19:03:19 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Sep 27 19:03:19 2012 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:30 <MrsB> Hi guys, welcome to another one :) 19:03:34 <rindolf> Hi all. 19:03:40 <Edux_099> he likes to talk a lot, (sebsebseb) 19:03:44 <Kernewes> rindolf: hi 19:03:49 <Edux_099> hi 19:03:53 <sebsebseb> hi 19:03:54 <kis> hi 19:03:55 <sebsebseb> Edux_099: depends 19:03:55 <MichalGi> Hi 19:04:00 <wassi232> hi 19:04:04 <alfred__> hi 19:04:16 <Edux_099> sebsebseb : right 19:04:23 <led43_Mag1> hi every 1 19:04:31 <Kernewes> led43_Mag1: hi 19:04:37 <MrsB> Let's jump right in to the first topic 19:04:53 <MrsB> #topic Who's new ? 19:05:05 <MrsB> Is there anybody new tonight? 19:05:09 * MrsB looks 19:05:35 <MrsB> I don't think there is is there? 19:05:52 <sebsebseb> MrsB you're new :d 19:05:58 <Edux_099> ? 19:06:00 <MrsB> i don't feel very new :( 19:06:05 <Edux_099> :S 19:06:14 <alfred__> it's the day 19:06:16 <MrsB> Ok so that one was easy :D 19:06:29 <MrsB> #topic Alpha 2 19:06:48 <Edux_099> This one is going to be really short lol 19:06:52 <Edux_099> (meeting) 19:06:52 <MrsB> As you maybe already know, alpha 2 is due any day now for us to test 19:07:02 <MrsB> yes, looks that way Edux_099 :D 19:07:27 <MrsB> I think we will have ISOs either tomorrow or at the weekend 19:07:38 <MrsB> Did everybody keep their alpha1 ISOs? 19:07:50 <alfred__> yeah 19:07:53 <led43_Mag1> yep 19:07:57 <MichalGi> yes 19:07:58 <kis> yes 19:07:59 <MrsB> \o/ 19:08:27 <MrsB> What we will do is rename them all ready for the alpha2 ISOs 19:08:34 <MrsB> there is a trick to do that :) 19:08:51 <led43_Mag1> a bash script? 19:09:07 <MrsB> #info to rename your alpha1 ISOs use the following commands in the diretcory they are in 19:09:24 <MrsB> #info find . -type d -exec rename alpha1 alpha2 {} + 19:09:35 <MrsB> #info find . -type f -exec rename alpha1 alpha2 {} + 19:10:16 <MrsB> #info We expect the alpha2 to be ready for us to test either friday or Saturday 19:10:28 <MrsB> and also.. 19:10:41 <MrsB> #info there will be livecd's this time too 19:10:49 <alfred__> would you please email tthat, Claire 19:10:58 <MrsB> yes i will do alfred__ 19:11:01 <alfred__> not all ISO-tester are present 19:11:33 <MrsB> #info if you haven't yet put your name down for ISO testing please remember to add it here.. 19:11:48 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers 19:11:56 * Kernewes back again, lost connection to server 19:12:13 <MrsB> #action MrsB to email the list about renaming the ISOs 19:12:43 <led43_Mag1> both those commands worked here 19:13:14 <MrsB> does anybody have any comments or questions about ISO testing etc ? 19:13:23 <led43_Mag1> not here 19:13:32 <Kernewes> missed all that, will have to read the minutes later 19:13:40 <MrsB> sorry Kernewes 19:13:50 <Kernewes> don't know what happened 19:13:59 <MrsB> you pinged out 19:14:13 <Kernewes> last time that happened I got a message 19:14:15 <Kernewes> this time I didn't 19:14:21 <led43_Mag1> Kernewes: smoke haze from sebsebseb t shirts ;) 19:14:28 <Kernewes> led43_Mag1: lol 19:14:54 <MrsB> We will use the pad again, I'll email a link when I know it, unless ennael beats me to it :) 19:15:15 <MrsB> please use the pad and create bugs for any you find in testing 19:15:36 <led43_Mag1> the pirina one or the spread sheet 19:15:36 <MrsB> when you create them please add 3alpha2 into the whiteboard 19:15:49 <MrsB> it'll be parinux pad again this time 19:16:07 <led43_Mag1> ok :( 19:16:22 <MrsB> you'd rather use the spreadsheets? 19:17:11 <MrsB> we can see how we get on, discuss it later if we find there are problems 19:17:30 <MrsB> does anybody have anything to add here or any questions ? 