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19:03:24 <wilcal> welcome all to another qa meeting
19:03:34 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:45 <wilcal> Is there anyone new today?
19:04:19 <Benmc> shufffling, looking at feet
19:04:39 <wilcal> Well then lets get on to the hot subject of today
19:04:41 <wilcal> #topic M7 RC CI ISOs Round 3 , Status & Testing
19:05:06 <wilcal> I just got through installing on my nvidia x86_64 and everything went just fine
19:05:15 <wilcal> this one looks like a winner to me
19:05:23 <MageiaTJ> I synced the latest two, but haven't had a chance to do anything else.
19:05:50 <Benmc> downloaded overnight and jave just got out of bed - not looked at yet
19:06:42 <wilcal> The repo has been very quiet the last few days
19:07:23 <tarazed> Yes, Martin has done another great job but for the first time I am having serious problems with mga7.  GNOME is a mess for a start.
19:07:55 <MageiaTJ> I didn't check yet - are these new ones small enough for a DVD?
19:08:07 <wilcal> I would ask everyone to take a look at these CI's and post in the RiseUp pad. That so the Live media can get generated
19:08:18 <wilcal> Lemme look
19:08:55 <wilcal> 4.1 i586 & 4.2 x86_64
19:09:12 <wilcal> lemme get more detailed
19:09:20 <Benmc> tarazed. just looked at your pad report. have you tried your "root" commands from a "user" terminal?
19:09:56 <tarazed> Benmc: yes, that is what I always do, su - etc.
19:10:36 <wilcal> i586 4425119744
19:11:00 <Benmc> dont use "su -", as a norma user, see ens of release notesl
19:11:21 <Benmc> its a wayland issue
19:11:21 <wilcal> x86_64 4493279232
19:11:37 <tarazed> Only started that lately.
19:12:00 <tarazed> What is a wayland issue - the GNOME stuff?
19:12:19 <Benmc> ie, as a normal user, just run "drakx11", no su -
19:12:24 <wilcal> Is a DVD really 4.7GB or is it really smaller then that
19:12:44 <Benmc> wilcal, effectiovely 4.38GB usable
19:12:54 <tarazed> Ah, thanks Ben - that seems to be the trend now.
19:13:01 <wilcal> so both squeek just under
19:13:24 <Benmc> tarazed, a popup will request root user password
19:13:39 <wilcal> or just over
19:13:55 <MageiaTJ> I was sure Martin would check the size before letting them go this time, anyway.
19:14:27 <wilcal> I haven't tried to burn a DVD yet
19:15:16 <tarazed> Benmc: perfect.  Just tried it.
19:16:07 <tarazed> Maybe we shall have to start voting on what not to put in the iso.
19:16:16 <Benmc> tarazed, yep years of habit out the window
19:17:09 <wilcal> I'm gonna try and burn the x86_64 to a dvd using k3b brb
19:17:43 <Benmc> sorry guys, that time again. got to go
19:17:50 <Benmc> may see you later
19:17:57 <tarazed> Bye Ben
19:19:47 <wilcal> K3b did not object and is starting the write process
19:20:01 <wilcal> usually if the file(s) is too big it objects right away
19:20:46 <wilcal> It's going to be really tight
19:21:29 <wilcal> So i donno if this is an issue or not
19:22:09 <wilcal> You saw me banter back and forth with David on the QA mailing list. I think M7 has to fit on a DVD but I will raise the issue on M8
19:22:33 <wilcal> That so long as the Live media can fit on a DVD
19:23:21 <wilcal> Do we have a show stopper here or not?
19:25:39 <MageiaTJ> Not for me. It's more important the the i586 iso fit on a DVD, as most 64-bit machines can boot from usb.
19:27:12 <wilcal> So lets proceed that these two isos are good to go pending whatever testing results we see in the next days
19:27:39 <wilcal> I say we also give Martin the go ahead to press the Live media in the next days
19:28:03 <MageiaTJ> Sounds like an idea.
19:28:36 <tarazed> The i586 iso is marginally smaller than x86_64
19:28:56 <wilcal> Ok so the x86_64 M7 burn to DVD media without objection here
19:29:22 <wilcal> That using an M7 platform and K3b
19:29:53 <wilcal> After this meeting I'll use that media and install to a blank drive
19:29:58 <MageiaTJ> Trying the i586 here now. Using a usb optical drive, so it may take a while.
19:31:34 <wilcal> So test these as best you can. First look here they're just fine and whatever comes up after release can be fixed in updates
19:32:36 <wilcal> We've still got a whole week till 2 June the last day in the development page
19:34:05 <wilcal> Any other thoughts on M7 testing
19:35:20 <wilcal> So lets move on
19:35:22 <wilcal> #topic M6 -> M7 upgrade process
19:35:29 <wilcal> Wrong
19:35:52 <wilcal> Well maybe we should talk about that
19:36:05 <wilcal> has anyone had any success with that
19:36:34 <MageiaTJ> I did, in vnox, using the beta 3 iso.
19:36:43 <MageiaTJ> vnox=vbox
19:37:01 <rindolf> wilcal: i had mixed success in x64 vbox
19:37:22 <rindolf> wilcal: urpmi crashed :(
19:37:34 <tarazed> Shall be trying that later in the week.
