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20:06:48 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:06:48 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:06:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:07:05 <MrsB> so Hi everybody, Happy new year :)
20:07:07 <wrw105> I guess I am... :-)
20:07:17 <MrsB> yes, who's new?
20:07:30 <MrsB> hi wrw105 welcome to the qa team!
20:07:42 <MrsB> I'm Claire, from the UK
20:07:44 <Latte> wrw105: welcome
20:07:59 <MrsB> If you introduce yourself the others will do the same
20:08:06 <Latte> I'm Marc from Germany
20:08:09 <Auel> wrw105: welcome
20:08:09 <wrw105> Thanks! I've been looking for a way to pitch in and saw the QA requests on forums.  I'm Bill from eastern US (Western Pennsylvania)
20:08:24 <wilcal> I'm Wilcal from San Diego ( Surf City USA )
20:08:25 <Auel> I'm Johan from Belgium
20:08:26 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome wrw105.  I'm Dave Hodgins, 52 years old, from London, Ontario, Canada.
20:08:30 <MrsB> thats great, good to see you Bill
20:08:36 <wilcal> BTW Surfs Up
20:08:42 <Kernewes> Hi, I'm Carolyn from Cornwall, UK
20:09:06 <wrw105> Nice to meet everyone
20:09:20 <alfred__> Alfred from Germany
20:09:26 <MrsB> yeah, i think it helps to know who you're talking to
20:09:43 * tmb is from Finland
20:09:56 <MrsB> so welcome aboard. Have you had a chance to look at our wiki pages wrw105?
20:10:25 <wrw105> I've scanned them over and have been on the mailing lists for a couple of weeks.
20:10:54 <DavidWHodgins> Good idea to join the qa-bugs list too, if you haven't already.
20:11:09 <MrsB> that's a good start, you'll have begun to see what it is we do
20:11:23 <wrw105> I'd be most use for updating packages for the current stable release--limited bandwidth makes ISO testing difficult.
20:11:34 <MrsB> it's probably quite confusing at first but please don't be put off
20:11:38 <wrw105> I'm on the QA Bugs list too.
20:11:43 <MrsB> \o/
20:11:56 <wilcal> I should join the bugs list too
20:12:06 <MrsB> The page you'll want most is the one for validtaing updates
20:12:26 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates
20:12:36 <MrsB> if you forget it then it's always in the topic here
20:12:52 <wrw105> I've got the team portal bookmarked.
20:13:11 <Kernewes> I had to print that page out so I could have it next to me
20:13:28 <Auel> i have the validation process printed out next to me too :)
20:13:30 <MrsB> as always, we don't believe in silly quesions, there is no such thing :) If you have any queries or comments or questions please don't hesitate to ask
20:13:38 <DavidWHodgins> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates shows the updates waiting for validation.
20:13:40 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
20:14:15 <MrsB> The best way to get started is by actually doing one and ask somebody to check as you go, or to be here with you so that you can ask questions as they arise
20:14:42 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins: is probably more your timezone than I am
20:14:56 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.  Same timezone.
20:15:04 <MrsB> you can always ask anything on qa-discuss list though if there is nobody here
20:15:42 <MrsB> have you ever been to a meeting on IRC wrw105?
20:16:02 <wrw105> Speaking of which--is there an sasl-aware irc client? or am I stuck in a browser window?
20:16:07 <Kernewes> wrw105: even if you have, you'll like our meetings best :)
20:16:28 <wrw105> I used to spend a lot of time on IRC back in the 90s, but mostly socially
20:16:32 <DavidWHodgins> wrw105: I like konversation, as an irc client.
20:16:37 <Kernewes> so do I
20:16:42 <MrsB> sasl, no idea :\ I use konversation mostly and a bouncer
20:17:13 <wrw105> OK...I tried chatzilla and pidgin and no luck there. I'll give Konversation a whirl next time.
