19:07:02 <MrsB> #startmeeting
19:07:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Aug 30 19:07:02 2012 UTC.  The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:07:25 <MrsB> Here we are again :) Hi everyone
19:07:35 <Stormi> hi
19:07:46 <DavidWHodgins> Hi
19:07:48 <Kernewes> hi
19:07:53 <alfred_> hi
19:07:56 <Latte> hi
19:08:08 <MrsB> lets jump straight into our first topic..
19:08:08 <harms_> hi
19:08:16 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
19:08:30 <MrsB> soooo who's new?
19:08:40 <Latte> I'm new ;)
19:08:47 <MrsB> Latte this is your first isn't it
19:08:49 <Latte> my name is Marc - hi
19:08:49 <Kernewes> hi Latte
19:08:54 <MrsB> welcome to the team :)
19:09:04 <Latte> thanks
19:09:14 <MrsB> How are you finding it so far?
19:09:19 <alfred_> Latte: nice to see you in QA team; btw /me is known as alf in forums
19:09:47 <Latte> Its a warm welcome
19:09:51 <MrsB> yeah, please introduce yourself briefly guys. I'm claire, from the Uk
19:10:33 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave from London, Ontario, Canada.
19:10:41 <Kernewes> I'm Carolyn from Cornwall, UK
19:10:55 <Latte> I'm from Cologne/germany
19:11:00 <alfred_> Alfred(alf) from Germany
19:11:01 <harms_> Juergen from Geneva and middle-Autria
19:12:09 <MrsB> Who else do we have? Stormi was here a minute ago
19:12:27 <MrsB> #chair Stormi
19:12:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB Stormi
19:12:33 <Stormi> Samuel, Lyon, France
19:12:53 <MrsB> have you been to a meeting like this before Latte?
19:13:03 <Latte> no
19:13:21 <MrsB> well, it's alot the same as a normal meeting you'd have in an office.
19:13:37 <MrsB> it is logged and has minutes (notes)
19:13:37 <Kernewes> it's more civilised than our office meetings
19:13:46 <MrsB> the logs will be available online afterwards
19:14:12 <Latte> ok
19:14:28 <MrsB> there are some commands we use like the #chair one but there is one that anybody can use called #info which adds a minute (note) in the logs
19:14:41 <MrsB> you use it like this..
19:14:48 <MrsB> #info this is how info works
19:14:48 <EzKurdistanIm> Hi I am Tolhildan from Sweden
19:14:59 <EzKurdistanIm> glad to see you Latte among us.
19:15:32 <MrsB> so let's move on and see if Luigi12_work is around
19:15:52 <MrsB> i don't think he is yet
19:15:59 <Luigi12_work> boo
19:16:05 * Kernewes jumps
19:16:09 <MrsB> ahh ok, ready for the roundup?
19:16:12 * Luigi12_work is grading final exams
19:16:13 <Luigi12_work> yes
19:16:22 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:16:26 <MrsB> over to you :)
19:16:52 <Luigi12_work> basically we just have ioquake (mga1) and torque (mga2) which are old CVEs, so the sooner we can have those pushed, the better
19:17:07 <Luigi12_work> the QA team has cleared out the rest of the security updates
19:17:10 <Luigi12_work> :o)
19:17:15 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me?
19:17:42 <MrsB> #info we only really have ioquake on mga1 and torque on mga2. We've cleared out all the rest \o/
19:17:43 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.  I'll be taking a look at torque as soon as the meeting is over.
19:17:56 <Kernewes> well done, all of you.
19:18:03 <Luigi12_work> indeed
19:18:23 <MrsB> For Latte's benefit, Luigi12_work is David Walser, you'll see alot of him on bugzilla, he builds most of our security updates
19:18:45 <Latte> thx
19:19:04 <MrsB> so an easy roundup this week, thanks Luigi12_work
19:19:16 <Luigi12_work> yep, thanks everyone.  Back to grading :o(
19:19:32 <MrsB> enjoy!
19:19:51 <MrsB> #topic ISO Testing
19:19:51 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB:  kde 4.8.5 has 2317 listed in the depends on, but I couldn't find anything needing linking with depcheck.