19:17:32 <led43_Mag1> maybe ask the ml whats prefured, the pad kept disconecting and loosing 80% of my txt 19:17:59 <MrsB> we did before and decided on the pad :D 19:18:11 <MrsB> there is maybe a different pad we can use though 19:18:27 <MrsB> do you want to research that led43_Mag1? 19:18:33 <led43_Mag1> ok lets try the different one 19:19:06 <MrsB> i think we used piratepad at one time then changed to parinux 19:19:31 <led43_Mag1> i did google for a few hours for !on line collaborative qa tools but did not see any thing that grabbed me 19:19:39 <MrsB> #action led43_Mag1 to research different pads 19:19:41 <MrsB> :P 19:19:41 <led43_Mag1> will have another look around 19:20:12 <MrsB> anything else regarding the ISOs or does everybody know what they're doing? 19:20:34 <led43_Mag1> we could ask the new qa person who jioned today, they used to help out Ubuntu qa 19:20:47 <MrsB> buntu qa is somewhat different 19:21:25 <MrsB> if there are no questions lets do the roundup. 19:21:26 * led43_Mag1 would not know as never run buntu seriously 19:21:40 <led43_Mag1> ok 19:21:49 <MrsB> oh almost forgot 19:21:52 <MrsB> another tip.. 19:22:11 <MrsB> #info if you need to take a screenshot of a virtualbox window use this command.. 19:22:28 <MrsB> #info VBoxManage controlvm "VM Name" screenshotpng somefile.png 19:23:08 <alfred__> is workin in fullscreeen mode? 19:23:14 * led43_Mag1 uses "Prt Scr" button and selects area 19:23:35 <MrsB> yes, it will just capture the screen of the VM called "VM Name" and save it as somefile.png 19:23:43 <alfred__> thx 19:24:18 <led43_Mag1> and subsequent scren caps are apended 01,02,03.... 19:24:25 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:24:29 <led43_Mag1> *screen 19:24:40 <MrsB> Luigi12_ Luigi12_work ping ? 19:24:43 <Luigi12_work> not much going on in security updates at the moment 19:24:48 <Luigi12_work> just the priviledge esclation issue 19:24:54 <Luigi12_work> dbus/glib2.0/spice-gtk 19:25:07 <MrsB> i you've alot in the pipeline though haven't you? 19:25:08 <Luigi12_work> spice-gtk has been validated, but will also be used to test the glib2.0 update 19:25:23 <Luigi12_work> the glib2.0 update is ready to go I believe, I think they're gonna go with the one that's already in updates_testing, so that can be tested 19:25:43 <Luigi12_work> um well yes there's a large list of packages that need security updates, but they need packager cooperation 19:25:55 <Luigi12_work> so I wouldn't expect a flood anytime soon 19:26:07 <MrsB> #info not many security updates at the moment but dbus is amost ready which can be tested using the old version of spice-gtk and that same PoC 19:26:08 <Luigi12_work> I'll be too busy at work the next few weeks to do much myself 19:26:15 <Luigi12_work> dbus is ready 19:26:22 <Luigi12_work> you meant glib2.0 19:26:32 <MrsB> You take all the time you need :) 19:26:41 <Luigi12_work> I bumped the subrel in the Mageia 1 dbus update today, so it can be tested there now too 19:26:47 <MrsB> #info not dbus, I meant to put glib 19:27:22 <MrsB> it'll be nice not to finish ISO testing and have a huge list waiting :D 19:27:31 <Luigi12_work> well I'll see what I can do <g> 19:27:50 <Luigi12_work> I'll have updates for PHP and Apache when I get around to doing them 19:27:59 <Luigi12_work> \o/ 19:28:06 <MrsB> that about covers that then unless there is anything you'd like to add david? 