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19:01:41 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal Benmc
19:01:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Benmc DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:01:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
19:02:03 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
19:02:26 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 7 - new iso images
19:02:41 <wilcal> Need to define why
19:02:56 <wilcal> hello tmb
19:03:06 <tmb> hi
19:03:07 <DavidWHodgins> As tmb has stated, we need to create new iso images in order for the installers or live iso images to be able to boot on new hardware
19:03:13 <hviaene> Isn' that clear from tmb's mails?
19:03:15 <wilcal> thks for the tip on the microcode update
19:03:43 <wilcal> all new hardware of some new hardware
19:03:54 <DavidWHodgins> If we knew about this before release, it would have been a release blocker
19:03:58 <bri_an> sounded like AMD specific
19:04:05 <DavidWHodgins> new hardware with ryzen cpus
19:04:14 <tmb> bri_an, it is
19:04:17 <wilcal> is it a problem is you use netinstall?
19:04:28 <tmb> wilcal, yes
19:04:46 <tmb> there is basically no way around it :/
19:05:03 <Benmc> lets just hope Intel doesnt drop a new version as well ;)
19:05:06 <wilcal> :-(
19:05:28 <bri_an> I think the new Ryzen 3xxx series is going to be very popular.  We may want to do this.... my opinion
19:05:45 <papoteur> Hello
19:05:54 <bri_an> hi papoteur
19:05:57 <hviaene> wilcal: are you hunting at leaving the iso's as they are and prrovide a solution only via netinstall?
19:06:06 <hviaene> hinting
19:06:15 <tmb> Afaik the new upcoming Intel 10xx series cpus already work with current setup
19:06:36 <wilcal> yes
19:06:36 <bri_an> good
19:06:57 <Benmc> Hviane:I made that suggestion already
19:07:03 <DavidWHodgins> I don't consider only being able to use a fixed netinstall to be an acceptable solution
19:07:22 <DavidWHodgins> That's my opinion though.
19:07:31 <bri_an> tmb already shot it down anyhow
19:07:42 <bri_an> so - I vote yeah, we need new ones
19:07:51 <bri_an> 7.00001  ;-)
19:07:54 <hviaene> I follow
19:08:09 <tmb> If we care about our endusers, new isos are required
19:08:16 <Benmc> I balked at redoing  iso testing, but feel it is the right thing to do
19:08:22 <DavidWHodgins> I've tested the systemd update on both m6 and m7. Anyone object to me validating it now?
19:08:54 <bri_an> my record of saying yes hasn't been stellar.  So I defer... ;0)
19:08:57 <tmb> note that the iso testing will be "sort of fast", as we only need to check we did not regress against mga7 isos
19:08:58 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: It will be minimal testing since not much will be changed. Just testing that the new iso images have been built properly really.
19:09:17 <tmb> so it only meands they will pull in the already validated updates, nothing else
19:09:24 <Benmc> just to test for regressions basically
19:09:24 <tmb> *means
19:09:34 <wilcal> Will this be 7.1?
19:09:43 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:10:03 <tmb> yep, it makes it clear its a new set
19:10:17 <wilcal> I agree with that path
19:10:20 <tmb> ".1" stands for first rebuild
19:10:37 <DavidWHodgins> systemd update, bug 25080 now validated
19:10:39 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update request: systemd-241-8.1.mga7', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25080
19:11:17 <Benmc> just the keyboard bug left?
19:11:30 <Benmc> re martins email
19:11:36 <papoteur> Will it be difficult to build Classical ISO, because of Updates repositories.
19:11:38 <tmb> so is there anything else we want on the isos before I re-prep the distrib tree for new builds
19:11:38 <papoteur> ?
19:12:13 <papoteur> Because this was what retain us to deliver M6.1 in Classical ISOs
19:12:16 <tmb> papoteur, nope, drakiso pulls the latest rpms from updates along with the rest from release
19:12:41 <tmb> papoteur, yep, old bcd was not designed to handle separate updates
19:13:08 <papoteur> OK
19:13:11 <DavidWHodgins> bug 25054 validated now too
19:13:13 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update request: kernel-firmware-nonfree-20190628-1.mga7.nonfree', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25054
19:13:54 <bri_an> fyi - I'm testing ffmpeg 4.1.4  - so far so good, so it could probably be rolled in
19:14:32 <Benmc> just checked bug 24813  is fixed
19:14:34 <[mbot> Bug: ['No European-Portuguese keyboard layout', 'RESOLVED', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24813
19:15:20 <tmb> and when we release 7.1 we can also trigger mageiaupdate to offer upgrades
19:15:34 <bri_an> tmb good idea
19:15:54 <Benmc> sorry folks, got to go. thanks for being here tmb
19:16:10 <papoteur> What about the two stoppers fo mageiaupdate?
19:16:25 <tmb> papoteur, what stoppers ?
19:17:00 <papoteur> meta-task
19:17:17 <tmb> papoteur, already validated
19:17:20 <Pharaoh_Atem> hmm, should I prepare an update to GNOME Software to enable upgrading from Mageia 6 to Mageia 7?
