19:02:00 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:02:00 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu May 9 19:02:00 2019 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:00 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:08 <wilcal> welcome to another qa meeting 19:02:23 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:02:29 <wilcal> Anyone new here today? 19:03:20 <wilcal> No one raises their hand so lets move on to 19:03:22 <wilcal> #topic M7 Beta 3, Status & Testing 19:03:35 <wilcal> For me M7 has become quite stable 19:03:46 <wilcal> I have it running on three platforms here 19:04:06 <wilcal> The number of updates has reduced dramatically 19:04:13 <kekePower> I had some issues booting kernel 5.1.0-rc7, but with 5.1.0 final, the problem is gone 19:04:19 <wilcal> The new artwork was installed a couple days ago 19:04:26 <stroibe974> M7b3 running smoothly on my laptop 19:04:48 <Benmc> on-line upgrades fail with bug 24767 19:04:50 <[mbot> Bug: ['kernel: traps: urpmi[...] trap divide error ip:.. sp:.. error:0 in libdb-5.3.so (deleted)[..] -- during on-line upgrade of all DE install, floating point exception occurs(core dumped)', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24767 19:04:55 <rindolf> kekePower: nice 19:05:00 <stroibe974> this new artwork doesn't include the side picture for MCC... is this coming in another update? 19:05:14 * rindolf is running mga7 19:05:19 <Benmc> very likely, same as installer slide shows 19:05:29 <wilcal> I have tried an M6 -> M7 x86_64 Plasma Vbox client update and that went down in flames 19:05:43 <wilcal> Has anyone tried an upgrade 19:06:01 <Benmc> yes, see above bug 19:06:03 <kekePower> not recently 19:06:35 <wilcal> I think we're at the point where that something we should be looking at 19:06:40 <stroibe974> the online upgrade I tried a few weeks ago with MATE desktop worked fine... I haven't tried another one lately 19:06:48 <wilcal> hi bri talking about M7 now 19:06:53 <Benmc> or do you mean by DVD? 19:06:58 <bri_an> :wilcal hi 19:07:21 <wilcal> I would expect some new ISOs pretty soon 19:07:27 <bri_an> thank you 19:07:30 <kekePower> I'm thinking of pushing MATE 1.22.1 to updates_testing soonish 19:07:57 <wilcal> for M7? 19:07:58 <Benmc> how does that go with version freeze? 19:08:03 <kekePower> had an issue with mate-applets that has been fixed upstream 19:08:04 <bri_an> good - I have two older boxes that mate is ideal for 19:08:17 <kekePower> Benmc: I can push to updates_testing and then ask for it to be moved to core 19:08:26 <Benmc> cool 19:08:33 <wilcal> sounds like a plan 19:09:00 <wilcal> MATE is my choice for Vbox clients as it's not as heavy to deal with 19:09:39 <stroibe974> that upgrade with MATE was in a Vbox too 19:10:01 <stroibe974> I should try another one tomorrow and see what happens 19:10:10 <kekePower> OK. I'll test mate-applets locally before I push the packages to updates_testing 19:10:36 <wilcal> If I don't see any isos this weekend I'll do a hardware based upgrade test 19:10:45 <kekePower> I'll give the qa@ml notice to you too can test before it gets moved to core 19:11:01 <kekePower> s/to/so 19:11:38 <stroibe974> is anything special stopping us from getting a new b3 round or even RC isos ? 19:11:40 <bri_an> I'm ready to test a couple of upgrades. One 32-bit with Xfce and another 64 bit. Then I'll do a full install on a new drive or two and see how that goes 19:11:45 <Bequimao> When will we start with regular QA testing in Cauldron? 19:12:38 <bri_an> m7 - I am absolutely loving the plasma layout and the new backgrounds 19:12:44 <wilcal> I think they want to go to the RC 19:13:02 <Benmc> stroibe794: likely when artwork for installer is complete, and MCC as well 19:13:48 <kekePower> I'm using the joeghi (RT) kernel and it really works wonders 19:13:53 <wilcal> It all looks very French :-) 19:14:09 <rindolf> kekePower: ah 19:14:20 <stroibe974> wilcal: what looks very French? :) 19:14:42 <rindolf> kekePower: i think it ran my benchmarks slower 19:15:00 <bri_an> :-) 19:15:07 <Benmc> Kekepower. has a decision been made about that kernels home? 19:15:32 <kekePower> rindolf: I'm able to do a lot of CPU and IO intesive tasks without any hickups playing audio for example 19:15:40 <kekePower> Benmc: I don't think so 19:15:50 <rindolf> kekePower: ok 19:16:06 <wintpe> an RT kernel is not nessasarily faster, just reliable timing 19:16:18 <rindolf> wintpe: yes 19:16:58 <kekePower> I feel so proud to be a part of this release :D 19:17:18 <wintpe> did anyone try swithcing the cpu governer on to performance 19:17:31 <Benmc> it is looking very good. just needs a bit of polish on