20:17:23 <wilcal> Bouncer is who you meet in a bar if you get unrulely
20:17:40 <tmb> wrw105: http://freenode.net/sasl/
20:17:42 <[mbot> [ Connecting with SASL ]
20:17:43 <MrsB> xchat is popular too
20:17:44 <Auel> broad muscular guys with bald heads ^^
20:18:34 * Led43_Mag1 sorry for being late, been one of those days, will scroll back to see what I have missed
20:18:52 <Kernewes> Led43_Mag1: you'll learn what a bouncer is
20:19:03 <Led43_Mag1> irc or mail?
20:19:09 <DavidWHodgins> Led43_Mag1: Still doing "Who's new". wrw105 - Bill is new.
20:19:14 <MrsB> welcome to QA anyway, it's a steep learning curve at first but you'll soon pick it up. Don't be intimidated by anything, nobody knows everything and you're never alone.
20:19:24 <wrw105> Thanks tmb
20:19:40 <Kernewes> and I guarantee you can't ask anything sillier than I ask :)
20:19:53 <Auel> i've tried though :p
20:19:57 <MrsB> lol I think we all do our bit for silly questions
20:20:18 <DavidWHodgins> If you see a lot of junk coming from me, my cat likes to play with my keyboard.
20:20:22 <MrsB> then there are the OOps moments just after you hit submit on bugzilla!
20:20:30 <Led43_Mag1> hi bill, I'm John from the Midlands uk, i have a number of nicks, but any led43 is me
20:20:32 <DavidWHodgins> Or just after.
20:20:33 <Kernewes> MrsB: you get those as well?
20:20:39 <MrsB> constantly
20:20:53 <MrsB> ok lets move on
20:20:56 <MrsB> hit it dave
20:20:59 <DavidWHodgins> Forget to add sysadmin to mailing list, etc.
20:21:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Updated release schedule https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development#Development_Planning
20:21:20 <MrsB> i don't know how you do that so fast
20:21:30 <Kernewes> I told you, he false starts
20:21:34 <DavidWHodgins> Copy/Paste, prepared in advance. :-)
20:21:42 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: cheat
20:21:56 <Auel> DavidWHodgins: peak performance :)
20:22:07 <MrsB> #info It was agreed that with the delay with beta1 we will push back some upcoming dates
20:22:38 * MrsB trying to find the email, one sec
20:23:16 <MrsB> got it, excuse the multiline paste.
20:23:25 <MrsB> basically everything has been pushed back a week
20:23:32 <MrsB> Versions freeze            2013 Jan. 9nd
20:23:33 <MrsB> Development String freeze    2013 Jan. 9nd
20:23:35 <MrsB> Artwork freeze            TBD
20:23:36 <MrsB> i18n freeze            2013 Jan. 9th
20:23:38 <MrsB> Beta 2                2013 Jan. 18th
20:23:59 <MrsB> #info everything has been pushed back by a week
20:24:14 <wilcal> 2nd week April for Final?
20:24:18 <DavidWHodgins> Once the version freeze hits, that's the time to seriously start upgrade testing, to ensure no package/file conflicts, etc.
20:24:41 <MrsB> we still don't have long to try and clear our list before beta2 testing begins
20:25:06 <MrsB> everybody understand what's being said?
20:25:21 <Led43_Mag1> and remember its up to qa to test and report not spend time working with the packagers to fix
20:26:00 <MrsB> erm, well actually if you report a bug you should work with the packager to fix it
20:26:02 <DavidWHodgins> Priority is to test/report.  I like to help fixing when I can, too.
20:26:19 <Kernewes> if you report a bug they may have to ask you questions about it
20:26:21 <MrsB> packagers are equally as capable of installing something as we are though
20:26:40 <DavidWHodgins> May not have the same hardware, or setup though.
20:26:55 * Led43_Mag1 used to spend more time helping to fix than installing and testing
20:27:27 <MrsB> are there any questions or comments on this topic or shall we move on?
20:27:33 <leuhmanu> also it would be fine people can check the status of their own reported bugs
20:27:37 <wilcal> Question? Upgrade from where? Install M2 from Live-CD no updates and upgrade from there, or
20:27:39 <wilcal> Install M2 from Live-CD then update everything then upgrade from there?
