20:16:32 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 20:16:32 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Feb 2 20:16:32 2021 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:16:32 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:16:38 <DavidWHodgins> #chair neoclust 20:16:38 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins neoclust 20:16:42 <neoclust> Lewis asked for this meeting ( this is a great idea ) but he is not here yet maybe he will join us later 20:17:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Steps to electing a new board 20:17:47 <DavidWHodgins> Now that we have a mageia association mailing list, we can use that for electing a new board 20:17:49 <neoclust> First we created the mageia-association-members ML 20:17:56 <neoclust> yes :) 20:18:09 <DavidWHodgins> Go ahead neoclust 20:18:37 <neoclust> this is based on the mga association LDAP Group 20:19:13 <DavidWHodgins> Glad to see none of the messages to it bounced 20:19:29 <neoclust> i am looking how many members on the ML 20:19:54 <neoclust> 48 people on the ML 20:20:10 <filip_> wow 20:20:28 <neoclust> some people are no more active as there founders etc 20:20:53 <MageiaTJ> Some of us are so new we squeak. 20:20:54 <DavidWHodgins> http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-association-members.html 20:20:55 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-association-members ] 20:21:34 <neoclust> I think that the first step is to see if we can add some new persons on this group 20:22:13 <neoclust> i ask papoteur to come 20:22:19 <neoclust> i saw he is on the group 20:24:29 <DavidWHodgins> https://www.mageia.org/en/about/constitution/ Article 6 explains the composition of the association 20:24:30 <[mbot> [ Mageia.Org constitution ] 20:25:28 <DavidWHodgins> We have no honorary, benefactor or donor members that I'm aware of 20:25:41 <DavidWHodgins> Just founding and active members 20:26:16 <neoclust> no we have donors but not with the required conditions to be part of the association. 20:26:52 <neoclust> jeeebz: are you member of the group ? 20:27:11 <jeeebz> (before looking where we go, can we first know where we are ? Who is the actual president for example, how can we make elections, and so on...) 20:27:18 <jeeebz> neoclust: which group ? 20:27:31 <neoclust> jeeebz: mga-association-members 20:27:33 <jeeebz> I never was intonized in Mageia. 20:28:01 <neoclust> jeeebz: i propose you to be part of this group. Don't panic you have no work to do :) 20:28:03 <jeeebz> No I'm not 20:28:27 <jeeebz> I accept :) 20:28:44 <neoclust> i wanted to invite Anne to the meeting but she was buzy i think she didn't answered on irc today 20:28:49 <neoclust> rtp: hello you 20:28:51 <DavidWHodgins> jeeebz, currently the association is made of current and prior council members (team leaders and deputies) 20:29:18 <DavidWHodgins> Plus founding members 20:29:45 <neoclust> on the association i don't know who do what 20:29:51 <neoclust> i know Anne is our president 20:30:01 <neoclust> ( we will never thank her enough :) ) 20:30:50 <DavidWHodgins> The council is elected by each team electing their leader/deputy. The board is elected by the association. The executing is selected by the board 20:31:23 * filip_ is grateful to all founders 20:31:37 <neoclust> yes :-) 20:31:43 <neoclust> rtp: you too :-) 20:32:38 <neoclust> blino: you too :-) 20:33:26 <DavidWHodgins> If I'm reading the constitution correctly, the only thing the association does is elect the board members 20:33:56 <neoclust> yes but first we can add people on the association 20:33:59 <DavidWHodgins> The council handles all day to day decisions. The board handles legal and financial issues. 20:34:32 <neoclust> "Active members are the people chosen by the administrative council, after proposition and sponsorship by another active member. They are people involved in the life of the association, either by their benevolent activity or by exercising a function in the association. They participate in the general assembly with deliberative vote and are eligible." 20:35:45 <neoclust> i propose vouf too ( not yet on the meeting ) 20:37:00 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not familiar with that nic. What role does he/she play? 20:37:19 <papoteur> the election by the association member has to be done in a general assembly. 