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20:02:09 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:02:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:02:16 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:02:31 <MrsB> So, morning all, welcome to another meeting!
20:02:49 <MrsB> do we have anybody new this week?
20:03:06 <wilcal> I've used up all my spare USB sticks
20:03:20 <Kernewes> I've used the last of my DVDs
20:03:47 <DavidWHodgins> I just keep using the same usb stick over and over again.  When it stops working, stick it in the freezer for a while, then it works again.
20:03:51 <MrsB> i think it's just us old'uns again isn't it
20:04:04 <Kernewes> less of the old, please
20:04:11 <MrsB> you speak for yourself :P
20:04:47 <MrsB> so nobody new, lets go with next topic
20:04:53 <DavidWHodgins> Old'uns, as in no-one here who hasn't been in a prior qa irc meeting.
20:05:03 <MrsB> lol yeah
20:05:04 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: yeah, I know
20:05:10 <Kernewes> veterans
20:05:14 <MrsB> and old
20:05:18 <Kernewes> oh ok
20:05:25 <MrsB> old veterans
20:05:33 <Kernewes> so where are our medals?
20:05:53 <MrsB> make it to release and i'll try and find some ;)
20:05:53 <wilcal> I'm an old Mandrake vet
20:06:15 <MrsB> when you're ready then dave please
20:06:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic ISO testing - how is it going?
20:06:22 <MrsB> thanks :)
20:06:32 <MrsB> sooooo hos it going?
20:06:35 <MrsB> hows*
20:06:54 <MrsB> There are new isos expected soon
20:06:57 <wilcal> I didn't have any major problems get'n to a desktop from a live-cd/dvd
20:07:20 <wilcal> I tried it on two platforms 32-bit & 64-bit
20:07:33 <Kernewes> there's something in the Bible about you can't put new wine into old wineskins, so should you give new isos to old veterans?
20:07:42 <MrsB> I found out that kernel-server is default i586 when you have 4gb ram, it was never a problem for me before :)
20:07:49 <wilcal> I have one question though
20:08:06 <MrsB> ask away
20:08:13 <wilcal> there is some messaging going on in the right hand bottom corner as things get going what is that
20:08:22 <rindolf> I tried the KDE LiveCD x86-64.
20:08:33 <Kernewes> wilcal: is that about Nepomuk needing Virtuoso?
20:08:33 <rindolf> It worked fine and I was able to install it.
20:08:35 <MrsB> hi rindolf & alfred__
20:08:39 <rindolf> MrsB: hi.
20:08:47 <rindolf> Sorry for being late - didn't notice the clock.
20:08:55 <alfred__> hi MrsB, sorry for beeing late
20:09:04 <MrsB> np :)
20:09:28 <MrsB> morning kis
20:09:50 <MrsB> is it that wilcal?
20:10:14 <wilcal> yes that's what it is
20:10:20 <wilcal> strange
20:10:35 <kis> MrsB: Morning. Sorry I'm late.
20:10:37 <Kernewes> I think someone's put in a bug report, haven't they?
20:10:44 <MrsB> there is a bug for it, can't see what it is atm the pad is down
20:11:03 <wilcal> Ya I think I saw that thanks
20:11:17 <MrsB> bug 8352
20:11:18 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8352 normal, Normal, ennael1, ennael1, NEW, Missing Virtuoso Soprano on KDE live isos
20:11:42 <wilcal> My i7 w/nvidia the installer saw the nvidia board and installed the proprietary driver
20:12:13 <MrsB> With the installer isos we need to make sure they work with and without nonfree enabled
20:12:24 <DavidWHodgins> I only did one test with the dual-cd yesterday.  Had problems again with my eyes, so was off the computer most of the day.
20:13:20 <MrsB> so 6 installs for each, kde, gnome, lxde in free and nonfree. There are other desktops too we need to check but those are the main ones.
20:13:43 <wilcal> my i7/nvidia did fine with both free & non-free
20:13:47 <MrsB> I'm struggling with time this week too Dave
20:14:09 <Kernewes> I'll probably have to stop for a few days now because of real life :(
20:14:51 <MrsB> you're not allowed to :P
20:14:57 <Kernewes> wish I had a choice
20:14:59 <wilcal> fwiw I also use the boot.iso files from time to time
20:16:33 <MrsB> the boot.iso justinstalls cauldron, which is good to test from time to time but no real indication of what the isos will be like
20:17:12 <wilcal> will the official m3b1 isos be different again
20:17:35 <MrsB> so anybody having any problems with the ISOs, either getting them or using them, or any questions of what to do with them?
