20:02:00 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:02:00 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Nov 29 20:02:00 2012 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:00 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:04 <Kharec> \o/ 20:02:07 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:02:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:02:10 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 20:02:22 <MrsB> Hi all, welcome to another one :) 20:02:35 <MrsB> Thanks Dave 20:02:43 <DavidWHodgins> You're welcome. 20:02:52 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone new here today? 20:02:55 <MrsB> Diving straight in .. Who's new? say hi! 20:02:56 <Kharec> o/ 20:03:01 <MrsB> theres one! 20:03:16 <MrsB> hi Kharec and welocme to the QA team 20:03:16 <sebsebseb> yeah DavidWHodgins is new today! 20:03:29 <Kharec> MrsB: thanks :) 20:03:33 <DavidWHodgins> Lol. New with alpha 1 of Mageia 1. :-) 20:03:38 <sebsebseb> Kharec is that the guy who was on the mailing list that's new? 20:04:01 <MrsB> Im Claire, as you know :P from the Uk, say hi to the guys and say a bit about yourself, they'll do the same. 20:04:07 <sebsebseb> oh right yeah indeed Mageia 1 just came out :d AWESOME 20:05:49 <MrsB> scared him off :\ 20:05:52 <napcok> hi i'm Daniel from Poland and i like to help with testing betas and rc mga3 20:05:57 <sebsebseb> Ok I am Sebastian, been more focussed on the community building side of Mageia and such :), but MrsB will be glad to know that I will probably be giving the pre release ISO testing of Beta 1 a try, so yeah helping the QA team more properly for a first time in that case. 20:06:01 <MrsB> hi napcok! 20:06:03 <sebsebseb> also I am from England 20:06:07 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada. 52 years old. Background in ibm mainframe software development. Been involved in Mageia testing since it's start. 20:06:37 <Kernewes> I'm Carolyn from UK, not very techie but I manage to find a few things to help with 20:07:09 <remmy> I'm Remmy, nuff said :P I stumbled into this meeting by accident. 20:07:13 <MrsB> lol 20:07:23 <Kernewes> remmy: that's how we all started :) 20:07:36 <sebsebseb> remmy: right, but you got packaging expereince to I think, so you'l be fine at QA as well :d 20:07:37 * Luigi12_work stumbled into doing the security updates by accident! 20:07:47 <kis> I'm Kristina, from Germany, but now in upstate NY. I am sort of new. Sorry that I haven't been more active, but I had a busy term. That's luckily over now and I want to help some more. 20:07:49 <MrsB> napcok: are you subscribed to our mailing list, qa-discuss? 20:07:59 <alfred__> I'm Alfred from Germany doing some tests and give little support in forums( known there as alf) 20:08:00 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: if it weren't for you, I guess Mageia 1 would be well rather dead indeed right now :d so thanks :) still running that on this computer at the moment 20:08:03 <sebsebseb> with GNOME 20:08:20 <MrsB> hiya kis, good to see you again 20:08:21 <napcok> MrsB: yes, long time ago :) 20:08:44 <sebsebseb> kis: Welcome back :). 20:09:25 <kis> sebsebseb: MrsB: Thanks :-) 20:09:50 <MrsB> napcok: could you add yourself to the list here please for iso testers: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers - it's a long list but alot showed an interest but didn't do any testing. Hopefulyl we can change that though :) 20:10:23 <MrsB> stewb: are you here too? 20:10:28 <stewb> yep 20:10:44 <DavidWHodgins> Page is down. Have to ping sysadmin to find out why. 20:10:53 <MrsB> welcome (officially) to the QA team :) 20:10:59 <napcok> MrsB: i'm on the list already 20:11:04 <MrsB> ahh good! 20:11:09 <stewb> Hi, I'm Stew Benedict, worked for Mandrake/Mandriva, still hanging about, maintain a couple of packages 20:11:09 * Kharec too 20:11:14 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: it's crashed with so many people signing up :) 20:11:28 <stewb> In