20:37:44 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: vouf manage the French forum 20:37:58 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok 20:38:53 <DavidWHodgins> papoteur: That's election to the board. We are discussing adding people to the association. 20:39:42 <neoclust> papoteur: ah 20:40:21 <neoclust> papoteur: yes we are just speaking of adding people on the association as members, not in the Bureau 20:40:42 <DavidWHodgins> From Article 6 of the constitution ... Active members are the people chosen by the administrative council 20:40:43 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: OK, each team can propose to update the list 20:41:12 <neoclust> papoteur: this is not how i read it 20:41:28 <papoteur> neoclust: do you mean to review a list now? 20:41:39 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust: Semantics. The council is made up of team leaders 20:41:55 <neoclust> no i was just proposing vouf and jeeebz 20:42:10 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes but I am not speaking of the council 20:42:34 <neoclust> but "Article 6 - Composition of the association" 20:42:52 <neoclust> Next topic will be council :-) 20:43:51 <neoclust> papoteur: do you agree or do you think i misread article 6 ? 20:45:31 <papoteur> moment, I need to read it again 20:46:15 <neoclust> https://www.mageia.org/fr/about/constitution/ 20:46:16 <[mbot> [ Statuts de l’association Mageia.Org ] 20:46:18 <neoclust> in french :) 20:47:07 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust is proposing adding two members as Active members. 20:47:35 <neoclust> yes 20:47:58 <neoclust> vouf handle french forum and jeeebz too + active work on arm images. 20:48:21 <DavidWHodgins> http://people.mageia.org/u/vouf.html is already an association member 20:48:22 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: u/vouf ] 20:48:41 <papoteur> neoclust: yes, I'm fine with this article 20:48:54 <DavidWHodgins> So just http://people.mageia.org/u/jibz.html to be added 20:48:55 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: u/jibz ] 20:49:07 <neoclust> ah nice just jibz then 20:49:12 <neoclust> anyone against ? 20:49:21 * filip_ not 20:49:24 <papoteur> And I'm fine with adding jybz too. 20:49:25 <DavidWHodgins> I'm fine with it 20:49:39 <neoclust> filip_: "not" => not against ? 20:49:41 <neoclust> :) 20:49:42 <jeeebz> neoclust: shouldn't it be voted in assembly ? 20:49:52 <neoclust> jeeebz: no for this part 20:50:03 <jeeebz> Let me re-read the constitution 20:50:07 <DavidWHodgins> jeeebz: No. Active members of the association are selected by council 20:50:10 <filip_> neoclust: yeah. I support prominent contributors 20:50:21 <neoclust> filip_: ah nice :) 20:50:26 <papoteur> jeeebz: adding member is cooptation 20:51:06 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i let you speak with Inigo_Montoya i dont' know how to do :) 20:51:34 <jeeebz> https://gitweb.mageia.org/org/constitution/tree/mageia.org_statutes_en.md#n108 20:51:35 <[mbot> [ mageia.org_statutes_en.md - constitution - Constitution ] 20:51:45 <DavidWHodgins> #Action Add jeebz as association member 20:51:52 <DavidWHodgins> #action Add jeebz as association member 20:52:12 <neoclust> jeeebz: https://www.mageia.org/fr/about/constitution/ the webpage is simpler to read :) 20:52:13 <[mbot> [ Statuts de l’association Mageia.Org ] 20:52:14 <DavidWHodgins> Argh. Been too long since I used it. 20:53:10 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 20:53:12 <neoclust> :-) 20:53:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Adding association members 20:53:32 <jeeebz> ok, but " administrative council " must choose. 20:53:33 <DavidWHodgins> #action Add jeebz as association member 20:53:53 <DavidWHodgins> jeeebz: This is the council meeting 20:54:03 <jeeebz> Ah oh ?! 20:54:06 <jeeebz> Ok 20:54:11 <jeeebz> nic 20:54:12 <jeeebz> e 20:54:34 <jeeebz> And vouf ? 20:54:41 <neoclust> jeeebz: he is already in 20:54:45 <neoclust> jeeebz: so nothing to do 20:55:03 <neoclust> jeeebz: http://people.mageia.org/u/vouf.html 20:55:04 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: u/vouf ] 20:55:20 <DavidWHodgins> Any other members to consider for adding to the association? 20:55:29 <neoclust> nothing in my head 20:55:39 <jeeebz> Auroud85 ? 