19:20:50 <MrsB> As you are all probably aware, we now have the pre-release ISOs for mageia 3 alpha 1
19:21:10 <MrsB> There are a few immediate problems
19:21:23 <MrsB> #info livecd's are not ready yet
19:22:00 * tmb is currently building new set of livecds
19:22:04 <MrsB> there was also a nasty bug which means usb peripherals are not recognised, which makes it impossible to install if you have usb keyboard etc
19:22:29 <MrsB> #info also usb bug which means you can't use usb keyboard
19:22:46 <MrsB> #info tmb is currently rebuilding the livecd's
19:23:09 <tmb> the usb bug should now be fixed with all the drakx-* rpms tv pushed
19:23:29 <MrsB> ennael was going to rebuild the dvd's too today, she usually sends an email to qa-discuss when they are ready.
19:23:37 <MrsB> yes i believe it was tmb
19:24:25 <MrsB> #info dvd's will be rebuilt too today (probably) so you will need to sync again. Anne will email qa-discuss to let us know when they are ready.
19:24:30 <MrsB> hi Maikelon
19:24:43 <Maikelon> Hi!
19:24:56 <MrsB> Maikelon have you met Latte?
19:25:12 <Maikelon> Not yet
19:25:22 <Latte> hi Maikelon
19:25:36 <Maikelon> Hello Latte
19:26:08 * EzKurdistanIm feels a shame, I have not registered myself to mailing groups. :(
19:26:09 <MrsB> so Maikelon started with us last week. Latte started with us this week. introduce yourselves briefly so we all know who we're talking to..
19:26:50 <Latte> my Name is Marc and I'm from Cologne/Germany
19:26:57 <EzKurdistanIm> stupid question how much of mga2 errate is present in mga3?
19:27:07 <Maikelon> My name is Mikel, I'm 26 and am from Spain.
19:27:18 <EzKurdistanIm> welcome both of you.
19:27:34 <MrsB> actually Stormi had the idea after mga2 was released to use the errata as a basis for testing mga3
19:27:35 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, Welcome to the qa team!
19:27:48 <Maikelon> Thank you EzKurdistanIm  DavidWHodgins
19:28:12 <Kernewes> hello Maikelon
19:28:19 <EzKurdistanIm> MrsB: how did it went?
19:28:34 <MrsB> it hasn't yet, we mostly started testing today
19:28:48 <Maikelon> Hello  Kernewes
19:28:49 <MrsB> or yesterday
19:28:55 <harms_> Mga2 errata: great to check - but I think alpha1 is too early
19:29:10 <MrsB> so far it seems very stable. Incredible for the first alpha.
19:29:32 <MrsB> yes, some of it will be harms_
19:29:43 <Maikelon> So we should sync again the ISOs when they told us via ML
19:29:48 <MrsB> it's still a good idea to refer to it as we go along
19:29:55 <Maikelon> Have I missed something else important?
19:29:56 <MrsB> thats right yes
19:30:25 <ennael> tmb: ping ?
19:30:29 <Kernewes> MrsB: can you remind me, any anyone else who might need to know
19:30:33 <MrsB> livecd's are being rebuilt now and dvd's will be rebuilt today too most likely so look out for emails on qa-discuss
19:30:43 <Kernewes> MrsB: how to use rsync to get a list so you can just download some ISOs
19:30:58 <MrsB> yes, use --list-only instead of -avHP
19:31:03 <Kernewes> thank you
19:31:44 <MrsB> so how are we getting on? anybody having problems so far? how is ethercalc working?
19:32:33 <harms_> Ethercalc is somewhat painful for modifying existing text (eg ad a bugzilla number)
19:32:33 <DavidWHodgins> I've been concentrating on security bugs most of yesterday and so far today.
19:32:41 <Kernewes> harms_: I agree with that
19:32:50 <harms_> the problem is that you do not knkow where the cursor is
19:33:02 <Kernewes> it looks like an underscore
19:33:09 <MrsB> personally I think ethercalc may be a bit too formal at this stage of testing
19:33:25 <Kernewes> MrsB: you have a point
19:34:29 <MrsB> it's up to us to decide the best way forward. Shall we stay with it for now and persevere or should we move to the pad (etherpad) again for now?
19:34:45 <DavidWHodgins> When is version freeze?  That's when things usually get really hectic.
19:34:47 <Kernewes> I suppose we could use this phase to get used to ethercalc
19:34:53 <Kernewes> but have the pad as well
19:35:06 <harms_> stay - just dare to say good evening
19:35:32 <MrsB> how do you feel about it dave?
19:36:09 <DavidWHodgins> I find ethercalc to be a bit of a pain.  Changes can be slow to reload, etc.
19:36:36 <MrsB> shall we have a quick vote then..
19:36:50 <DavidWHodgins> I prefer to just use bugzilla, and a note to the discuss list.
19:37:08 <alfred_> it' a little bit formalistic if i wold only post acomment
19:37:27 <Kernewes> it's only designed for short comments really
19:37:51 <harms_> bugzilla + ml is  OK with me - but we need some kind of overview
19:38:01 <leuhmanu> at this stage, I think minor bugs is to painfull, or you really keep and updates your own bugs
19:38:05 <DavidWHodgins> It's useful when we get near to release, to ensure all iso images have been tested.
19:38:17 <Kernewes> perhaps ethercalc will be better for the later stages to confirm OK or not
19:38:22 <Kernewes> rather than lengthy explanations of bugs
19:38:40 <MrsB> so lets vote for either calc or pad then please..
19:38:53 <Kernewes> permanently or temporarily?
19:39:12 <MrsB> either, I personally think the calc will be better used later in the process.
19:39:13 <DavidWHodgins> For now, I think the pad is better.
19:39:23 <Kernewes> so do I
19:39:25 <MrsB> my vote is pad
19:39:31 <alfred_> aggreed
19:39:41 <harms_> agree: pad now, calc when betas start
19:40:08 <ennael> hi back
19:40:18 <ennael> tv submitted another fix for stage2
19:40:28 <ennael> so we are starting build just now
19:40:31 <MrsB> #info we had a quick vote and all seem to agree that it would be better to use the pad again in these early stage, maybe go back to the calc in beta's or RC.
19:40:39 <MrsB> hi ennael
19:40:41 <ennael> oups meeting , sorry
19:41:05 <MrsB> Latte: ennael is our project leader and a packaging team leader
19:41:33 <MrsB> #info dvd's are building now
19:41:40 <ennael> and sorry again :)
19:41:42 <Latte> yes I already heard her name ;)
19:41:46 <DavidWHodgins> Any eta on the build time?
19:41:50 <MrsB> would you email qa-d when they're ready please ennael
19:42:11 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: DVDs should be ready in 1h30 the latest
19:42:17 <ennael> yep will do
19:42:21 <MrsB> thanks :)
19:43:20 <MrsB> ennael: we've also agreed to go back to the pad for now so could you do that again when they're done too please
19:44:16 <ennael> yep will do it tonight
19:44:31 <MrsB> Latte: if you would like to help with pre-release testing of the ISOs too please add your details here https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
19:45:09 <Latte> OK
19:45:22 <MrsB> i'll transfer any current bug reports to the pad tomorrow
19:45:50 <MrsB> sooo anybody have any questions on this topic?
19:46:16 <DavidWHodgins> What's the link to the pad again?
19:46:33 <MrsB> Anne will probably put it in the email.
19:46:45 <DavidWHodgins> Ok.
19:46:47 <MrsB> etherpad wasn't it?
19:46:51 <Kernewes> doesn't it appear at the top of this channel?
19:47:03 <MrsB> no, we can add it though
19:47:34 <MrsB> is everybody ok with all this so far?
19:47:49 <DavidWHodgins> Yep.
19:47:50 <alfred_> yes
19:47:54 <Maikelon> Ok for now :)
19:47:59 <harms_> fine
19:48:10 <Latte> yes
19:48:21 <MrsB> as always, if there is anything whatsoever you are not sure about or need some guidance with then please don't hesitate to ask..
19:48:36 <Latte> I will for sure ;)
19:48:45 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:48:54 <MrsB> quick meeting tonight \o/
19:49:02 <MrsB> is there anythign else?
19:49:16 <alfred_> not here
19:49:22 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing here.
19:49:30 <Kernewes> not here either
19:49:49 <Kernewes> you can't finish now, I've just made another cup of tea
19:50:16 <MrsB> great, so thankyou all for coming. Welcome again to our new members and same time next week!
19:50:24 <MrsB> #endmeeting