20:07:22 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:07:22 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jan 10 20:07:22 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:07:22 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:07:34 <MrsB> Hi all welcome to another meeting 20:07:41 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:07:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:07:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? - Thinking about getting involved, come and say Hi! 20:07:51 <MrsB> lol thanks 20:08:07 <MrsB> Is there anybody new this week? 20:08:26 * MrsB looking at the list of nicks 20:08:59 <MrsB> i think we've all been here before 20:09:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic ISO testing 20:09:23 <MrsB> ahaa so the main event.. 20:09:43 <MrsB> #info the first buildsare expected this weekend 20:09:48 <MrsB> #undo 20:09:48 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x832f12c> 20:09:52 <MrsB> #info the first builds are expected this weekend 20:10:15 <MrsB> is everybody clear about how to test, what to test, how to use the pad etc etc? 20:10:26 <wilcal> I've a concern about M3B2 ISO's 20:10:26 <Kernewes> what's the focus with B2? 20:10:33 <Led43_Mag1> do we need new p/words to dl 20:10:43 <MrsB> ok, first one last 20:10:50 <wilcal> Bug 8535: LibreOffice is still broken and does not install 20:10:51 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8535 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, Missing package(s) and dependencies prevents installation of Libreoffice, libreoffice 20:11:00 <MrsB> yes, you'll need a password, I'll email everybody when I know it 20:11:06 <wilcal> Is that what M3B2 is gonna do 20:11:24 <MrsB> There are problems building LO at the moment 20:11:29 <MrsB> it's being worked on though 20:12:16 <wilcal> I understand we are moving on to 4 20:12:25 <MrsB> is that as a regular cauldron update wilcal? 20:12:41 <wilcal> Lemme post this: 20:12:46 <MrsB> hi napcok 20:12:51 <wilcal> I've successfully executed an entirely new 32-bit M3 KDE install from a blank drive up with using the 18 Dec 12 boot.iso this morning 20:12:52 <napcok> hi 20:12:59 <wilcal> LibreOffice did not install 20:13:11 <MrsB> ahh ok, well that's just regular cauldron. 20:13:27 <MrsB> Beta 2 will be a built first this weekend 20:13:51 <MrsB> LO is a major part of the installs so I guess it needs to be working before they'll build the isos 20:14:30 <MrsB> We concern ourselves with the finished article 20:14:32 <DavidWHodgins> LO is just one package, which can be fixed by an update after install, so it would not be a release blocker. 20:14:49 <Kernewes> it would be a deal breaker for me 20:14:57 <MrsB> yeah, it's pretty major. 20:15:07 <MrsB> It's up to release managers though really 20:15:16 <DavidWHodgins> Guess it would be a blocker for the live iso images, but not for the installer images. 20:15:34 <MrsB> Kernewes: you asked about focus 20:15:35 <Kernewes> well I need it for lots of stuff here 20:15:47 <Kernewes> MrsB: yes, what are we concentrating on this time? 20:16:03 <MrsB> we need to start to look in finer detail now but also need to ensure all hardware is supported. 20:16:29 <wilcal> I have three different testing platforms here 20:16:36 <MrsB> I posted some links in the long email i sent to qa-discuss which should give some ideas. 20:16:46 <DavidWHodgins> Now that cauldron is in version freeze, we have to start looking for packages that cause problems upgrading from Mageia 2 to 3, as well as everything we've been testing before. 20:17:09 <wilcal> Mageia 1 is no longer supported 20:17:18 <MrsB> Hopefully most of the major issues will begin to be less of an issue now and we'll be able to concentrate more on the rest of it 20:17:41 <Kernewes> MrsB: what would you want us to look at in finer detail? 20:18:33 <MrsB> #info anybody intending to help with pre-release qa testing of the ISOs please ensure your details are up to date here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers 20:18:41 <MrsB> well, the short answer is everything 20:19:04 <Kernewes> MrsB: use it as much as possible for different things 20:19:14 <MrsB> This might give you some ideas http://www.ethercalc.org/qa 20:19:15 <[mbot> [ EtherCalc - Share the URL to your friends and edit together! ] 20:19:26 <Kernewes> thanks 20:19:51 <Led43_Mag1> test apps to see if hey run or go deeper, like set up email account open doc play music 20:19:53 <MrsB> each spreadsheet can be printed off if you like by clicking the 'cog' icon at the top left 20:20:21 <MrsB> I think initially make sure your hardware works 20:20:31 <MrsB> then test each application 20:20:33 <Kernewes> don't worry, I'll soon say if it doesn't 20:20:40 <MrsB> then if we get time test deeper 20:20:50 <Kernewes> ok, that's helpful, thanks 20:20:58 <MrsB> it's still quite early so there will likely be bugs 20:21:00 <wilcal> I do a lot of multimedia including video editing 20:21:27 <MrsB> what's important is that each build of each ISO is tested on as many setups as possible 20:22:29 <MrsB> http://www.ethercalc.org/mga3-alpha1 is a better link, sorry 20:22:29 <[mbot> [ EtherCalc - Share the URL to your friends and edit together! ] 20:23:41 <MrsB> please only use that for reference though, we decided beefore that it was too clunky to use for what we want so we agreed to use the pad 20:24:40 <MrsB> #info I gave a bad ethercalc link in the long email to qa-discuss, the one above is better 20:25:10 <MrsB> anybody anything to add? 20:25:21 <Led43_Mag1> not here 20:25:28 <Luigi12_work> apparently libreoffice built 20:25:29 <wilcal> I'm good here 20:25:35 <wilcal> 4? 20:25:38 <MrsB> everybody clear on what we do and how we do it? 20:25:42 <wilcal> or still in 3? 20:25:49 <Kernewes> who cares as long as we have it 20:25:54 <wilcal> k 20:25:55 <Luigi12_work> 4 20:25:57 <Luigi12_work> beta 20:26:01 <wilcal> WOW! kool 20:26:16 <Kernewes> we're all happy then :) 20:26:33 <MrsB> This will be our last chance to get together before we start testing so if you have anything to ask now is a good time :) 20:27:03 <MrsB> or any comments on how it's done, suggestions to do it better, etc 20:27:26 <Kernewes> we need to have the pad cleared between builds 20:27:29 <Luigi12_work> lol, rpmlint rejected LO 20:27:46 <Kernewes> :( 20:27:51 <MrsB> #info reminder for Anne and Thomas to please tend the pad between builds, thanks. 20:29:06 <MrsB> #info if you have any questions about anything please don't hesitate to ask, either IRC or list 20:29:15 <wilcal> k 20:29:30 <MrsB> if there's nothing else then let's move on. Last chance..? 20:29:31 <DavidWHodgins> #Topic Luigi's Roundup 20:29:48 <MrsB> Thanks dave 20:30:03 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: pingaling 20:30:19 * Kernewes bracing herself for the "boo" 20:30:25 <Luigi12_work> boo 20:30:53 <MrsB> If you don't know already, Luigi12 builds most of our security updates, he is David Walser 20:30:55 <Luigi12_work> so the most important updates we have are still kernel and virtualbox 20:31:28 <DavidWHodgins> I'll be redoing my mass kernel install/update testing, after todays meeting. 20:31:33 <Luigi12_work> we also have an important freeciv update 20:31:46 <Luigi12_work> so if you like playing games, you'll like that 20:32:14 <Luigi12_work> if the local build is successful, I'll have an inkscape update soon, but it's not so important 20:32:14 <MrsB> #info the most important sec updates are kernel & vbox right now then freeciv (a game!) 20:32:51 <Luigi12_work> just some notes on other updates, dmorgan told me he'd look into the tomcat5 permissions issue soon 20:32:55 <DavidWHodgins> What's happening with firefox? I saw that Mandriva pushed an update today. 20:33:02 <wilcal> Where's kernel Ver at now? 20:33:12 <Luigi12_work> still need confirmation from Oden that php-apc is actually ready to test, the rest of the PHP stuff has been ready for quite some time 20:33:14 <MrsB> Ok, shall we split that bug then David? 20:33:25 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: are they on the LTS one like us? 20:33:32 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: let's give dmorgan some time 20:33:33 <MrsB> php-apc is ready now, I was working with Oden today 20:33:50 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: ahh good, I know he had to revert it to 3.1.13 20:33:51 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure. Didn't keep the rss feed item. 20:34:20 <Luigi12_work> ok, so the PHP update should be ready to test then 20:34:32 <MrsB> He's made some shanges to php-apc so please check the extra advisory he's added 20:34:36 <MrsB> changes* 20:34:58 <Luigi12_work> for the FF update, it's in updates_testing (17.0.2, moving to the new ESR branch). It still needs to be rebuilt one more time, to fix the Opus issue. spturtle/cjw fixed it in iceape, so we just need to port the patches over. 20:35:06 <MrsB> I've checked php on x86_64 all except the new, new php-apc 20:35:18 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: last I saw the extra advisory he added still referenced 3.1.14 20:35:39 <MrsB> no, it shouldnt. It's 3.1.13 again now 20:35:52 <Luigi12_work> right 20:36:16 <MrsB> he's changes the config aspect of it though so it will update cleaner in future 20:36:36 <MrsB> it'll still clobber the login/password on update this time but in future it shouldn't 20:36:45 <Luigi12_work> oh, and Thunderbird 10.0.12 should be in updates_testing ready to test. You need the updated rootcerts, nss (and libnss), and nspr (and libnspr) along with it. No bug has been filed yet for TB. 20:37:34 <wrw105> is iceape going to be backported to 2? Or is it cauldron only for the current release? 