19:02:55 <MrsB> #startmeeting
19:02:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Sep 13 19:02:55 2012 UTC.  The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:03:13 <MrsB> So, welcome to another meeting :)
19:03:35 <rindolf> Hi all.
19:03:40 <swecarp> hi all
19:03:40 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
19:04:00 <MichaelGi> I am !
19:04:06 <MrsB> I know we have at least one new erson this week :)
19:04:14 <MrsB> hi MichaelGi
19:04:18 <DavidWHodgins> Present.
19:04:20 <MichaelGi> Hi MrsB
19:04:30 <MrsB> oops not erson .. person
19:04:30 <led43_Mag1> MichaelGi: hi
19:04:35 <alfred__> MichaelGi:  welcome to the team
19:04:41 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: Christmas
19:04:42 <MrsB> excuse my typing today, it's been awfull all day
19:04:52 <MichaelGi> led43_Mag1: Hi :)
19:04:59 <MichaelGi> alfred__: thank you !
19:05:07 <Edux_099> MichaelGi: hi
19:05:38 <swecarp> welcome MichaelGi
19:05:38 <MichaelGi> Hi Edux_099 & Hi all QA :)
19:05:47 <MrsB> Welcome to the team MichaelGi. I'm Claire on the mailing lists and bugzilla etc and from the UK. Give yourself a quick introduction and I'm sure the others will do too
19:06:45 <MichaelGi> Well I'm Michal on the mailing list (but my name is Michael), I live in France (eastside) and I'm student in computer science
19:06:53 <MichaelGi> in Dijon
19:06:58 <MrsB> Normally Stormi would be here too but he has things to do tonight, he's the deputy leader, and is Samuel from France
19:07:14 <MichaelGi> Ok
19:07:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada. Almost 52 years old.  Former software developer on ibm mainframes.  Been helping with testing for Mageia since Mageia 1 alpha 1.
19:07:54 * MrsB pokes everybody to introduce themselves
19:08:01 <sebsebseb> You came across me already :d,  I am not really on this team, might do a little QA in the future though.  More promotion and such for Mageia :).
19:08:08 <swecarp> im m�en from sweden  im 49 have bean using Mageia sins may
19:08:23 <sebsebseb> also I got swecarp interested in this team originally :)
19:08:24 <led43_Mag1> I'm john bowden from the midlands UK, mandriva / mageia user and part time qa helper
19:08:47 <Edux_099> I am Eduard, from Buenos Aires, Argentina. 15 years old.
19:08:47 <alfred__> I'm from Germany; known as alf on forums; try to help with qa also
19:09:03 <MrsB> and rindolf..
19:09:08 <rindolf> My name is Shlomi. I'm from Tel Aviv, Israel, I'm 35 and my homepage is http://www.shlomifish.org/ - lots of stuff there.
19:09:09 <[mbot> [ Shlomi Fish’s Homepage ]
19:09:12 <MrsB> :)
19:09:32 <MrsB> As you can see we're a good mix from all over the place
19:09:47 <MrsB> Have you ever been to a meeting like this before MichaelGi?
19:09:55 <MichaelGi> Yes you are ! Nice to meet you all
19:10:00 <led43_Mag1> and a wide field of pc / linux experieance
19:10:16 <MichaelGi> yes, yesterday on mageia-dev (but it was my first time)
19:10:25 <MrsB> ahh yes of course
19:10:29 <sebsebseb> yep I got you to keep an eye on the dev meeting yesterday :)
19:10:40 <MrsB> well, the meetings are logged much like a normal face to face meeting
19:10:42 <MichaelGi> yes thanks for that sebsebseb
19:10:50 <sebsebseb> MichaelGi: you're welcome :)
19:11:00 <MrsB> if you'd like to insert a note into the logs you can use the #info command
19:11:04 <MrsB> like this..
19:11:09 <MrsB> #info this is how you do it
19:11:23 <MichaelGi> Ok
19:11:46 <MrsB> I'm sure you'll fit right in and hope you'll enjoy working with us
19:12:12 <MrsB> What was next?
