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20:08:30 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
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20:08:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 1 some big changes expected (possibly) - nonfree & grub2
20:08:46 <MrsB> lightning!
20:08:53 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:09:05 <MrsB> hi everybody and welcome to another (late) meeting :)
20:09:39 <MrsB> some quick news on what is coming which may or may not make it into Beta 1
20:10:05 <MrsB> there are some big changes which have the potential to cause some big bugs
20:10:41 <MrsB> The inclusion of Nonfree on the classic installer DVD's is underway
20:11:10 <MrsB> that should enable nonfree firmware and drivers to be installed as an option during install
20:11:12 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah!  That should prevent a lot of the problems people had with Mageia 2.
20:11:24 <MrsB> yep, exactly, thats a good thing
20:11:35 <MrsB> won't fix bug 6077 though :(
20:11:36 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6077 critical, High, tmb, tmb, NEW, Centrino laptops forced to use vesa driver & No ACPI, kernel
20:11:43 <MrsB> also..
20:11:46 <leuhmanu> oh threr is recent news about that ?
20:12:02 <MrsB> Thierry is working on the nonfree now
20:12:21 <leuhmanu> oki
20:12:27 <MrsB> also, grub2 is on it's way as the default bootloader
20:12:29 <DavidWHodgins> Will the installer have an option not to include nonfree?
20:13:01 <MrsB> I think so dave yes, not entirely sure. There should be a way for magazines to distribute the dvd without including nonfree anyway
20:13:18 <MrsB> oh another also..
20:13:44 <MrsB> This may or may not be in beta 1 but there are plans to incorporate systemd into the installer aswell
20:14:01 <alfred__> that means?
20:14:12 <MrsB> so ISo testing may not get any easier yet :D
20:14:26 <DavidWHodgins> That should clear up problems caused by a non-hostonly initrd.
20:14:40 <MrsB> Apparently the installer has some kind of non standard init system
20:14:54 <alfred__> ah ok
20:14:54 <MrsB> it isn't even sysvinit
20:15:05 <MrsB> so this will 'standardise' it i guess
20:15:35 <DavidWHodgins> It will allow dracut to get the same input while installing, that it get's after installation.
20:15:41 <MrsB> all of these could create big problems or go smoothly, i guess we'll see soon enough
20:16:16 <MrsB> any questions or comments on this?
20:16:27 <alfred__> not yet
20:16:40 <DavidWHodgins> The switch to grub2 will be a bit of a pain.  I've been using the gag boot manager for years, but it will not work with grub 2, from what I understand.
20:17:00 <MrsB> I've never heard of that Dave
20:17:31 <DavidWHodgins> I put each installs boot loader into / or /boot, and use gag to select which boot loader to use.
20:18:02 <MrsB> so lets leave this with a general sense of foreboding and move on for now :)
20:18:15 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Alpha3 - Hows it going?
20:18:25 <MrsB> thanks
20:18:27 <MrsB> sooo
20:18:30 <MrsB> how is it going?
20:19:03 <Latte> I'm syncing right now -
20:19:15 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't started testing the latest live iso images, except for the one test I did last night with the gnome live cd under vb.
20:19:15 <Latte> within the week there's not much time here
20:19:42 <MrsB> I'm the other way around, I have time in the week but short at weekends
20:19:49 <DavidWHodgins> I've also just started syncing the latest install iso  images.
20:20:17 <alfred__> well could not much test the last days, on my 2 test notebooks the graphics died suddenly
20:20:21 <MrsB> there should be improvements in upgrading in the latest dvd's
20:20:36 <MrsB> ouch alfred__ :(
20:20:57 <DavidWHodgins> Going to be a busy day today. :-)
20:21:32 <MrsB> are the notebooks dead now or is it just that X isn't working?
20:22:03 <rindolf> MrsB: due to family problems, I can only work on my laptop, which has more limited resources, and whose VBox can only emulate i586.
20:22:13 <alfred__> only the graphics, but is onboard graphic :(
20:22:31 <MrsB> any ideas what caused it?
20:22:41 <MrsB> that's ok rindolf, anything you can do is helpful
20:22:48 <DavidWHodgins> Does an external monitor still work, or is the graphics card completly burned out?
20:22:51 <alfred__> they are arond 5 years old
20:23:12 <rindolf> MrsB: I can still connect to my other computer using ssh/etc.
20:23:16 <rindolf> And today it OOPSed.
20:23:23 <MrsB> :\
20:23:31 <MrsB> what's that one running?
20:24:42 <alfred__> DavidWHodgins: no completely dead
20:24:45 <MrsB> rindolf, you could use vrdp on your other one and run VBoxHeadless maybe?
20:25:01 <rindolf> MrsB: OK, I'll try.
20:25:12 <rindolf> MrsB: they are both running Cauldron now.
20:25:15 <rindolf> x86-64.
20:25:22 <MrsB> I sometimes do that here, only on the LAN mind you
20:25:40 <rindolf> MrsB: I have a wireless LAN on my laptop.
20:25:58 <MrsB> give it a go, it might be easier
20:26:06 <rindolf> MrsB: thanks.
20:26:06 <MrsB> morning swecarp & Kernewes
20:26:12 <Kernewes> hi there
20:26:18 <Kernewes> my other meeting finished earlier than usual
20:26:21 <swecarp> hi MrsB
20:26:24 <Kernewes> have I missed much?
20:26:34 <MrsB> alfred__: are you without anything to test on now ?
20:26:50 <rindolf> MrsB: otherwise the upgrade of Mageia 2 i586 to the Mga 3 Alpha 3 seems fine here (in a VBox VM).
