20:07:05 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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20:07:06 <sebsebseb> ISO's build 2 is delayed a bit
20:07:09 <DavidWHodgins> I've checked vb with all kernels on both arches.
20:07:19 <sebsebseb> oh that line got into the meeting :d
20:07:22 <MrsB> Hi everybody, welcome to another QA meeting :)
20:07:41 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: come on, you're slipping
20:07:44 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:07:44 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:07:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:07:50 <wilcal> Are all the changes in build do to the Live-CD/DVD versions the installers seem ok
20:07:55 <MrsB> not slipping lol
20:07:55 <sebsebseb> I think we got one new person :d
20:08:00 <DavidWHodgins> Had to wait till I was a chair. :-)
20:08:11 <MrsB> Is there anybody new who's joined us today?
20:08:14 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: oh, the dreaded protocol
20:08:43 * MrsB looking down the nick list
20:09:02 <sebsebseb> Tonyb is new? well there was a new tony I think
20:09:09 <MrsB> I think everybody has been at least once before
20:09:10 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been on an qa irc meeting before?
20:09:20 <Tonyb> Tony Blackwell, Brisbane, Australia, nearly new
20:09:27 <MrsB> hi Tonyb good of you to come :)
20:09:50 <wilcal> Brisnae where it's Summertime
20:09:58 <MrsB> so nobody really new this time then
20:10:04 <marja> I don't think I ever joined a meeting.... so I'm kind of new ;)
20:10:06 <DavidWHodgins> Tonyb: What time is it there? It's 3 pm here in London, Ontario, Canada.
20:10:21 <Tonyb> 6am Bris
20:10:34 <MrsB> nearly bedtime here
20:10:43 <MrsB> have you met everybody Tonyb?
20:10:56 <Tonyb> Mostly I think - or seen around
20:11:25 <DavidWHodgins> No topic list for today's meeting, so just repeating list from last week.  I'll go ahead with next topic.
20:11:31 <MrsB> great, well shout if there is anything you need or if you don't know what's going on
20:11:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic ISO testing
20:11:44 <MrsB> There was a topic list too :P
20:11:53 <rindolf> Hi all, sorry I'm late.
20:11:55 <wilcal> Yes, I have a question or request on the iso testing
20:12:00 <MrsB> hi rindolf
20:12:05 <sebsebseb> hi rindolf
20:12:05 <MrsB> yes go ahead wilcal
20:12:21 <wilcal> can someone here share with us as simple as possible what went wrong
20:12:30 <sebsebseb> rindolf: not missed much
20:12:30 <wilcal> with the Live-CD/DVD's
20:12:38 <DavidWHodgins> Found it.
20:12:43 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 2 - How's it going?
20:12:59 <MrsB> some packages didn't get rebuilt after there was a new kernel and glibc
20:13:13 <MrsB> it's cause all kinds of odd problems I think
20:13:24 <MrsB> fingers x'd the next build will fix most of them
20:13:28 <Tonyb> Still that ATA disk prob, confuses disk enumeration
20:13:32 <sebsebseb> ./join #mageia
20:13:37 <wilcal> I have 4 test platforms some worked most didn't
20:13:52 <Tonyb> wireless looks good ath5k
20:14:01 <MrsB> usb stick installs from live isos didn't seem to work
20:14:06 <Kernewes> marja: did you manage to confirm my GRUB2 problem?
20:14:26 <marja> Kernewes: I was told the isos would be rebuilt
20:14:29 <MrsB> that could be a symptom of the same thing Kernewes
20:14:31 <wilcal> but the installer DVD's did work
20:14:37 <wilcal> from a USB
20:14:38 <Kernewes> we'll see what happens next build then
20:14:48 <MrsB> yeah thats right wilcal
20:15:06 <wilcal> I was REALLY confused Wed
20:15:10 <MrsB> tmb anything to add ?