19:12:19 <MichaelGi> I hope too ! You look very good persons
19:12:19 <MrsB> oh yes :)
19:12:22 * swecarp dosent knowe
19:12:30 <DavidWHodgins> Birthday
19:12:35 <MrsB> #topic Happy birthday to us!
19:12:47 <sebsebseb> that's a point, if anyone wants to help with the blog post
19:12:51 <sebsebseb> Atelier could do with some help really :)
19:12:52 <sebsebseb> there's a pad
19:13:04 <MrsB> You may not realise, time has flown by and Mageia is already nearly 2 years old
19:13:07 <tonyb> Greetings from Tony Blackwell
19:13:11 <MrsB> hiya tonyb
19:13:25 <MrsB> did you see the introductions?
19:13:39 <tonyb> Hiya all, no I've been lost, just here
19:13:53 <sebsebseb> http://bn.parinux.org/p/mageia2years
19:13:54 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ]
19:13:57 <MrsB> scroll up a little way and you'll see
19:14:27 <MrsB> I'm guessing you're tony from Australia?
19:14:30 <tonyb> done
19:14:31 <MichaelGi> (Just an anecdote, my nephew is 2 today as well)
19:15:02 <tonyb> Yes, from Brisbane, Australia, but currently in southern France
19:15:22 <MrsB> Welcome to the team tonyb I'm glad you could make it to the meeting :)
19:15:54 <tonyb> watching to pick up the thread of where you are
19:16:17 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins is usually online when EU is in bed so will be able to help you out when you're back the other side of the world
19:16:47 <tonyb> I'd like to get a feel for what you discuss at these mtgs
19:17:17 <MrsB> Well on 18th September Mageia officially turns 2
19:17:27 <led43_Mag1> tonyb: feel free to jump in and ask a question if you don't understand
19:17:38 <tonyb> OK
19:17:44 <MrsB> It was that day the announcement was made 2 years ago of the fork
19:18:10 <MrsB> There is a blog post being planned and I think somebody somewhere said something about a day off, might be wrong about that bit though
19:18:25 <sebsebseb> MrsB: nope you have to do QA even when you go on holiday heh heh :)
19:18:42 <MrsB> #info On 18th September Mageia turns 2 years old!
19:19:20 <MrsB> if you'd like to contribute to the blog post sebsebseb can help you out
19:19:57 <MrsB> Anybody anything to add on this topic?
19:20:08 <swecarp> i will do a thing about the bday on my blogg
19:20:17 <sebsebseb> swecarp: we need help with the offical blog post
19:20:20 <sebsebseb> swecarp: http://bn.parinux.org/p/mageia2years
19:20:22 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ]
19:20:22 <MrsB> thats great swecarp
19:20:52 <tonyb> Can I comment on M3alpha1 prob here, or best to save for bugzilla?
19:20:58 <MrsB> sebsebseb: how about usr accounts, get the view from the outside?
19:21:11 <MrsB> at the end tonyb yeah sure
19:21:23 <sebsebseb> MrsB: he can do his own blog posts of course as well, if that's what you mean?
19:21:49 <MrsB> no, i mean talk to our users and see what they have to say
19:22:11 <sebsebseb> maybe, but I think they want something quite short really
19:22:15 <sebsebseb> short, but good :)
19:22:24 <MrsB> ok, lets move on
19:22:30 <sebsebseb> yep
19:22:32 * MrsB looks what was next
19:22:34 <DavidWHodgins> Duckduckgo
19:22:42 <MrsB> chair DavidWHodgins
19:22:46 <led43_Mag1> sebsebseb: like put out a call for users to do add to the blog on #mageia and #mageia-soscial
19:22:50 <MrsB> chairs DavidWHodgins
19:22:56 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:22:56 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
19:22:59 <MrsB> there we go
19:23:00 <sebsebseb> led43_Mag1: yeah could try that :)
19:23:19 <MrsB> #topic DuckDuckGo
19:23:38 <MrsB> This is some news..
19:23:54 <MrsB> The board were approached by the search engine duckduckgo
19:24:29 <MrsB> they're offering us a revenue share if we include their search engine in our browsers.
19:24:47 <Edux_099> how much?
19:24:59 <MrsB> We could either offer it as the default search engine fo a large share or an option for a smaller share
19:25:04 * led43_Mag1 been folowing the discusion on the ML
19:25:15 <MrsB> I think it is 25% for being an option
19:25:36 <Edux_099> 25% of what?
19:25:39 <MrsB> It was discussed at the council meeting this monday and nobody objected to the inclusion as an option
19:26:01 <MrsB> It works like an affiliate scheme I believe
19:26:26 <ennael> hi there
19:26:30 <swecarp> if its an option its ok we stiil can use what serch engin we like
19:26:41 <ennael> I can add some more details if you want
19:26:41 <MrsB> they make money from people using their search engine and then buying things, if it comes from a mageia user then mageina will get part of that revenue
19:26:46 <MrsB> yes please do ennael
19:26:55 <ennael> I just received documents from them
19:26:58 <MrsB> MichaelGi: ennael is our project leader
19:27:07 <ennael> so we have to add DDG in our main browsers
19:27:10 <ennael> as an option
19:27:12 <MichaelGi> MrsB: Ok :) Hi ennael
19:27:24 <ennael> it means updates for stable releases
19:27:25 <MrsB> and tonyb, sorry
19:27:28 <ennael> + cauldron
19:27:38 <led43_Mag1> as an option i don't mind, if its defualt i would like to let our usrs know we get a reward for having it as default
19:27:48 <ennael> then they make some revenues with it and give us back 25%
19:27:59 <ennael> led43_Mag1: we start as an option
19:28:12 <Edux_099> Interesting...
19:28:28 <MrsB> It won't be a secret we make some money from it and it's not something we want to hide
19:28:31 <sebsebseb> MrsB: you sur e the revenue share is an option?
19:28:41 <tonyb> never heard of them so wouldn't want to make them default without some good data about their searches
19:28:50 <ennael> all the revenue will be included in financial report
19:29:00 <DavidWHodgins> How would they know which users are using Mageia?  The distro is not usually in the broswer headers.
19:29:12 <ennael> tonyb: nearly all main linux distributions are including it now
19:29:14 <MichaelGi> I heard some friends who use DDG and it looks good (and good alternative to Google)
19:29:18 <MrsB> I wondered that, I presume they will have a special landing page
19:29:36 <tonyb> like the revenue!
19:29:55 <led43_Mag1> or a cookie
19:30:04 <sebsebseb> tonyb: distors used to be in  the Firefox user agent, but then MOzilla removed that, but Ubuntu added it back in for example
19:30:22 <MrsB> they're known for respecting user privacy. There is more info on their website though if you're interested
19:30:33 <sebsebseb> as for Duck Duck Go, it's more privacy respecting and such, that's why people generally like it that know about it
19:31:03 <sebsebseb> to be honest I have read some bad stuff about the results before, but those are old articles as well, so probably fine now really :)
19:31:04 <MichaelGi> yes but if they are able to know if we use mageia or not...
19:31:15 <tonyb> If nearly all linux distrib's are doing it, don't see what that 25% means - how may quarters in a pie?
19:31:59 <ennael> if we add them as default we get 50%
19:32:05 <tonyb> s/may/many
19:32:06 <MrsB> #info After discussion DuckDuckGo will be included in the list of search engines, Mageia will get some financial reward from including it, when it is used. More info about them on their website.
19:32:52 <MrsB> http://duckduckgo.com
19:32:53 <[mbot> [ DuckDuckGo ]
19:32:56 <sebsebseb> ennael: I think its best to add it by default really actually, also I read a forum thread or something of theirs, about projects that provided support etc
19:33:22 <ennael> sebsebseb: please... discussion happened during council meeting
19:33:24 <ennael> it's done now
19:33:31 <MrsB> yep
19:33:33 <sebsebseb> that was after council meeting, but yeah ok :)
19:33:48 <MrsB> anybody have anything to ask about this or any comments?
19:34:13 * led43_Mag1 not here
19:34:23 <DavidWHodgins> Not right now.