20:27:59 <Led43_Mag1> xxfbn
20:28:05 <MrsB> all kinds of installs of mga2 to mga3 yes wilcal
20:28:05 <Led43_Mag1> sorry cat
20:28:23 <DavidWHodgins> Upgrade testing has to include uprading on real hardware, as well as within vb, etc.
20:28:23 <MrsB> livecd shouldn't be used to perform the update though.
20:28:33 <MrsB> it's best to do this in a VM initially
20:28:49 <wilcal> Install from Install DVD
20:28:49 <MrsB> you can save a snapshot and then roll back and try with a different set of packages
20:29:09 <DavidWHodgins> Upgrades should only be done with the install dvds, not live or dual iso images.
20:29:17 <wilcal> K
20:29:28 <DavidWHodgins> Or with a network install. boot.iso, or boot-nonfree.iso
20:29:30 <wilcal> How about boot.iso
20:29:34 <MrsB> yeah as dave says we need also to test on real hardware to ensure all the right drivers and firmware are updated and the system boots afterwards
20:29:47 <wilcal> I prefer boot.iso with my local repo
20:30:14 <MrsB> however you install mga2 is ok, the important thing is that we test the ISOs and not just the cauldron repo
20:30:22 <DavidWHodgins> I test using my preferred method first, other methods later.
20:30:38 <wilcal> FWIW I usually am using real hardware and use Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) or Killdisk when not testing upgrade
20:30:50 <wilcal> to start with
20:30:59 <MrsB> so upgrade using the installer dvd's for now. Later on beta3/rc we will test with network upgrades when the repo is more or less settled
20:31:46 <MrsB> shall we move on, we can get more in to beta testing and upgrades next week
20:31:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Tackling the kernel updates
20:31:55 <MrsB> thanks dave
20:32:06 <MrsB> Thanks for being here tmb
20:32:30 <MrsB> we currently have a confusing number of bugs to do with kernels and drivers etc
20:32:45 <MrsB> I'd like us to be able to tackle them in a logical way
20:32:48 <DavidWHodgins> My main concern is dkms, when both binary and source modules are installed.  Causes problems right now.
20:33:02 <MrsB> we need to work out which should be tested first, how to test it
20:33:24 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: interestingly I cant reproduce it :/
20:33:48 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch!  That makes it much more difficult to fix.
20:34:02 <MrsB> tmb could you try and give a brief overview of where to begin please
20:36:09 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: yep, i've tested with nvidia-current and fglrx on both i586 and x86_64 and with both binary-only, source-only and a mix of both, and it still upgrades nicely every time...
20:36:48 <DavidWHodgins> Maybe the problem was caused by an update where not all kernel modules were on the mirror yet.
20:37:14 <DavidWHodgins> So, shouldn't happen in a normal update.
20:38:51 <tmb> that could explain it... and hopefully we wont hit it again, but as we cant be sure how mirrors sync, so someone may still hit it :/
20:39:29 <tmb> MrsB: what do you need for "where to begin" ?
20:39:33 <DavidWHodgins> That may be why only a few people had problems with the last kernel update, but most were ok.
20:39:56 <wilcal> I've not seen any kernel update problems here
20:39:57 <Led43_Mag1> can someone post a bug number for this one
20:40:10 <MrsB> which to test first and a quick how if possible tmb pls
20:40:20 <DavidWHodgins> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8068#c19
20:40:20 <[mbot> Bug 8068: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW, Update request: kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2
20:40:27 <Led43_Mag1> DavidWHodgins: ta
20:40:40 <alfred__> some ppl had the same probs while updating from 336 to 336 but i thin they were too unpatiend
20:40:48 <alfred__> 338*
20:40:50 <DavidWHodgins> That's the comment about the dkms problem I ran into.
20:41:18 <alfred__> the build and remove of the kernel-modules took some time
20:42:03 <DavidWHodgins> The impression I got, was that most of the problems were on systems with multiple kernels installed.  server and desktop, usually.