20:55:40 <papoteur> aurelien 20:55:42 <neoclust> but we can add some during the year 20:55:44 <neoclust> ah yes 20:55:47 <jeeebz> very activ 20:55:49 <neoclust> aurelien woulc be nice 20:55:51 <jeeebz> but also very new 20:56:02 <neoclust> and david 20:56:08 <jeeebz> neoclust: which one ? 20:56:21 <jeeebz> Geiger or Walser 20:56:37 <neoclust> Luigi is already in hope :-) 20:56:59 <neoclust> yes :) 20:57:08 <neoclust> David Geiger i was speaking of 20:57:14 <DavidWHodgins> So daviddavid nic 20:57:15 <Luigi12> yeah Geiger and Salguero should be in if not already 20:57:28 <neoclust> yes Nicolas Salguero is good too 20:57:32 <jeeebz> ns80 * 20:57:41 <neoclust> thanks for the proposal 20:58:02 <neoclust> i don't see it on the listing of the association members 20:58:07 <papoteur> cmoifp, from the wiki 20:58:07 <DavidWHodgins> One thing. For people not here, I think we should be sending them an invitation, not just auto adding them. 20:58:18 <jeeebz> But, can they be added even if they are not here ? I don't think so. We can accept now 20:58:49 <neoclust> can we do a listing then because a lot of names ( we don't have a limit this is good ) but i would not that we forget names 20:59:10 <neoclust> so proposal is: jeeebz daviddavid ns80 cmoifp 20:59:15 <jeeebz> vouf 20:59:21 <neoclust> jeeebz: NO 20:59:27 <jeeebz> ah ? 20:59:28 <neoclust> jeeebz: vous is already in the association 20:59:36 <neoclust> jeeebz: told 3 times already :) 20:59:42 <jeeebz> Ah ok sorry 21:00:01 <neoclust> so proposal is: jeeebz daviddavid ns80 cmoifp Auroud85 21:00:47 <neoclust> and as told if we forget names this is not a problem as we can add names during the whole year :) 21:01:02 <jeeebz> guygoye (Guillaume Royer) ? 21:01:10 <DavidWHodgins> I'm fine with all of those. I propose opening a bug report where each of them can confirm they would like to be added, and then assigning it to sysadmins to get them added. 21:01:36 <Luigi12> oh is Martin in already? 21:02:08 <neoclust> oh yes 21:02:11 <neoclust> let me look 21:02:17 <DavidWHodgins> Nope. Agreed to add him 21:02:19 <neoclust> No 21:02:24 <neoclust> we must add him :) 21:02:33 <Luigi12> how about Jani? 21:02:42 <neoclust> wally in irc ? 21:03:06 <Luigi12> yes 21:03:13 <neoclust> i am OK too 21:03:36 <Luigi12> Giuseppe <joeghi> is another possibility 21:03:55 <neoclust> so proposal is: jeeebz daviddavid ns80 cmoifp Auroud85 joeghi martin wally 21:04:02 <neoclust> seems a good start :) 21:04:28 <MageiaTJ> Feels weird that I am a member but Martin isn't, yet. His contributions dwarf mine. 21:04:49 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: i agree and disagree :) 21:04:50 <DavidWHodgins> More active team leader. :-) 21:04:53 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: you do a lot too :) 21:05:19 <neoclust> so can we do with those names ? 21:05:23 <neoclust> so proposal is: jeeebz daviddavid ns80 cmoifp Auroud85 joeghi martin wally 21:05:52 * filip_ agrees 21:06:01 * neoclust agrees too 21:06:09 <DavidWHodgins> I'll open a bug report cc to each of them after the meeting where they can confirm they would like to be members. 21:06:32 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: check security in the bugreport :) 21:06:39 <neoclust> so this is secret :-) 21:07:06 <neoclust> jeeebz wanted to propose comral too 21:07:15 <neoclust> which helps a lot in the MLO forum 21:07:28 <Luigi12> do we have any blogdrake people? 21:07:37 <neoclust> i would like too 21:07:50 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust: Constitution only requires that executive committee election be secret. Everything else should be public. 21:07:55 <neoclust> if not today, i can prepare a mail to them tonigh 21:08:00 <jeeebz> He manage the communication of the french forum MLO, also has credential of the twitter account of MLO and create the Mastodon one 21:08:12 <jeeebz> Comral manages the ... * 21:08:35 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: what is better ? a bugreport or a mail ? 21:08:47 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: maybe bugzila is not the best place 21:09:04 <DavidWHodgins> I was thinking bug report because it is public. mail is not. 21:09:12 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: there is archives 21:09:13 <DavidWHodgins> I'm ok with either. 