20:15:18 <wilcal> I always suspect I'm doing something wrong
20:15:22 <Tonyb> strange prob DVD's not automounted nedd to manually mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom
20:15:25 <Kernewes> wilcal: so do I
20:15:48 <MrsB> is there a bug open for it Tonyb?
20:15:49 <marja> MrsB: sorry for not having read everything thoroughly..... are we all supposed to test GRUB2 ?
20:15:56 <Tonyb> yes
20:15:59 <Kernewes> I did wonder that
20:16:06 <wilcal> FWIW I now have two machines a 32-bit & 64-bit built from boot.iso that are just fine
20:16:09 <MrsB> at some point marja but I'd test it in vbox for now
20:16:25 <Kernewes> MrsB: ah, not on real hw yet, ok
20:16:32 <marja> MrsB: I have one laptop that is only for testing, I don't mind testing for real there
20:16:39 <MrsB> it has to be installed to the MBR last I heard
20:16:53 <MrsB> sure, go ahead marja
20:17:08 <tmb> Well, you can test grub2 on real hw, but as it only want to be on mbr, it can mess up existing installs
20:17:08 <Kernewes> marja: me too, except mine has a problem with a bad sector or something at the moment
20:17:24 <marja> ouch
20:17:35 <MrsB> Does everybody understand how we use the pad etc?
20:17:44 <MrsB> how to create bugs etc
20:17:44 <wilcal> Yes, only use GRUB2 on a blank drive
20:17:47 <Tonyb> Not entirely
20:18:08 <MrsB> what is it you don't get Tonyb?
20:18:21 <MrsB> good time to ask :)
20:18:26 <Tonyb> Just learning protocol, will get there
20:19:25 <MrsB> the pad is mainly for our use only, we note on there what we're testing so we can see that everything gets tested. We note bugs we find and bug number for them
20:19:43 <MrsB> ennael and tmb keep an eye on the pad too
20:19:51 <Tonyb> Put some stuff with bug numbers in yesterday
20:20:12 <MrsB> that's good, did you remember to add 3beta2 to the whiteboard of the bugs?
20:20:36 <ennael> (yep)
20:20:39 <Tonyb> in bugs, couldn't see the 'whiteboard' field
20:20:53 <MrsB> it's at the top, just above the Keywords box
20:20:55 <Kernewes> ennael: (thank you)
20:20:58 <MrsB> on the left
20:21:06 <Tonyb> OK
20:21:16 <Kernewes> Tonyb: you have to submit one first then go back to it to see the whiteboard
20:21:23 <MrsB> oh, yes, thats true
20:21:27 <Kernewes> Tonyb: we're looking into getting that changed
20:21:29 <Tonyb> Ah
20:21:42 <MrsB> it needs sysadmin input to change it though
20:22:13 <MrsB> does that help you Tonyb?
20:22:25 <Tonyb> Ok, enough for me
20:22:42 <MrsB> if you're in the slightest bit uncertain about anything please do just ask
20:22:53 <MrsB> don't feel it's silly to ask, it never is
20:23:28 <MrsB> everybody else understand how things work?
20:23:37 <stblack> MrsB, but how the situation with grub2
20:23:53 <stblack> I did not test it, sorry
20:24:20 <MrsB> My understanding is it is in the early stages of being introduced stblack. It currently has to be installed onto the MBR
20:24:31 <Kernewes> stblack: I tried and couldn't get it to work
20:24:56 <MrsB> if you do find any bugs with it please do create some on bugzilla
20:24:57 <Kernewes> stblack: but that was with a live DVD and they've had other problems too
20:24:59 <Tonyb> Discussion on new Fedora release suggests might always be so
20:25:00 <DavidWHodgins> Pay attention in the bootloader setup in the summary, and ensure it will go on the mbr, not a partition.