19:34:34 <MichaelGi> No
19:34:38 <sebsebseb> have it in Magiea, and get the revenue share and yep :)
19:34:39 <alfred__> no,
19:34:57 <tonyb> no
19:35:05 <sebsebseb> nope
19:35:10 <sebsebseb> next topic :)
19:35:15 <MrsB> let's move on again then, Dave do you want to do the honours?
19:35:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Alpha 2 .. It's not far away..
19:36:04 <MrsB> :)
19:36:28 <MrsB> Just as we've begun to recover from the alpha1 testing..
19:36:30 <led43_Mag1> when?
19:36:47 <MrsB> #info Alpha 2 is due for release on October 4th
19:36:56 <MrsB> (i think)
19:37:21 <MrsB> We usually begin our testing a week or 10 days before it is due for release
19:37:30 <swecarp> hove is it going with the live session
19:37:56 <MrsB> There are problems with the livecd's at the moment due the the filesystem used to build them not being supported any more
19:38:21 <MrsB> We don't know yet is the short answer
19:38:33 <swecarp> ok
19:38:43 <MrsB> tmb is looking in to other solutions for it and will let us know which is best as soon as he does
19:39:14 <DavidWHodgins> Remember to rename the existing iso images on disk, before rsyncing the new ones.  More details later.
19:39:15 <MrsB> I think there was a blog posting about it
19:39:23 <MrsB> yes indede
19:39:36 <MrsB> Idid you keep your alpha1 isos?
19:39:40 <MrsB> -l
19:39:50 <tonyb> yes
19:40:00 <MrsB> sorry about my typing tonight, it's been a day for typos
19:40:05 <DavidWHodgins> Lol
19:40:31 <alfred__> mind is faster as fingers, i know :)
19:40:46 <MrsB> #info Anybody who hasn't yet put their name down for ISO testing please do so here
19:40:52 <MrsB> if only that were true alfred__
19:40:58 * swecarp thinks MrsB  have bean drinking to mutch
19:41:09 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
19:41:17 <tonyb> Has anyone noticed alpha1 won't boot with lilo?
19:41:31 <led43_Mag1> still hung over from birthday parting
19:41:33 * MrsB didn't
19:41:46 <Edux_099> lol
19:41:58 <led43_Mag1> tonyb: lilo?
19:42:02 <MrsB> Create a bug if there is not one already tonyb
19:42:24 <tonyb> Did before, rolled into another and supposedly fixed
19:42:38 <MrsB> We can check soon enough then :)
19:42:47 <DavidWHodgins> That's something to watch for with alpha 2 then.
19:42:53 <MrsB> It's good to find specific things we need to test
19:42:58 <led43_Mag1> is lilo still suported?
19:43:22 <tonyb> might not be with UEFI, but...
19:43:24 <MrsB> ennael: still here?
19:43:24 <DavidWHodgins> It's still an option in drakxtools
19:43:38 * led43_Mag1 did not know
19:43:52 <MrsB> tmb here?
19:43:56 <tmb> yep
19:44:00 <MrsB> hi
19:44:17 <MrsB> Is lilo still being supported in mga3?
19:44:19 <ennael> MrsB: yep
19:44:42 <MrsB> yep it is or yep you're still here?
19:44:54 <ennael> still here :)
19:45:01 <MrsB> ahh :)
19:45:11 <tmb> MrsB: well, technically it should still work on non-efi systems
19:45:30 <led43_Mag1> ok
19:45:39 <MrsB> so we should probably test it then next time around
19:45:59 <MrsB> thankyou both
19:46:20 <MrsB> anybody any questions or comments about this?
19:46:23 <swecarp> about the alpha anny one having trubbel instaling in virtualbox
19:46:26 * led43_Mag1 agrees, maybe put together a proceedure, some poeple may never have used lilo
19:46:39 <MrsB> including me led43_Mag1
19:46:55 <MrsB> swecarp: not here
19:47:02 <sebsebseb> I think lilo is hardly used anymore, but if Mageia still wants to support it, well ok :)
19:47:04 <MrsB> what kind of problem?