21:09:23 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i was thinking of using the association ML 21:09:33 <neoclust> with them as cc: 21:09:39 <neoclust> asking them if they want 21:09:44 <neoclust> but this is not a good idea 21:09:51 <neoclust> because they won't be able to answer 21:09:53 <DavidWHodgins> They wouldn't be able to reply to the list 21:10:05 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes just though about this :) 21:10:10 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: it is late here, my brain is slow :) 21:10:42 <DavidWHodgins> So either private email, or bug report would work. bug report can be secret, but I see little reason to make it secret 21:11:17 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i don't know what is best 21:11:22 <neoclust> what other think ? 21:11:47 <DavidWHodgins> The only benefit of having the bug report secret would be that others would not be able to add themselves to cc list and make it harder to follow 21:12:20 <jeeebz> hello Comral[m] 21:12:54 <MageiaTJ> If it were secret and one were to turn us down, it wouldn't be broadcast to the world. 21:13:13 <DavidWHodgins> The meetbot log of this meeting will be public anyway. 21:13:30 <MageiaTJ> I didn't think of that. 21:13:32 <DavidWHodgins> MageiaTJ: That's true. I'll make it secret then. 21:14:16 <neoclust> papoteur: Luigi: jeeebz: your opinion please :) 21:14:16 <filip_> I think mail is more private. I trust the contributor which will do that. Let's also make it simple. 21:14:41 <jeeebz> email are not shown on the bug report 21:15:05 <jeeebz> I mean, in public, we have to be register to see email. 21:15:16 <neoclust> jeeebz: this was not the question :-) this was more "how do we propose to newcomers ? by mail or bugreport ) 21:15:30 <jeeebz> I didn't get what MageiaTJ meant... 21:15:36 <DavidWHodgins> jeeebz: If the bug report is secret, public have not access. Using email is one to one, except for snooping isps 21:15:46 <jeeebz> If you want to let a trace, then bugreport, public or not 21:16:31 <Comral[m]> Hello everybody :D 21:16:40 <MageiaTJ> I don't think we want the candidates to feel obligated to accept, if for whatever reason they want to decline. 21:16:49 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not concerned with a trace 21:16:53 <jeeebz> but by email, only sender and recipient know it 21:17:11 <neoclust> yes by mail maybe this is simpler to say no instead of a public bugreport 21:17:15 <DavidWHodgins> jeeebz: We know. We trust the people involved 21:17:51 <neoclust> for me this is this more than trust/not trust 21:17:52 <jeeebz> If I don't want, I would say no in the bug report, I don't see how it is forced 21:18:19 <Luigi12> maybe propose it by mail, then file a bug to make it official if they're ok with it 21:18:28 <DavidWHodgins> jeeebz: People may not want everyone to know they turned down the invitation 21:18:36 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: agreed 21:18:54 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: That sounds good to me 21:19:01 <neoclust> Luigi: good idea too 21:19:13 <neoclust> i sum up 21:19:26 <neoclust> proposal is: jeeebz daviddavid ns80 cmoifp Auroud85 joeghi martin wally Comral[m] 21:19:40 <neoclust> we send them an email asking if they want to enter 21:19:48 <neoclust> if OK we create a bugreport 21:19:55 <neoclust> will ease sysadmin team work 21:20:03 <MageiaTJ> I like that idea. 21:20:11 <jeeebz> me too 21:20:31 <neoclust> someone against ? 21:20:53 * jeeebz is not against. 21:21:29 <DavidWHodgins> Comral[m]: I don't recognize your nic. What's your name? 21:21:35 <neoclust> #action send an email to jeeebz daviddavid ns80 cmoifp Auroud85 joeghi martin wally Comral[m] to know if they accept to enter the association 21:22:22 <neoclust> #action send a mail to our blogdrake friends to know if they have a name(s) to propose to enter into the association 21:22:32 <papoteur> OK 21:22:35 <Comral[m]> DavidWHodgins: I'm principally on mlo 21:22:48 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: ML french mageia forum 21:22:56 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: MLO french mageia forum 21:22:59 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. So not listed in http://people.mageia.org/u/ 21:22:59 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: u ] 21:23:08 <Comral[m]> And I created the mlo mastodon account 21:23:19 <neoclust> Comral[m]: you don't have an account in identity ? 