19:28:09 <MrsB> oh.. 19:28:09 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me? 19:28:22 <MrsB> #info php and apache updates on their way tho 19:28:48 <MrsB> none here, anybody else? 19:28:55 <alfred__> no 19:29:14 <led43_Mag1> nope 19:29:22 <MrsB> hi swecarp 19:29:35 <led43_Mag1> swecarp: hi 19:29:37 <swecarp> hi MrsB 19:29:39 <MrsB> so, lets round off the roundup 19:29:46 <MrsB> thanks for that Luigi12_work 19:29:46 <swecarp> hi led43_Mag1 19:29:48 <Luigi12_work> don't break your ankles 19:30:03 <MrsB> #topic Anything else ? 19:30:16 <MrsB> Is there anything else ? 19:30:23 <MrsB> I have something actually 19:30:34 <MrsB> malo are you around? 19:30:47 <malo> MrsB: just lurking around ;-) 19:30:51 <MrsB> hi 19:30:53 <Luigi12_work> ooh I have something 19:31:04 <malo> hi all 19:31:16 <Edux_099> hey me too 19:31:18 * led43_Mag1 sitting on edge of chair 19:31:20 <MrsB> could you say a few words about what you are doing with the rpm categories 19:31:28 <malo> right 19:31:30 <Luigi12_work> oh wait nevermind 19:31:31 <MrsB> thanks 19:31:37 <Edux_099> what we are going to do with xfce? 19:31:38 <malo> topic? 19:31:47 <MrsB> #chair malo 19:31:47 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB malo 19:31:55 <malo> or maybe not useful 19:32:06 <sebsebseb> hi malo :) 19:32:09 <Edux_099> Also we need somebody to test wine with Microsoft office 2003. 19:32:18 <sebsebseb> Edux_099: uh do we really? 19:32:21 <Edux_099> Who is malo? (name) 19:32:22 <malo> anyway, for Mageia 3 we are updating the RPM groups 19:32:34 <sebsebseb> Edux_099: by the way most of Office 2003 has worked in Wine for years. 19:32:34 <malo> Edux_099: I'm from the packager team 19:32:48 <Edux_099> ah, ok 19:32:48 <MrsB> one thing at once guys please 19:33:18 <led43_Mag1> rpm groups ? 19:33:24 <malo> the new groups are presented at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy 19:33:38 <malo> the rpm groups are used to classify the packages in rpmdrake 19:34:13 <malo> the classification had not been reviewed in years, which led to some groups holding thousands of packages while some other were empty 19:34:40 <led43_Mag1> will it change the places the progs are displayed in the start menu? 19:35:10 * led43_Mag1 agrees 19:35:11 <malo> from a QA point of view, until the move is under way (which it is now), packages might be a bit everywhere in rpmdrake 19:35:31 <malo> led43_Mag1: no, this is not related to menus 19:35:53 * led43_Mag1 did not think so, but asked any way 19:35:54 <malo> the target for the end of the transition period is Beta 1. 19:36:23 <malo> More details about the move can be found at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp 19:36:36 <sebsebseb> right ok :) 19:36:48 <malo> #topic Presentation of the RPM group Revamp feature 19:36:51 <MrsB> you think you could summarise that in an #info malo? 19:37:10 <MrsB> or two :) 19:37:30 <malo> #info package groups (as they appear in rpmdrake) are under refurbishment until Beta1 19:37:36 <malo> MrsB: good enough? 19:37:45 <MrsB> sure, thankyou for doing that 19:37:59 <malo> no problem 19:38:18 <MrsB> #info the new groups are presented at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy and more details can be found https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp 19:38:44 <MrsB> has anybody anything they would like to ask about this? 19:38:55 <malo> once the move is finished from a packaging point of view, we might ask for a few volunteers to browse through packages with rpmdrake and report packages that are in wrong groups. 19:39:10 <led43_Mag1> not here, I will read and inwardly digest later 19:39:25 <MrsB> we can make a note of that for beta1 testing 19:39:42 <malo> MrsB: that'd be great, thanks. 