20:37:36 <MrsB> we'll stick to the ones we have bugs for i reckon :P 20:37:57 <Luigi12_work> iceape isn't in mga2 updates_testing yet 20:38:05 <Luigi12_work> well TB doesn't have a bug yet because I didn't make it yet :o) 20:38:17 <Luigi12_work> FF has a bug, but like I said will be rebuilt one more time to fix the Opus issue 20:38:38 <MrsB> #info Firefox and thunderbird updates are coming soon 20:39:13 <MrsB> #info FF will be moving to 17 lts series 20:39:41 <wilcal> FF stability finally 20:39:43 <Luigi12_work> it should have the duckduckgo integration too 20:39:52 <MrsB> ahh thats cool 20:39:57 <Kernewes> yeah 20:40:14 <MrsB> #info FF should also have the duckduckgo integration as an optional search engine 20:40:15 * Led43_Mag1 was wandering when that would happen 20:40:35 <MrsB> everybody know about that? 20:40:42 <djennings> no 20:41:01 <Kernewes> it was a few months ago now that it came up 20:41:14 <MrsB> DDG approached us to see if we wanted to integrate it in our browsers as eithe default or optional search engine 20:42:04 <MrsB> Mageia will get a commision on any revenues accrued by doing so 20:42:18 <wilcal> kool 20:42:22 <MrsB> It was decided to offer it as an option rather than default 20:42:25 <djennings> excellent 20:42:38 <Led43_Mag1> help pay for switches and servers 20:43:05 <MrsB> yes, it'll certanly help. We'll have to wait and see how well it works out 20:43:43 <MrsB> So, is there anything for Luigi12_work or anything to add David? 20:43:59 <wrw105> I've been hearing good things about DDG about privacy issues, as opposed to Google.... 20:44:07 <Kernewes> exactly 20:44:08 <Luigi12_work> hopefully not :o) I guess the world is back from vacations now so they're making new security bugs for us to fix! 20:44:29 <MrsB> booo hiss! 20:44:46 <MrsB> thanks for that then Luigi12_work :) 20:44:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic The bug that can now be named. :-) Bug 2317 20:44:52 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317 critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, NEW, --update option should behave like --search-media <list of the update media>, rpmdrake-5.26.10-1.mga1.src.rpm 20:45:03 <MrsB> ahaa, some good news! 20:45:17 <Kernewes> nearly fell of my chair when I read about that 20:45:21 <Kernewes> off 20:45:37 <MrsB> Have you ever had an update which said it couldn't be installed because of missing suchnsuch package? 20:46:04 <Led43_Mag1> once or thrice 20:46:07 <MrsB> if you have then that is most likely due to this infamous bug 20:46:25 <MrsB> we try to check for it but obviously some slip through 20:46:36 <MrsB> we've done a pretty good job though 20:46:59 <MrsB> It absolutely WILL be fixed before Mageia 3 20:47:06 <MrsB> tmb said so 20:47:06 <DavidWHodgins> We still get caught some times, when a dependency is also in updates testing, so our script doesn't realize it's needed. 20:47:29 <MrsB> it should check updates_testing automatically dave 20:48:22 <DavidWHodgins> If it's in updates testing, the script assumes it will be available in updates, when the package that needs the dependency gets pushed. If the dependency is from another update, it may not get pushed at the same time. 20:48:34 <MrsB> Until now this bug has been a major pain, we have had to check every package of every update and sysadmin has had to link half of the release media into updates 20:48:46 <MrsB> ahh yeah, you're right 20:49:06 <MrsB> So all rejoice \o/ 20:49:28 <wilcal> Will this fix be in at the time of M3B2? 20:49:34 <Kernewes> no pressure on tmb there, then 20:49:39 <MrsB> not likely wilcal 20:50:12 <MrsB> well tmb is probably more affected by it than we are, he is the one who has been making all the links we find things need. 20:50:48 <MrsB> any comments on this bit? 20:51:13 <wilcal> not from me 20:51:15 <Led43_Mag1> not here 20:51:29 <rindolf> Yay. \o/ 20:51:36 <DavidWHodgins> Test procedure is in the bug report. 20:51:50 <MrsB> I saw that Dave, good thinking that 20:51:57 <Kernewes> revenge will be sweet 20:52:22 <MrsB> So let's put it behind us and move on :) 20:52:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:52:36 <MrsB> (until we have to test it anyway) 20:52:49 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:52:55 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:52:56 <Kernewes> not here 20:53:01 <wilcal> I wanted to comment on 8228 & 8580 20:53:08 <MrsB> please do 20:53:29 <wilcal> If you have a problem connecting WiFi simply turn off the auto connect at boot up 20:53:49 <MrsB> wilcal: add an #info so it will show in the minutes 20:54:01 <wilcal> You'll have to manually configure your network every time but that works every time 20:54:07 <MrsB> anybody can add #info's btw 20:54:23 <wilcal> Bug 6541: Still lots of NFS issues not only just this bug 20:54:24 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541 normal, Normal, mageia, mageia, NEW, systemd seems to have problems with NFS mounts in /etc/fstab, systemd 20:55:21 <MrsB> #info a workaround for bug 8228 & 8250 is to disable the 'connect at boot' 20:55:23 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8228 normal, Normal, mageia, mageia, NEW, drakx-net doesn't handle signal strength reported in dBm (negative values), drakx-net-1.16 20:55:26 * MrsB did it 20:56:05 <MrsB> #info seems to be lots of NFS bugs eg. 6541 20:56:06 <wilcal> Wore out a couple pair of shoes figuring the WiFi thing out 20:56:31 <wilcal> Yes the NFS thing goes all the way back into Mandrake 20:57:02 <MrsB> If they get reported they will get fixed sooner or later 20:57:09 <djennings> Well I did write a patch for Bug 207 but no one seems to want to apply it. 20:57:10 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, REOPENED, can't mount NFS servers, drakxtools 20:57:55 <MrsB> djennings: shall I give you an #action to find out what's happening with it, maybe check with ennael? 20:58:13 <MrsB> Oh reminds me, I need to report on some previous action points 20:58:21 <djennings> OK 20:59:12 <MrsB> #action djennings to find out what is happening with bug 207 (can't mount NFS servers, drakxtools) and his proposed patch 20:59:44 <MrsB> Before Christmas I gave myself (stupid!) some action items 21:00:04 * tmb thinks we shold apply fix in 207 21:00:45 <MrsB> dare you add an info tmb :P 21:01:02 <MrsB> My action items, there were 3.. MrsB to ask leuhmanu about adding the whiteboard field to the new bug form 21:01:41 <MrsB> Apparently leuhmanu is unable to do this, it will need sysadmin. dmorgan currently looks after bugzilla I think but he is a bit unavaliable at the moment 21:02:11 <MrsB> MrsB to find out what's happening with bug 6061 (disabling nonfree/tainted during upgrade) 21:02:12 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6061 major, Normal, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, ASSIGNED, mgaapplet-upgrade-helper removes nonfree and tainted repo (and so radeon-firmware) when upgrading to next Mageia version, mgaonline 21:02:52 <MrsB> I've asked on the bug but will need to ask ennael/tmb about this one I think 21:03:16 <MrsB> MrsB to ask about bug 2317 at next council meeting 21:03:17 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317 critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, NEW, --update option should behave like --search-media <list of the update media>, rpmdrake-5.26.10-1.mga1.src.rpm 21:03:29 <MrsB> Successs with this one \o/ 21:04:52 <MrsB> tmb should bug 6061 be set release blocker? concensus is it probably should be i think 21:06:11 <tmb> MrsB: yep 21:06:22 <MrsB> I'll do that now then, thanks 21:07:08 <MrsB> Does anyone have anything else they'd like to add? 21:07:16 <rindolf> Not me. 21:07:17 <wilcal> Nope not from me 21:07:19 <Kernewes> nope 21:07:24 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing to add here. 21:07:29 <Led43_Mag1> nope 21:07:53 <MrsB> Thankyou all for coming then and as always thanks to Dave for your help :) 21:07:54 <djennings> Bug 8379 is similar to 6061 Any one who installs from Live media will not have non free repos enabled. 21:07:55 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8379 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, NEW, draklive-install should enable nonfree repo if nonfree packages are installed, draklive-install 21:08:26 <MrsB> ahh yes, they are linked arent they, set blocker I think djennings as they're more or less the same bug 21:08:59 <DavidWHodgins> Similar bug, but different rpm packages that need to be fixed. 21:09:05 <MrsB> Please keep an eye on qa-discuss for news of the ISOs 21:09:19 <Led43_Mag1> will do. will lurk here as well 21:09:19 <Kernewes> will do 21:09:25 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: 21:09:26 <leuhmanu> it's drakxtools in fact 21:09:27 <Kernewes> and you'll let us know the password 21:09:30 <MrsB> #endmeeting