21:23:54 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust: I think it only lists people who are a member of an ldap group 21:24:13 <DavidWHodgins> any of the ldap groups 21:24:24 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: ah yes you may be right 21:24:30 <neoclust> ok then 21:24:37 <neoclust> can we go on topic 2 ? 21:24:47 <neoclust> already 1hr of meeting :) 21:25:04 * filip_ begs ;) 21:25:20 <neoclust> topic 2: Council 21:25:26 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: please :) 21:25:39 <neoclust> can we see if all team have been renewed ? 21:25:56 <Comral[m]> neoclust: I do. cn is Comral and givenName is comral 21:26:07 <neoclust> Comral[m]: nice :) 21:26:08 <papoteur> neoclust: one year ago, yes :p 21:26:31 <neoclust> are you sure ? i saw mails about them not that long ago 21:26:32 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Ordinary general assembly meeting 21:27:40 <DavidWHodgins> Once the association additions are completed, next step is for what's left of the board to call an association meeting to elect a new board 21:28:05 <neoclust> yes this is what i wanted to see council ( team leaders/deputys ) 21:29:04 <neoclust> i have a little problem with the council 21:29:07 <DavidWHodgins> As I am currently on the board, I can do that in the board public mailing list 21:29:23 <papoteur> neoclust: I think we can consider that the leaders have been elected 21:29:29 <DavidWHodgins> What's the problem? 21:29:30 <neoclust> is it the same as "Board of directors" ? 21:29:49 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 21:29:57 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: then we are not good 21:29:59 <neoclust> let me explain 21:30:06 <neoclust> Article 8 - Board of directors 21:30:07 <neoclust> The association is run by a Board of Directors made up of at least 6 members and no more than 12 members, designated by the general assembly and are chosen from among the active members. 21:30:13 <neoclust> 6 to 12 21:30:24 <neoclust> i think we need to modify the status because 21:30:30 <neoclust> http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-council.html 21:30:30 <DavidWHodgins> http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-board.html 21:30:30 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-council ] 21:30:31 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-board ] 21:30:33 <neoclust> more than 12 21:30:35 <jeeebz> (for me, it isn't the same) 21:30:54 <neoclust> ah yes jeeebz you are right 21:31:03 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, just to be clear. Board and Council are not the same 21:31:11 <neoclust> ok i understand better 21:31:12 <papoteur> neoclust: the second is less than 12 21:31:18 <neoclust> yes so not a pb :) 21:31:35 <neoclust> when have we elected them ? 21:31:43 <neoclust> i think we are not good on this part 21:31:48 <papoteur> neoclust: too long ago ;) 21:31:51 <jeeebz> A long time ago... 21:32:08 <neoclust> so we need to work on this 21:32:12 <DavidWHodgins> I'd have to dig through my archives. About 3 or 4 years ago was the last board election 21:32:19 <neoclust> The members of the board of directors are elected for three years, renewable each year by one third. 21:32:20 <neoclust> Afterwards, they are re-elegible. 21:32:43 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i still want you inside it :) 21:32:47 <MageiaTJ> I don't recall hearing about a board election since joining QA (Mageia 4.) 21:32:53 <DavidWHodgins> Things kind of stopped working when Anne stated she was stepping down 21:33:06 <jeeebz> Exactly 21:33:19 <DavidWHodgins> No one, including me, stepped forward to get things going again till now 21:33:31 <jeeebz> https://gitweb.mageia.org/org/constitution/tree/mageia.org_statutes_en.md#n223 21:33:32 <[mbot> [ mageia.org_statutes_en.md - constitution - Constitution ] 21:33:44 <neoclust> i think we should contact them all to know if they want to candidate 21:34:02 <neoclust> and see new people to enter 21:34:39 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: and as Bureau of the association is people from the board 21:34:46 <neoclust> we need to think who will enter 21:35:02 <neoclust> we can't forget to add someone if he want to be secretary for ex 21:35:11 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, I'll use the board public mailing list to