20:25:15 <Kernewes> MrsB: can I just ask you to clarify something
20:25:19 <alfred__> for me it's working pretty good, detects and boots all other installed os
20:25:27 <MrsB> yes, it's maybe a limitation of grub2 rather than our tools
20:25:30 <sebsebseb> I installed Beta 1 with Grub 2 onto this computer to the MBR and :),  I'll test again on this computer with one of the builds for Beta 2 I expect, but possbily/probably on netbook to
20:25:35 <Kernewes> MrsB: do we put something on Bugzilla and then email the ML about it
20:25:44 <Kernewes> or not put it on until someone else has confirmed it
20:25:56 <Luigi12_work> Fedora 18 won't install GRUB2 to partitions either, only MBRs
20:26:13 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Virtualbox and all kernels except rt updates validated, ready to push.
20:26:13 <sebsebseb> well Grub is meant to go on the MBR usauly anyway so :d
20:26:31 <MrsB> If you find a bug which is likely to block the release, something major, then email qa-discuss and create a bug and make a note on the pad. It's best to CC tmb/ennael too
20:26:37 <MrsB> on the email i mean
20:26:41 <sebsebseb> that's  GRUB refering to both GRUB and GRUB2
20:26:55 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: I usually put grub on the / or /boot filesystem, and use the gag boot manager in the mbr.  With grub2, it must go in the mbr.
20:27:01 <Kernewes> what if I'm not sure if it's just me
20:27:11 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: the what boot manager?
20:27:18 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: haer hear
20:27:20 <DavidWHodgins> gag
20:27:25 <MrsB> sometimes it will be Kernewes, everybodies setup is different.
20:27:26 <Kernewes> what's that?
20:27:27 <Tonyb> grub2 & MBR: causes probs for some with multiboot but that's life it seems
20:27:31 * sebsebseb has like always or well yeah always I guess, put bootloader to MBR :)
20:27:33 <tmb> grub2 does support being installed on a partition too, but we haven't taught the installer how to "force" it to do so...
20:27:47 <tmb> ... yet, that is...
20:27:49 <Kernewes> MrsB: so you're saying don't wait until someone else notices the same thing
20:27:51 <MrsB> that's worth an info i think
20:27:54 <sebsebseb> tmb: oh ok
20:28:13 <sebsebseb> tmb: something else, GRUB 2 supports text only as well, but I don't see the option in Mageia yet
20:28:13 <MrsB> #info grub2 does support being installed on a partition too, but we haven't taught the installer how to "force" it to do so. At the moment it has to be installed to MBR
20:28:32 <stblack> thanks all for info
20:28:44 <tmb> sebsebseb, nope that is not integrated yet either...
20:28:56 <sebsebseb> right, but will be later on I assume :)
20:29:00 <DavidWHodgins> For info about gag, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAG_(boot_loader)
20:29:02 <MrsB> Kernewes: if it's a bug for you then it's a bug. Email qa-discuss too though so others can test for it
20:29:12 <Kernewes> MrsB: ok, thanks
20:29:15 <tmb> for mga3 grub2 will only be an option, grub legacy will be default
20:29:20 <MrsB> that's for major bugs Kernewes
20:29:32 <Kernewes> MrsB: ok
20:29:33 <sebsebseb> tmb: oh thought GRUB2 was going to be default for Mageia 3
20:29:42 <MrsB> if in doubt, do it anyway :)
20:29:53 <Tonyb> Lilo still supported?  Is working now with M3B2
20:29:55 <Kernewes> MrsB: fine, thanks
20:30:09 <marja> tmb: ah, that saves docteam a lot of work now..... only adding that GRUB2 can be chosen for MBR, isn't that much work :)
20:30:39 <sebsebseb> marja: may want to documenate Grub 2 a bit anyway :d
20:30:40 <tmb> sebsebseb: nope, we are "taking it slow" as grub2 is only being introduced now... we want _way_ more tests before defaulting to it...
20:30:52 <sebsebseb> oh ok @ tmb
20:31:29 <MrsB> Is there a way to detect other grub2 installs on the disk which could default to it where required tmb?
