20:08:38 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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20:08:38 <rindolf> MrsB: OK.
20:08:49 * rindolf has a glass of lemon juice.
20:08:52 <rindolf> Well, from extract.
20:08:57 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:08:57 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:09:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic DuckDuckGo
20:09:13 <MrsB> Hi all and welcome to another meet :)
20:09:19 <rindolf> Hi all.
20:09:22 <Kernewes> hi all
20:10:06 <MrsB> If you remember a few months ago, I mentioned that we had been approached by duckduckgo with an offer
20:10:23 <rindolf> I do.
20:10:28 <Kernewes> yes
20:10:42 <MrsB> if we include their search as one of the searches in our browsers..
20:11:15 <MrsB> when people use that search to buy $STUFF then Mageia will get a share of their affiliate fees
20:11:52 <MrsB> It was agreed that we would do so but not as the default search engine, as an optional one instead
20:12:04 <rindolf> OK.
20:12:15 <MrsB> The news is that the contract has now been signed
20:12:15 <Kernewes> yes
20:12:31 <Latte> nice
20:12:36 <MrsB> Work is under way to add the search engine as an option to our browsers
20:12:43 <Kernewes> good
20:13:06 <MrsB> I think we agreed it could be introduced in mga2 also if feasible to do so
20:13:31 <DavidWHodgins> Just checked.  It's not in todays firefox update.
20:13:32 <MrsB> not as a specific update but along with regular updates
20:14:10 <MrsB> I'm not sure whether that will happen or not yet
20:14:36 <MrsB> any comments/questions about this?
20:15:00 <Latte> no
20:15:04 <Kernewes> no
20:15:17 <DavidWHodgins> I guess next firefox update, we should check to see if it's added or not.
20:15:39 <MrsB> yes, good idea
20:16:05 <MrsB> I think if it is added in mga2 it would only affect a newly created user on the system
20:16:18 <MrsB> and then only add an option
20:16:59 <MrsB> lets move on then
20:17:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 1
20:17:13 <MrsB> thankyou :)
20:17:32 <MrsB> We don't have all that long before beta 1 will be with us
20:18:02 <MrsB> it is planned for release on december 12th meaning we should expect to get the first ISOs around the 2nd or 3rd
20:18:20 <DavidWHodgins> So late next week.
20:18:40 <MrsB> we should try and reduce our bugs list as much as we can before it gets here
20:18:46 <Latte> are there any differences in testing alpha or beta isos?
20:19:29 <DavidWHodgins> Not really.  First beta still won't have all expected features, may, or may not have grub2.
20:19:29 <MrsB> It's still quite early in the cycle but we should start to see some new features in the beta
20:20:03 <MrsB> It's expected that there mihgt be the Nonfree on the installer ISOs
20:20:06 <MrsB> might*
20:20:18 <Kernewes> so what's the aim with the alphas if there aren't any new features?
20:20:23 <DavidWHodgins> Won't fit on the dual, so only on the dvd installers.
20:20:29 <MrsB> yep
20:20:45 <MrsB> Its all part of release early release often Kernewes
20:21:02 <Kernewes> what does that mean?
20:21:11 <MrsB> it enables people to test on various hardware with various configurations
20:21:23 <DavidWHodgins> Helps the iso builders get the list of rpm packages to include correct.
20:21:38 <MrsB> identify issues early in the dev cycle
20:21:46 <Kernewes> so it's the real under-the-hood stuff primarily
20:21:53 <MrsB> primarily yes
20:21:57 <Kernewes> I see
20:22:13 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.  Make sure the install creates a usable system, that can then install updates.
20:22:24 <Kernewes> ok
20:22:44 <MrsB> betas we can start to look in more detail but will need to bear in mind that the final release is not planned until march and alot will change between now and then
20:22:47 <DavidWHodgins> For alpha/early beta, that's about all we really care about.
20:22:59 <Kernewes> thanks
20:23:10 <MrsB> still file bugs for anything you find though
20:23:20 <DavidWHodgins> Later beta, and then rc, we'll get a lot more picky about everything being as perfect as possible.