ask current members if they want to continue, and to discuss calling an agm 21:35:19 <neoclust> because this will forbit him/her to 21:35:54 <DavidWHodgins> I'm aware. The executive must be entirely made up of board members 21:36:16 <neoclust> yes 21:36:20 <DavidWHodgins> Preferably fluent in French, which counts me out. 21:36:33 <neoclust> as i propose myself as president i hope i will enter in the board :-p 21:36:40 <DavidWHodgins> Treasurer must be in France to access bank 21:37:12 <DavidWHodgins> That will be up to the association. :-) 21:37:36 <neoclust> :-) 21:38:07 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: I think this question is too early. 21:38:18 <DavidWHodgins> I prefer that the president and treasurer be two different people, both with access to bank account to monitor each other and handle things if the other is not available. 21:38:33 <DavidWHodgins> papoteur: Agreed. Let's leave that for the agm 21:38:38 <neoclust> #action send a mail to board public ML to know if they want to stay on board or quit 21:39:07 <DavidWHodgins> And to arrange agm 21:39:27 <neoclust> #action send a mail on public Board ML to arrange an agm 21:39:45 <neoclust> then we will be good as we will elect the new bureau on the agm 21:39:53 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 21:39:59 <jeeebz> Important thing, the meeting of board of directors is triggered by the chairman (Ennael) or a quarter of members 21:40:29 <neoclust> jeeebz: yes but if the quorum is not OK, we can redo and agm w/o need of the quorum 21:40:43 <neoclust> jeeebz: i will contact anne to make her come :) 21:40:47 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: I think that we can here propose a plan to submit to board. You are the only board member to be present here ! 21:40:50 <DavidWHodgins> Any member can propose a meeting. The board then agrees or disagrees 21:41:21 <neoclust> papoteur: stormi is here 21:41:30 <neoclust> maybe not near his computer :) 21:41:32 <neoclust> Akien: too 21:41:39 <DavidWHodgins> In the past, most decisions were made using the mailing list rather then meetings. Easier to organize 21:42:02 <papoteur> neoclust: Ah yes, didn't see ;) 21:42:05 <MageiaTJ> Good luck with finding a time for an actual meeting when enough can attend. 21:42:49 <MageiaTJ> The basic problem with a worldwide organization. 21:42:50 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: we don't need this, as told in an agm we need the quorum 21:43:00 <neoclust> but if the quorum is not OK we call a new agm 21:43:08 <neoclust> and we don't need all this people then 21:43:13 <papoteur> I think we have to hold the agm online, not physical 21:43:35 <neoclust> papoteur: we can't hold an agm physically :) 21:43:42 <neoclust> papoteur: we can do in irc an agm 21:43:51 <neoclust> papoteur: anne told me this 21:43:57 <DavidWHodgins> Or just use the new mailing list 21:44:07 <jeeebz> (what agm stand for ? Assembly General Morldwide ?) 21:44:19 <DavidWHodgins> assembly general meeting 21:44:20 <MageiaTJ> By "actual" meeting I meant as opposed to via mailing list. 21:44:26 <jeeebz> Ah thank you DavidWHodgins 21:44:57 <DavidWHodgins> MageiaTJ: The actual (physical) meetings used to be held at fosdem conventions 21:45:19 <DavidWHodgins> Never made it to one myself. :-( 21:45:43 <neoclust> neither :-) 21:45:45 <MageiaTJ> I've heard. Not going to happen durin a pandemic, though. 21:45:46 <jeeebz> DavidWHodgins: the pandemic didn't help neither... 21:45:53 <neoclust> too shy to go there :) 21:46:04 <jeeebz> neoclust: Hahahaha 21:46:06 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in Canada. A bit to far to travel. :-) 21:46:10 <MageiaTJ> No passport here. 21:46:17 <DavidWHodgins> Me neither 21:46:30 <neoclust> can we close this meeting then ? there is a lot of actions to do 21:46:42 <jeeebz> already ? 21:46:53 <DavidWHodgins> Comral[m]: What's your email address? 21:47:11 <papoteur> Can we say something about timing? 21:47:12 <jeeebz> I mean, is the minimum necessary done to trigger the reborn of Mageia ? 