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19:04:37 <wilcal> hi bri
19:04:52 <bri_an> Hi wilcal - great to see you online
19:05:00 <wilcal> Yes, were here this week mageia-qa next week
19:05:05 <tarazed> Yes.  How is it?
19:05:09 <wilcal> Yes, I can see :-))
19:05:12 <wilcal> kinda
19:05:21 <MageiaTJ> Yes, wilcal. Glad to see you back.
19:05:28 <bri_an> nwo he sees mi mispelyings
19:05:55 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:06:02 <wilcal> Anyone new here today?
19:06:49 <wilcal> no I guess not
19:06:55 <MageiaTJ> I couldn't make it last week. Too much work again. But it's raining today.
19:06:59 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:07:19 <wilcal> I see the list has been cut down considerably
19:07:38 <wilcal> I'm just now getting to the point where I'm useful
19:08:04 <wilcal> That Thunderbird thing can probably be pushed on
19:08:12 <bri_an> we saved VBox for ya
19:08:14 <tarazed> Certainly
19:08:25 <tarazed> He hee
19:08:27 <wilcal> And I'll start working on the Vbox right away
19:08:34 <wilcal> Luv that Vbox
19:08:43 <bri_an> it is a great tool for sure
19:09:09 <MageiaTJ> Some firmware packages need the proper hardware to test.
19:09:10 <tarazed> And very reliable
19:09:33 <wilcal> More bug fixes then security bugs
19:09:37 <bri_an> I'm thinking one might be a fix for the rtl wifi, I gotta try it
19:10:19 <wilcal> Best part of Vbox is you can set something up, really screw it up, blow it away and start all over
19:10:33 <bri_an> amen
19:11:09 <wilcal> There's also a kernel in there so that should keep me busy for the next few days
19:11:12 <MageiaTJ> It happens, bri. I had one wifi dongle stuck in a drawer for a couple of years before the firmware for it got fixed.
19:12:01 <bri_an> yes I'm crossing my fingers.  I have two identical devices and they are wonderful for catching a weaker single and still performing. Hopeful...
19:12:11 <bri_an> signal
19:13:06 <MageiaTJ> It helps when you have a reliable ISP.
19:13:42 <tarazed> Yeah.  I have three dongles which have never worked.
19:13:48 <wilcal> I am blessed with a very very good ISP, my telephone company
19:14:19 <tarazed> Mine is good too. High bandwidth as well.
19:14:30 <wilcal> This could be a very short meeting indeed
19:14:45 <wilcal> anything else in there that needs discussing
19:14:48 <MageiaTJ> I'm on the end of a line. DSL is terrible, or so I'm told. I have Spectrum now.
19:15:44 <wilcal> My DSLAM is maybe 500 feet way so DSL is solid as a rock
19:16:45 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:16:47 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:17:21 <MageiaTJ> Should there be an official announcement of the MGA6 EOL?
19:17:23 <wilcal> So I have now had both eye lenses replaced ( catarac ) surgery
19:17:39 <bri_an> yes - I tried the mgapplet --testing the other day to do an upgrade from 6 to 7.  Didn't go well.
19:17:41 <wilcal> all went well and it's a pretty easy process if you've got to have it
19:17:43 <bri_an> is 6 at EOL?
19:17:48 <tarazed> Tangential to firmware.  It puzzles me that Mageia does not include  common dvb firmware, for TV adapters.
19:18:01 <wilcal> Good question. I think it is
19:18:18 <tmb> tarazed, we ship the firmwares that we know are legal to ship
19:18:24 <tarazed> I have to install a set of Silicon Labs firmware on every install.
19:18:26 <bri_an> I'm very glad it went well wilcal.  Another friend had it and reported very good results as well
19:18:54 <wilcal> A question that should be put to the QA message board
19:19:04 <tarazed> tmb: I did wonder.  The Si Labs stuff is out there on the internet.
19:19:46 <wilcal> I need to use "Reader" glasses for up close so I'm learning how to use, and which ones to use, when.
19:20:09 <MageiaTJ> Some firmwares are available for download by individuals, but can't be distributed by us.
19:20:26 <tarazed> Understood
19:20:31 <tmb> tarazed, yes, there are various sites with firmwares online, but since we cant verify if they are legal or not we dont want to take the chance
19:20:48 <tarazed> Good enough.
19:21:16 <tmb> it sucks as we'd like to provide nice ob support, but...
19:21:31 <tmb> *oob support
19:21:33 <wilcal> Linux has announced that a soon upgrade to the kernel will include a "Lockdown" feature. It will be turned off by default at install
19:21:59 <wilcal> That will be fun to play with
19:22:11 <tarazed> What does it mjean?
19:22:16 <tmb> yep, we wont enable it by default, it would break _way_ too much.
19:22:17 <tarazed> mean
19:22:28 <wilcal> Some Distros already have it like Red Hat
19:23:01 <wilcal> so the kernel code is locked down and cannot be changed even by super user and su
19:23:06 <bri_an> tmb - I was thinking that was probably for more embedded devices, is that your take on it?
19:23:21 <wilcal> Perfect for embedded devices
19:24:13 <wilcal> so anymalware getting into your system cannot change kernel code even if supervisor. It will need a password
19:24:20 <tmb> bri_an, yes, and for other hw where you can control all bits needed for the hw to work, like google with its chromebooks and so on
19:25:12 <wilcal> I suspect if you have it turned on when the kernel needs to be updated you'll have to turn it off, update, then turn it back on
19:25:45 <bri_an> and if properly locked down, good luck with that
19:26:41 <wilcal> should be an adventure
19:27:00 <Benmc> hi folks
19:27:13 <tarazed> good morning Ben
19:27:16 <wilcal> The system I am on now is forever on and connected to the Internet. This one I'll probably lockdown
19:27:19 <wilcal> Hi ben
19:27:30 <wilcal> we're in "Anything else"
19:27:37 <wilcal> Anything else?
19:27:49 <wilcal> Short list in bug list
19:28:06 <Benmc> just remember folks, Daylight saving is almost ending for most of you
19:28:36 <MageiaTJ> Thanks to everyone who worked on getting those M6 updates out before the EOL.
19:28:45 <wilcal> 3 Nov here
19:29:02 <tarazed> Last Sunday in October in UK
19:29:04 <Benmc> week earlier in Europe
19:29:11 <wilcal> Ah yes. Next week we will be in mageia-qa
19:29:22 <wilcal> that seems to be working now
19:29:28 <Benmc> wahooo
19:29:54 <wilcal> anything else
19:31:35 <MageiaTJ> Not from me.
19:31:41 <wilcal> So pretty short meeting today
19:31:49 <wilcal> thanks to all for getting that list down
19:31:50 <tarazed> Hit it wilcal
19:32:05 <wilcal> I should be back into the kernel testing in the next days and Vbox
19:32:17 <wilcal> Count down time
19:32:20 <wilcal> T-5
19:32:33 <tarazed> Bye for now
19:32:36 <wilcal> T-4
19:32:39 <wilcal> Bye all
19:32:44 <wilcal> T-3
19:32:51 <wilcal> T-2
19:32:56 <wilcal> T-1
19:33:01 <wilcal> #endmeeting