the US, homed in TN and OH these days 20:11:29 <MrsB> lol maybe so Kernewes 20:11:43 <MrsB> welcome, make yourself at home 20:12:09 <MrsB> if there is anything, whatsoever, you are not sure about or need some guidance with then please don't hesitate to ask 20:12:10 <sebsebseb> I should be on that page as well I guess :d 20:12:17 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: yep 20:12:31 <MrsB> what a nice team :) 20:12:43 <Kernewes> MrsB: it's growing 20:12:46 <sebsebseb> I need to uhmm rest my Magiea Identify account password really again uh, well going to need to anyway soon since FOSDEM is coming up, and will need to add myself to the wiki page for that really :d 20:13:20 <MrsB> are there any questions at this stage or shall we get going? 20:13:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Kernel Testing. 20:14:25 <MrsB> lol you're quick tonight 20:14:27 <DavidWHodgins> All of the kernel updates need testing on real hardware, and in vb. 20:15:00 <DavidWHodgins> In particular, make sure all dkms updates get built properly. Last time there were some problems with the video drivers. 20:16:22 <DavidWHodgins> With the last kernel update, I had one out of about a dozen installs fail, but couldn't reproduce the problem, so we let it through. Some people had problems after it was released. Still don't know why it sometimes failed to properly install the dkms updates in those cases. 20:16:31 <MrsB> each kernel should be able to install the various modules using either dkms (which builds the modules from source at boot) or kmod (which are prebuilt ones) 20:17:11 <MrsB> yes, so please do check thoroughly 20:17:22 <MrsB> has anybody begun testing these yet? 20:17:44 <DavidWHodgins> Even though some of the kernels are optimized for specific hardware, such as a notebook, they should all work, on all hardware, provided it's the right arch of course. 20:18:15 <DavidWHodgins> I've done a little, but haven't done full scale testing of all of the kernels yet. 20:18:32 <DavidWHodgins> Bit of a pain rebooting so many times, for so many kernels. 20:18:54 <MrsB> I've only really tested kernel-linus and dkms-virtualbox on 32 bit 20:19:03 <MrsB> yes, but we take our time 20:19:38 <MrsB> It's also important to ensure you can still boot into the old kernel by selecting it at the grub menu, without probloems 20:19:57 <DavidWHodgins> I'll set aside a couple of hours either later this evening, or tomorrow, to concentrate on testing the kernel updating. 20:20:33 <MrsB> anybody any questions or comments so far? 20:21:34 <alfred__> not here, so go on 20:21:39 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 1. 20:22:07 <MrsB> Beta 1 as you know is just around the corner 20:22:13 <sebsebseb> yep 20:22:15 <sebsebseb> indeed :) 20:22:25 <alfred__> when will it arise 20:22:26 <MrsB> It's good to see so many volunteering for testing :) 20:22:41 <MrsB> We should have the first build on 2nd or 3rd 20:22:54 <sebsebseb> MrsB: well Mageia 2 didn't work properly on two computers here 20:22:57 <alfred__> ah, ok 20:23:00 <sebsebseb> I want to make sure BMagiea 3 does :) 20:23:08 <sebsebseb> Mageia 3 20:23:20 <MrsB> keep an eye on qa-discuss for the announcements and I'll email separately if we still have a password on the rsync 20:23:31 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers is working again, so make sure you add your name, etc. 20:23:57 <sebsebseb> oh yeah I'll re install Mageia 2 on this computer as well, but not just yet, since it's the install from months ago that went wrong. 20:24:00 <MrsB> When testing please make good use of the pad, a link will be given 20:24:14 <MrsB> it helps us to know who is testing what and what still needs testing 20:24:31 <MrsB> also it helps to compare notes and validate each others findings 20:25:05 <MrsB> If you encounter and major bugs then email qa-discuss about it to see if somebody can verify it 20:25:33 <MrsB> also please create bugs for any bugs you find and add 3beta1 to the whiteboard field on bugzilla 20:25:53 <MrsB> I'll try and add everything into the email I send out 20:26:24 <MrsB> For alpha2 and alpha3 there were 5 separate builds, so there is alot of testing to be done :) 20:26:45 <MrsB> did I forget anything? 