20:06:39 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:06:39 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jan 3 20:06:39 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:06:39 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:06:48 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:06:48 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:06:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 20:07:05 <MrsB> so Hi everybody, Happy new year :) 20:07:07 <wrw105> I guess I am... :-) 20:07:17 <MrsB> yes, who's new? 20:07:30 <MrsB> hi wrw105 welcome to the qa team! 20:07:42 <MrsB> I'm Claire, from the UK 20:07:44 <Latte> wrw105: welcome 20:07:59 <MrsB> If you introduce yourself the others will do the same 20:08:06 <Latte> I'm Marc from Germany 20:08:09 <Auel> wrw105: welcome 20:08:09 <wrw105> Thanks! I've been looking for a way to pitch in and saw the QA requests on forums. I'm Bill from eastern US (Western Pennsylvania) 20:08:24 <wilcal> I'm Wilcal from San Diego ( Surf City USA ) 20:08:25 <Auel> I'm Johan from Belgium 20:08:26 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome wrw105. I'm Dave Hodgins, 52 years old, from London, Ontario, Canada. 20:08:30 <MrsB> thats great, good to see you Bill 20:08:36 <wilcal> BTW Surfs Up 20:08:42 <Kernewes> Hi, I'm Carolyn from Cornwall, UK 20:09:06 <wrw105> Nice to meet everyone 20:09:20 <alfred__> Alfred from Germany 20:09:26 <MrsB> yeah, i think it helps to know who you're talking to 20:09:43 * tmb is from Finland 20:09:56 <MrsB> so welcome aboard. Have you had a chance to look at our wiki pages wrw105? 20:10:25 <wrw105> I've scanned them over and have been on the mailing lists for a couple of weeks. 20:10:54 <DavidWHodgins> Good idea to join the qa-bugs list too, if you haven't already. 20:11:09 <MrsB> that's a good start, you'll have begun to see what it is we do 20:11:23 <wrw105> I'd be most use for updating packages for the current stable release--limited bandwidth makes ISO testing difficult. 20:11:34 <MrsB> it's probably quite confusing at first but please don't be put off 20:11:38 <wrw105> I'm on the QA Bugs list too. 20:11:43 <MrsB> \o/ 20:11:56 <wilcal> I should join the bugs list too 20:12:06 <MrsB> The page you'll want most is the one for validtaing updates 20:12:26 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates 20:12:36 <MrsB> if you forget it then it's always in the topic here 20:12:52 <wrw105> I've got the team portal bookmarked. 20:13:11 <Kernewes> I had to print that page out so I could have it next to me 20:13:28 <Auel> i have the validation process printed out next to me too :) 20:13:30 <MrsB> as always, we don't believe in silly quesions, there is no such thing :) If you have any queries or comments or questions please don't hesitate to ask 20:13:38 <DavidWHodgins> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates shows the updates waiting for validation. 20:13:40 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 20:14:15 <MrsB> The best way to get started is by actually doing one and ask somebody to check as you go, or to be here with you so that you can ask questions as they arise 20:14:42 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins: is probably more your timezone than I am 20:14:56 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Same timezone. 20:15:04 <MrsB> you can always ask anything on qa-discuss list though if there is nobody here 20:15:42 <MrsB> have you ever been to a meeting on IRC wrw105? 20:16:02 <wrw105> Speaking of which--is there an sasl-aware irc client? or am I stuck in a browser window? 20:16:07 <Kernewes> wrw105: even if you have, you'll like our meetings best :) 20:16:28 <wrw105> I used to spend a lot of time on IRC back in the 90s, but mostly socially 20:16:32 <DavidWHodgins> wrw105: I like konversation, as an irc client. 