20:17:55 <wilcal> How do I install the grub2 thingy
20:18:00 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: We're expecting new iso images soon.  Official release will be the last set tested by us.
20:18:04 <leuhmanu> we need new livedvd and new nonlive will come too
20:18:05 <MrsB> there will be another build at least, it's being worked on now so probably tonight/tomorrow
20:18:08 <Kernewes> I don't think you can at the moment
20:18:17 <wilcal> ok kool
20:18:25 <DavidWHodgins> grub2 is missing from stage 2 in the lates iso images.  Till that's fixed, we can't.
20:18:26 <alfred__> only after install
20:18:35 <MrsB> you can select grub2 at the summary screen
20:18:39 <alfred__> change from grub to grub2
20:19:04 <alfred__> didn't see taht this morning
20:19:12 <wilcal> sorry where is the "summary screen"
20:19:22 <MrsB> it's experimental at the moment i'd sya so don't use it on anything you can't afford to spend time fixing, I'd suggest a VM if you want to try it
20:19:25 <Kernewes> wilcal: where it lists all the settings like locale and stuff
20:19:33 <Kernewes> wilcal: towards the end of install
20:19:35 <wilcal> ok got it
20:19:37 <leuhmanu> http://doc.mageia.org/installer/2/en/content/misc-params.html
20:19:38 <[mbot> [ 19. Summary of miscellaneous parameters ]
20:20:01 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: For grub2, Bug 8366
20:20:02 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 normal, Normal, ennael1, ennael1, NEW, grub2 is missing from stage2, so selecting it during dvd install fails.
20:20:28 <MrsB> it would help if it was actually there I guess :D
20:20:55 <Kernewes> just a slight omission
20:21:00 <DavidWHodgins> The grub2 package is in the media, but not in the stage2 image yet.
20:21:03 <MrsB> so, anything else? everybody happy they know what theyre doing?
20:21:24 <Kernewes> if I was, it would be a first for me
20:21:31 <MrsB> tmb ennael any comments?
20:21:53 <leuhmanu> nobody has issue with nvidia/ati/card on all isos ?
20:22:01 <MrsB> not so far
20:22:20 <MrsB> intel yes
20:22:21 <alfred__> not here
20:22:29 <MrsB> bug 6077 :(
20:22:31 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6077 critical, High, tmb, tmb, NEW, Centrino laptops forced to use vesa driver & No ACPI, kernel
20:22:38 <wilcal> I installed 64-bit DVD on my i7/nvidia, it recognized the board and installed the proprietary driver
20:22:49 <DavidWHodgins> Just the live cd resolution problem with an old monitor and a new video card.
20:23:12 <MrsB> it now properly recognises the monitor settings too
20:23:27 <MrsB> it was asking every time before
20:23:59 <Kernewes> still picks up my old laptop monitor as a plug 'n play but it works OK with that setting
20:24:07 <leuhmanu> ok so good news and no regression so far
20:24:33 <MrsB> have you tested leuhmanu?
20:24:50 <Kernewes> do you want to rephrase that?
20:24:59 <MrsB> lol behave :P
20:25:13 <leuhmanu> not yet on real hardware
20:25:29 <leuhmanu> (need to clean my dd..)
20:25:41 <MrsB> tried any of the live's?
20:26:40 <leuhmanu> nop O:)
20:27:21 <DavidWHodgins> Any eta on the next round of iso images?
20:27:35 <MrsB> I know they are being worked on now
20:27:54 <MrsB> i should imagine tonight/tomorrow
20:27:56 <leuhmanu> 17:54 < ennael> tmb: how is it going with live isos ?
20:27:56 <leuhmanu> 17:55 < tmb> well, I should have new isos out tonight..
20:27:56 <leuhmanu> 17:55 < ennael> ok
20:27:57 <leuhmanu> 17:55 < ennael> I've just built dvd isos without flash and skype
20:27:57 <leuhmanu> 17:55 < ennael> trying to build dual
20:28:07 <MrsB> ahh ty
20:28:28 <leuhmanu> so tomorrow ? :)
20:28:29 <ennael> (on the way :p)
20:28:38 <ennael> tonight for me I hope
20:28:46 <MrsB> thanks ennael
20:28:59 <ennael> one thing is fixed in coming iso
20:29:08 <ennael> you cannot unselect core media anymore
20:29:17 <wilcal> FWIW all my testing has been on two real hardware machines
20:29:21 <MrsB> #info new dvd's and dualcd tonight (hopefully) should fix being able to deselect core
20:30:02 <MrsB> ennael is it possible to get a description of the media on thta page?
20:30:10 <wilcal> Ya I deselect both once and it all came to a stop
20:30:18 <ennael> yep :)
20:30:22 <MrsB> \o/
20:30:22 <ennael> it's fixed now
20:30:29 <MrsB> great :)
20:30:45 <ennael> and you will have information with hints on media
20:31:01 <leuhmanu> have a bug to close then
20:31:12 <MrsB> will they stay enabled ?
20:31:32 <wilcal> My biggest issue(s) right now are with NFS mounts. There are open bugs.
20:31:44 <ennael> MrsB: ?
20:31:52 <wilcal> Has nothing to do with isos installs
20:32:00 <MrsB> dave's bug, lemme see
20:32:37 <DavidWHodgins> Bug 8368
20:32:38 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8368 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, NEW, Even if nonfree media are left selected and used in install, not enabled in urpmi.cfg
20:32:52 <ennael> that's a different one
20:32:56 <ennael> an old one :/
20:33:05 <ennael> there was a discussion about it
20:33:14 <ennael> but I guess we will see it after beta1
20:33:34 <DavidWHodgins> The old bug applied to upgrades.  This is for a fresh install, with nonfree left selected.
20:33:35 <Kernewes> then there's the question of it asking for CD-ROM media to be inserted after install, that's now with non-free as well
20:34:05 <leuhmanu> old bugs too
20:34:07 <MrsB> ahh that was it yes
20:34:30 <Kernewes> reviewers tend to pick up on that
20:34:40 <MrsB> ok so, is there anything else to do with ISOs or shall we move on?
20:35:01 <tmb> yep, both bugs are known, and tv is working on them, but I dont think they will be ready for beta1
20:35:12 <MrsB> thanks
20:35:38 <leuhmanu> beta1 ?
20:35:41 <MrsB> lets go and do the roundup then before luigi12 falls off the net
20:35:45 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup
20:35:57 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping
20:36:09 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:36:10 <leuhmanu> (arf read tofast)
20:36:13 <MrsB> :D
20:36:17 <MrsB> your turn
20:36:26 <Luigi12_work> yeah hope I don't fall off the net again :o(
20:36:44 <Luigi12_work> so apparently there's a major problem with urpmi in mga2, so bogofilter won't finish on the buildsystem right now
20:37:00 <Luigi12_work> not sure what to do about that
20:37:19 <Luigi12_work> I'll be pushing a webmin update to QA soon
20:37:26 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have at the moment
20:37:31 <MrsB> Ahh so I guess we can finish validating the one we have and leave that in svn?
20:37:33 <wilcal> just testing webmin today, again
20:37:41 <wilcal> that was on M3B1 test
20:38:03 <Luigi12_work> yeah testing webmin in Cauldron helps, wanna work out the bugs before backporting
20:38:09 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: What urpmi problem?
20:38:30 <Luigi12_work> apparently urpmi crashes when making the build chroots, while trying to install texlive
20:39:07 <Luigi12_work> it just keeps trying and trying, but it's been going over 5 hours now and only succeeded on one arch
20:39:21 <Luigi12_work> yesterday it resolved itself after like 10 tries ~ 20 minutes
20:39:44 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch!  Some filesystem full?
20:40:04 <MrsB> I found a perl-URPM bug doing the php update but it didn't crash and not been able to reproduce it since bug 8371
20:40:05 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8371 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, ASSIGNED, Argument "48688|24100" isn't numeric in array element at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resolve.pm line 1378., perl-URPM
20:40:06 <Luigi12_work> I have no idea
20:40:48 <MrsB> Shall we validate the bogofilter we have then Luigi12_work?
20:41:17 <MrsB> or do you want to wait
20:41:19 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: sure, but if the build miraculously finishes it'll replace it.  I guess you can leave a note about that and say it should be OK either way.
20:41:27 <Luigi12_work> all it adds is that testcase
20:41:50 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like bogofilter just failed on i586.
20:42:06 <Luigi12_work> still going
20:43:41 <DavidWHodgins> http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ shows it's finished, but with status partial.