19:37:47 <wilcal> I've not had any success but have only tried it in Vbox
19:37:53 <tarazed> On real hardware.
19:37:59 <wilcal> I'm not sure that's a valid test
19:38:53 <MageiaTJ> I only used the isos, so far. I've never quite trusted the applet...
19:39:51 <wilcal> I need to officialize one issue on that here
19:40:26 <wilcal> Upgrading from something like M6 Legacy boot -> M7 UEFI boot is a No NO, won't work
19:41:27 <wilcal> Hi bri
19:42:00 <wilcal> Have you done any testing on the new M7 CI isos?
19:42:35 <bri_an> yes - this is a fresh install
19:42:41 <bri_an> from latest
19:43:03 <bri_an> so cinnamon, gnome, xfce
19:43:20 <tarazed> How did you get on with GNOME?
19:43:28 <bri_an> I figured you'd cover plasma, but I have to say the new plasma experience is amazing
19:43:35 <bri_an> gnome works well
19:43:53 <bri_an> I haven't had any failures.  Tarazed how about you?
19:43:53 <tarazed> I had several problems.
19:44:13 <wilcal> M7 Plasma is much much more stable then M6 is even today
19:44:18 <bri_an> hmm - the ones noted using wayland?
19:44:21 <tarazed> Like the on-screen keyboard popping up where it was not wanted.
19:44:37 <bri_an> hmm - let me pull up my laptop with gnome on it
19:44:43 <tarazed> I think, even with Xorg.
19:44:56 <wilcal> M6 still gives me a screen lockup on occasion. I've not seen that on M7
19:45:20 <tarazed> Is that in vbox or real iron?
19:45:46 <wilcal> I raised a heads up bug that Kdenlive falls on it's face if you try to use it in a Vbox client
19:45:49 <bri_an> I'm doing all of my testing on physical machines
19:45:52 <tarazed> Had trouble with vbox screen sizing.
19:45:54 <wilcal> I don't think that's proper usage
19:46:07 <bri_an> I had problems with plasma on my APU, but clean on other env.
19:46:40 <wilcal> You have to set the Display/Graphics Controller to VBoxVGA
19:46:41 <bri_an> tarazed:  you could maximize right?
19:47:09 <wilcal> And be using Vbox Ver 6.x
19:47:17 <tarazed> Did not try - set geometry in preferences.
19:47:44 <wilcal> Otherwise Vbox clients will be 640x480 and that's it
19:48:01 <tarazed> I think it was using VBoxVGA
19:48:27 <tarazed> It was defaulting to 1024x786
19:50:10 <wilcal> Ben's back
19:50:30 <Benmc> ( different isp too)
19:50:39 <wilcal> Anyway test and note in Riseup Pad
19:50:45 <bri_an> ok
19:51:04 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:51:06 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:51:09 <bri_an> had challenges getting to risepad.  I'll need to try a differently link
19:51:20 <tarazed> There is still a long list of bugs to follow up.
19:51:21 <wilcal> LOts in there and a kernel test it's gonna be a busy weekend
19:52:01 <wilcal> Takes me the better part of a day to properly test a Kernel update :-(
19:52:49 <wilcal> That because I create a real on hardware new M6 install with Vbox and update that
19:53:09 <tarazed> Phew!
19:53:19 <wilcal> I know a lot of folks put there regular machines at risk but I don't
19:53:38 <wilcal> That can really bite cha
19:53:53 <wilcal> Especailly if Vbox drivers are involved
19:54:15 <wilcal> back in the day I'd blow up completely an install testing kernels
19:54:26 <bri_an> I use hotplug drives, improved
19:54:49 <MageiaTJ> My first test is on an install I can afford to lose. If that's OK, then I do others.
19:54:52 <wilcal> All my test plaforms have hot plug drives
19:55:24 <wilcal> And I'm gradually swapping out the old drives for SSD's
19:55:31 <wilcal> makes testing really fast
19:55:51 <Benmc> bri_an: -15, I posted a link in the ML with the pad link
19:55:53 <wilcal> You can buy a 120GB SSD for way under $50 these days
19:56:01 <MageiaTJ> I might skip that first one if others have found no problems.
19:57:02 <bri_an> try several sells from under $20
19:57:53 <bri_an> I'll try to get to postgres next week
19:58:18 <wilcal> Lets move on to
19:58:20 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:58:26 <wilcal> Anything else
19:59:03 <MageiaTJ> i586 DVD is a success!
19:59:33 <wilcal> Kool so it looks like it'll all get in just under the wire
19:59:35 <wilcal> :-))
19:59:41 <bri_an> yes
19:59:58 <wilcal> After this meeting I'll do an install from the x86_64 I just created
20:00:17 <tarazed> Nothing here.
20:00:22 <wilcal> SO on that note lets go to countdown
20:00:43 <wilcal> Thanks all for coming and hopfully we'll see the Live media isos in a day or so
20:00:46 <wilcal> T-5
20:00:53 <wilcal> T-4
20:00:54 <MageiaTJ> I won't do anything for a while - have to get back to work.
20:00:54 <tarazed> Bye folks
20:00:59 <wilcal> T-3
20:01:00 <bri_an> bye all
20:01:04 <wilcal> Bye all
20:01:07 <wilcal> T-2
20:01:11 <wilcal> T-1
20:01:14 <wilcal> #endmeeting