19:47:11 <led43_Mag1> my first linux distro boot loader was lilo
19:47:42 <alfred__> didn't use lilo for years
19:47:43 <swecarp> MrsB:  u remember the bug u did poste fore me
19:47:48 <MrsB> #info led43_Mag1 volunteered to test lilo ;)
19:47:54 <sebsebseb> I think Grub 2 is more important to support than lilo though,  which reminds me, it is coming to Mageia 3 right for sure?
19:48:01 <tonyb> lilo very easy to add other partitions etc - maybe just lazy to learn grub
19:48:09 * led43_Mag1 opps i should have kept quite ;)
19:48:26 <MrsB> I remember yes, that was DavidWHodgins favourite bug
19:48:35 <led43_Mag1> can some one post the bug number
19:48:41 <MrsB> bug 44
19:48:43 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, release_blocker, erwanaliasr1, NEW, slow OS under VirtualBox on CPU w/o HW support for virt, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), mageia-gfxboot-theme / drakx-installer-images
19:48:48 <led43_Mag1> ta
19:49:14 <DavidWHodgins> One of my very first bug reports. :-)
19:49:22 <MrsB> one of *the* very fist
19:49:59 <DavidWHodgins> Recent testing shows it affects qemu too.
19:50:15 <MrsB> we can ping it again if it's the same in alpha2, probably will be though, not much has changed yet
19:50:29 <led43_Mag1> sebsebseb: if its an option we offer it has to be tested
19:50:43 <MrsB> so, anything else on this topic before we move on?
19:50:50 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
19:50:55 <tonyb> no
19:50:56 <sebsebseb> led43_Mag1: last time I looked at the proposals for Magei 3, it was unclear if I rmemeber correctly, if Grub 2 would be default or not
19:51:03 <sebsebseb> apparnatly there's a package in Cauldron for it as well
19:51:19 <sebsebseb> MrsB: nope can move on with the topic I think
19:51:22 <MrsB> Keep an eye on qa-discuss for news of the alpha and please do add your name to the list on the wiki too
19:51:22 <led43_Mag1> not here move on
19:51:45 <MrsB> do your stuff then Dave
19:51:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Secteam
19:51:50 <MrsB> :D
19:51:59 <MrsB> thankyou
19:52:07 <sebsebseb> the oden topic
19:52:32 <MrsB> You maybe remember from last week it was mentioned that  oden would begin contributing as a security team member
19:52:41 <MrsB> oden is a paid mandriva developer
19:53:03 <MrsB> We have not really until now had a proper security team
19:53:19 <MrsB> it has been mostly Luigi12 doing all the updates and us testing them
19:53:56 <MrsB> there was a meeting today at lunchtime where we discussed some of the larger details
19:54:32 <MrsB> oden will bring with him access to embargo'd security lists
19:55:08 <Edux_099> sec team = hacker team or testing security updates?
19:55:23 <MrsB> those are where security people discuss newly discovered zero day vulnerabilities and allow vendors to create updates before the details are made public
19:55:24 <Luigi12_work> building security updates
19:56:09 <MrsB> Until this point we have mostly been reacting to security updates made elsewhere by people already with this access
19:56:12 <sebsebseb> MrsB: oh is that what embargo is? a upstream thing?
19:56:15 * led43_Mag1 thinks this is good for Mag
19:56:39 <MrsB> this step will enable us to be ahead of the game and ready with an update on or shortly after the vulnerability is made public
19:57:07 <sebsebseb> so embargo is a cross distro thing for security updates?
19:57:32 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: Yes, with a very small list of people who have access.
19:57:33 <MrsB> for him to do so there are obviously restrictions n where he/they can store information about unreleased security problems
19:57:46 <led43_Mag1> sebsebseb: its a list of bugs that cause serious security risks, so only a few trusted people get to know about them untill there is a fix
19:58:14 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: I thought it was a Mageia thing or whatever I was thinking on Monday, but ok yeah that makes sense, cross distro thing,  and I was told only some people had access
19:58:25 <DavidWHodgins> Will there be a new, invitation only mailing list?