20:32:06 <sebsebseb> MrsB: what yiou mean having GRUB2 from another  distro being used no problem instead, of Mageia putting on one?
20:32:35 <sebsebseb> that's a point though,  sometimes people don't want to overwrite the bootloader form the other distro
20:32:45 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: no they don't
20:32:57 <alfred__> it's works for several mga installations so it should do wit other distro too
20:33:18 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: Until the option to put grub2 on / or /boot is there, it will always overwrite the mbr.
20:33:24 <wilcal> My favorite MBR/Bootloader fix-it tool is killdisk
20:33:29 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: well I have like always let the last distro I put on control GRUB, but not everyone wants to do that
20:33:39 <tmb> it's always possible to detect, but we still need to write that part in the installer :)
20:33:45 <MrsB> that doesn't sound like a fix-it tool wilcal
20:33:48 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: ah right yeah good point I guess
20:34:04 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: ,but I meant on the installer or wahtever, there could bea  option, NO don't install GRUB/GRUB2
20:34:13 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: at the moment i've got everything chainloaded to Mint's GRUB2 on my MBR and that work fine for me
20:34:53 <Tonyb> Kernewes: do you have to edit it via Mint then?
20:34:56 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: That would leave no way to boot into the newly installed system, without manually adding the boot stanza to the other installation's boot loader.
20:35:03 <Kernewes> Tonyb: yes
20:35:17 <Kernewes> Tonyb: that was following instructions in a magazine article ages ago
20:35:28 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: oh ok, but chainloading and such can be difficult, more so changing stuff in GRUB2's config than GRUB as well, untill people are more used to that,  and stuff like that, but that's something else
20:35:37 <Kernewes> Tonyb: at that time Ubuntu's GRUB2 which was also in Mint wasn't picking up other distros correctly
20:36:15 <sebsebseb> yeah apparnatly they patched Ubuntu's GRUB2 or whatever before, and that resulted in there being issues booting up other distros
20:36:16 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: it would be good if GRUB2 just picked up other installations without my input
20:36:29 <alfred__> Kernewes: it does
20:36:31 <MrsB> hopefully it will do when it's fully implemented
20:36:35 <Kernewes> alfred__: good
20:36:40 <DavidWHodgins> For now, if you don't want to overwrite the mbr, you pretty well have to stick with grub legacy.  That will change when the installer can force it to a partition.
20:36:49 <Kernewes> still, it was interesting learning about chainloading
20:37:12 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: in the insatller, there should be a don't install a bootloader option, maybe there is already
20:37:32 <MrsB> is everybody happy they know what they're doing with ISO testing ?
20:37:37 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Any eta for the next build completion?
20:37:40 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: doesn't Mga have to have a bootloader of its own?
20:37:54 <wilcal> I'm do'n fine with the ISO's
20:38:14 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: I think having that option could confuse too many people.
20:38:16 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: nope should be able to boot up Mageia from say GRUB or GRUB2 from another distro, if you have that one set up to,  without Mageia needing to put one on
20:38:24 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: with Ubuntu I belive, you can say don't install a boot laoder in the installer
20:38:28 <MrsB> It's waiting on LO I think DavidWHodgins
20:38:58 <sebsebseb> that was GRUB and GRUB2 above
20:38:59 <MrsB> oh LO was built this afternoon
20:39:01 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: never noticed that, only that you can choose where to put it
20:39:12 <Kernewes> MrsB: hooray
20:39:15 <rindolf> MrsB: LibreOffice?
20:39:19 <MrsB> yep
20:39:24 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: in fact really you can hack the WIndows bootlaoder or whatever, to boot up Linux as well, well yeah, Ubuntu's Wubi Windows isntaller thingey for example, but that's something else
20:39:44 <wilcal> LibreOffice 4.0 still has at least one missing package. It'll install but not launch and complains. I'm still pick'n at it.