20:16:37 <Kernewes> so do I 20:16:42 <MrsB> sasl, no idea :\ I use konversation mostly and a bouncer 20:17:13 <wrw105> OK...I tried chatzilla and pidgin and no luck there. I'll give Konversation a whirl next time. 20:17:23 <wilcal> Bouncer is who you meet in a bar if you get unrulely 20:17:40 <tmb> wrw105: http://freenode.net/sasl/ 20:17:42 <[mbot> [ Connecting with SASL ] 20:17:43 <MrsB> xchat is popular too 20:17:44 <Auel> broad muscular guys with bald heads ^^ 20:18:34 * Led43_Mag1 sorry for being late, been one of those days, will scroll back to see what I have missed 20:18:52 <Kernewes> Led43_Mag1: you'll learn what a bouncer is 20:19:03 <Led43_Mag1> irc or mail? 20:19:09 <DavidWHodgins> Led43_Mag1: Still doing "Who's new". wrw105 - Bill is new. 20:19:14 <MrsB> welcome to QA anyway, it's a steep learning curve at first but you'll soon pick it up. Don't be intimidated by anything, nobody knows everything and you're never alone. 20:19:24 <wrw105> Thanks tmb 20:19:40 <Kernewes> and I guarantee you can't ask anything sillier than I ask :) 20:19:53 <Auel> i've tried though :p 20:19:57 <MrsB> lol I think we all do our bit for silly questions 20:20:18 <DavidWHodgins> If you see a lot of junk coming from me, my cat likes to play with my keyboard. 20:20:22 <MrsB> then there are the OOps moments just after you hit submit on bugzilla! 20:20:30 <Led43_Mag1> hi bill, I'm John from the Midlands uk, i have a number of nicks, but any led43 is me 20:20:32 <DavidWHodgins> Or just after. 20:20:33 <Kernewes> MrsB: you get those as well? 20:20:39 <MrsB> constantly 20:20:53 <MrsB> ok lets move on 20:20:56 <MrsB> hit it dave 20:20:59 <DavidWHodgins> Forget to add sysadmin to mailing list, etc. 20:21:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Updated release schedule https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development#Development_Planning 20:21:20 <MrsB> i don't know how you do that so fast 20:21:30 <Kernewes> I told you, he false starts 20:21:34 <DavidWHodgins> Copy/Paste, prepared in advance. :-) 20:21:42 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: cheat 20:21:56 <Auel> DavidWHodgins: peak performance :) 20:22:07 <MrsB> #info It was agreed that with the delay with beta1 we will push back some upcoming dates 20:22:38 * MrsB trying to find the email, one sec 20:23:16 <MrsB> got it, excuse the multiline paste. 20:23:25 <MrsB> basically everything has been pushed back a week 20:23:32 <MrsB> Versions freeze 2013 Jan. 9nd 20:23:33 <MrsB> Development String freeze 2013 Jan. 9nd 20:23:35 <MrsB> Artwork freeze TBD 20:23:36 <MrsB> i18n freeze 2013 Jan. 9th 20:23:38 <MrsB> Beta 2 2013 Jan. 18th 20:23:59 <MrsB> #info everything has been pushed back by a week 20:24:14 <wilcal> 2nd week April for Final? 20:24:18 <DavidWHodgins> Once the version freeze hits, that's the time to seriously start upgrade testing, to ensure no package/file conflicts, etc. 20:24:41 <MrsB> we still don't have long to try and clear our list before beta2 testing begins 20:25:06 <MrsB> everybody understand what's being said? 20:25:21 <Led43_Mag1> and remember its up to qa to test and report not spend time working with the packagers to fix 20:26:00 <MrsB> erm, well actually if you report a bug you should work with the packager to fix it 20:26:02 <DavidWHodgins> Priority is to test/report. I like to help fixing when I can, too. 20:26:19 <Kernewes> if you report a bug they may have to ask you questions about it 20:26:21 <MrsB> packagers are equally as capable of installing something as we are though 20:26:40 <DavidWHodgins> May not have the same hardware, or setup though. 20:26:55 * Led43_Mag1 used to spend more time helping to fix than installing and testing 20:27:27 <MrsB> are there any questions or comments on this topic or shall we move on? 20:27:33 <leuhmanu> also it would be fine people can check the status of their own reported bugs 20:27:37 <wilcal> Question? Upgrade from where? Install M2 from Live-CD no updates and upgrade from there, or 20:27:39 <wilcal> Install M2 from Live-CD then update everything then upgrade from there? 20:27:59 <Led43_Mag1> xxfbn 20:28:05 <MrsB> all kinds of installs of mga2 to mga3 yes wilcal 20:28:05 <Led43_Mag1> sorry cat 20:28:23 <DavidWHodgins> Upgrade testing has to include uprading on real hardware, as well as within vb, etc. 20:28:23 <MrsB> livecd shouldn't be used to perform the update though. 20:28:33 <MrsB> it's best to do this in a VM initially 20:28:49 <wilcal> Install from Install DVD 20:28:49 <MrsB> you can save a snapshot and then roll back and try with a different set of packages 20:29:09 <DavidWHodgins> Upgrades should only be done with the install dvds, not live or dual iso images. 20:29:17 <wilcal> K 20:29:28 <DavidWHodgins> Or with a network install. boot.iso, or boot-nonfree.iso 20:29:30 <wilcal> How about boot.iso 20:29:34 <MrsB> yeah as dave says we need also to test on real hardware to ensure all the right drivers and firmware are updated and the system boots afterwards 20:29:47 <wilcal> I prefer boot.iso with my local repo 20:30:14 <MrsB> however you install mga2 is ok, the important thing is that we test the ISOs and not just the cauldron repo 20:30:22 <DavidWHodgins> I test using my preferred method first, other methods later. 20:30:38 <wilcal> FWIW I usually am using real hardware and use Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) or Killdisk when not testing upgrade 20:30:50 <wilcal> to start with 20:30:59 <MrsB> so upgrade using the installer dvd's for now. Later on beta3/rc we will test with network upgrades when the repo is more or less settled 20:31:46 <MrsB> shall we move on, we can get more in to beta testing and upgrades next week 20:31:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Tackling the kernel updates 20:31:55 <MrsB> thanks dave 20:32:06 <MrsB> Thanks for being here tmb 20:32:30 <MrsB> we currently have a confusing number of bugs to do with kernels and drivers etc 20:32:45 <MrsB> I'd like us to be able to tackle them in a logical way 20:32:48 <DavidWHodgins> My main concern is dkms, when both binary and source modules are installed. Causes problems right now. 20:33:02 <MrsB> we need to work out which should be tested first, how to test it 20:33:24 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: interestingly I cant reproduce it :/ 20:33:48 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch! That makes it much more difficult to fix. 20:34:02 <MrsB> tmb could you try and give a brief overview of where to begin please 20:36:09 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: yep, i've tested with nvidia-current and fglrx on both i586 and x86_64 and with both binary-only, source-only and a mix of both, and it still upgrades nicely every time... 20:36:48 <DavidWHodgins> Maybe the problem was caused by an update where not all kernel modules were on the mirror yet. 20:37:14 <DavidWHodgins> So, shouldn't happen in a normal update. 20:38:51 <tmb> that could explain it... and hopefully we wont hit it again, but as we cant be sure how mirrors sync, so someone may still hit it :/ 20:39:29 <tmb> MrsB: what do you need for "where to begin" ? 20:39:33 <DavidWHodgins> That may be why only a few people had problems with the last kernel update, but most were ok. 20:39:56 <wilcal> I've not seen any kernel update problems here 20:39:57 <Led43_Mag1> can someone post a bug number for this one 20:40:10 <MrsB> which to test first and a quick how if possible tmb pls 20:40:20 <DavidWHodgins> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8068#c19 20:40:20 <[mbot> Bug 8068: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW, Update request: kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2 20:40:27 <Led43_Mag1> DavidWHodgins: ta 20:40:40 <alfred__> some ppl had the same probs while updating from 336 to 336 but i thin they were too unpatiend 20:40:48 <alfred__> 338* 20:40:50 <DavidWHodgins> That's the comment about the dkms problem I ran into. 20:41:18 <alfred__> the build and remove of the kernel-modules took some time 20:42:03 <DavidWHodgins> The impression I got, was that most of the problems were on systems with multiple kernels installed. server and desktop, usually. 