20:27:00 <Kernewes> MrsB: you must be Wonder Woman if you remembered everything 20:27:10 <DavidWHodgins> Lol 20:27:18 <MrsB> I don't think there is any danger Kernewes 20:27:39 <MrsB> Are there any questions on this? 20:27:47 <alfred__> yes 20:27:53 <MrsB> fire away 20:28:30 <alfred__> there only few ppl who let there testing machines in HW-list; plz update 20:28:48 <MrsB> ok sure, can you remind us of the link please alf 20:29:17 <alfred__> is in IOS-testers page linked 20:29:26 * MrsB looks 20:29:42 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_iso_hardware_list 20:29:44 <MrsB> thanks 20:30:07 <MrsB> #info Please add your hardware specs to the list if you know them :) 20:30:24 <MrsB> I don't think I have done yet :\ 20:31:04 <MrsB> Is there anything else on beta 1? If you think of anything later, just email the list. 20:31:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:31:44 <MrsB> lol whoosh 20:31:51 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:31:53 <MrsB> Over to you Luigi12_work 20:33:20 <MrsB> he was here a minute ago :\ 20:34:05 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping 20:34:27 <Kernewes> MrsB: don't ping him, he always says boo and it makes me jump 20:34:31 <MrsB> lol 20:34:42 <MrsB> I'll do it then tonight 20:34:58 <MrsB> We don't have many security updates at the moment 20:35:49 <MrsB> The main ones look to be perl-CGI which just wants testing on mga2 32 and awstats which turns out isn't actually a security update after all, so loses priority 20:35:55 <DavidWHodgins> The perl_cgi update, I'll test Mageia 2 32 bit shortly, and then validate. 20:36:04 <MrsB> Oh wireshark too 20:36:12 <sebsebseb> and Mageia 1 is nearly dead! 20:36:40 <DavidWHodgins> This Sunday, we can reclaim the disk space used by our Mageia 1 installs. Yeah! 20:36:40 <MrsB> yep, Mageia 1 updates will cease in 2 days time \o/ 20:36:51 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: I already have 20:37:14 <MrsB> Ok I guess David can email anything he needs to add later, I'll ad an action for him hehe! 20:38:03 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: DavidWHodgins hmm netiehr of you want to keep an install, for memories :d 20:38:04 <MrsB> #action Luigi12_work please email the list with anything you need to add to the roundup, MrsB did it tonight :O 20:38:14 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: DavidWHodgins or maybe in a vm at least heh heh 20:38:34 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: don't really have any memories, I didn't use Mga1 much, was still distro-hopping then 20:38:44 <MrsB> ready disco dave? 20:38:44 <DavidWHodgins> Nah. Need the disk space. Only have a 256GB ssd drive in this system, and now have my own mirror on my old computer. 20:38:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:38:59 <MrsB> tah :) 20:39:04 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:39:19 <MrsB> #info Mageia 1 will be EOL in 2 days time 20:39:20 <Kernewes> not that I can think of 20:39:20 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: yeah took me a while to properly install the final, becasue I had treid out in virtualbox some development versions, and I had Mandriva 2010.2 I knew how similar it really was as a result, plus it lacked the GNOME Shell preview that I really liked and well still does, that goes on top of GNOME 2, that Mandriva had 20:39:56 <sebsebseb> nope I think thats it 20:40:06 <maat> MrsB: ??? 20:40:10 <sebsebseb> unless Luigi12_work returns in the next few minutes or so maybe 20:40:26 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. 20:40:47 <MrsB> If we're done, then thankyou all for coming. Same time next week! Beta 1 here we come.. 20:40:53 <MrsB> #endmeeting