19:40:03 <MrsB> #info We will need to check package groups in rpmdrake look right when beta 1 comes around 19:40:22 <malo> but the essential idea is that it should not affect the functionality of the next alphas. 19:40:26 <MrsB> anybody anything they would liek to ask malo while we have him? 19:40:30 <sebsebseb> I can probably help with that one for example :d 19:40:37 <MrsB> indeed sebsebseb 19:40:39 <malo> sebsebseb: sure :-) 19:40:55 <sebsebseb> testing stuff shows in the right groups in RPMdrake it seems, once stuff has changed, easy 19:40:59 <sebsebseb> testing/checking 19:41:30 <MrsB> yep :) most of ISO testing is easy really, it's just time consuming 19:41:49 <MrsB> Ok who was next, Edux_099 ? 19:42:38 <malo> So overall, no need to report a bug if in the next alpha you see a package appearing alone in Office/Organizers :-0 19:42:54 <malo> it's just that the move is under way 19:43:05 <malo> MrsB: I'm done, i think. 19:43:09 <MrsB> thanks malo 19:43:17 <wassi232> thanks malo 19:43:35 <sebsebseb> I guess i'll copy them :d thanks malo 19:43:38 <led43_Mag1> malo: ta 19:43:42 <MrsB> #topic Anything else else ? 19:43:49 <Edux_099> yep, what we are going to do with xfce? 19:43:56 <MrsB> ahh yes.. 19:44:04 <sebsebseb> XFCE hmm 19:44:22 <sebsebseb> not really sure what that is about, but I guess about it being maintaned by someone or something, anyway carry on :d 19:44:22 <Edux_099> what we are waiting to validate? 19:44:39 * Luigi12_work has something 19:44:42 <MrsB> As it's a big desktop update I think we should try and get some other testers before we commit ourselves and validate it 19:44:57 <sebsebseb> oh it's going to get upated in Mageia, oh ok :) 19:45:16 <led43_Mag1> when is it due 19:45:16 <MrsB> do you use it as you main desktop Edux_099? 19:45:28 <MrsB> it's there now led43_Mag1 19:45:29 <Edux_099> Volunteers? 19:45:31 <wassi232> sebsebseb: we currently ship a mix of a testing and a stable version IIRC 19:45:39 <Edux_099> well, no, but I have it installed 19:45:43 <Luigi12_work> there will also be an update for GNOME, but ovitters said he doesn't know the list of SRPMS he already pushed off the top of his head. We can direct him to the madb page that shows every package in updates_testing. 19:45:52 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7369 19:45:53 <[mbot> Bug 7369: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW, Xfce 4.10 in Mageia 2 19:45:53 <sebsebseb> might end up using my net book for some ISO testing and such, so then might test XFCE myself for example 19:46:35 <Luigi12_work> http://mageia.madb.org/rpm/list/listtype/updates_testing/application/0 19:46:36 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 19:47:02 <MrsB> yeah that should help him Luigi12_work 19:47:38 <Luigi12_work> I think there might be a way to get it to list by SRPM instead of RPM, but I forget 19:47:45 <MrsB> #info please test XFCE to get some extra eyes on it before we commit to validating 19:48:00 <Luigi12_work> Stormi would know 19:48:07 * led43_Mag1 uses lxde on his server boxes, but has a little xfce experience so can help at the weekend on it 19:48:20 <MrsB> there is I think Luigi12_work yu're right 19:48:59 <MrsB> Could we try and do xfce tomorrow? It'll be out of the way then and we can concentrate mainly on the ISOs 19:49:16 <MrsB> I volunteer for xfce, any others? 19:49:28 <led43_Mag1> i may have some time in the afternoon 19:49:41 <rindolf> MrsB: what do we need to test with XFCE? 19:50:01 <MrsB> there is an update ^^ up there rindolf 19:50:03 <rindolf> MrsB: do you mean in Mageia 2? 19:50:05 <MrsB> yep 19:50:15 <rindolf> MrsB: ah, then I can install it on my laptop. 