20:42:45 <tmb> the deps to push in order is: kmod, kernel-firmware-nonfree, kernel, virtualbox, kernel-linus, kernel-tmb, kernel-rt, kernel-vserver 20:43:15 <MrsB> #info the deps to push in order is: kmod, kernel-firmware-nonfree, kernel, virtualbox, kernel-linus, kernel-tmb, kernel-rt, kernel-vserver 20:43:18 <tmb> and the ones needing to go at the same time is: " kmod, kernel-firmware-nonfree, kernel, virtualbox" 20:43:37 <MrsB> #info and the ones needing to go at the same time is: " kmod, kernel-firmware-nonfree, kernel, virtualbox" 20:44:01 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway the primary mirror can be locked, so downstream mirrors cannot sync in the middle of the push? 20:44:39 <MrsB> does everybody know how we test new kernels? 20:44:44 <Kernewes> no 20:44:47 <Latte> no 20:44:48 <Led43_Mag1> no 20:44:53 <wilcal> briefly explain 20:45:01 <MrsB> that's what I was aiming at :) 20:45:09 <DavidWHodgins> Boot each kernel, on real hardware, and ensure everything (sound, video, etc.) work properly. 20:45:24 <Kernewes> you mean without a GUI? 20:45:33 <DavidWHodgins> With gui. 20:45:37 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: that's how I do multi-package pushes... everything gets moved to /updates, then regen hdlists, then put it on primary mirror 20:46:21 <MrsB> kmod is just a matter of ensuring all the 'kmod' kernel modules you have installed are loaded after updating the kmod package 20:46:23 <Kernewes> so you boot into the desktop as normal? Can you select a kernel to boot into? 20:46:46 <DavidWHodgins> With multiple kernels installed, each will have it's own grub entry. 20:46:56 <wilcal> GRUB1 20:47:13 <wilcal> GRUB2 is more funky 20:47:26 <DavidWHodgins> All of the kernels should work on all hardware, even though they are optimized, for example with the notebook kernel. 20:47:50 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: each grub entry has a version number for the kernel involved, the "latest" or defualt becomes the newly installed kernel 20:48:09 <Kernewes> so how do you install them, through the software manager as with other stuff or...? 20:48:10 <MrsB> there are a number of different kernels to test which all come under bug 8068 20:48:11 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8068 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW, Update request: kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2 20:48:13 <DavidWHodgins> grub2 is still a work in progress on magea 3. It will need a lot of testing for beta 2, but not fro the mageia 2 kernel update. 20:48:57 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: you can use mcc, or "urpmi kernel-notebook-latest", for example. 20:49:00 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: yes use software manager app 20:49:05 <Kernewes> thanks 20:49:47 <DavidWHodgins> During install, (before reboot), make sure the dkms modules get installed. 20:50:02 <Kernewes> is there a prompt for that? 20:50:07 * Led43_Mag1 reminds me i have 2/3 old kernels on this box that needs to be removed for space 20:50:29 <DavidWHodgins> No. Open a terminal, and use "dkms status", to check. 20:50:58 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: you mean after install and before reboot? 20:51:05 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. 20:51:06 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: press the esc key while the cauldron picture and bubbles appear 20:51:08 <Kernewes> I see 20:51:22 <Kernewes> Led43_Mag1: thanks 20:51:35 <DavidWHodgins> Led43_Mag1: I'm talking about before rebooting, after installing the kernel updates. 20:51:40 <Led43_Mag1> you will see something like compiling dkms module ............... 20:51:57 <DavidWHodgins> Should clarify. Install the core updates version first, then install the updates. 20:51:57 <Kernewes> Led43_Mag1: oh did you mean on reboot? 20:52:05 <MrsB> most kernel modules come as either dkms or kmod. dkms modules are built after you reboot into the new kernel, you can watch it happening. kmod modules are prebuilt. 20:52:09 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: yes 20:52:53 * Kernewes is confused 20:53:08 <Kernewes> MrsB: so you should reboot??? 