20:39:54 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: wubi and mint4win are acting really strangely nowadays, not nearly so simple as they used to be
20:40:01 <Tonyb> Libreoffice generated lots of chained dependence errors preventing installation
20:40:06 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: oh ok
20:40:25 <MrsB> it was segfaulting wilcal, I ogt a backtrace and it's hopefully been fixed now
20:40:29 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: that's how I started with Linux, Ubuntu with wubi
20:40:44 <MrsB> might even have icons :)
20:41:02 <wilcal> My local repo is up-to-date today and still it won't launch. I'll wait a few days
20:41:07 <Kernewes> MrsB: steady, can't take too much excitement :)
20:41:12 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: I remember when loads of us doing Ubuntu support back in 2009 and 2010 and such in the big IRC channel, would recommend against Wubi since certain things,  but  getting off topic now, back to Mageia QA :d
20:41:14 <MrsB> i know!
20:41:40 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: I'll sync up frozen repo to get LO on it, and will rebuild liveCDs after, so people can test if usb issues are gone... if that seems ok, I'll build the liveDVDs
20:41:46 <MrsB> So have we done ISOs to death or is there anything else before we move on?
20:41:47 <dmorgan> MrsB: can you test new libreoffice ? and install libreoffice-debuginfo
20:42:02 <MrsB> oh, worth an info
20:42:20 <wilcal> No more ISO's please till next week. Too much stress
20:42:32 <Kernewes> too much real life :(
20:42:35 <MrsB> #info LiveCD's will come first and if it cures some USB issues LiveDVD's will follow
20:42:35 <tmb> :)
20:42:43 <DavidWHodgins> I've only tested the x86-64 dvd so far, and did not encounter the usb problem.
20:42:59 <wilcal> The installer DVD's don't seem to have a problem
20:43:04 <ennael> it has
20:43:09 * sebsebseb waits for the second builds at least, before beginign testing of Beta 2 :D
20:43:12 <ennael> in packages selection screen
20:43:27 <MrsB> is that done now ennael?
20:43:39 <ennael> not yet
20:43:41 <MrsB> k
20:43:49 <sebsebseb> second builds  are quite soon right?
20:43:51 <ennael> LO is being investigated also
20:44:03 <MrsB> I see it was rebuilt today
20:44:06 <wilcal> I did notice this morning that the 64-bit boot.iso wants to install to the USB drive and not the blank HD. More testing on me
20:44:08 <sebsebseb> impression I got from mailing list anwyay
20:44:30 <MrsB> we don't test the boot.iso as part of this wilcal
20:44:36 <wilcal> k
20:44:37 <Kernewes> is OOo available and working?
20:44:44 <MrsB> LO you mean
20:44:53 <Luigi12_work> when does QA start testing upgrades from mga2?
20:44:59 <Kernewes> no I mean if LO can't be got working is OOo available as an alternative
20:45:07 <MrsB> We already have done some Luigi12_work
20:45:21 <Luigi12_work> ok
20:45:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:45:30 <Luigi12_work> I did some tests too right before the mass rebuild, went pretty well actually
20:45:43 <Luigi12_work> oh hi :o)
20:45:43 <MrsB> yeah seemed quite good
20:45:46 <MrsB> and hi
20:45:53 <marja> Kernewes: I understood we can't have OOo because it conflicts with LO
20:46:08 <Luigi12_work> excited to hear kernel and virtualbox got validated :D
20:46:11 <MrsB> Luigi12_work builds most of our security updates if you've not met him yet. It's David Walser on bugzilla etc
20:46:21 <wilcal> Luigi, you know there is a serious serious java compromise in the wild?