19:17:26 <papoteur> and grub legacy
19:17:36 <tmb> papoteur, already validated
19:17:45 <papoteur> OK
19:19:39 <tmb> Pharaoh_Atem, has anyone ever tested distro-updating with g-s ?
19:19:51 <DavidWHodgins> bug 25109 advisory upladed and bug validated
19:19:53 <[mbot> Bug: ['FFmpeg 4.1.4', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25109
19:20:00 <Pharaoh_Atem> I did it by hand once, it's functionally the same as dnf system-upgrade
19:20:16 <Pharaoh_Atem> but I'm not sure if I want to introduce it for mga6, and maybe just leave that for mga7->mga8
19:20:36 <DavidWHodgins> If you're not comfortable with it, let's not risk it.
19:20:54 <Pharaoh_Atem> sure
19:22:15 <MageiaTJ> The stars must be aligned. I get a few minutes for a break during meeting time, and my Internet service is working...
19:22:15 <DavidWHodgins> I think we are ready for the new iso images to be built, once current validated updates are pushed
19:22:18 <tmb> yeah, I think its better to leave it for mga 7->8
19:22:43 <papoteur> HI MageiaTJ
19:22:51 <Pharaoh_Atem> tmb: I still have to finish writing the plugin anyway, so that probably works out for the best
19:23:03 <Pharaoh_Atem> it'll be my first contribution to gnome :P
19:23:06 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:24:32 <papoteur> Upgrade path has been difficult for me :/
19:24:41 <papoteur> with urpmi
19:25:14 <wilcal> going all the way back to Mandrake I erase the drive and start fresh. Every time
19:25:39 <DavidWHodgins> My current Mageia 6 install started as a Mageia 3 install.
19:25:52 <wilcal> killdisk.com is my friend
19:25:59 <DavidWHodgins> My m7 installs are all fresh so far.
19:26:12 <bri_an> papoteur - I ran into problems with a compicated VBox host machine.  Is that where you have issues?
19:26:16 <papoteur> Have we an indication of the left space needed for the upgrade
19:26:47 <bri_an> papoteur - small root drive space?
19:26:56 <papoteur> I got a core dump of urpmi
19:27:22 <DavidWHodgins> papoteur: That's really hard to determine. It depends on what's installed already, and how the upgrade transactions are split
19:27:29 <papoteur> 24Gb, but 19 Gb busy
19:27:34 <Pharaoh_Atem> yikes
19:27:47 <Pharaoh_Atem> you're cutting it really close
19:28:24 <DavidWHodgins> My / is 64G with 45G used for the m6 install. That has every desktop environment we have installed on it.
19:28:33 <bri_an> and /tmp is probably sharing space in root.  So you'd bein trouble I think
19:29:14 <DavidWHodgins> bri_an: /tmp is normally in ram, so half of total ram
19:29:26 <papoteur> I hope we can indicate some recommendations about the free space.
19:29:53 <Pharaoh_Atem> on average, having 10GB free is a good idea
19:30:00 <bri_an> DavidWHodgins - thank you - learned something today.  Even with my thick skull
19:30:04 <wilcal> 2tb drive here, 178gb free
19:30:05 <DavidWHodgins> One big increase in space comes if you choose to download all packages before starting the install
19:30:47 <DavidWHodgins> It's recommended for systems with slow or unreliable internet
19:30:54 <Pharaoh_Atem> which we recommend in the release notes
19:31:19 <papoteur> Pharaoh_Atem: ?
19:31:21 <wilcal> I have a local repo rsynd'd to kernel.org
19:31:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> papoteur: for urpmi-based upgrades, we recommend downloading all the packages and doing a test transaction
19:31:52 <Pharaoh_Atem> before doing the real upgrade
19:31:54 <wilcal> with 6, 7 & 8 that takes nearly 700gb
19:32:03 <hviaene> Sorry, have to go, g'night all.
19:33:27 <papoteur> Ah,  --download-all --test options
19:33:35 <DavidWHodgins> On my m6 install, du -s /usr shows 23G used, so I'd guess at least 50% more than that if downloading all packages first, or downloading them to a different file system.
19:33:37 <papoteur> I didn't use them
19:34:35 <Pharaoh_Atem> note that part of dnf system upgrade does that as a required step
19:34:54 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions about the new iso images before we move on?
19:35:06 <Pharaoh_Atem> nah, I think we're good
19:35:21 <wilcal> not from me
19:35:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems
19:36:32 <wilcal> nothing from me
19:36:34 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have a steam controller gamepad for testing bug 25083?
19:36:36 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update candidate: sc-controller 0.4.7', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25083
19:37:52 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: not a gamer
19:37:56 <tmb> nope... I guess we can validate it with tests done by Remi as he's a gamer and have the hw
19:38:04 <DavidWHodgins> If not, I'll test that the update installs cleanly over the prior version, and if it does validate it.
19:38:07 <tmb> its not like its a critical package
19:38:49 <MageiaTJ> No gamepads here of any kind.
19:39:03 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll take care of that one after the meeting.
19:39:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:39:33 <wilcal> Not from me
19:39:48 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then
19:39:51 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
19:39:54 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:39:57 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:39:59 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:40:02 <wilcal> bye all thanks dave
19:40:02 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:40:08 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone!
19:40:12 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting