20:01:10 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 20:01:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Dec 6 20:01:10 2012 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anyone new? 20:01:44 <DavidWHodgins> So, is there anyone here who hasn't been to a qa irc meeting before? 20:03:33 <wilcal> Hello all 20:03:39 <Kernewes> wilcal: hello 20:03:58 <DavidWHodgins> Hi wilcal. Is this you're first meeting? 20:04:20 <wilcal> This is my first time in this meeting, yes. I'll behave I think 20:04:43 <Kernewes> wilcal: you'll be the only one then 20:04:54 <DavidWHodgins> Tell us a bit about yourself. Everyone please respond with a bit about yourself too. 20:05:45 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario Canada. A former mainframe software developer. Been involved with Mageia qa since alpha 1 of Mageia 1. 20:05:57 <kis> I am Kristina, originally from Germany, but now in upstate New York. 20:06:05 <wilcal> CE ( Computer Engineer, 68 ) started using Mandrake in 98 on a self serve kiosk, then on to Mandriva and now Mageia. Now retired with lots of time on my hands 20:06:26 <Kernewes> I'm Carolyn from UK, not very techie 20:06:43 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Where are you located? 20:07:00 <alfred__> hi wilcal, i'm Alfred from Germany MDK/MDV/mageia-User since 1999 20:07:43 <wilcal> Surf City USA, San Diego California 20:08:07 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome to the qa team! 20:08:33 <wilcal> Glad to be part of this 20:09:01 <Led43_Mag1> hi folks, John here mandrake - mandriva - Mag1 reside in the mudlands uk 20:09:15 <sebsebseb> ok nice there is a meeting :) 20:09:25 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: hi seb 20:09:26 <Led43_Mag1> *midlands, though its a bit muddy right now ;) 20:09:26 <wilcal> Is this meeting usually scheduled for this day and time ( UK time )? 20:09:37 <Kernewes> wilcal: yes 20:09:41 <sebsebseb> wilcal: were you the one on the mailing list? 20:09:44 <sebsebseb> that I replied to? 20:09:45 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: hi 20:10:04 <wilcal> Yes I am getting regular messages about meetings and QA things 20:10:05 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. I only checked my email about 20 minutes ago, and found out that Claire wasn't feeling well. 20:10:47 <DavidWHodgins> Is everyone subscribed to the qa-bugs list too? 20:10:54 <Kernewes> yes 20:10:57 <Led43_Mag1> yes 20:11:01 <kis> yup 20:11:03 <alfred__> yes 20:11:24 <wilcal> yes 20:11:55 <sebsebseb> wilcal: right so your the one I replied to, ok 20:11:59 <DavidWHodgins> Great. Things are actually pretty quiet for a change, with beta 1 delayed, and Mageia 1 eol now. 20:12:04 <wilcal> Oh by the way I just got my Raspberry Pi last week...sooooo kool 20:12:13 <DavidWHodgins> Nice. 20:12:26 <Kernewes> wilcal: I got one for my birthday, but I expect yours is the 512MB one, mine is 256 20:12:34 <wilcal> It is 20:12:41 * Led43_Mag1 reaches across to steal wilcal's pi 20:12:50 * Kernewes got there first 20:13:02 <DavidWHodgins> Lol. Ok, I'll move on to the next topic now. 20:13:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Status of beta 1. 20:13:24 <wilcal> Can I ask someone to briefly define what you are expecting for testing M3B1 20:13:30 <DavidWHodgins> ping ennael tmb 20:14:15 <DavidWHodgins> When it's ready, qa testing of early beta iso images is mainly just to ensure the iso images produce a usable system, so they're ready for wider testing. 20:14:31 <Led43_Mag1> wilcal: there is a page on the qa wiki that gives you an idea 20:14:57 <wilcal> What I usually do is burn the KDE 32-bit ISO to a CD and boot that on a diskless workstation 20:15:58 * Led43_Mag1 tests on vm's and then 32bit + 64bit test pc's 20:16:05 <Led43_Mag1> wilcal: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Working_on_pre-release_ISOs 20:16:06 <DavidWHodgins> We need testing on as wide a variety of hardware, as possible. Both real hardware, and in virtual box. 20:16:09 <wilcal> Once you get to a working desktop effectively the test is finished. The apps are the apps and those are seperate issues. 20:16:22 <DavidWHodgins> Also, make sure you've added yourself to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers 20:16:42 <DavidWHodgins> An also https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_iso_hardware_list 20:16:58 <Led43_Mag1> wilcal: plus you will need a p/word for the server that has the iso files 20:17:15 <Led43_Mag1> we use rysinc 20:17:37 <DavidWHodgins> Led43_Mag1: That will be sent by email, when the pre-release iso images are ready to download. 20:17:54 <wilcal> Ya I use rsync for my local repo which has cauldron, M1 & M2 on it. I mirror to mirrors.kernel.org 20:17:57 <Led43_Mag1> to every one on the iso testing list? 20:18:23 <Kernewes> Led43_Mag1: yes I think so 20:18:26 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. The list is built based on https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers 20:18:55 <Led43_Mag1> ok, i had to ask for one last time though 20:19:20 <wilcal> Any idea when the iso's are gonna be available 20:19:29 <DavidWHodgins> Led43_Mag1: Ok. Didn't know that. 20:19:53 <wilcal> I've quite a lot of time starting the coming monday 20:20:06 <Kernewes> wilcal: you lucky thing 20:20:26 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not sure when the iso images will be available. I was expecting them to be ready today, but without feedback from ennael or tmb, I don't know what the status is. 20:20:29 <Led43_Mag1> wilcal: you can put your testing hardware down on this page also :https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_iso_hardware_list 20:20:45 <Led43_Mag1> ops thats already been posted 20:20:54 <Kernewes> wilcal: be prepared for them any day now 20:21:16 <DavidWHodgins> Ping tmb ennael Status of beta 1? 20:21:20 * Led43_Mag1 saw a msg in here or ml about a delay untill perhaps frid 20:21:43 <Kernewes> Led43_Mag1: well that's tomorrow now 20:22:13 <wilcal> Led43 - do note that three of my boxes are already listed there. 20:22:19 <Led43_Mag1> 13:14] <tmb> ennael: ok. kernel-3.7 should land in a few hours too 20:22:19 <DavidWHodgins> During Monday's council meeting, it was expected to be a two day delay, so should have been ready late yesterday. 20:22:24 <Led43_Mag1> [13:16] <ennael> MrsB: given all this we should not have isos before tomorrow 20:22:59 <DavidWHodgins> Those messages were earlier today? 20:23:07 <Led43_Mag1> yep 20:23:28 <tmb> Hi all, beta1 isos should hopefully be available tomorrow. 20:23:40 <Kernewes> that's probably why ennael and tmb aren't replying, they're busy building ISOs 20:23:50 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks. 20:24:04 <Led43_Mag1> tmb: thanks 20:24:04 <Kernewes> correction, one isn't 20:24:11 <Kernewes> thanks, tmb 20:24:17 <wilcal> kool 20:24:27 <DavidWHodgins> #info First beta 1 pre-release iso images are expected to be ready Friday, Dec. 7th. 20:24:33 <tmb> tv has pushed his stage2 to the mirrors, so that part should be ok. kernel-3.7 got some hiccups, but will now start build in some minutes 20:25:11 <wilcal> I run a live copy of M3 right now and update that every couple days. Will that be much different then the M3B1 isos? 20:25:13 <tmb> so nonfree on dvds will be possible, grub2 integration is still pending 20:26:03 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: No, it won't be much different. With the iso images, were testing live, and/or installation produces a useable system. 20:26:57 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Have you seen https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8068#c13 20:26:59 <[mbot> Bug 8068: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED, Update request: kernel-3.4.20-1.mga2, kernel-3.4.20-1.mga2 20:27:45 <DavidWHodgins> I'm concerned about how dkms binary installations are handled. WIth the old ones removed when the new ones are installed, the old kernels won't boot, without recompiling the module. 20:28:07 <wilcal> I would urge folks to install to a completely blank drive ( killdisk.com ). I've seen some wrinkles in the past updating or installing to a disk containing older versions. 20:28:34 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: We have to test both clean installations, and upgrades from Mageia 2. 20:28:48 <wilcal> k 20:28:50 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: that's normal procedure for dkms-* built modules wthen -devel package disappear, prebuilt modules should stay 20:29:37 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll redo my testing, to confirm exactly what happened. 20:29:58 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for the feedback. 20:30:25 <DavidWHodgins> I'll go ahead with the next topic. 20:30:31 <wilcal> So I should be able to install M2 to a blank drive, update it, then upgrade it to M3B1 with no problems? 