21:47:17 <Comral[m]> DavidWHodgins: comral@netc.fr 21:47:28 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks 21:47:39 <jeeebz> Yes, defining deadlines is mandatory 21:47:54 <jeeebz> otherwise, we can still be in this situation in few years 21:47:59 <neoclust> papoteur: please speak :) 21:48:11 <neoclust> jeeebz: no as we have actions to do now 21:48:22 <DavidWHodgins> jeeebz: I think so. Despite the board becoming non functional, the teams and the council (made up of leaders from teams) have continued working 21:48:33 <neoclust> papoteur: we can send all the emails this week. 21:48:43 <neoclust> can we let 1 week for the people to answer 21:48:55 <jeeebz> by the way, that the role of the current secretary I think... 21:48:55 <papoteur> Yes 21:49:08 <neoclust> jeeebz: who is it ? :-) 21:49:32 <papoteur> grenoya has not been replaced 21:49:35 <jeeebz> neoclust: If I'm not wrong, it is Claire Revillet (grenoya), but 21:49:46 <jeeebz> she gave up if I remember correctly 21:49:52 <neoclust> yes 21:50:16 <neoclust> then we need to do it for her and we can ask ennael as president to provoc the AGM 21:50:22 <jeeebz> Ennael wrote she take the place, but, it is not planed by the constitution 21:50:48 <neoclust> jeeebz: there is the constitution and the rules of a 1901 association 21:50:57 <neoclust> the president can do the tasks 21:51:07 <neoclust> then she can call an AGM 21:51:54 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust: That can be done by any board member according to my reading of the English version of the constitution 21:52:11 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: that is even better 21:52:34 <DavidWHodgins> I'll pursue that in the board public mailing list 21:52:49 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: perfect 21:53:08 <papoteur> It doesn't matter, if noone contest what happens. 21:53:21 <neoclust> can we simulate a date for the AGM ? 21:53:45 <DavidWHodgins> So timing, we're looking at 1 week for new association members to be added, then at least 10 days for agm 21:53:52 <neoclust> to start a good month what about the 1rst of march ? 21:55:23 <DavidWHodgins> So let's plan on 1 week from today for association member deadline (Feb 9th), and 3 weeks from today for agm (Feb. 23rd). 21:55:35 <DavidWHodgins> Sound ok? 21:55:36 <papoteur> neoclust: could be OK 21:56:14 <papoteur> or OK also for DavidWHodgins 21:56:42 <neoclust> both are OK for me. 21:57:07 <DavidWHodgins> Let's go with 23rd for AGM then. :-) 21:57:08 <jeeebz> https://gitweb.mageia.org/org/constitution/tree/mageia.org_statutes_en.md#n276 21:57:09 <[mbot> [ mageia.org_statutes_en.md - constitution - Constitution ] 21:57:26 <jeeebz> Please, don't forget to show it on the web site 21:57:37 <DavidWHodgins> Provided board agrees 21:57:41 <jeeebz> And don't forget the agenda 21:58:25 <filip_> jeeebz: where on the web site 21:58:26 <DavidWHodgins> The only agenda item will be new board candidates and election. 21:58:49 <DavidWHodgins> We can't do the financial review due to no treasurer. 21:59:07 <jeeebz> filip_: it is not precised. 21:59:18 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i will ask anne if we can do something 21:59:24 <filip_> /me wonders about or financial state. esp. BTC 21:59:34 <jeeebz> filip_: good question. 21:59:49 <DavidWHodgins> filip_: I have no idea. :-( 21:59:58 <jeeebz> Few weeks ago, Mageia.Org was billionar (but on BTC only) 22:00:20 <papoteur> jeeebz: and now? 22:00:48 <DavidWHodgins> I'm just surprised that all bills are still being paid, assuming they are. 22:01:10 <jeeebz> 0,87 billionar (in €) 22:01:37 <jeeebz> I've no idea about the bills, what are paid, what are offered 22:01:44 <neoclust> not the topic here 22:01:50 <neoclust> can we focus ? 22:01:53 <jeeebz> Sorry, out of topic 22:02:01 <DavidWHodgins> Anything else for this council meeting before we close it? 22:02:14 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i think we can close it 22:02:23 <papoteur> OK 22:02:23 <neoclust> enough work for us :) 22:02:26 <jeeebz> Yes, Board members present themself at the AGM or before ? 22:02:35 <jeeebz> I mean, candidats 22:02:44 <jeeebz> board candidats 22:03:28 <papoteur> jeeebz: there is no rule for that 22:03:32 <DavidWHodgins> jeeebz: candidates can present at the meeting or via being proposed on council ml 22:03:40 <papoteur> jeeebz: can be at last moment. 22:03:45 <jeeebz> No deadline ? 22:03:48 <jeeebz> ok 22:03:50 <DavidWHodgins> I was added via council ml 22:03:52 <jeeebz> good to know 22:04:15 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks for coming everyone 22:04:19 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting