19:05:28 <MrsB> #startmeeting
19:05:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jul 12 19:05:28 2012 UTC.  The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:05:41 <MrsB> so morning all, thanks for coming
19:05:55 <MrsB> who is here today? Say hi!
19:06:12 <DavidWHodgins> Hi
19:06:29 * Kernewes hastily picks up keyboard from the floor
19:06:31 <Kernewes> hi
19:06:44 <ennael> (not very far)
19:06:54 <MrsB> and harms_
19:06:59 <rindolf> Hi.
19:07:03 <MrsB> and rindolf
19:07:06 <MrsB> great :0
19:07:08 <MrsB> :)
19:07:15 <MrsB> can't type even
19:07:33 <MrsB> first topic then..
19:07:42 <MrsB> #topic Regrouping
19:08:21 <MrsB> So, as you all will have seen, "something" went on last week which might have left some a bit confused.
19:08:57 <MrsB> I stress that it is now resolved and I don't want to get deeply into it, so just basically to let you know what it was about and what was resolved
19:09:56 <MrsB> There was a growing disagreement between packaging team and ourselves over how we should be handling updates, particularly security updates.
19:10:17 <MrsB> Thats as much as I want to say about that
19:10:37 <MrsB> In the council meeting it was discussed and resolved
19:10:42 <MrsB> that was Monday
19:11:06 <MrsB> You should have seen the post about it on qa-discuss ML
19:11:29 <MrsB> in case you missed it you can find it here: https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/arc/qa-discuss/2012-07/msg00080.html
19:12:11 <MrsB> So after a bad week we need to try and regroup and get back to normal
19:12:57 <MrsB> that is really about as deep as I want to get into it but are there any questions before we move on?
19:13:23 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
19:13:28 <MrsB> morning Stormi
19:13:30 <Stormi> hi, sorry for being late
19:13:42 <MrsB> you haven't missed much :)
19:14:05 <MrsB> ok, so let's leave it behind us and move on..
19:14:21 <Stormi> talking about last week?
19:14:29 <MrsB> yes briefly
19:14:35 <MrsB> #topic Blog Posts
19:15:27 <MrsB> Since release there has not been much to talk about on the blog
19:15:43 <MrsB> An effort is being made to bring it to life
19:16:13 <MrsB> If you have any suggestions for topics for the blog then please let somebody know :)
19:16:38 <MrsB> There is a page on the wiki with the current planning
19:16:40 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Blog_articles_planning
19:17:04 <MrsB> You can see that there is something weird going on there tomorrow
19:17:38 <MrsB> ennael: do you want for people to add their suggestions dorectly to that page?
19:17:44 <MrsB> -o+i
19:17:59 <ennael> well this list should be made of defined articles
19:18:03 <ennael> wait
19:19:28 <MrsB> So best to come raise them on the ML or here and we can pass them on maybe
19:19:30 <ennael> done
19:19:33 <MrsB> ok..
19:19:37 <ennael> have a look
19:19:42 <ennael> I've added a proposal item
19:20:03 <MrsB> ahh yes :)
19:20:13 <ennael> and moved some there
19:20:42 <MrsB> #info if you have any proposals for blog articles please add them to the proposals section here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Blog_articles_planning
19:21:04 <DavidWHodgins> Bookmarked.
19:21:12 <MrsB> any questions?
19:21:25 <DavidWHodgins> Nope.
19:22:07 <MrsB> moving on then :)
19:22:24 <MrsB> #topic Mageia 3 features
19:22:38 <MrsB> whizzing through them tonight
19:23:06 <MrsB> As you might have seen, there is now a final deadline for feature proposals for Mageia 3
19:23:39 <MrsB> #info the dealine for feature proposals is Friday @ 12UTC https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review
19:23:57 <MrsB> #info after that they will be discussed and a final list will be released.
19:24:19 <DavidWHodgins> Any decision yet on a non-free dvd iso?
19:24:48 <MrsB> If you have any there or there are any which particularly interest you which you can help with then now is the time to act :)
19:25:09 <MrsB> None yet, ISOs will be discussed separately I believe
19:25:41 <MrsB> Any questions or comments?
19:26:08 <DavidWHodgins> No.  Most of our work will happen after all features have been decided.
19:26:23 <DavidWHodgins> Such as planning for iso testing.
19:26:36 <MrsB> yeah. I know Derek was interested in one though
19:26:54 <Stormi> me too, the one I proposed, but there's not enough people to work on it
19:27:03 <MrsB> what was it Stormi?
19:27:37 <Stormi> taking backports into account in the updates applet, to propose "hey, you have this backport installed, a newer is available"
19:27:51 <Stormi> without updating your whole distro with backports
19:28:05 <Stormi> nothing critical, just nice to have one day
19:28:28 <MrsB> #info Stormi has a proposal for a backports updates applet thingamejig if anybody can help with coding
19:28:36 <MrsB> :)
19:28:54 <DavidWHodgins> I hate perl. :-)
19:29:18 <MrsB> so next topic..
19:29:32 <Stormi> steam summer sales
19:29:39 <Stormi> err no you meant another topic?
19:29:42 <MrsB> #topic ISO testing
19:29:44 <MrsB> :P
19:30:24 <MrsB> September is looming, it will be here before we know it and we need to be ready!
19:30:47 <DavidWHodgins> Depends a lot on how may iso images there are, as to whether we divide up the images to test, or have everyone try them all, at least once.
19:30:50 <MrsB> #info we need to plan for the first alpha release in September
19:31:10 <MrsB> It's more the way we handle the testing tho Dave
19:31:27 <MrsB> Does everybody remember our spreadsheets?
19:31:35 <MrsB> http://www.ethercalc.org/qa
19:31:44 <MrsB> It is still there, which is good
19:32:23 <MrsB> We need to get everything set up and ready to go so we can dive in and start testing as soon as the alpha lands
19:32:58 <MrsB> We need to be able to direct people somewhere so they can test thoroughly and feed back their findings too
19:33:26 <MrsB> We played around with the spreadsheets a few weeks ago and haven't looked at them since
19:33:54 <MrsB> If we are going to use them then we need to populate them so they are ready to be used
19:34:24 <MrsB> If there is some other 'thing' we can use for this then we need to start now and get it up and running
19:34:32 <DavidWHodgins> A lot of what goes in there depends on the iso planning.
19:34:39 <MrsB> yes it will
19:35:06 <MrsB> alot of it will be the same though, like for a livecd/dvd
19:35:51 <MrsB> we can polish it when we know, but we need to agree which tools we are going to use
19:35:55 <Fleck> how to delete vpn connection in mageia control center?
19:36:18 <MrsB> Fleck: can you wait until after the meeting please
19:36:34 <Fleck> sorr
19:37:15 <MrsB> #info if you have any suggestions for the ISO testing please make them known soon as we need to be ready and running
19:37:48 <MrsB> anybody anything to add?
19:38:46 <DavidWHodgins> Nope.
19:39:11 <MrsB> We'll need to stay active on this so I'll add it as a regular topic until we've sorted something out
19:39:29 <MrsB> Please everybody have a think :)
19:39:56 <MrsB> #topic Backports
19:40:15 <MrsB> So, last week we discussed our policies
19:40:30 <MrsB> we made a couple of action points
19:40:48 <MrsB> I have to confess that with everything else going on I haven't yet done it
19:40:58 <Stormi> yes, action points are nice to look at on your wall
19:41:03 * Stormi too
19:41:05 <MrsB> :D
19:41:13 <MrsB> we're good aren't we
19:41:24 <Stormi> I must confess I'm waiting for your wiki page to review and then I'll update mine :)
19:41:36 <Stormi> well, that was my initial plan
19:41:40 <MrsB> So let's come back to it next week and see how we've got on
19:41:44 <Stormi> yep
19:42:01 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:42:22 <Stormi> hmm, Luigi12 said he would probably not be available for this tonight
19:42:30 <MrsB> David said he couldn't attend tonight, something to do with food and beer I think ;)
19:42:43 <MrsB> or maybe work, not sure
19:42:47 <Stormi> something to do with short meetings \o/
19:43:13 <MrsB> #info David said he would email qa-discuss with a list of priorities instead
19:43:29 <MrsB> that only leaves....
19:43:35 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:43:44 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
19:43:47 <MrsB> is there anythign else?
19:43:57 <Kernewes> no
19:44:03 <Stormi> yes
19:44:04 <Stormi> :)
19:44:11 <Stormi> something I wrote to MrsB a few days ago
19:44:14 <Stormi> let me remember
19:44:17 <MrsB> hmmm
19:44:21 <Stormi> yes, that was about backports
19:44:36 <Stormi> I vote for allowing packagers to certify that they tested their backports on a given arch
19:44:38 * MrsB thinks
19:44:42 <Stormi> leaving only need for testing the other arc
19:44:44 <Stormi> arch
19:44:44 <MrsB> oh yes
19:44:55 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. Then we only test on one arch.
19:44:59 <Stormi> yes
19:44:59 <MrsB> #topic Backports
19:45:16 <DavidWHodgins> I've been doing that with some updates, when complicated to test.
19:45:27 <DavidWHodgins> Like pam_mount.
19:45:28 <Stormi> so that goes to MrsB's QA backports validation page, and to the backports policy I must update
19:45:29 <MrsB> #info Stormi proposes we allow packagers to certify that they tested their backports on a given arch
19:46:06 <MrsB> I don't have any objections to that for backports
19:46:09 <MrsB> anybody?
19:46:18 <DavidWHodgins> No objection here.
19:46:24 <Kernewes> no
19:46:31 <MrsB> harms_ ?
19:46:35 <MrsB> rindolf?
19:46:42 <rindolf> MrsB: nothing.
19:46:44 <harms_> mo
19:47:17 <rindolf> MrsB: well, I don't have any objections to that either.
19:47:37 <MrsB> #info No objections so we should ad it to our policy and validation wiki page
19:47:57 <MrsB> #topic Anything else else?
19:48:10 <DavidWHodgins> Lol
19:48:13 <Ezim> hi guys... hi channel
19:48:18 <MrsB> anything else, else?
19:48:27 <MrsB> morning Ezim
19:48:36 <MrsB> if not we'll finish
19:48:40 <Stormi> yes
19:48:45 <Ezim> MrsB: morning. did I miss anything?
19:48:50 <MrsB> yes finish or yes somethng else?
19:48:56 <Stormi> yes finish :)
19:48:59 <MrsB> lol
19:49:00 <Stormi> I'm quick at typing
19:49:00 <rindolf> yes finish.
19:49:07 <MrsB> thankyou all for coming :)
19:49:13 <MrsB> #endmeeting