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20:02:25 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:02:25 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:02:31 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Alpha 3 - How did we do?
20:02:36 <MrsB> Welcome to another QA meeting
20:02:56 <MrsB> So alpha 3 is out of the door \o/
20:03:11 <MrsB> it's been tough testing so far on the ISOs with lots of rebuilds
20:03:21 <MrsB> how are we all doing and how do we feel it went?
20:04:00 <DavidWHodgins> I think it went fairly well.  I pushed my eyes a bit too much, so have been off the computer most of the last few days.
20:04:33 <Kernewes> you seem to have had fun and games with the live ones
20:04:41 <MrsB> i didn't see any major issues in the way things went
20:05:06 <MrsB> do you think there is anything we could improve?
20:05:25 * MrsB is half asleep today
20:05:52 <Kernewes> only you can improve on that :)
20:06:07 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
20:06:38 <MrsB> Ok well, lets have a think on it and come back to it next time. I think everyone has nodded off :D
20:06:47 <DavidWHodgins> Lol.
20:06:55 <Kernewes> MrsB: that's probably a good sign that there's nothing very obvious
20:07:13 <MrsB> #info no major issues, we'll have a think about how things went and come back to the topic next time
20:07:15 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone new here today?
20:07:53 <Latte> yes - a least a little bit...
20:08:03 <MrsB> wow, which bit? :D
20:08:21 <alfred__> :)
20:08:30 <Latte> not the part with the brain
20:08:39 <MrsB> lol
20:08:44 <sebsebseb> hi
20:08:49 <MrsB> ok lets move on and have an early bedtime
20:08:51 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: hi
20:08:53 <MrsB> hi sebsebseb
20:08:57 <sebsebseb> Kernewes: MrsB hi
20:08:57 <MrsB> go dave
20:08:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:09:01 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:09:07 <MrsB> there he is :)
20:09:07 <Luigi12_work> hi there
20:09:13 <MrsB> hi
20:09:20 <MrsB> over to you
20:09:40 <Luigi12_work> so we have two moderate severity bugs assigned to QA currently, ffmpeg (mga2) and libtiff (mga1/mga2)
20:10:14 <DavidWHodgins> Tainted versions of both as well?
20:10:31 <MrsB> not libtiff is there?
20:10:37 <Luigi12_work> ffmpeg has a tainted version
20:10:59 <DavidWHodgins> So test mga 1 & 2, core and tainted.
20:11:00 <Luigi12_work> luckily because of packaging changes we made before mga2, we don't have to update anything else other than ffmpeg for this!
20:11:15 <DavidWHodgins> Much better than it used to be.
20:11:23 <MrsB> yes
20:11:26 <Luigi12_work> yes :D
20:11:36 <Luigi12_work> there is also one not *assigned* to QA but is ready for testing, that is *high* severity, so testing sooner than later would be great.  That would be mariadb for Mageia 2.  The bug is here https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7996
20:11:38 <[mbot> Bug 7996: critical, Normal, alien, alien, NEW, mariadb new possible security issues fixed in mysql 5.5.28, mariadb, mysql
20:12:11 <Luigi12_work> you can report testing results there for now.  We just need to finalize the advisory basically.  We might break off to another bug for validation or not depending on the decision about what to do about mysql in mga1.
20:12:33 <Luigi12_work> just need input from tmb on that
20:12:36 <MrsB> I think it might be better to wait for it Luigi12_work
20:12:56 <Luigi12_work> well my guess is we won't end up fixing it
20:13:11 <MrsB> I mean better for us to wait until we have a bug
20:13:23 <Luigi12_work> it's high severity, and the package is ready to test
20:13:44 <MrsB> ok, so leave it open to volunteers :)
20:14:09 <Luigi12_work> next one I have in the pipeline when I have more time is plib, which will require rebuilding a few games
20:14:18 <Luigi12_work> so those that like testing games will like that :o)
20:14:21 <MrsB> #info ffmpeg (mga2) and libtiff (mga1/mga2) are moderately urgent
20:14:24 <Kernewes> Luigi12_work: hope they're better than open ttd
20:14:38 <Luigi12_work> it's tuxkart, torcs, and flightgear IIRC
20:14:47 <MrsB> that rings a bell
20:15:01 <MrsB> supertuxcart on mga2 ?
20:15:02 <Luigi12_work> yep we did an update for it earlier this year
20:15:20 <Luigi12_work> supertuxkart is using irrlicht instead of plib, so not needed to update that
20:15:25 <MrsB> ok
20:15:56 <Luigi12_work> so that's basically all
20:16:01 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me?
20:16:03 <MrsB> #info mariadb update is urgent nut waiting for an advisory https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7996 please feel free to test now though.
20:16:05 <[mbot> Bug 7996: critical, Normal, alien, alien, NEW, mariadb new possible security issues fixed in mysql 5.5.28, mariadb, mysql
20:16:16 <Luigi12_work> thanks for that
20:16:21 <DavidWHodgins> No questions here.
20:16:24 <Kernewes> or here
20:16:31 <rindolf> No questions here.
20:16:36 <MrsB> #info plib is coming (tuxcart, torcs, flightgear)
20:16:52 <MrsB> thanks for that Luigi12_work :)
20:16:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Our Roundup
20:17:01 <Luigi12_work> :o)
20:17:14 <MrsB> Dave is like lightning tonight
20:17:37 <MrsB> I thought we could prioritise the non-security bugs we have, we have a number now
20:18:09 <MrsB> I'd like to get xfce finished
20:18:40 <MrsB> and then probably all concentrate on the kernel update?
20:18:45 <MrsB> what do you think?
20:18:54 <rindolf> MrsB: sounds good.
20:19:27 <Kernewes> never done a kernel update, is it long or difficult?
20:19:48 <MrsB> neither really, long if anything. Updates and reboots
20:20:08 <DavidWHodgins> Does require testing on real hardware, as well as in vb.
20:20:24 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: I have some real HW to test on
20:20:33 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: it's just the time factor
20:20:38 <DavidWHodgins> Main things to test, are that it works, and all dkms packages get built.
20:20:54 <MrsB> #info could we please get XFCE finished and then concentrate on the kernel update
20:20:57 <Kernewes> I suppose there's a command that tells you that?
20:21:13 <MrsB> there are also the kmod packages to test, which is where we slipped up last time
20:21:27 <Kernewes> what about XFCE is that general testing?
20:21:28 <MrsB> they are just ready build driver packages
20:21:31 <DavidWHodgins> Last kernel update, quite a few systems had problems getting the video drivers built, so couldn't start x.  Still don't know what caused that.
20:22:04 <MrsB> I think it needs the final rpm list running through depcheck, maybe something you could do on your speedy new computer Dave?
20:22:12 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.
20:22:15 <MrsB> thanks
20:22:39 <MrsB> so we have a direction to run in :)
20:22:40 <alfred__> DavidWHodgins: i'd looke for that once, was very complicated
20:22:57 <alfred__> *looked
20:22:58 <Kernewes> MrsB: run?  speak for yourself :)
20:23:20 <MrsB> lol, well, when I say run I obviously mean crawl slowly
20:23:22 <DavidWHodgins> The combinations that can trigger 2317 are complicated. :-)
20:23:35 <Kernewes> isn't that fixed yet?
20:23:45 <MrsB> brb, sorry, would you mind continuing pls Dave
20:24:09 <DavidWHodgins> Nope.  Can't be till the rpm version in updates testing gets finalized/pushed, in preparation for the usr move.
20:24:13 <alfred__> duno the problem was that kernel and nvidia-module rolled in at the same time
20:24:44 <DavidWHodgins> Every kernel update includes new proprietary drivers.
20:24:54 <MrsB> back, sorry, was quicker than I expected
20:25:06 <Kernewes> MrsB: you did run :)
20:25:21 <MrsB> the phone rang , i didn't run far :)
20:25:26 <DavidWHodgins> The Nope was in response to 2317 being fixed yet.
20:25:28 <alfred__> x11-drivers yes but not necessary a new proprietary driver
20:25:56 <alfred__> there was an new version of nvidia-driver
20:26:23 <MrsB> It's also important to check you can still boot into the old kernel once the new one is installed, in the various configurations (dkms or kmod)
20:26:44 <DavidWHodgins> Good point.
20:27:16 <MrsB> check all your hardware is still recognised as it was or better than before
20:27:39 <MrsB> no unexpected crashes etc
20:28:03 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:28:16 <Kernewes> just something I wanted to check
20:28:16 <MrsB> soooo is there anything else?
20:28:21 <Kernewes> I'l try and keep it short
20:28:28 <MrsB> I have something actually
20:28:34 <Kernewes> when I was testing alpha3 in a VM
20:28:49 <Kernewes> after installation when I went to install extra stuff
20:29:11 <Kernewes> it tried to find the installation media and I had to go back and uncheck the Core Media box
20:29:21 <Kernewes> is that only in VMs
20:29:47 <DavidWHodgins> That happens anytime the iso is not in the drive, and mounted.
20:30:06 <Kernewes> I don't recall getting it before
20:30:08 <DavidWHodgins> After install, on reboot the dvd normally gets ejected.
20:30:08 <MrsB> It's an old problem, you could create a bug for it if you like
20:30:20 <Kernewes> I thought I'd read something about it somewhere
20:30:37 <Kernewes> I'll see what happens with the betas
20:30:37 <MrsB> its something I've seen reviewers pick up on in the past too
20:30:41 <DavidWHodgins> If you check the livecd option in vb, then it ignore the eject, but you then have to select boot from hard drive.
20:30:45 <Kernewes> oh that's it, it was in a mag
20:31:19 <MrsB> create a bug for it, that way it's registered somewhere and can maybe be addressed
20:31:31 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: Virtualbox won't let me eject anyway
20:31:46 <Kernewes> MrsB: ok
20:31:49 <MrsB> I have something too.
20:31:53 <DavidWHodgins> Strange.  It ejects on reboot here.
20:31:57 <MrsB> #info MrB is off work next week and we're trying to do things around the house so MrsB won't here as much as usual
20:33:42 <DavidWHodgins> Shall we close the meeting now?
20:33:56 <MrsB> if there's nothing else, yes..
20:34:05 <MrsB> last chance..
20:34:05 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:34:08 <MrsB> 3..
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20:34:12 <MrsB> 1..
20:34:12 <Kernewes> nothing here
20:34:15 <alfred__> nothing else here
20:34:20 <MrsB> thankyou all for coming!
20:34:30 <MrsB> and thanks again for all the testing on alpha 3
20:34:30 <alfred__> by all
20:34:41 <MrsB> same time next week (hopefully)
20:34:45 <Kernewes> alfred__: bye
20:34:47 <MrsB> #endmeeting