the corners 19:18:15 <wilcal> This one looks really really nice 19:18:47 <kekePower> hviaene: I'm still looking into the issue with nodejs (mga6) 19:18:47 <wintpe> ive found m7 plasma much more stable than m6 19:19:10 <wintpe> no crashes so far, which i cant say for 6 19:19:19 <wilcal> Mageia has been accused of being very traditional and M7 looks to be a very polished traditional Linux distro 19:19:34 <wintpe> nothing wrong with that 19:19:37 <kekePower> traditional/conservative 19:19:51 <wintpe> i like traditional/conservative 19:19:51 <kekePower> I think it makes it rock solid 19:20:18 <kekePower> not as conservative as debian tho 19:20:41 <Benmc> yet, supporting UEFI 32 is not something supported by many others, so another feather in her cap 19:20:56 <wilcal> The new artwork looks very French 19:21:12 <kekePower> and the awesome work done on rust by Martin and Remi 19:21:59 <bri_an> yeah - I'm thinkin RC after the mate update? That will drive my final testing and then I'll lock into m7 on my production instances 19:22:05 <Benmc> Martin needs huge thanks for his ISO building work sofar, very few hiccups 19:22:08 <wilcal> So hopefully we'll see some new isos in the next days or so 19:22:50 <wilcal> I watch the M7 repo and it's really settled down 19:23:19 <wilcal> So can we agree that we are at that stage to go to RC? 19:23:21 <Benmc> only 58 updates last night, down from about 300 daily 19:23:34 <Benmc> yes from me 19:23:45 <wilcal> That's a yes from me 19:23:51 <bri_an> RC - yes 19:24:01 <Benmc> sorry guys- got to go 19:24:06 <wintpe> fix todays nvidia update issue and yes from me 19:24:08 <wilcal> By Ben 19:24:08 <bri_an> bye Ben 19:24:12 <stroibe974> what about the nvidia problem which was posted on the ML today? has it been fixed already? 19:24:22 <wilcal> So QA encourages we move to the RC stage 19:24:26 <wintpe> we know what the issue is 19:24:43 <bri_an> I just awa an Email - sounds tmb has a fix 19:24:49 <kekePower> i agree wilcal 19:25:22 <wilcal> So lets move on 19:25:24 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:25:44 <wilcal> list is long and I see there's kernels in that so I've got to hop on those 19:27:01 <wilcal> Libreoffice is easy to do 19:27:17 <bri_an> yeah - waiting on that fix still 19:27:28 <wilcal> so work the list as best you can 19:27:38 <bri_an> I ran the test install again on Xfce still pulling in the kf5 modules 19:27:59 <bri_an> yes - I think bash is ready. 19:28:40 <bri_an> also if we process the list with OK we'll be almost caught up 19:28:53 <wilcal> Yes, 19:29:19 <bri_an> nodejs - if that's fixed, I have a platform to test that on 19:29:27 <kekePower> bri_an: not yet 19:29:31 <wilcal> Anything else in testing updates? 19:29:40 <kekePower> bri_an: I don't really know what the issue is, but I'm working on it 19:29:47 <bri_an> kekePower: ping me when it is 19:29:53 <kekePower> bri_an: got it 19:30:51 <wilcal> Lets move on 19:30:54 <wilcal> #topic Mozilla Firefox disabled addons mitigation 19:31:08 <wilcal> I wanted to talk about this a little in case it happens to us 19:31:19 <wilcal> I have somthing to post about it 19:31:22 <wilcal> Hold a sec 19:31:41 <wilcal> Mozilla had a problem with their Certs starting at exactly Midnight I believe on 4 May. That problem prevented all the Firefox Add-ons from working and created a world wide wave of angry users. An official bug was raised: 19:31:43 <wilcal> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 19:31:44 <wilcal> but aside from the official bug, 100's if not 1000's of bugs were created. Mozilla immediately responded by stating that they had a problem and they were working on it. I think there was someone working full time noting all the duplicate bugs. I think it took about 24-hours to completely repair the issue and update they're internal workings and then roll out a new version of Firefox. 19:31:45 <[mbot> [ 1548973 - (armagadd-on-2.0) [first mitigation completed, working on a second one] All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate signing cert ] 19:32:44 <wilcal> So I think it was Mageia back around Ver 2 where we experience when an update went through the whole thing went down like a house of cards 19:33:22 <wilcal> What I saw Mozilla do last weekend was classic cool under fire and they righted themselves pretty quickly 19:33:43 <wilcal> First they admitted they had a MAJOR problem 19:33:57 <wilcal> then the official bug was released and published 19:34:17 <kekePower> The got some heat for the "run studies" thing 19:34:30 <kekePower> they 19:34:36 <wilcal> Then someone had to be going like hell to acknowledge the duplicate bugs being opened. 