20:27:09 <alfred__> no, have an desktop pc,but have to setup before
20:27:24 <MrsB> #info rindolf's upgrade succeeded \o/
20:27:33 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Missed list of changes expected/hoped for beta 1.
20:27:54 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: ok, I can look at the minutes later
20:28:04 <MrsB> let us know if there is anythign we can do to help alfred__
20:29:05 <MrsB> for my part, I've run into problems with X not loading on DVD and DualCD installs
20:29:18 <alfred__> there's an issue with the intel-driver i915 along with kernel 3.6.x so i can't test wit my new acer laptop
20:29:45 <MrsB> does it crash after loading the kernel alfred__?
20:30:47 <alfred__> no, KDE hangs from time to time, but i think uptsream is workin on it; error is drm:i915_Hangcheck_hung
20:31:10 <MrsB> oh right, not what i was thinking of then
20:32:29 <MrsB> Ok, so anything else on this? (other than please keep going!)
20:32:48 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
20:33:35 <MrsB> I know David might be busy tonight but let's try the roundup and see if he's here
20:33:40 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:33:47 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping?
20:33:52 <Luigi12_work> bo
20:33:56 <MrsB> Yay!
20:34:09 <MrsB> over to you
20:34:15 <Luigi12_work> so we have a critical update for icedtea-web
20:34:17 <Luigi12_work> that is all
20:34:19 <Luigi12_work> any questions?
20:34:23 <MrsB> lol
20:34:27 <Luigi12_work> :o)
20:34:34 * Luigi12_work is in the middle of demonstrating something in class :D
20:34:36 <DavidWHodgins> Nice and quick.
20:34:48 <DavidWHodgins> No questions here.
20:34:54 <Kernewes> orhere
20:34:56 <Kernewes> or here
20:35:11 <MrsB> #info icedtea-web is critical, please test asap
20:35:22 <MrsB> good, thanks David
20:35:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:35:39 <MrsB> whizzing through them tonight :D
20:35:46 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:35:49 <Kernewes> is there going to be a bug-squashing day during this release cycle?
20:36:12 <MrsB> we can try that yes, maybe at beta stages or something?
20:36:17 <MrsB> it's up to us
20:36:18 <DavidWHodgins> Haven't heard of any plans for one yet.
20:36:32 <MrsB> we'll have to make the plans, that's why
20:36:42 <Kernewes> if there is and it's after Christmas
20:36:47 <Kernewes> I might be able to get a day off for it
20:36:53 <Kernewes> run out of holiday allowance for now
20:37:00 <MrsB> I know bugsquad tried one with mga2 and it didn't really take off
20:37:05 <DavidWHodgins> We should try and finish all Mageia 1 testing before the 1st.
20:37:18 <MrsB> good point Dave
20:37:42 <MrsB> #info We should try and finish all mga1 testing and get everything pushed before support finishes on th 1st December
20:37:54 <MrsB> #info Have a think about a bug squasshing day
20:38:14 <MrsB> anything else?
20:38:23 <MrsB> hi tony_
20:38:28 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
20:38:36 <rindolf> tony_: hi.
20:38:49 <alfred__> no not here
20:38:54 <Kernewes> not here
20:38:58 <tony_> Hi from Tony Blackwell, Brisbane, Australia
20:39:04 <Latte> here, too
20:39:15 <Kernewes> tony_: hello Tony
20:39:23 <Latte> hi Tony
20:39:29 <DavidWHodgins> Hi tony_.  I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada.
20:39:30 <MrsB> Welcome to QA :)
20:39:40 <MrsB> Lets do a who's new
20:39:43 <rindolf> I don't have anything particular to add.
20:39:59 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
20:40:11 <MrsB> tony_:  is new :)
20:40:42 <MrsB> I'm Claire from the UK
20:40:51 <Kernewes> I'm Carolyn from Cornwall, UK
20:40:53 <MrsB> welcome to QA and I think your first meeting too
20:41:13 <Latte> I'm Marc, from Cologne, Germany
20:41:22 <alfred__> alfred from Germany, known as alf in the forum also
20:41:37 <swecarp> im m�en from sweden
20:41:58 <MrsB> rindolf was here too a minute ago
20:43:05 <tony_> tonyb sitting quietly learning meeting protocol...
20:43:29 <MrsB> I always say that you need never feel alone in QA tony_ if there is anything you're not sure of no matter how small please don't hesitate to ask
20:43:50 <MrsB> how are you getting on with the ISOs?
20:44:22 <tony_> I gather from Claire's emails that there is a 2nd image, still with some display issues?
20:44:55 <MrsB> there seems to be, for me at least on nvidia graphics
20:45:08 <tony_> I've bug-reported that lilo installs won't boot at all.
20:45:09 <DavidWHodgins> tony_: The meeting was about to close, so you'll have to check the logs after the meeting to see what you missed.
20:45:27 <MrsB> ok yes, lets close and chat after
20:45:39 <MrsB> thanks everybody for coming!
20:45:45 <rindolf> I'm here.
20:45:48 <tony_> Willdo, sorry I'm late, thankyou all for extending a moment.
20:45:48 <MrsB> same time next week
20:45:54 * Led43_Mag1 from UK is finally here, will catch up with what i missed after the meeting
20:45:58 <Kernewes> two meetings in 1 hour 45 minutes including travelling back here, how's that
20:46:02 <rindolf> I'm Shlomi Fish from Tel Aviv, Israel.
20:46:05 <MrsB> #endmeeting