20:46:22 <Kernewes> MrsB: well, we need one working office suite
20:46:32 <ennael> fix is in progress
20:46:36 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: well aware of that, it doesn't really affect us on mga2
20:46:42 <wilcal> k
20:46:45 <Luigi12_work> we're working on it though
20:46:49 <Kernewes> ennael: thanks
20:46:51 <dmorgan> Kernewes: i would prefer help on LO
20:46:54 <dmorgan> Kernewes: tests for ex
20:46:58 <dmorgan> backtraces, ...
20:47:10 <Luigi12_work> it does impact cauldron, and there will be an update for mga2, but it doesn't affect the browser plugin, so it's not as critical
20:47:11 <MrsB> are we sure of that Luigi12_work, enobody seemed to know for certain which versions were affected when I was reading
20:47:14 <sebsebseb> marja: FOSDEM is having both :D
20:47:16 <Tonyb> Bye all, work calls, traffic...
20:47:27 <Kernewes> dmorgan: seems LO is in hand
20:47:29 <MrsB> cya Tonyb thanks for coming
20:47:32 <marja> Tonyb: have a nice day
20:47:32 <DavidWHodgins> Bye Tonyb
20:47:33 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: our java plugin on mga2 uses Java 6, which is not affected
20:47:34 <Kernewes> Tonyb: bye
20:47:52 <dmorgan> Kernewes: we never have enough help ;)
20:48:05 <wilcal> The more eyes the better
20:48:18 <MrsB> #info MGA2 is definitely not affected by the java flaw found in java 7
20:48:42 <Kernewes> dmorgan: are you doing the LO builds?
20:48:53 <Luigi12_work> we will have a java-1.7.0-openjdk update for mga2, but it doesn't impact the browser plugin which uses java-1.6.0-openjdk
20:49:04 <MrsB> #undo
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20:49:07 <Luigi12_work> so it won't be as highly critical an update for us there
20:49:20 <MrsB> #info MGA2 icedtea-web broswer plugin is definitely not affected by the java flaw found in java 7
20:49:28 <MrsB> near enough
20:49:29 <Luigi12_work> that's better :o)
20:49:34 <dmorgan> Kernewes: ues
20:49:40 <MrsB> whatever a broswer is
20:49:53 <Kernewes> dmorgan: ues?
20:50:06 <dmorgan> yes
20:50:14 <Kernewes> dmorgan: what does that mean?
20:50:14 <dmorgan> but stop there is a meeting
20:50:23 <Luigi12_work> none of the security updates assigned to QA right now are high impact from what I can tell
20:50:31 <Kernewes> dmorgan: tell me afterwards
20:50:40 <MrsB> #info  none of the security updates assigned to QA right now are high impact
20:50:52 <Luigi12_work> the Firefox/Thunderbird updates will be of course, but FF still needs some patches added to fix Opus
20:51:10 <wilcal> I've been tinkering with FF19 and I like it
20:51:12 <Luigi12_work> hopefully as easy as applying the same patches used in the Iceape update
20:51:19 <MrsB> i had a go at reproducing the proftpd PoC and couldn't get it to work
20:51:25 <Luigi12_work> I hope to have a look this weekend
20:51:29 <DavidWHodgins> What is Opus again?  I know I've asked before, but I've forgotten.
20:51:37 <Luigi12_work> audio codec for streaming audio
20:51:38 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: that reminds me, why  does Mageia have Iceape and not Seamonkey, exactly, any idea?
20:51:40 <Luigi12_work> low latency
20:51:41 <wilcal> Fixes some serious streaming video problems from FF17
20:51:44 <MrsB> audio codec for html5
20:51:55 <Luigi12_work> sebsebseb: Iceape is the real name
20:51:58 <wilcal> http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/ is a good place to test it
20:51:59 <[mbot> [ Times Square Cam - EarthCam ]
20:52:16 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: no Iceape is a fork of Seamonkey to do with branding or whatever,  like  Iceweasel is a fork of FIrefox
20:52:24 <sebsebseb> by Debian, since FIrefox not free enough or whatever
20:52:59 * Luigi12_work hopes we can get the PHP update pushed soon too
20:53:02 <stblack> si also fixed the bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7704 for Chromium ?