20:53:29 <MrsB> when you install a new kernel you have to reboot to change to it 20:53:30 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Led43_Mag1 is talking about pressing the esc key, to see the boot messages, when you do reboot. 20:53:48 <Led43_Mag1> DavidWHodgins: yep 20:53:57 <DavidWHodgins> I just remove the "splash quiet" option. 20:54:39 <Kernewes> MrsB: so what happens after reboot that you were talking about, that's not the same as installing the modules? 20:54:58 <MrsB> on each bug is a list of updated rpms 20:55:21 <DavidWHodgins> So the procedure is, install all 5 kernels, from core updates. reboot into each, to ensure they are working. Then install the updates, and repeat booting into each kernel, and ensure it's working. 20:55:34 <MrsB> so when you're testing the regula kernel for instance, have a look at bug 8068 and update all the ones from there that you have installed 20:55:36 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8068 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW, Update request: kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.24-1.mga2 20:55:38 <Led43_Mag1> Kernewes: you dl & install the new kernel, reboot, hit esc and check for the compiling modules line in the boot msg's 20:56:05 * Kernewes assumes it'll make sense when I try it 20:56:23 <MrsB> ask if you need to 20:56:27 <DavidWHodgins> I expect it will. If not, feel free to ask questions. 20:56:38 <Kernewes> you'll regret saying that :) 20:56:48 <DavidWHodgins> Lol 20:57:13 <DavidWHodgins> I'll repeat the testing I did before, to see if I can recreate the dkms problem. 20:58:25 <MrsB> I know there has been alot of talking across each other but does anybody have an idea how to begin? 20:58:35 <MrsB> everybody* 20:58:46 <wilcal> Yep 20:59:02 <wrw105> Got it 20:59:06 * Led43_Mag1 thinks so, if i get stuck will shout or ping 20:59:08 <Kernewes> I think so 20:59:09 <DavidWHodgins> I'll be doing a clean install of Mageia 2 i586 and x86-64, with all kernels installed, then enable updates testing, and test the updates. 20:59:12 <MrsB> tmb gave the order in which to tackle all the kernel bugs ^^ up there 20:59:36 <tmb> note that you need to select (or keep selected) the matching dkms/kmod drivers that mgaupdate sees / suggests when you test a kernel update 20:59:44 <MrsB> it'll be in the minutes which I'll link on the ML later 21:00:00 <MrsB> #info note that you need to select (or keep selected) the matching dkms/kmod drivers that mgaupdate sees / suggests when you test a kernel update 21:00:11 <MrsB> thanks tmb 21:00:23 <MrsB> as ever, if you get stuck, just ask 21:00:51 <MrsB> shall we move on? 21:00:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 21:00:58 <Luigi12_work> boo 21:01:00 <MrsB> lightning! 21:01:07 <MrsB> Hi Luigi12_work 21:01:16 <Luigi12_work> hello 21:01:48 <MrsB> For anybody who doesn't already know, Luigi12_work is David Walser on bugzilla (and in real life too ;) he prepares most of the security updates for us 21:02:05 <wilcal> kool 21:02:07 <MrsB> you'll see alot of him! 21:02:17 <MrsB> over to you then Luigi12_work 21:02:22 <Luigi12_work> so IMHO QA should focus on the pending bugfix updates at the moment, as they impact more people than the current pending security updates. Also, the kernel update probably fixes some security bugs, and it's blocking the virtualbox update which fixes a security bug. I'd also like to see the cups and php updates get pushed :o) 21:02:42 <Luigi12_work> so all that discussion you just had about the kernel update is good 21:02:44 <MrsB> :O 21:03:05 <MrsB> so security man says forget security updates for now .. 21:03:14 <Luigi12_work> crazy no? :o) 21:03:22 <MrsB> most! 21:03:45 <Luigi12_work> but kernel/cups/php > squashfs-tools/webmin/claws-mail-plugins/jetty 21:03:46 <tmb> MrsB: nope, since the kernels have CVE fixes in them, you are still doing security fixes :) 21:04:01 <DavidWHodgins> I see from developers mailing list, that there will be a bunch more sec updates too. 21:04:07 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 would like us to clear a few outstanding bugfixes 21:04:18 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: that's assuming people help with those 21:04:30 * tmb even managed to add advisories to all kernel updates.... 21:04:38 <Luigi12_work> I've sent out those mails once every month or two, don't get much help, although tmb did take care of squashfs-tools right after I sent it out 21:04:54 <MrsB> #info cups (again), php, virtualbox, kernel fix some security bits n bobs too 21:05:11 <tmb> Luigi12_work: yep, thanks for reminding me... 21:05:28 <MrsB> is there an easy way to test that tmb? 21:05:40 <DavidWHodgins> I'll concentrate on kernel/vb after today's meeting. 21:06:17 <Auel> i'll finally start working on the PHP one, was preparing for FOSDEM the past few days 21:06:29 <tmb> MrsB: I haven't checked for POC yet :/ 21:06:57 <MrsB> that's ok, more an easy way to check it's working. I haven't looked, is it straight forward to use? 21:09:42 <MrsB> I'm guessing not :D 21:09:59 <DavidWHodgins> Running dodep on the php update right now. 21:10:22 <MrsB> Ok thanks Luigi12_work for an unusual roundup :) 21:10:33 <MrsB> lets finish up shall we 21:10:45 <tmb> yep, basically 2 commands, mksquashfs for creating image, unsquashfs to unpacking it 21:10:56 <MrsB> ahh thanks, just in time :) 21:10:57 <DavidWHodgins> Anything Else? 21:11:00 <wilcal> I've stumbled across some M3B1 clunkers I wanted to briefly mention here 21:11:02 <MrsB> yep please dave 21:11:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything Else? 21:11:20 <MrsB> Is there anythign else? 21:11:23 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8535 Libreoffice won't build during install using boot.iso and an up-to-date repo 21:11:24 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Go ahead 21:11:24 <[mbot> Bug 8535: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, Missing package(s) and dependencies prevents installation of Libreoffice, libreoffice 21:11:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8580 WiFi won't disconect, which may be the root for lots of other WiFi noop reports 21:11:35 <[mbot> Bug 8580: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW, WiFi won't disconnect 21:11:43 <wilcal> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4146 Laptop not mounting MicroSD Chip, which I am still trying to figure out 21:11:44 <[mbot> [ Mageia forum View topic - Laptop not mounting SD chip ] 21:11:51 <wilcal> That's it for now 21:12:43 <wilcal> The Libreoffice thing is particularly ugly 21:12:46 <Luigi12_work> libreoffice is still being worked on dmorgan and tv 21:12:51 <Luigi12_work> updating to 4.0.0 beta 21:12:56 <tmb> libreoffice is being rebuilt... as soon as that completes it will work 21:12:56 <Luigi12_work> so don't worry too much about that for now 21:13:02 <wilcal> Thanks 21:13:02 <MrsB> cauldron is always changing 21:13:16 <wilcal> I did a LOT of walking around with the WiFi thing 21:13:38 <wilcal> interesting bug condition may be the root of a lot of WiFi complaints 21:13:38 <leuhmanu> it's not for nothing that there is something in the whiteboard 21:15:00 <MrsB> If you find they are valid for beta2 isos please add 3beta2 to the whiteboard for those wilcal 21:15:10 <wilcal> will do 21:15:43 <MrsB> just to be clear though beta2 isos don't really include the boot.iso network ones, it's the ones with fixed packages we really test 21:16:05 <MrsB> the installer dvd's livecds livedvds and dualcd 21:16:26 <DavidWHodgins> Once the version freeze happens, and cauldron stabalizes, then we'll do more boot.iso testing. 21:16:31 <MrsB> yeah 21:16:54 <MrsB> ok, so anything else we should discuss here or shall we claose? 21:16:57 <MrsB> close* 21:17:01 <wilcal> I done 21:17:06 <Kernewes> me too 21:17:07 <MrsB> thanks :) 21:17:12 <Led43_Mag1> ok here 21:17:17 <DavidWHodgins> Let's close, and get on with testing. :-) 21:17:23 <wilcal> bye 21:17:26 <Auel> yep, let's test :) 21:17:35 <alfred__> bye all 21:17:44 <MrsB> Thankyou all for coming, welcome again wrw105 I'm sure you'll enjoy it when you get stuck in! 21:17:46 * Led43_Mag1 can't help much untill early next week, has some legal stuff to deal with 21:17:52 <MrsB> same time next week 21:17:56 <MrsB> #endmeeting