100's of them 19:35:13 <wilcal> They really really pissed off a bazillon people 19:35:14 <bri_an> yeah - someone had a very long long weekeend 19:35:27 <wilcal> but they kept updating the bug 19:35:47 <wilcal> I think it took about 24-hours to fully flush it out of the system 19:36:16 <wilcal> But kudos from me that they proceeded with force to get the thing resolved 19:36:38 <wilcal> Something like that could happen to us with a kernel update 19:37:26 <wilcal> I haven't seen a "kernel panic" in a long long time 19:37:50 <wintpe> you can always boot of the last kernel 19:37:58 <wilcal> Did everyone experience this? 19:38:09 <wilcal> cross fingers that you can boot last kernel 19:38:24 <wilcal> I think Ubuntu blew up their GUI a couple years ago 19:38:39 <wintpe> nope , dont use FF 19:38:49 <kekePower> we also had a signing issue not too long ago 19:38:54 <wilcal> Chrome was just fine 19:39:24 <wilcal> For me Lastpass was gone so pretty much anything that needed a password I couldn't get to 19:39:58 <kekePower> I found out how ugly webpages are with ads thrown all over the place 19:40:08 <wilcal> Wow 19:40:21 <stroibe974> no one can be 100% sure, look at what happened to Manjaro a couple of months ago 19:40:37 <wintpe> i used to rely on addons for browsers but with the reworking the api killing so many addons i now try to use userspace programs instead 19:40:39 <wilcal> About how long from when you experienced it to when it was fixed keke 19:40:39 <bri_an> what was that? 19:41:07 <wilcal> The heart of the problem was an internal Cert that didn't get updated 19:41:27 <kekePower> wilcal: Only a an hour or so because I had FF opened and then did a reboot 19:41:48 <kekePower> I always have FF open until I have to reboot 19:42:07 <wilcal> I spotted it here around 4am and it was fixed by noon California time 19:42:15 <stroibe974> Manjaro pushed an update for "stable" installs and users couldn't get to their DE anymore... they fixed it rather quickly, but still... not very good on the "stable" branch 19:42:29 <bri_an> ouch 19:42:55 <stroibe974> those things happen, distros just need to be ready to fix any issue of this sort as quickly as they can 19:43:20 <wilcal> I always use the old addage: "To Error is Human, to really f..k things up takes a computer" 19:43:33 <stroibe974> wilcal: nice one ;) 19:44:26 <wilcal> The interesting part was that is was a time problem. The first bugs were filed in New Zealand then wave after wave as the time changed and it moved West 19:44:43 <bri_an> yes the joy of certs 19:44:45 <wilcal> I betcha there were 1000's of pissed off bugs filed 19:45:52 <wilcal> Big point here. Admit to the problem, we are working on it and get it fixed ASAP 19:46:24 <wilcal> Lets move on 19:46:26 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:46:36 <wilcal> Nothing from me 19:46:52 <stroibe974> any news about https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24190 ? 19:46:54 <[mbot> [ 24190 – No way to change Xfce/Parameters/Appearance/Style ; No more TraditionalOk ] 19:47:15 <wintpe> does anyone know where plasma wayland and nvidia is , 19:47:26 <wilcal> That I don't know 19:47:27 <stroibe974> some users seem to consider Xfce is not really usable as shipped by Mageia 19:47:30 <wintpe> is it still another major rev away 19:47:47 <wilcal> To be replaced by MATE in M8? 19:48:06 <stroibe974> can anything be done about these gtk2 default themes on Xfce? 19:48:34 <kekePower> wally_ would know, but he's inactive afaics 19:49:37 <stroibe974> I read on MATE's website that they are moving to gtk3 as well... do we really still need those gtk2 themes? 19:49:56 <wilcal> we should move on in M8 19:49:59 <kekePower> stroibe974: for now, yes 19:50:14 <bri_an> when I click on that download link it takes me to another site. 19:50:46 <stroibe974> I feel sorry for Xfce users... it seems they are getting a better-looking Xfce from other distros, and they have the feeling Mageia is not fair to Xfce users 19:51:25 <kekePower> stroibe974: it comes down to manpower 19:52:01 <wilcal> ANything else 19:52:20 <kekePower> all good here 19:52:22 <stroibe974> is there any Xfce team, like the KDE team, those people could join in order to help wally? 19:52:39 <kekePower> not that I know if 19:52:40 <kekePower> of 19:52:49 <wilcal> Count down time 19:52:52 <wilcal> T-5 19:53:00 <wilcal> thanks all for being here 19:53:18 <wilcal> See you again next week hopefully with some RC isos 19:53:18 <stroibe974> thank you everyone 19:53:22 <bri_an> bye all 19:53:23 <wilcal> T-4 19:53:29 <kekePower> cheerio 19:53:40 <wilcal> T-3 19:53:44 <wilcal> T-2 19:53:47 <wilcal> T-1 19:53:51 <wilcal> #endmeeting