20:53:03 <[mbot> Bug 7704: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, App icon in Chromium are grey, chromium-browser
20:53:04 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have
20:53:28 <stblack> bug confirmed also by pasmatt
20:53:31 <MrsB> #info the php update is next most important for Luigi12
20:53:49 <MrsB> needs testing 32 bit
20:54:08 <Luigi12_work> yeah I tested 32 bit but didn't test apc or eaccelerator
20:54:15 <Luigi12_work> or gd-bundled
20:54:24 <MrsB> you're free to, oden built it
20:54:38 <MrsB> if you get bored
20:54:49 <Kernewes> MrsB: lol
20:54:55 <Luigi12_work> how do you test apc/eaccelerator?  Just install them and make sure PHP still works?
20:55:05 <MrsB> use the web admin
20:55:21 <MrsB> theres a procedure on the bug, i try to put as much info as I can when testing
20:55:36 <Luigi12_work> ok, thanks, I'll take a look
20:55:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:55:49 <MrsB> you can see it caching pages and clear the cache etc
20:56:01 <wilcal> I would like to ask folks to use a wireless keyboard/mouse in testing if possible. Problems there again during install I think.
20:56:01 <MrsB> thanks for that Luigi12_work
20:56:23 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That's all I have on my current system.
20:56:32 <MrsB> It's likely due to the USB issues wilcal
20:56:40 <Kernewes> wilcal: I think I've got one somewhere
20:56:54 <wilcal> I ran into an old problem on my 64-bit machine this morning. A drive specific to Logitech I think
20:57:11 <wilcal> had the same problem on 2 in it's early stages. boot.iso only I think
20:57:13 <MrsB> #info please test USB is better in next ISOs
20:57:36 <wilcal> Bug 6541: Still lots of NFS issues
20:57:38 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541 normal, Normal, mageia, mageia, NEW, systemd seems to have problems with NFS mounts in /etc/fstab, systemd
20:58:23 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: On my system, lsusb shows 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
20:58:28 <MrsB> #info still lots of nfs issues mga3 see bug 6541
20:58:37 <DavidWHodgins> Both wireless keyboard and mouse.
20:59:07 <wilcal> Ya that's the one David. Thanks try a simple 64-bit usb based boot iso install
20:59:27 <MrsB> usb based is the issue i think wilcal
20:59:29 <wilcal> It starts fine then stops recognizing the keyboard and mouse
20:59:29 <DavidWHodgins> boot.iso or boot-nonfree.iso?
20:59:37 <wilcal> boot.iso
20:59:45 <wilcal> k
20:59:53 <DavidWHodgins> Ok.  I'll test that after the meeting.
21:00:11 <MrsB> if you try it again now it might be a bit better, some packages needed rebuilding
21:00:21 <wilcal> i just saw it this morning
21:00:32 <MrsB> yes, it's happened today
21:00:38 <MrsB> things move fast when iso testing!
21:00:41 <Luigi12_work> hey if you're gonna test boot.iso, can you try one thing and see if you can reproduce something?
21:00:43 <Kernewes> MrsB: what's happened today?
21:00:47 <wilcal> sure
21:00:59 <MrsB> the packages were rebuilt to hopefully cure the usb issues
21:01:03 <rindolf> MrsB: where should I report the "Icons on the desktop in KDE cannot be moved" bug?
21:01:04 <Kernewes> oh good
21:01:14 <Luigi12_work> if doing an HTTP installation, at one point it asks you for the proxy to use, if you hit Cancel instead of OK, see if it fails to load stage2
21:01:15 <rindolf> MrsB: it only happens with different widgets per desktop.
21:01:24 <wilcal> I'm using the 16 Jan boot.iso
21:01:31 <MrsB> is it one of the ISOs rindolf?
21:01:40 <Luigi12_work> rindolf: did you unlock the widgets first?