19:58:26 <MrsB> we will need to add some private infrastructure where embargoed security bugs can be discussed, fixed, updates built and tested
19:58:35 <sebsebseb> led43_Mag1: yep indeed
19:58:43 <sebsebseb> only a few trusted people
19:58:46 <MrsB> everything about that will be invitation only and encrypted out of the public eye
19:59:17 <led43_Mag1> if this is done properly it will reflect well on Mageia
19:59:43 <MrsB> we're not sure yet how we will go about testing the updates, whether a few of us will be security team members too to test this type of update or whether the sec team will do so themselves
19:59:43 <sebsebseb> if you mean since  Mageia will be contributing to embargo as well, well yeah :)
20:00:20 <tonyb> Be nice to see early Mag security updates, as mentioned on LWN  etc
20:00:28 <MrsB> at the moment the discussions were quite high level about locked down servers and sevices
20:00:43 <MrsB> we'll discuss the finer details later on
20:00:59 <MrsB> I'll keep you all informed and we will be part of the discussions
20:01:01 <Stormi> o/
20:01:06 <MrsB> ihya Stormi
20:01:10 <MrsB> hiya*
20:01:33 <led43_Mag1> i think it would be better for us to use our own rather than the one oden offered
20:01:40 <MrsB> any questions or comments on this so far?
20:01:47 <led43_Mag1> server(s)
20:01:53 <tonyb> no, out of my league
20:01:59 <MrsB> i agree led43_Mag1 and i think most did
20:02:17 <MrsB> we'll soon change that tonyb :)
20:02:28 <tonyb> grin
20:02:41 <MrsB> anybody anything they'd like to say about this?
20:02:52 <DavidWHodgins> Not for now.
20:03:00 <sebsebseb> nope
20:03:13 <led43_Mag1> if we impliment this corectly it will show Mageia is a profesional distro, not just a good hobiest distro
20:03:14 <Edux_099> I have some books about hacking and shellcode
20:03:15 <MichaelGi> No
20:03:16 <alfred__> no, same as tyny said :)
20:03:22 <sebsebseb> led43_Mag1: yep indeed :)
20:03:28 <alfred__> *tony
20:03:47 <MrsB> ok so disco Dave, do your stuff..
20:03:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:03:56 <MrsB> thanks :)
20:04:01 <Edux_099> I will start reading them as soon as I finish learning c, c++, linux and Qt...
20:04:04 <Luigi12_work> oh so I'm the disco duck :o)
20:04:09 <MrsB> Over to you Luigi12_work
20:04:14 <MrsB> lol
20:04:20 * led43_Mag1 lowers the glitter ball
20:04:33 <Luigi12_work> so there's nothing in QA right now it seems because QA is rocking and got everything pushed
20:04:42 <MrsB> \o/
20:04:44 <Luigi12_work> but as you know, I'll change that shortly, as always
20:04:52 <Luigi12_work> :o)
20:04:56 <MrsB> I saw some things being built yes
20:05:05 <DavidWHodgins> stunnel, I'm trying to figure out why it no longer supports rle compression, but only in Mageia 1.
20:05:08 <Luigi12_work> bind and dhcp are built and ready to push to QA once the advisories are done (didn't we just do those?  ugh)
20:05:20 <DavidWHodgins> Lol
20:05:37 <Luigi12_work> luckily stunnel isn't a security update, so it's not high priority to release
20:05:54 <Luigi12_work> we could potentially just release the update for mga2 in fact too, that's an option
20:06:09 <MrsB> MichaelGi: tonyb and anybody else who wasn't aware, Luigi12_work will probably be Security Team leader, he currently builds most of the security updates we get through for us to test, you'll see alot of him, he is David Walser on bugzilla
20:06:22 <tonyb> thanks
20:06:35 <Luigi12_work> I'll also have some other security updates pending *if package maintainers will help and answer my questions*
20:06:44 <MichaelGi> Ok thanks MrsB
20:06:44 <Luigi12_work> so probably just bind and dhcp then, oh well...
20:07:10 <Luigi12_work> anyway, thanks for all the hard work
20:07:13 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me?
20:07:19 <sebsebseb> thanks for the security updates :)
20:07:30 <DavidWHodgins> No questions here.
20:07:32 <MrsB> #info There is nothing in QA at the moment \o/ but Luigi12 plans to change that very soon /o\
20:08:01 <MrsB> #info bind and dhcp are on their way
20:08:10 <MrsB> did I miss anything?