20:42:45 <tmb> the deps to push in order is: kmod, kernel-firmware-nonfree, kernel, virtualbox, kernel-linus, kernel-tmb, kernel-rt, kernel-vserver
20:43:15 <MrsB> #info the deps to push in order is: kmod, kernel-firmware-nonfree, kernel, virtualbox, kernel-linus, kernel-tmb, kernel-rt, kernel-vserver
20:43:18 <tmb> and the ones needing to go at the same time is: " kmod, kernel-firmware-nonfree, kernel, virtualbox"
20:43:37 <MrsB> #info and the ones needing to go at the same time is: " kmod, kernel-firmware-nonfree, kernel, virtualbox"
20:44:01 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway the primary mirror can be locked, so downstream mirrors cannot sync in the middle of the push?
20:44:39 <MrsB> does everybody know how we test new kernels?
20:44:44 <Kernewes> no
20:44:47 <Latte> no
20:44:48 <Led43_Mag1> no
20:44:53 <wilcal> briefly explain
20:45:01 <MrsB> that's what I was aiming at :)
20:45:09 <DavidWHodgins> Boot each kernel, on real hardware, and ensure everything (sound, video, etc.) work properly.
20:45:24 <Kernewes> you mean without a GUI?
20:45:33 <DavidWHodgins> With gui.
20:45:37 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: that's how I do multi-package pushes... everything gets moved to /updates, then regen hdlists, then put it on primary mirror
20:46:21 <MrsB> kmod is just a matter of ensuring all the 'kmod' kernel modules you have installed are loaded after updating the kmod package
20:46:23 <Kernewes> so you boot into the desktop as normal?  Can you select a kernel to boot into?
20:46:46 <DavidWHodgins> With multiple kernels installed, each will have it's own grub entry.
20:46:56 <wilcal> GRUB1
20:47:13 <wilcal> GRUB2 is more funky
20:47:26 <DavidWHodgins> All of the kernels should work on all hardware, even though they are optimized, for example with the notebook kernel.
20:47:50 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: each grub entry has a version number for the kernel involved, the "latest" or defualt becomes the newly installed kernel
20:48:09 <Kernewes> so how do you install them, through the software manager as with other stuff or...?
20:48:10 <MrsB> there are a number of different kernels to test which all come under bug 8068
20:48:11 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8068 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW, Update request: kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2
20:48:13 <DavidWHodgins> grub2 is still a work in progress on magea 3.  It will need a lot of testing for beta 2, but not fro the mageia 2 kernel update.
20:48:57 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: you can use mcc, or "urpmi kernel-notebook-latest", for example.
20:49:00 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: yes use software manager app
20:49:05 <Kernewes> thanks
20:49:47 <DavidWHodgins> During install, (before reboot), make sure the dkms modules get installed.
20:50:02 <Kernewes> is there a prompt for that?
20:50:07 * Led43_Mag1 reminds me i have 2/3 old kernels  on this box that needs to be removed for space
20:50:29 <DavidWHodgins> No. Open a terminal, and use "dkms status", to check.
20:50:58 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: you mean after install and before reboot?
20:51:05 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.
20:51:06 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: press the esc key while the cauldron picture and bubbles appear
20:51:08 <Kernewes> I see
20:51:22 <Kernewes> Led43_Mag1: thanks
20:51:35 <DavidWHodgins> Led43_Mag1: I'm talking about before rebooting, after installing the kernel updates.
20:51:40 <Led43_Mag1> you will see something like compiling dkms module ...............
20:51:57 <DavidWHodgins> Should clarify.  Install the core updates version first, then install the updates.
20:51:57 <Kernewes> Led43_Mag1: oh did you mean on reboot?
20:52:05 <MrsB> most kernel modules come as either dkms or kmod. dkms modules are built after you reboot into the new kernel, you can watch it happening. kmod modules are prebuilt.
20:52:09 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: yes
20:52:53 * Kernewes is confused
20:53:08 <Kernewes> MrsB: so you should reboot???
20:53:29 <MrsB> when you install a new kernel you have to reboot to change to it
20:53:30 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Led43_Mag1 is talking about pressing the esc key, to see the boot messages, when you do reboot.
20:53:48 <Led43_Mag1> DavidWHodgins: yep
20:53:57 <DavidWHodgins> I just remove the "splash quiet" option.