21:01:57 <rindolf> MrsB: it happens for a long time.
21:02:01 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: yes, I did.
21:02:13 <MrsB> bugzilla and pad if it's present on ISOs
21:02:21 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: I can resize the icons, but not drag+drop them.
21:02:25 <rindolf> MrsB: OK.
21:02:28 <MrsB> kde i take it?
21:02:40 <rindolf> MrsB: KDE, yes.
21:02:46 <MrsB> I'll check that next time
21:02:48 <rindolf> MrsB: our bugzilla's or bugs.kde.org?
21:02:54 <MrsB> please make a bug though and note it on the pad
21:03:03 <MrsB> ours first i guess
21:03:26 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Bugzilla first, and if requested, then on bugs.kde.org too, with links between them.
21:03:33 <wilcal> I can try that Luigi I use FTP but should be the same
21:03:35 <MrsB> it'll help if you can add kde people in CC too to save bugsquad doing it
21:04:03 <Luigi12_work_> webchat timed out again :o(
21:04:19 <MrsB> shhh he's back ;)
21:04:19 <Luigi12_work_> if you right click where the icons are there's a checkbox Icons > Lock in Place
21:04:34 <alfred__> rindolf: is maybe cause by symbols --> lock position
21:04:49 <DavidWHodgins> I do normally use a local http repo during installs, so easy for me to test.
21:04:58 <rindolf> alfred__: what?
21:05:07 <alfred__> the icon thing
21:05:23 <rindolf> alfred__: but what is it?
21:05:33 <rindolf> alfred__: where can I find this lock position thing?
21:05:55 <alfred__> right click on desktop and look into the menu
21:06:19 <Luigi12_work> alfred__: you mean Icons > Lock in Place, yes?
21:06:24 <alfred__> yes
21:07:00 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:07:14 <Kernewes> not here
21:07:19 <wrw105> sorry...got a phone call....I was going to ask about the duckduckgo thing--was that going to be added into iceape?  I've looked and there's an extension for it under seamonkey, but wanted to make sure MGA will get credit for it.
21:07:20 <DavidWHodgins> There are two settings. Right click on desktop, ensure Lock widgets is no set, and in folder view settings, under icons.
21:07:20 <wilcal> I'm done
21:07:26 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: what is that?
21:07:34 <MrsB> wrw105: hi.
21:07:50 <wrw105> Hi Claire
21:07:52 <Luigi12_work> rindolf: right click the folderview widget
21:08:08 <MrsB> I'm not sure tbh, it'll be up to maintainers for mga2 I think but it should be an option in mga3 browsers where it can be done
21:08:11 <Luigi12_work> wrw105: you'd have to ask spturtle about that (iceape)
21:08:30 <Luigi12_work> he's in #mageia-dev
21:08:39 <wrw105> Will do. once we're done here
21:08:42 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: where do I have a folderview widget?
21:08:52 <Luigi12_work> rindolf: that's what the desktop icons are in
21:09:05 <DavidWHodgins> Three options. Icons from the right click menu, lock widgests from the right click menu, and under the display tab in folder view settings.
21:09:09 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: they are directly on the desktop.
21:09:12 <Luigi12_work> so just right click near the icons and you should see Icons in the menu
21:09:26 <Luigi12_work> rindolf: that just means the folderview widget is your desktop containment, so you can right-click anywhere
21:09:38 <MrsB> shall we close?
21:09:45 <Kernewes> why not
21:09:52 <MrsB> can get more cake then
21:09:53 <wilcal> bye all see you next week
21:09:54 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.
21:09:59 <Kernewes> bye
21:10:06 <MrsB> thanks everybody for coming, keep on testing!
21:10:08 <marja> wilcal: bye :)
21:10:11 <MrsB> same time next week
21:10:11 <wrw105> Take care!
21:10:12 <Kernewes> MrsB: thanks
21:10:16 <MrsB> #endmeeting