20:08:14 <MichaelGi> Luigi12_work: Not right now, just good luck :)
20:08:52 <Luigi12_work> guess that's all.  It looks like it's still gonna be mainly me doing security updates for the near future.
20:09:05 <MrsB> thanks Luigi12_work for doing that, as always :)
20:09:12 <Luigi12_work> oden's doing some work in Cauldron, but I don't know that Mandriva is really gonna send help our way for mageia 1 and 2 when they don't have any released products based on them
20:09:30 <sebsebseb> when is Mageia 1 running out of support December?
20:09:45 <Luigi12_work> it'll most likely be extended beyond that
20:09:54 <rindolf> sebsebseb: I think after Mageia 3 is released.
20:09:57 <tonyb> his help relates to their server plans (based on Mag?)
20:10:00 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: When Mageia 3 is released, is my understanding.
20:10:04 <Luigi12_work> we shouldn't really drop support until Mageia 3 is out, plus hopefully a grace period
20:10:16 <sebsebseb> ok nice if getting extended, but more work for QA with more than 18 months of support for Mageia 1
20:10:26 <Luigi12_work> tonyb: yes they are working on a new server product based on mageia
20:10:28 <Luigi12_work> neoclust is also working on it
20:10:31 <MrsB> tonyb: more or less yes. We will become upstream for mdv server so he will be contributing here rather than there
20:10:59 <Luigi12_work> well "18 months" really means 2 release cycles, which are supposed to be 9 months
20:11:00 <sebsebseb> well then Magiea 1 becomes the LTS or kind of :d
20:11:09 <Luigi12_work> but mageia 2's cycle was already longer than 9 months because it got delayed
20:11:21 <MrsB> that was our fault :)
20:11:22 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: yep indeed there were quite a few delays in both release cycles  1 and 2
20:11:44 <Luigi12_work> lol, nobody's fault, we're still learning how to handle a release process with a community distro
20:11:59 <MrsB> We kept finding bugs
20:12:00 <Luigi12_work> going into it I didn't see a need for the freeze to be that long, but we needed all of it and then some, since we're working as volunteers and time goes fast
20:12:03 <tonyb> impressively so I think
20:12:27 <MrsB> we've done a great job so far between us, long may it continue!
20:12:31 <Luigi12_work> hopefully Mageia 3 will be a real LTS actually, but that's a discussion for another day
20:12:40 <MrsB> shall we move on then?
20:12:42 <tmb> and it's better to change release date in order to provide a better / higher quality release..
20:12:48 <Luigi12_work> absolutely
20:13:08 <led43_Mag1> the way things are growing M3 could be a test run for LTS
20:13:12 <Luigi12_work> we don't have boxes to manufacture and OEMs waiting on us and revenues to generate, no reason to rush :o)
20:13:18 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: yeah I guess
20:13:29 <led43_Mag1> 41 nicks in the channel today
20:13:39 <sebsebseb> including a bot Sophie
20:13:44 <sebsebseb> and another one Inigo_Montoya
20:13:55 <Luigi12_work> hmm, next meeting we should assign some work to everyone in the channel...
20:13:57 <MrsB> What's next Dave?
20:14:00 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:14:14 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:14:29 <sebsebseb> and three names for luigi in here :d  and nope nothing else
20:14:33 <rindolf> MrsB: not that I can think of.
20:14:34 <tonyb> not from me.  Thanks for having  newbie on side
20:14:47 <Luigi12_work> sebsebseb: guess that means I get 3 times as much work
20:14:48 <MrsB> welcome to the team tonyb, you too MichaelGi
20:15:11 <MrsB> if there is nothing else lets close..
20:15:12 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:15:30 <sebsebseb> Luigi12_work: well your doing most of the seucrity stuff at the moment it seems
20:15:30 <MrsB> Thankyou all for coming, great to see new faces again :)
20:15:36 <MrsB> Same time next week
20:15:44 <MrsB> and thanks to disco dave ;)
20:15:47 <rindolf> Thanks all.
20:15:50 <MrsB> #endmeeting