19:50:19 <Edux_099> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7369 19:50:20 <MrsB> \o/ 19:50:20 <[mbot> Bug 7369: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW, Xfce 4.10 in Mageia 2 19:50:25 <MrsB> thankyou Edux_099 19:50:48 <MrsB> the more eyeballs we can get on it, the less chance there will be we miss someting 19:51:18 <MrsB> What was next? 19:51:21 <Edux_099> wine 19:51:25 <MrsB> oh 19:51:45 <MrsB> I doubt anybody will have a copy of ms office tbh 19:51:47 <Edux_099> we need a Mageia 2 i586 tester 19:51:59 <MrsB> we can just check wine works i think 19:51:59 <sebsebseb> Edux_099: uhmm 19:52:00 <sebsebseb> Wine 19:52:10 <led43_Mag1> I USED TO HAVE A COPY OF 2003 IF I CAN FIND IT I WILL HELP 19:52:11 <wassi232> hmm yep that's my problem, I'd have tested otherwise... 19:52:17 <sebsebseb> Wine isn't realy part of Mageia QA in general I guess, expect for it installing 19:52:21 <MrsB> that would be good led43_Mag1 19:52:22 <led43_Mag1> opps sorry for shouting 19:52:22 <sebsebseb> I mean when it comes to programs, your on your onw 19:52:36 <sebsebseb> Edux_099: by the way there's a #winehq channel where people are active at times 19:52:38 <Edux_099> sebsebseb : ? 19:52:43 <MrsB> #info led43_Mag1 might have a copy of MS office 2003 to test wine with 19:53:09 <sebsebseb> and Wine has it's appdb, and I have ran MS Office 2003 in Wine myself before in the past, and basically everything works, except for Access and Outlook 19:53:19 <wassi232> well, we should try to avoid regressions... and not push updates that don't fix anything I guess 19:53:26 <Edux_099> You can search for them in torrentz.eu lol 19:53:33 <Edux_099> (installer) 19:53:41 <wassi232> sebsebseb: in that case the problem seems to be due to our packaging 19:53:54 <sebsebseb> wassi232: or a later version of Wine possibly 19:53:59 <sebsebseb> if he can't run it 19:54:09 <MrsB> there is an update for wine for us to test sebsebseb 19:54:17 <sebsebseb> oh ok I see 19:54:21 <MrsB> it's not that he is tryign to run ms office 19:54:28 <led43_Mag1> is there a bug number for the wine / office 19:54:30 <MrsB> well, it is, but not like that 19:54:39 <sebsebseb> ok I think I understnad now 19:54:43 <sebsebseb> just to try something in Wine in the update 19:54:46 <Edux_099> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6723 19:54:47 <[mbot> Bug 6723: major, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED, [Update Request] wine - fix buffer overflow when trying to open document in MSO 2003 apps [mga2], wine 19:54:53 <MrsB> You can always find our bugs here led43_Mag1 http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 19:54:55 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 19:54:57 <wassi232> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6723 19:54:59 <[mbot> Bug 6723: major, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED, [Update Request] wine - fix buffer overflow when trying to open document in MSO 2003 apps [mga2], wine 19:55:05 <wassi232> oh, Edux_099 was faster :) 19:55:19 <MrsB> lots of wine can only be a good thing :) 19:55:33 <MrsB> So, what was next? 19:55:38 <sebsebseb> that's it I think 19:55:47 <Edux_099> yep 19:55:58 <wassi232> lol MrsB :) 19:56:03 <MrsB> if there is nothign else then lets close the meeting 19:56:11 <sebsebseb> yep ready to close 19:56:12 <MrsB> last chance.. 19:56:21 <Edux_099> I had alrady configured webmin to test postgresql... 19:56:23 <led43_Mag1> MrsB: i have that page open permanently 19:56:26 <Edux_099> already 19:56:34 <MrsB> Thankyou for coming everybody, Same time next week! 19:56:38 <MrsB> #endmeeting