44 <rindolf> MrsB: hi.
20:16:55 <wilcal> FWIW my M3B2 laptop (DELL) works wonderfully well with it's WiFi
20:17:00 <ennael> these are annoying bugs but I guess not critical enough to rebuild all isos
20:17:06 <MrsB> so, I don't know. It's up to you guys whether those issues are worth a rebuild and more tests :\
20:17:21 <Kernewes> MrsB: why did you put the PDF viewer one as a release blocker?
20:17:36 <MrsB> because it can't be added once the isos are out
20:17:51 <Kernewes> could be in beta3 though?
20:17:56 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi
20:18:09 <MrsB> release blocker meaning final release rather than beta
20:18:20 <Kernewes> sebsebsebeeepc: wasn't your nick long enough already?
20:18:27 <ennael> bug number for pdf viewer ?
20:18:37 <MrsB> hrmm
20:18:41 * Kernewes can't remember will have to look
20:18:57 <wilcal> My biggest issue(s) are the on-going NFS issues
20:18:59 <ennael> ah
20:19:00 <ennael> 8796
20:19:00 <sebsebsebeeepc> Kernewes: not using my normla nick or normal computer  for this kind of stuff
20:19:11 <Kernewes> #8796
20:19:41 <MrsB> that's the one bug 8796
20:19:42 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8796 minor, release_blocker, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, No PDF viewer with LXDE-only installation
20:20:24 <ennael> well LXDE is chosen for a minimal install so it's not intended to provide everything a "normal" DM would provide
20:20:33 <hurdman> agree
20:20:46 <MrsB> but it does offer to open it with gimp
20:20:50 <DavidWHodgins> The pdf viewer can always be installed later.
20:21:08 <hurdman> ( and the #8803 is very strange can't get the same on an over intel :/ )
20:21:09 <Kernewes> it's something most people will need, I would have thought
20:21:14 <DavidWHodgins> We don't have a live iso using lxde, so it shouldn't be a release blocker.
20:21:38 <tmb> I think I  need to rebuild live images for new drakx-net/meta-task/stage2 and some more broadcom-wl fixes., drop xguest... and I think the same packages should be updated on install dvds too
20:21:41 <alfred__> DavidWHodgins: agreed
20:21:43 <ennael> still LXDE is used for minimal install and if we add lots of requires then we cannot use it anymore
20:21:55 <Kernewes> ok
20:22:27 <malo> maybe that bug is more about the mimetypes, no?
20:22:42 <MrsB> I'd much rather we didn't rebuild but think it's right that we consider it
20:22:47 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Does that include a fix for diskdrake, selecting/using existing encrypted filesystems?
20:23:26 <ennael> tmb: it seems to be all about broadcom.
20:23:29 <ennael> ?
20:23:45 <hurdman> DavidWHodgins: it's not fixed , isn't it ?
20:23:56 <ennael> I don't think so
20:23:59 <leuhmanu> DavidWHodgins: nobody say it was fixed
20:24:18 <DavidWHodgins> True, but the bug reports don't always get updated.
20:25:36 <MrsB> Is it possible to release from fosdem?
20:26:13 <Kernewes> MrsB: you mean let ennael go home again afterwards?
20:26:19 <MrsB> lol
20:26:40 <ennael> no way
20:27:06 <ennael> to avoid loosing people we should rebuild tonight and say we finalize it for saturday the latest
20:27:13 <MrsB> ok, so if we rebuild we need to be able to test and release tomorrow
20:27:16 <MrsB> yep
20:27:16 <ennael> there won't be many changes
20:27:24 <MrsB> minimal testing only then
20:27:27 <ennael> yep
20:27:38 <wilcal> I'll look at some tomorrow afternoon CA time
20:27:39 <ennael> so don't get upset if we don't take into account other bugs
20:27:45 <MrsB> nope
20:27:48 <DavidWHodgins> Ok
20:28:06 <ennael> would be nice to share isos between people
20:28:12 <ennael> to avoid multiple tests
20:28:16 <MrsB> so is the final decision to do a rebuild?
20:28:39 <ennael> looks so if the point is to test also broadcom drivers
20:29:05 <wilcal> Unfortunately my laptop uses a Atheros AR9285
20:29:05 <ennael> and that was the point explained by tmb in council meeting
20:29:07 <tmb> yep, and the drak-net fix is also for all wireless users
20:29:17 <ennael> yep
20:29:28 <hurdman> i have one with a broadcom
20:29:30 <MrsB> #info there will be one final rebuild to add some fixes for broadcom, drakx-net, meta-task and remove xguest from live isos
20:29:32 <ennael> so can we share isos between people ?
20:29:57 <MrsB> #info please do minimal testing on the new ISos as we'd like to release tomorrow in time for fosdem
20:30:10 <tmb> but we'll cherrypick the rpms, so no extra packages will be updated....
20:30:23 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: We already do.  I have a fast enough system, that I try to test all iso images.  Most people only test a few.  But, I don't have wireless.
20:30:27 <MrsB> #info please try to optimise your time and test ISOs which havent yet been tested rather than duplicating
20:30:33 <leuhmanu> (we have only 3 releases before the official so this is indeed better)
20:31:01 <MrsB> Should we aim for a deadline?
20:31:10 <ennael> yes
20:31:17 <ennael> or it will be endless
20:31:20 <MrsB> yep
20:31:21 <hurdman> :)
20:31:27 <DavidWHodgins> How about 24 hours from now?
20:31:27 <ennael> people are tired and I think it's normal
20:31:33 <MrsB> people will need to make preparations for travelling too
20:31:42 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: if you think it's doable then go for it
20:31:56 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on how long the rebuilding takes.
20:31:56 <ennael> would be nice to avoid 2d we on isos qa
20:32:08 <ennael> I can have the isos done within 2h
20:32:10 <sebsebsebeeepc> missed the begining of this, so uhmm one ore build to test wireless and such is it
20:32:13 <MrsB> I'm thinking more midday tomorrow
20:32:16 <MrsB> UTC
20:32:35 <MrsB> thats right sebsebsebeeepc, yep
20:33:02 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: different time zones etc,  24 hours from now would be better probably
20:33:19 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: unlsss you want DavidWHodgins to be testing at night for example :d
20:33:23 <MrsB> ennael tmb when are you travelling to fosdem?
20:33:25 <hurdman> to short for me
20:33:42 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: that's next week FOSDEM
20:33:42 <DavidWHodgins> If the iso images are ready in 2 hours, I can run basic tests after that, on all iso images, but I don't have wireless, so can't test that part.
20:33:48 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: next weekend, not this one
20:33:52 <MrsB> ohhh right, of course
20:33:54 <ennael> :)
20:34:03 <hurdman> 24 hours seems nice, no ?
20:34:04 <MrsB> well, that's one worry fewer then
20:34:21 <ennael> still if we can close it tomorrow that would be great
20:34:32 <sebsebsebeeepc> ennael: yep
20:34:34 <MrsB> yes, in that case 24hrs is good. I had it in my head that people were on the road tomorrow :D
20:35:15 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: I got wireless on my netbook
20:35:19 <sebsebsebeeepc> not sure which
20:35:37 <sebsebsebeeepc> i guess a ISO worth teting on it then?
20:35:52 <MrsB> yep indeed
20:36:09 <tmb> ok, me goes preparing frozen tree with selected updates...
20:36:14 <DavidWHodgins> I do have a wireless usb dongle, but the wireless "feature" in my router died, so I have to use a wired connection.  No unsecured neighbours around. :-)
20:36:15 <ennael> ok
20:36:29 <sebsebsebeeepc> kind of off topic, but when is the new artwork coming in Beta 3
20:36:33 <wilcal> M3B2 Cauldron works GREAT on my Atheros AR9285 Dell Laptop
20:36:33 <sebsebsebeeepc> ?
20:36:38 <MrsB> that's a thought. i wonder if I can find an old USB owifi thing
20:36:48 <ennael> ok preparing new isos then
20:36:50 <leuhmanu> DavidWHodgins: topic of next council meeting :)
20:37:14 <MrsB> sebsebsebeeepc: ^^
20:37:28 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: hmm?
20:37:34 <hurdman> if the isos are here in two hours, i probably can test the broadcom this night
20:37:39 <MrsB> Is everybody OK with this? Can we have one last big push tomorrow to get these ISOs out of the door?
20:37:47 <DavidWHodgins> Yep.
20:37:48 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: yep
20:37:56 <leuhmanu> yep
20:37:57 <wilcal> Sounds like a plan to me
20:38:02 <Kernewes> Depends if the doc says I can go back to work tomorrow
20:38:03 <hurdman> deal
20:38:06 <sebsebsebeeepc> if the ISO's are made in time may een test tonight
20:38:12 <MrsB> I'm sure he won't Kernewes
20:38:22 <Kernewes> lol
20:38:35 <ennael> looking more and more like a childbirth :)
20:38:36 <hurdman> Kernewes: say that you have a release
20:39:14 <MrsB> #info please let's have one last big push tonight/tomorrow to get the new ISOs tested (when they land ) and release beta 2!
20:39:20 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: hmm ok o its Ateheros wireless in this netbook
20:39:27 <MrsB> thanks guys
20:39:30 <MrsB> next topic?
20:39:49 <sebsebsebeeepc> Atheros
20:39:59 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:40:02 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:40:03 <MrsB> :)
20:40:19 <wilcal> HiYa Luigi
20:40:20 <MrsB> If you aren't already aware, Luigi12 prepares most of our security updates
20:40:25 <Luigi12_work> so as always the available updates for testing are here:  http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:40:27 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
20:40:29 <MrsB> We've been neglecting him this last week or so
20:40:35 <DavidWHodgins> I'm currently testing mariadb on both arches.  Couldn't reproduce the problem, so just testing using phpmyadmin.
20:40:55 <Luigi12_work> yep mariadb is an important one, even though it's not marked as such
20:41:01 <Luigi12_work> the other important ones are marked
20:41:13 <Luigi12_work> and we actually have a few this week, unlike the last few weeks
20:41:21 <MrsB> no rest for the wicked
20:41:36 <DavidWHodgins> So firefox and thunderbird.
20:41:47 <Luigi12_work> I'm going to rebuild FF this weekend, but the *only* change will be fixing the duckduckgo thing, so it really needs tested so we can get it released hopefully soonish after ddg is fixed
20:42:31 <DavidWHodgins> Should tb be held till ff is ready to release, or can it be pushed before ff?
20:42:38 <MrsB> #info firefox is going to be rebuilt to fix the duckduckgo issues but FF & Thunderbird are high priority
20:42:39 <Luigi12_work> tb should be held
20:43:28 <MrsB> #info Thunderbird should be held until FF is ready
20:43:34 <DavidWHodgins> I've already been testing the current ff update, so minimal testing will be needed for it after the rebuild.  I'll test tb tomorrow.
20:43:44 <Luigi12_work_> bah, got disconnected, that was bad timing :o(
20:43:57 <MrsB> you didn't miss alot
20:44:24 <Luigi12_work_> anyway, TB shouldn't be pushed until FF is ready, but they can all be tested now
20:44:45 <MrsB> Have you set the 'blocks' appropriately Luigi12_work_?
20:44:48 <DavidWHodgins> I'll test them tomorrow, after beta 2 testing is done.
20:44:49 <Luigi12_work_> yep
20:44:52 <MrsB> :)
20:45:03 <leuhmanu> (works fine here)
20:45:39 <MrsB> Yep, when beta2 is out we have alot of catching up to do :(
20:45:57 <Luigi12_work_> just been a perfect storm of things that have held this update up, the update to FF 17 meant it needed more testing and there were some bugs that took a while to get fixed, then there was the mass rebuild, then iso testing
20:46:17 <MrsB> all just after xmas
20:46:29 <MrsB> it's been a bit mad this month
20:46:34 <Luigi12_work_> yeah, happy new year, here's some more bugs to fix
20:46:36 <DavidWHodgins> Plus rabbit dying for a day.  Did anyone figure out what went wrong with it?
20:46:37 <MrsB> lol
20:46:38 <wilcal> Burned up my Internet connection rsync'n everything
20:47:35 <MrsB> Update testing is less demanding on your bandwidth wilcal, we're always short of people to help out too. Please have a go!
20:47:44 <wilcal> will do
20:48:03 <MrsB> If there is anything you're unsure of, as ever, please just ask
20:48:10 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: you pinged me Monday night, do you remember what that was for?  Probably something relevant here I'd imagine.
20:48:21 <Luigi12_work> oh wait, no that was someone else
20:48:27 <MrsB> d'oh
20:48:31 <Luigi12_work> wrw something
20:48:35 <Luigi12_work> nevermind, sorry
20:48:35 <MrsB> wrw105
20:48:39 <Luigi12_work> any other questions for me?
20:48:45 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
20:48:54 <MrsB> nope, thankyou for that
20:48:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:49:08 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:49:10 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:49:14 <Kernewes> no
20:49:19 <wilcal> One mention here
20:49:23 <MrsB> go for it
20:49:50 <wilcal> I've run across a number of changes in gstreamer changes that are not compatible with some packages
20:50:16 <wilcal> I''ve opened a few Bugs but those bugs may relate to many apps not just the ones mentioned
20:51:32 <wilcal> 8748 talks about OpenShot but with gstreamer changes other apps may be effected
20:52:06 <MrsB> bug 8748
20:52:07 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8748 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, OpenShot has a problem with inputting mpeg2 or mp4 ( ffmpeg/gstreamer? ) audio, ffmpeg or gstreamer1.0
20:52:17 <wilcal> Yep
20:52:44 <wilcal> Not critical right now but has to be fixed for RC
20:53:41 <MrsB> That's probably something packagers will need to discuss
20:53:50 <MrsB> ennael ^^
20:53:50 <wilcal> Already in progress
20:53:55 <MrsB> ahh ok
20:54:47 <MrsB> do create bugs for anything you know to be affected by it tho wilcal
20:55:17 <wilcal> Since Multimedia and video editing on Mageia is my thing will do
20:55:34 <MrsB> that's great, good to have you in QA then!
20:55:57 <MrsB> not that is wasn't anyway :\
20:55:58 <wilcal> http://www.youtube.com/user/wilcalint all edited on Mageia
20:55:59 <[mbot> [ Bill Kenney - YouTube ]
20:56:01 <MrsB> that sounded bad :D
20:56:26 <MrsB> Is there anything else before we close?
20:56:32 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
20:56:37 <Led43__Mag1> just want to say sorry but I have to duck out of qa for a few months
20:56:45 <hurdman> tmb: BCM4312 is ok to test the patch ?
20:56:55 <sebsebsebeeepc> Led43__Mag1: oh?
20:56:56 <MrsB> Ah yes, sorry to lose you Led43__Mag1, don't dare disappear on us
20:57:38 <Led43__Mag1> will still be lurking in irc to give advice and attend any meetings if i can
20:57:43 <MrsB> I have one thing too
20:57:53 <MrsB> yes,please do
20:58:21 <MrsB> I won't be here this weekend, we're goin to my mum's for a couple of days
20:58:28 <Led43__Mag1> and press gang new people into helping
20:58:41 <MrsB> Dave would you mind keeping an eye on things?
20:58:48 <DavidWHodgins> No problem.
20:58:58 <tmb> ennael: frozen repo updated, you can start building
20:59:00 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: right ok, but Beta 2 shoud be ready for release tommorow anyway I guss
20:59:02 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try and be on irc more than I normally am.
20:59:04 <MrsB> Maybe liase with anne and thomas if I'm gone by then
20:59:09 <wilcal> Someone's usually here hang'n around
20:59:29 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
20:59:34 <MrsB> thankyou
20:59:53 <MrsB> Is there anything else, or shall we close?
20:59:57 <sebsebsebeeepc> nope
20:59:59 <wilcal> I'm done
21:00:04 <Led43__Mag1> not here
21:00:09 <Kernewes> or here
21:00:16 <alfred__> nothing else here
21:00:30 <MrsB> Thankyou all for coming, please make every effort to test the new isos when they arrive. Same time next week :)
21:00:33 <wilcal> Bye
21:00:38 <MrsB> #endmeeting