20:54:39 <Kernewes> MrsB: so what happens after reboot that you were talking about, that's not the same as installing the modules?
20:54:58 <MrsB> on each bug is a list of updated rpms
20:55:21 <DavidWHodgins> So the procedure is, install all 5 kernels, from core updates.  reboot into each, to ensure they are working.  Then install the updates, and repeat booting into each kernel, and ensure it's working.
20:55:34 <MrsB> so when you're testing the regula kernel for instance, have a look at bug 8068 and update all the ones from there that you have installed
20:55:36 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8068 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW, Update request: kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2
20:55:38 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: you dl & install the new kernel, reboot, hit esc and check for the compiling modules line in the boot msg's
20:56:05 * Kernewes assumes it'll make sense when I try it
20:56:23 <MrsB> ask if you need to
20:56:27 <DavidWHodgins> I expect it will.  If not, feel free to ask questions.
20:56:38 <Kernewes> you'll regret saying that :)
20:56:48 <DavidWHodgins> Lol
20:57:13 <DavidWHodgins> I'll repeat the testing I did before,  to see if I can recreate the dkms problem.
20:58:25 <MrsB> I know there has been alot of talking across each other but does anybody have an idea how to begin?
20:58:35 <MrsB> everybody*
20:58:46 <wilcal> Yep
20:59:02 <wrw105> Got it
20:59:06 * Led43_Mag1 thinks so, if i get stuck will shout or ping
20:59:08 <Kernewes> I think so
20:59:09 <DavidWHodgins> I'll be doing a clean install of Mageia 2 i586 and x86-64, with all kernels installed, then enable updates testing, and test the updates.
20:59:12 <MrsB> tmb gave the order in which to tackle all the kernel bugs ^^ up there
20:59:36 <tmb> note that you need to select (or keep selected) the matching dkms/kmod drivers that mgaupdate sees / suggests when you test a kernel update
20:59:44 <MrsB> it'll be in the minutes which I'll link on the ML later
21:00:00 <MrsB> #info note that you need to select (or keep selected) the matching dkms/kmod drivers that mgaupdate sees / suggests when you test a kernel update
21:00:11 <MrsB> thanks tmb
21:00:23 <MrsB> as ever, if you get stuck, just ask
21:00:51 <MrsB> shall we move on?
21:00:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
21:00:58 <Luigi12_work> boo
21:01:00 <MrsB> lightning!
21:01:07 <MrsB> Hi Luigi12_work
21:01:16 <Luigi12_work> hello
21:01:48 <MrsB> For anybody who doesn't already know, Luigi12_work is David Walser on bugzilla (and in real life too ;) he prepares most of the security updates for us
21:02:05 <wilcal> kool
21:02:07 <MrsB> you'll see alot of him!
21:02:17 <MrsB> over to you then Luigi12_work
21:02:22 <Luigi12_work> so IMHO QA should focus on the pending bugfix updates at the moment, as they impact more people than the current pending security updates.  Also, the kernel update probably fixes some security bugs, and it's blocking the virtualbox update which fixes a security bug.  I'd also like to see the cups and php updates get pushed :o)
21:02:42 <Luigi12_work> so all that discussion you just had about the kernel update is good
21:02:44 <MrsB> :O
21:03:05 <MrsB> so security man says forget security updates for now ..
21:03:14 <Luigi12_work> crazy no?  :o)
21:03:22 <MrsB> most!
21:03:45 <Luigi12_work> but kernel/cups/php > squashfs-tools/webmin/claws-mail-plugins/jetty
21:03:46 <tmb> MrsB: nope, since the kernels have CVE fixes in them, you are still doing security fixes :)
21:04:01 <DavidWHodgins> I see from developers mailing list, that there will be a bunch more sec updates too.
21:04:07 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 would like us to clear a few outstanding bugfixes
21:04:18 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: that's assuming people help with those
21:04:30 * tmb even managed to add advisories to all kernel updates....
21:04:38 <Luigi12_work> I've sent out those mails once every month or two, don't get much help, although tmb did take care of squashfs-tools right after I sent it out
21:04:54 <MrsB> #info cups (again), php, virtualbox, kernel fix some security bits n bobs too
21:05:11 <tmb> Luigi12_work: yep, thanks for reminding me...