20:23:27 <MrsB> exactly yes
20:23:33 <Kernewes> that reminds me, I must sort out that printer one
20:23:44 <Kernewes> I forgot about it and took alpha 3 off my testing machine
20:23:48 <leuhmanu> you can also tests all install case
20:23:51 <MrsB> artwork for example will arrive probably in beta 2
20:23:51 <Kernewes> will have to put it back on again
20:24:00 <leuhmanu> like lvm + encrypted
20:24:18 <Latte> Kernewes: me, too ;)
20:24:23 <leuhmanu> /usr in a different partiotion etc
20:24:31 <Kernewes> leuhmanu: you mean try all the various options
20:24:54 <leuhmanu> yep
20:25:02 <Kernewes> now it's becoming clearer
20:25:06 <leuhmanu> we have some blocking bugs
20:25:07 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.  We have to ensure the usrmove works in all possible cases.  lvm on encrypted, encrypted on lvm, etc.
20:25:10 <sebsebseb> oh yeah QA meeting
20:25:14 <sebsebseb> been distracted
20:25:19 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: hi
20:25:23 <leuhmanu> but I don't if they are still valids
20:25:29 <MrsB> what else was coming for beta 1, can you remember Dave? I've not had a chance to prepare very well today
20:25:29 <leuhmanu> +know :s
20:26:11 <DavidWHodgins> From the developers mailing list, not clear if grub 2 will be included.  Looks like installer running under systemd will not make it for beta 1.
20:26:22 <MrsB> ahh yes of course, grub 2
20:26:37 <Kernewes> MrsB: difficult to prepare from the loft, I would imagine :)
20:26:44 <MrsB> also there are plans to integrate systemd into the installer, but that will not make it into beta 1
20:26:46 * leuhmanu have seen anything in the svn
20:27:20 <MrsB> we've done all sorts so far Kernewes, drilled holes through walls and made some double glazing even!
20:27:27 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: yep hi
20:27:35 <Kernewes> MrsB: wow, can you come and sort out my place after that?
20:27:47 <MrsB> lol we'll be broken by then
20:28:00 <Kernewes> MrsB: broken or broke, or both?
20:28:06 <MrsB> bit of both :\
20:28:26 <DavidWHodgins> Beta 1 should have the newer kde, I think.
20:28:31 <MrsB> so are there any other comments/questions on beta 1?
20:28:36 <Kernewes> no
20:28:59 <DavidWHodgins> #topic ISO testing help page for new testers
20:29:06 <MrsB> Ahh yes
20:29:13 <DavidWHodgins> http://bn.parinux.org/p/howto_qa_iso
20:29:14 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ]
20:29:32 <MrsB> We still need to work on a help page for new ISO testers
20:29:35 <MrsB> like that yes
20:29:36 <DavidWHodgins> Need to go back and update it some more.  Keep forgetting about it.
20:29:59 <MrsB> This week would have been the ideal time to spend on that but I've hardly been here at all so far
20:30:29 <DavidWHodgins> Lot of yard work here, getting ready for winter.
20:30:51 <MrsB> could we make it a joint effort please, all add what you know. Any help for things like using the pad, dual booting, creating bugs etc
20:31:14 <MrsB> using usb sticks and stuff
20:31:23 <MrsB> using vbox
20:31:38 <MrsB> anything you think would be useful for somebody coming new to iso testing
20:32:20 <MrsB> anybody anything to add?
20:32:26 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
20:32:42 <rindolf> Well, I've ran into some serious bugs with KDE on Cauldron.
20:32:54 <rindolf> But this can wait.
20:33:26 <MrsB> lets move on then
20:33:27 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:33:39 <MrsB> Luigi12: ping?
20:34:00 <MrsB> not sure if he's here, he's usually _work at this time
20:34:15 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in the process of testing firefox and thunderbird on all 4 vb installs right now.
20:34:26 <Kernewes> we'll have to round down instead of round up
20:34:52 <MrsB> yes, basically we have firefox and thunderbird which are priority updates right now
20:35:02 <DavidWHodgins> I started testing abrt yesterday.  Will finish testing it after ff and tb.
20:35:11 <MrsB> I was hoping he would be here to have an input to our next topic
20:35:53 <MrsB> lets skip the roundup and see if he comes later, we can do it again
20:36:03 <sebsebseb> ok
20:36:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 1 EOL - Do we need to set a deadline for the last updates?
20:36:12 <MrsB> thanks :)
20:36:26 <sebsebseb> Mageai 1 probably not being taken that seriously now for any updates :d
20:36:28 <sebsebseb> since EOL is so close
20:36:28 <Kernewes> the deadline would have to be now, wouldn't it
20:36:36 <MrsB> So Mageia 1 will become End of Life on December 1st
20:36:42 <DavidWHodgins> I'm under the impression, that any updates for Mageia 1, are ok as long as they get validated/pushed before the 1st.
20:36:52 <MrsB> they are, that is true
20:37:06 <DavidWHodgins> Anything still in updates testing on the 1st will get deleted, as I understand it.
20:37:13 <Kernewes> time is running out for testing them though
20:37:13 <MrsB> I don't want us to become bogged down with last minute updates for an EOL release though
20:37:15 <sebsebseb> why update Mageia 1 before EOL, well, because  people will still be running it for quite a while after I guess yeah, and possbily me even on this computer hmm, not sure eyt
20:37:24 <sebsebseb> yet
20:37:44 <MrsB> Beta 1 is expect 2 days after mga1 eol
20:37:44 <leuhmanu> I can keep the sec bugs open if you want :)
20:37:48 <MrsB> expected*
20:38:15 <sebsebseb> I thought Beta  1 was the 12th?
20:38:21 <MrsB> release, yes
20:38:24 <MrsB> not qa
20:38:27 <DavidWHodgins> Firefox and tb, I've finished testing on Mageia 1, just haven't updated the but report yet.
20:38:34 <sebsebseb> ah right  the pre release Beta 1, oh ok yeah
20:38:42 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: That's public release.  We get it sooner.
20:38:56 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: yep indeed
20:39:03 <MrsB> Anyway, the point is.. Should we set a deadline, after which it's too late to send updates for QA for mga1?
20:39:13 <DavidWHodgins> The only other security update outstanding for Mageia 1 is kolab, and it's a bad update that should be deleted.
20:39:21 <sebsebseb> MrsB: `uhmm December 1st as that deadline? :d heh heh
20:39:49 <DavidWHodgins> November 30th, for things that are easy to test.  We'll have to play it by ear.
20:39:56 <Kernewes> MrsB: it would have to be within the next few days, I would have thought
20:40:14 <MrsB> I know Luigi12 pinged alot of old updates which have been wanting packager attention so it's possible we could get a deluge at a bad time
20:40:55 <DavidWHodgins> We'll have to make sure we are all prepared to do a lot of testing in the last few days of this month.
20:41:11 <MrsB> well, either that or set a deadline :P
20:41:41 <Kernewes> we are into the last few days of this month
20:41:44 <DavidWHodgins> If there's a critical security update, for something like firefox, that only gets an update on the 30th, we should try to get it through.
20:41:56 <MrsB> If we are tied up testing last minute updates for an eol release it means we won't reduce our mga2 list in time for beta 1 iso testing on dec 3rd
20:42:00 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: Mageia 1's second last Thursday is today!
20:42:25 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: that's what I mean, if there's a deadline it needs to be now!
20:42:37 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. Friday of next week is last possible day for Mageia 1 updates.
20:43:03 <sebsebseb> or maybe 1st Dec?
20:43:04 <DavidWHodgins> I don't think we should impose a deadline.  Let's  wait and see if there are any critical updates.
20:43:14 <leuhmanu> (current list https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=cc%3Aqa-bugs+OR+ass%3Aqa-bugs+ver%3A1 )
20:43:38 <Kernewes> or if we get a sudden deluge, postpone eol by a few days?
20:43:49 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: nope EOL is fixed
20:43:50 <sebsebseb> that's it
20:43:53 <Kernewes> ok
20:43:54 <sebsebseb> EOL won't get delayed
20:43:56 <MrsB> no, we won't postpone
20:44:04 <leuhmanu> well it is not so strict
20:44:12 <sebsebseb> if anything though provide some last updates on the 1st Dec?
20:44:14 <MrsB> we can't anyway, and shouldn't we need to concentrate on mga2
20:44:16 <sebsebseb> ones that have been tested by QA I mean
20:44:24 <DavidWHodgins> We should be flexible, if there are critical security updates.
20:44:35 <MrsB> we can't afford to neglect mga2 to ruch through updates for a dead release
20:44:51 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: maybe, but the idea of EOL is,  major security issues, well no fix, it's gone EOL
20:45:20 <sebsebseb> so  any recent major security updates are meant to be fixed before EOL
20:45:35 <DavidWHodgins> After the 1st, yes, but up until then, we should try and get any updates that come through tested and validated before the 1st, if possible.
20:45:44 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: yep agreed :)
20:46:00 <MrsB> I think yu've missed the point a bit Dave
20:46:14 <MrsB> I agree with what you say though
20:46:17 <DavidWHodgins> Be right back
20:46:39 <sebsebseb> yep Mageia 1 is still ment to be taken seriously at the moment for updates, not the attiude oh well it's about to go EOL soon anyway
20:46:58 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: it's just bad timing potentially
20:47:28 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: what with Mageia 2 needing  certian updates to, you mean?
20:47:46 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: yep, and beta 1 due as well
20:47:49 <DavidWHodgins> Back
20:47:54 <sebsebseb> right, but will have this kind of thing again
20:47:58 <sebsebseb> when it's nearly time for Mageia 2 to go EOL
20:48:22 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: probably
20:48:24 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, I understand Mageia 1 is about to go eol, but any updates that do come through, should be validated if possible.
20:48:27 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: we need more QA members
20:48:32 <MrsB> It's more to do with the possible affect focussing on mga1 will have on mga2. On Dec 3rd we will be concentrating on ISO testing for ten days, meaning any outstanding updates for mga2 usually have to wait for the duration. Obviously sec updates we will tackle where possible too.
20:48:52 <sebsebseb> MrsB: yep indeed
20:50:19 <MrsB> perhaps instead of a dealine it's enough to say we need to focus on mga2
20:50:24 <MrsB> deadline*
20:50:38 <sebsebseb> yeah I guess
20:50:51 <Luigi12> boo
20:50:56 <MrsB> ahhaaa
20:50:57 <Luigi12> no work today, it's Thanksgiving
20:50:57 * Kernewes jumps
20:51:02 <DavidWHodgins> I agree we need to focus on Mageia 2 prior to the iso testing, but for the last couple of days of Mageia 1, we should be prepared to focus on that for one or two days.
20:51:02 <sebsebseb> also I think Atelier might be doing another blog post soon, to remind people of the EOL, not sure about that one quite though
20:51:08 <MrsB> Ohh happy thanksgiving :)
20:51:13 <sebsebseb> there was one ealrier this month, but might be another, don't know
20:51:23 * Luigi12 seems to be the only packager that cares about Mageia 1 anymore
20:51:28 <Luigi12> the others act like EOL was a month ago
20:51:33 <sebsebseb> Luigi12: oh
20:51:36 <Luigi12> so don't worry about getting a rush of last minute updates
20:51:47 <Luigi12> I did the last of my old TODO list yesterday, and Dave validated them already
20:51:49 <MrsB> I have to :)
20:51:59 <sebsebseb> I got an update recently for Mageia 1
20:52:02 <sebsebseb> whatever it was, can't remember quite now
20:52:09 <DavidWHodgins> Probably opera.
20:52:11 <Luigi12> I don't plan any other updates except new ones that come to light
20:52:18 <sebsebseb> well it's meant to get security updates to the end for sure ;)
20:52:29 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: don't have that installed
20:52:47 <Luigi12> yes I'll try to stay on top of any new updates needed through the 1st, but I don't expect there to be much
20:52:57 <Luigi12> nobody wants to help with any of the other outstanding needed updates
20:53:05 <sebsebseb> last  updates for Mageia 1, on the 1st? or on 30th?
20:53:14 <sebsebseb> if there are any I mean
20:53:16 <DavidWHodgins> 30th, is my understanding.
20:53:21 <Luigi12> 1st
20:53:25 <Luigi12> EOL is the 1st
20:53:26 <sebsebseb> the 1st oh ok :)
20:53:32 <DavidWHodgins> 1st, updates testing gets wiped, I thought.
20:53:34 <sebsebseb> last updates on the 1st, if there are any, ok :)
20:53:41 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. 1st then.
20:53:46 <Luigi12> can't wipe on the 1st if it's still supported that day
20:53:47 <DavidWHodgins> Saturday.
20:53:49 <Luigi12> wipe on the 2nd
20:53:58 <sebsebseb> what you mean wipe?
20:54:05 <MrsB> clear updates testing
20:54:06 <Luigi12> delete everything in updates_testing
20:54:09 <DavidWHodgins> Anything still in updates testing gets deleted.
20:54:12 <sebsebseb> Luigi12: oh ok
20:54:16 <MrsB> \o/
20:54:25 <sebsebseb> ,but the Mageia 1 repos are going to be frozen as well I think? so could still get packages into Mageia 1, but yeah no more updates
20:54:35 <Luigi12> no new packages either
20:54:39 <DavidWHodgins> Correct.
20:54:39 <MrsB> no new updates
20:54:49 <sebsebseb> ,but the repos will still be there for the time being, but froozen?
20:54:54 <leuhmanu> yes
20:54:58 <Luigi12> yes it will remain on the mirrors
20:54:59 <leuhmanu> like in mdv
20:55:02 <MrsB> yep, tincluding the updates pero, just it won't be added to
20:55:11 <MrsB> typo night :\
20:55:15 <sebsebseb> right ok yeah good :) just checking
20:55:24 <sebsebseb> and indeed Mandriva 2010.2 went EOL, but could still get from the repos stuff it seems
20:55:34 <MrsB> so no fixed deadline
20:55:41 <Luigi12> sebsebseb: that's because of contrib
20:55:42 <leuhmanu> mdv 2010.2 is an exception
20:55:42 * MrsB overruled :D
20:55:46 <Luigi12> they didn't freeze the contrib repository
20:55:50 <sebsebseb> oh?
20:55:55 <Luigi12> main is frozen
20:56:07 <Luigi12> actually it's all frozen now because SVN and the build system were shut down
20:56:10 <sebsebseb> right, but when it's forzen, can stil download from that repo?
20:56:24 <Luigi12> yes, it doesn't get deleted from the mirrors for years
20:56:27 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.  No more uploads to it.
20:56:28 <leuhmanu> yes as you have rpm on mirrors
20:56:39 <sebsebseb> right ok :) so same thing for Mageia 1 then :)
20:56:50 <sebsebseb> so for an offline install for example, it could still be quite useable really :d
20:56:57 <DavidWHodgins> I've now got my own mirror.  No srpms or debug repos. 112G
20:57:12 <sebsebseb> if it's offline, dont' have to worry about security updatates etc anyway :)
20:57:42 <MrsB> so, lets go back and do Luigi's Roundup now he's here
20:57:59 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:58:02 <sebsebseb> and only Luigi12 doing pacakges for Mageia 1 now apparnatly  as well yeah
20:58:03 <MrsB> part 2
20:58:11 <MrsB> Over to you David
20:58:30 <Luigi12> not much to say for teh roundup since Dave validated almost everything already :D  Thanks Dave!
20:58:36 <Luigi12> We do have Firefox and Thunderbird as usual
20:59:03 <DavidWHodgins> Haven't updated the bug report yet, but I've tested Mageia 1 i586 and x86-64 already.
20:59:05 <MrsB> did you see i had a problem with TB
20:59:08 <Luigi12> this will be the last update of those for mga1 barring an emergency update like 10.0.10 was
20:59:24 <Luigi12> MrsB: I did, I have no idea about that, you did say it seemed to still work
20:59:40 <Luigi12> stupid Gmail claims FF is old too :o(
20:59:40 <MrsB> yes but it wanted to update from Mozilla
20:59:46 <Luigi12> oh, weird
20:59:50 <MrsB> not a good update that way
20:59:55 <Luigi12> we're suposed to have that disabled
21:00:00 <Luigi12> we didn't change anything in the package
21:00:10 <MrsB> It said it was incompaitble
21:00:24 <DavidWHodgins> Clair, was that in Mageia 2?  x86-64 or i586?
21:00:27 <Luigi12> not sure there's much we can do about it
21:00:29 <MrsB> mga2 32
21:00:29 <leuhmanu> you don't have two release ?
21:00:38 <leuhmanu> like for lightning
21:00:45 <Luigi12> don't think we have a maintainer for it anymore
21:00:57 <leuhmanu> one for th 10 and one for 14 and above
21:01:19 <Kernewes> MrsB: Gmail moaned about IE on my neighbour's computer
21:01:23 <MrsB> I'll test it on here in a bit too (mga2 64)
21:01:55 <DavidWHodgins> I'm testing with enigmail too, and had no problem on Mageia 1.
21:02:01 <Luigi12> if there's a minor problem, we can see if we can find someone to fix it for when we update to the next ESR branch (if it's still an issue there)
21:02:02 <Kernewes> MrsB: correction, it wasn't Gmail it was Facebook
21:02:13 <MrsB> ahh, that's ok Kernewes
21:02:26 <Luigi12> I imagine it won't be an issue
21:02:51 <Luigi12> it isn't clear yet what upstream's plans are, but I'm guessing this was the last update for the 10 branch
21:03:09 <MrsB> I wouldn't like to validate if it says enigmail is incompatible and downloads the mozilla one
21:03:45 <Luigi12> well like I said, that's only a minor problem, and I don't know that we can do anything about it
21:03:47 <MrsB> I'll have to test here too and see if it was an enigma
21:04:00 <Luigi12> can always ask on the mageia-dev list for help
21:04:05 <Luigi12> see if anyone has an idea about it
21:04:13 <MrsB> yep
21:04:16 <leuhmanu> what is the enigmail version ?
21:04:25 <Luigi12> what is enigmail anyway?
21:04:37 <leuhmanu> for GnuPG
21:04:45 <Luigi12> so it's a thunderbird extension?
21:04:47 <MrsB> it's the thing that signs/encrypts emails
21:04:48 <leuhmanu> yep
21:04:54 <Luigi12> is it its own package?
21:05:18 <leuhmanu> :src thunderbird-enigmail
21:05:19 <Sophie> leuhmanu: thunderbird-17.0-1.mga3.src.rpm // core-release (Mga, cauldron, i586)
21:05:23 <MrsB> it's own rpm, not sure srpm
21:05:26 <leuhmanu> :src thunderbird-enigmail -v2
21:05:26 <Sophie> leuhmanu: thunderbird-10.0.11-1.mga2.src.rpm // core-updates_testing (Mga, 2, i586)
21:05:27 <Sophie> leuhmanu: thunderbird-10.0.10-1.mga2.src.rpm // core-updates (Mga, 2, i586)
21:05:27 <Sophie> leuhmanu: thunderbird-10.0.9-1.mga2.src.rpm // core-updates (Mga, 2, i586)
21:05:27 <Sophie> leuhmanu: All results available here: http://sophie.zarb.org/chat/adM2a9C2
21:05:32 <Luigi12> ahh, bummer
21:05:35 <Luigi12> well that doesn't make sense
21:05:49 <Luigi12> why would it ship something with it and then say it's too old?
21:05:56 <Luigi12> unless it's a different source file
21:06:48 <DavidWHodgins> The srpm for thunderbird-enigmail is thunderbird-10.0.11-1.mga2.src.rpm
21:07:21 <Luigi12> enigmail is a different source file
21:07:34 <Luigi12> we have version 1.4 right now
21:07:39 <Luigi12> what version does it want to download?
21:08:06 <MrsB> not sure, I told it not to
21:08:08 <leuhmanu> http://www.enigmail.net/support/esr.php
21:08:09 <[mbot> [ Enigmail: Enigmail and Thunderbird ESR ]
21:08:51 <Luigi12> which says 1.4 is the current version for ESR
21:09:15 <leuhmanu> yep it seems ok
21:09:29 <DavidWHodgins> Claire, is it possible you have an older version in ~/.thunderbird?
21:09:54 <MrsB> I can't see how :\
21:10:06 <MrsB> I'll try on here after the meeting
21:10:14 <Luigi12> I have to go soon
21:10:18 <Luigi12> any other questions for me?
21:10:23 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
21:10:24 <Kernewes> no
21:10:37 <MrsB> No, thanks Luigi12 enjoy the rest of your day :)
21:10:44 <Luigi12> thanks, you too, see ya
21:10:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:10:50 <MrsB> o/
21:10:58 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:11:07 <Kernewes> no
21:11:29 <Latte> not here
21:11:36 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.  Is there anyone here for their first qa meeting?
21:12:07 <DavidWHodgins> I guess it's time to close the meeting then.
21:12:12 <MrsB> let's close then
21:12:18 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody :)
21:12:22 <MrsB> same time next week!
21:12:25 <Kernewes> thank you MrsB
21:12:26 <MrsB> #endmeeting