20:43:45 <[mbot> [ Build system status ]
20:43:55 <Luigi12_work> yeah partial because it finished on x86_64
20:44:02 <MrsB> So I guess we should wait, so we test the one which will be pushed
20:44:36 <Luigi12_work> well who knows how long this will take to get resolved, but ok
20:44:58 <MrsB> we should either go with the one we have or wait and test the new build really
20:45:20 <Luigi12_work> well we're stuck in between
20:45:24 <MrsB> yep
20:45:33 <MrsB> up to you..
20:45:41 <Luigi12_work> the one we have is there, it'll get replaced if this build finishes, but we don't know when or if that'll ever happen
20:46:08 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like a fairly minor problem (program crash), which on a system where it's integrated with postfix, would (I expect) only cause the message triggering the failure to be lost.
20:46:17 <Luigi12_work> maybe go ahead and validate it, and tmb will invalidate it if the build finishes and it gets replaced
20:46:36 <MrsB> sure
20:46:58 <MrsB> would you leave a comment to that efefct David please
20:47:02 <DavidWHodgins> Since the status is partial, wouldn't the x86-64 and i586 versions be different?
20:47:04 <MrsB> effect*
20:47:28 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: nope, upload only happends when both builds are ok
20:47:43 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ok.  Thanks.
20:47:56 <Luigi12_work> note added
20:48:45 <MrsB> I'll test it i586 after the meeting
20:49:01 <DavidWHodgins> I'll test the x86-64.
20:49:10 <MrsB> done already Dave
20:49:23 <MrsB> you can take i586 tho if oyu like
20:49:28 <DavidWHodgins> Oh.  Ok.  Haven't looked at it since yesterday.
20:49:36 <DavidWHodgins> Will do.
20:49:46 <MrsB> it's easy to test, theres a PoC
20:50:18 <MrsB> anything else Luigi12_work?
20:50:28 <Luigi12_work> nope
20:50:41 <MrsB> thanks then, as ever :)
20:50:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:50:57 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:50:58 <wilcal> I'm promoting https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541 today "systemd seems to have problems with NFS mounts"
20:50:59 <rindolf> Nothing I can think of.
20:50:59 <[mbot> Bug 6541: normal, Normal, mageia, mageia, NEW, systemd seems to have problems with NFS mounts, systemd
20:51:15 <rindolf> Except that I've been too distracted to do Mageia-QA work.
20:51:26 <Kernewes> can't think of anything
20:51:31 <MrsB> nooo, must do QA :)
20:51:38 <wilcal> NFS mounts have been a problem with Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia going back many years, it's being worked
20:51:51 <leuhmanu> (rindolf is playing is midi :p)
20:52:04 <rindolf> leuhmanu: heh.
20:52:13 <wilcal> I'm listening to Red Light Radio
20:52:41 <Kernewes> I'm enjoying some silence after a noisy day at the office
20:52:43 <wilcal> http://www.redlightradio.net/
20:52:44 <[mbot> [ Red Light Radio ]
20:52:55 <MrsB> I've got Happy Christmas Radio
20:53:04 <wilcal> :-)
20:53:22 <MrsB> If there's nothign else lets go to the last topic then Dave ;)
20:53:27 <leuhmanu> 21:30 < ennael> and you will have information with hints on media
20:53:37 <leuhmanu> seems not with a netinstall
20:53:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Bedtime!
20:53:49 <ryoshu> hi!
20:53:54 <ryoshu> oops
20:53:55 <MrsB> Hi ryoshu
20:54:00 <MrsB> just in time for bed
20:54:05 <DavidWHodgins> Lol
20:54:07 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody
20:54:08 <wilcal> I still got some hours to go
20:54:13 <rindolf> Thanks.
20:54:19 <wilcal> thanks for allowing me to participate
20:54:24 <MrsB> have a good night and please keep testing the ISOs!
20:54:28 <Kernewes> we have long meetings, start with morning and end with bedtime
20:54:29 <wilcal> will do
20:54:29 <rindolf> OK.
20:54:32 <MrsB> thnaks for participating wilcal
20:54:35 <alfred__> good night to all
20:54:40 <MrsB> nite all
20:54:41 <wilcal> bye
20:54:42 <rindolf> Good night.
20:54:44 <napcok> thanks
20:54:45 <kis> Bye bye
20:54:48 <MrsB> same time next week (if we're still alive)
20:54:55 <MrsB> #endmeeting