21:05:28 <MrsB> is there an easy way to test that tmb?
21:05:40 <DavidWHodgins> I'll concentrate on kernel/vb after today's meeting.
21:06:17 <Auel> i'll finally start working on the PHP one, was preparing for FOSDEM the past few days
21:06:29 <tmb> MrsB: I haven't checked for POC yet :/
21:06:57 <MrsB> that's ok, more an easy way to check it's working. I haven't looked, is it straight forward to use?
21:09:42 <MrsB> I'm guessing not :D
21:09:59 <DavidWHodgins> Running dodep on the php update right now.
21:10:22 <MrsB> Ok thanks Luigi12_work for an unusual roundup :)
21:10:33 <MrsB> lets finish up shall we
21:10:45 <tmb> yep, basically 2 commands, mksquashfs for creating image, unsquashfs to unpacking it
21:10:56 <MrsB> ahh thanks, just in time :)
21:10:57 <DavidWHodgins> Anything Else?
21:11:00 <wilcal> I've stumbled across some M3B1 clunkers I wanted to briefly mention here
21:11:02 <MrsB> yep please dave
21:11:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything Else?
21:11:20 <MrsB> Is there anythign else?
21:11:23 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8535  Libreoffice won't build during install using boot.iso and an up-to-date repo
21:11:24 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Go ahead
21:11:24 <[mbot> Bug 8535: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, Missing package(s) and dependencies prevents installation of Libreoffice, libreoffice
21:11:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8580  WiFi won't disconect, which may be the root for lots of other WiFi noop reports
21:11:35 <[mbot> Bug 8580: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, WiFi won't disconnect
21:11:43 <wilcal> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4146 Laptop not mounting MicroSD Chip, which I am still trying to figure out
21:11:44 <[mbot> [ Mageia forum View topic - Laptop not mounting SD chip ]
21:11:51 <wilcal> That's it for now
21:12:43 <wilcal> The Libreoffice thing is particularly ugly
21:12:46 <Luigi12_work> libreoffice is still being worked on dmorgan and tv
21:12:51 <Luigi12_work> updating to 4.0.0 beta
21:12:56 <tmb> libreoffice is being rebuilt... as soon as that completes it will work
21:12:56 <Luigi12_work> so don't worry too much about that for now
21:13:02 <wilcal> Thanks
21:13:02 <MrsB> cauldron is always changing
21:13:16 <wilcal> I did a LOT of walking around with the WiFi thing
21:13:38 <wilcal> interesting bug condition may be the root of a lot of WiFi complaints
21:13:38 <leuhmanu> it's not for nothing that there is something in the whiteboard
21:15:00 <MrsB> If you find they are valid for beta2 isos please add 3beta2 to the whiteboard for those wilcal
21:15:10 <wilcal> will do
21:15:43 <MrsB> just to be clear though beta2 isos don't really include the boot.iso network ones, it's the ones with fixed packages we really test
21:16:05 <MrsB> the installer dvd's livecds livedvds and dualcd
21:16:26 <DavidWHodgins> Once the version freeze happens, and cauldron stabalizes, then we'll do more boot.iso testing.
21:16:31 <MrsB> yeah
21:16:54 <MrsB> ok, so anything else we should discuss here or shall we claose?
21:16:57 <MrsB> close*
21:17:01 <wilcal> I done
21:17:06 <Kernewes> me too
21:17:07 <MrsB> thanks :)
21:17:12 <Led43_Mag1> ok here
21:17:17 <DavidWHodgins> Let's close, and get on with testing. :-)
21:17:23 <wilcal> bye
21:17:26 <Auel> yep, let's test :)
21:17:35 <alfred__> bye all
21:17:44 <MrsB> Thankyou all for coming, welcome again wrw105 I'm sure you'll enjoy it when you get stuck in!
21:17:46 * Led43_Mag1 can't help much untill early next week, has some legal stuff to deal with
21:17:52 <MrsB> same time next week
21:17:56 <MrsB> #endmeeting