20:30:50 <Kernewes> wilcal: I think so 20:30:52 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes. That's the idea. 20:31:00 <wilcal> That's hard 20:31:17 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:31:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup. 20:31:30 <Luigi12_work> boo 20:31:35 <Kernewes> hi 20:31:38 * DavidWHodgins jumps 20:31:57 * Led43_Mag1 spills his bowl of stew 20:31:58 <Luigi12_work> so there's no security updates in testing right now 20:32:20 <Luigi12_work> there's a bugfix update for PHP, so it'd be nice to see that get validated at some point 20:32:28 <Luigi12_work> as far as pending updates, there's not much 20:32:40 <DavidWHodgins> Nice for a change. :-) 20:32:52 <Luigi12_work> if dmorgan feels like doing some updates, we'll have libreoffice and tomcat updates at some point 20:33:05 <Luigi12_work> also an apache-mod_security (guillomovitch) update that's needed 20:33:12 <wilcal> 73.9GB and 49,646 files in M3 today 20:33:21 <wilcal> at least in my local repo 20:33:30 <Luigi12_work> also a minor issue in claws-mail-extra-plugins (vcalendar plugin) with a fix in progress by julien 20:33:49 <DavidWHodgins> With abrt, since I can't seem to get it working, I'm thinking about assuming it's a config problem on my end, and once confirming it installs and starts on both arches, validate anyway. WDYT. 20:34:03 <Luigi12_work> yeah, doesn't look like tv has any intention of responding :o( 20:34:18 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do that after the meeting then. 20:34:24 <Luigi12_work> cool, thanks 20:34:36 <Luigi12_work> I guess he'd tell us if something was wrong anyway, since I made the same changes to it in Cauldron 20:34:55 <DavidWHodgins> With the kernel update, I wan't to make sure I'm abolutely clear on what's happening with dkms, before we validate it. 20:35:09 <Luigi12_work> so that's all I have 20:35:13 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me? 20:35:26 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:35:28 <wilcal> Sounds good and a busy next week 20:35:30 <alfred__> no 20:35:31 <Kernewes> not here 20:35:40 <Led43_Mag1> nope 20:35:45 <Luigi12_work> you may now exit Luigi's Haunted Mansion :o) 20:35:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:35:53 <ennael> hi there 20:36:00 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Luigi12_work 20:36:16 <Kernewes> ennael: hi 20:36:18 <wilcal> and I'm gonna continue to listen to http://www.redlightradio.net/ I used to live near Amsterdam 20:36:19 <[mbot> [ Red Light Radio ] 20:36:24 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Hi. tmb has filled us in on the status, with iso images expected tomorrow. 20:36:44 <ennael> yep kernel is building at the moment 20:36:47 <stewb> oh, there's a gtk update in testing you may want to look at, the version pending seems to cause input field issues 20:36:56 <ennael> and stage2 has been built some hours ago 20:37:01 <wilcal> what's the kernel release rev? 20:37:17 <ennael> so I will build isos tomorrow also with installer but without grub2 integration 20:37:24 <Led43_Mag1> stewb: is this one of umeboys bug 20:37:25 <ennael> this will be for second set of isos 20:37:42 <stewb> yes, but the RH bug he found seemed to comfirm it 20:37:53 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: So grub2 is still expected before final release of beta1? 20:37:54 <stewb> confirm* 20:38:01 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: we hope so 20:38:01 <Led43_Mag1> stewb: ok so its a real bug then ;) 20:38:34 <wilcal> Any idea if https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541 has been solved 20:38:35 <[mbot> Bug 6541: normal, Normal, mageia, mageia, NEW, systemd seems to have problems with NFS mounts, systemd 20:38:50 <wilcal> yes that 6541 20:40:11 <DavidWHodgins> #info First beta1 pre-release iso images will not have grub2 integrated. Hoped for, for beta1 final release. 20:40:54 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Anyone have anything else to discuss, or shall we end this rather short meeting? 20:41:00 <sebsebseb> nope 20:41:04 <Kernewes> no 20:41:08 <wilcal> I'm good 20:41:13 <Led43_Mag1> not here 20:41:20 <wilcal> Thanks all for letting me participate 20:41:31 <Kernewes> wilcal: good to see you 20:41:35 <sebsebseb> wilcal: yep indeed you're welcome :) 20:41:40 * Led43_Mag1 thinks this has been the shortes meeting he's been to 20:41:48 <wilcal> more to come I'm sure, see I wasn't much of a pest 20:41:53 <alfred__> very short, indeed# 20:41:58 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks everyone for showing up. 20:42:03 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting