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19:02:08 <wilcal> welcome to another qa meeting
19:02:23 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:02:29 <wilcal> Anyone new here today?
19:03:20 <wilcal> No one raises their hand so lets move on to
19:03:22 <wilcal> #topic M7 Beta 3, Status & Testing
19:03:35 <wilcal> For me M7 has become quite stable
19:03:46 <wilcal> I have it running on three platforms here
19:04:06 <wilcal> The number of updates has reduced dramatically
19:04:13 <kekePower> I had some issues booting kernel 5.1.0-rc7, but with 5.1.0 final, the problem is gone
19:04:19 <wilcal> The new artwork was installed a couple days ago
19:04:26 <stroibe974> M7b3 running smoothly on my laptop
19:04:48 <Benmc> on-line upgrades fail with bug 24767
19:04:50 <[mbot> Bug: ['kernel: traps: urpmi[...] trap divide error ip:.. sp:.. error:0 in libdb-5.3.so (deleted)[..] -- during on-line upgrade of all DE install, floating point exception occurs(core dumped)', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24767
19:04:55 <rindolf> kekePower: nice
19:05:00 <stroibe974> this new artwork doesn't include the side picture for MCC... is this coming in another update?
19:05:14 * rindolf is running mga7
19:05:19 <Benmc> very likely, same as installer slide shows
19:05:29 <wilcal> I have tried an M6 -> M7 x86_64 Plasma Vbox client update and that went down in flames
19:05:43 <wilcal> Has anyone tried an upgrade
19:06:01 <Benmc> yes, see above bug
19:06:03 <kekePower> not recently
19:06:35 <wilcal> I think we're at the point where that something we should be looking at
19:06:40 <stroibe974> the online upgrade I tried a few weeks ago with MATE desktop worked fine... I haven't tried another one lately
19:06:48 <wilcal> hi bri talking about M7 now
19:06:53 <Benmc> or do you mean by DVD?
19:06:58 <bri_an> :wilcal hi
19:07:21 <wilcal> I would expect some new ISOs pretty soon
19:07:27 <bri_an> thank you
19:07:30 <kekePower> I'm thinking of pushing MATE 1.22.1 to updates_testing soonish
19:07:57 <wilcal> for M7?
19:07:58 <Benmc> how does that go with version freeze?
19:08:03 <kekePower> had an issue with mate-applets that has been fixed upstream
19:08:04 <bri_an> good - I have two older boxes that mate is ideal for
19:08:17 <kekePower> Benmc: I can push to updates_testing and then ask for it to be moved to core
19:08:26 <Benmc> cool
19:08:33 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
19:09:00 <wilcal> MATE is my choice for Vbox clients as it's not as heavy to deal with
19:09:39 <stroibe974> that upgrade with MATE was in a Vbox too
19:10:01 <stroibe974> I should try another one tomorrow and see what happens
19:10:10 <kekePower> OK. I'll test mate-applets locally before I push the packages to updates_testing
19:10:36 <wilcal> If I don't see any isos this weekend I'll do a hardware based upgrade test
19:10:45 <kekePower> I'll give the qa@ml notice to you too can test before it gets moved to core
19:11:01 <kekePower> s/to/so
19:11:38 <stroibe974> is anything special stopping us from getting a new b3 round or even RC isos ?
19:11:40 <bri_an> I'm ready to test a couple of upgrades.  One 32-bit with Xfce and another 64 bit.  Then I'll do a full install on a new drive or two and see how that goes
19:11:45 <Bequimao> When will we start with regular QA testing in Cauldron?
19:12:38 <bri_an> m7 - I am absolutely loving the plasma layout and the new backgrounds
19:12:44 <wilcal> I think they want to go to the RC
19:13:02 <Benmc> stroibe794: likely when artwork for installer is complete, and MCC as well
19:13:48 <kekePower> I'm using the joeghi (RT) kernel and it really works wonders
19:13:53 <wilcal> It all looks very French :-)
19:14:09 <rindolf> kekePower: ah
19:14:20 <stroibe974> wilcal: what looks very French? :)
19:14:42 <rindolf> kekePower: i think it ran my benchmarks slower
19:15:00 <bri_an> :-)
19:15:07 <Benmc> Kekepower. has a decision been made about that kernels home?
19:15:32 <kekePower> rindolf: I'm able to do a lot of CPU and IO intesive tasks without any hickups playing audio for example
19:15:40 <kekePower> Benmc: I don't think so
19:15:50 <rindolf> kekePower: ok
19:16:06 <wintpe> an RT kernel is not nessasarily faster, just reliable timing
19:16:18 <rindolf> wintpe: yes
19:16:58 <kekePower> I feel so proud to be a part of this release :D
19:17:18 <wintpe> did anyone try swithcing the cpu governer on to performance
19:17:31 <Benmc> it is looking very good. just needs a bit of polish on the corners
19:18:15 <wilcal> This one looks really really nice
19:18:47 <kekePower> hviaene: I'm still looking into the issue with nodejs (mga6)
19:18:47 <wintpe> ive found m7 plasma much more stable than m6
19:19:10 <wintpe> no crashes so far, which i cant say for 6
19:19:19 <wilcal> Mageia has been accused of being very traditional and M7 looks to be a very polished traditional Linux distro
19:19:34 <wintpe> nothing wrong with that
19:19:37 <kekePower> traditional/conservative
19:19:51 <wintpe> i like traditional/conservative
19:19:51 <kekePower> I think it makes it rock solid
19:20:18 <kekePower> not as conservative as debian tho
19:20:41 <Benmc> yet, supporting UEFI 32 is not something supported by many others, so another feather in her cap
19:20:56 <wilcal> The new artwork looks very French
19:21:12 <kekePower> and the awesome work done on rust by Martin and Remi
19:21:59 <bri_an> yeah - I'm thinkin RC after the mate update?  That will drive my final testing and then I'll lock into m7 on my production instances
19:22:05 <Benmc> Martin needs huge thanks for his ISO building work sofar, very few hiccups
19:22:08 <wilcal> So hopefully we'll see some new isos in the next days or so
19:22:50 <wilcal> I watch the M7 repo and it's really settled down
19:23:19 <wilcal> So can we agree that we are at that stage to go to RC?
19:23:21 <Benmc> only 58 updates last night, down from about 300 daily
19:23:34 <Benmc> yes from me
19:23:45 <wilcal> That's a yes from me
19:23:51 <bri_an> RC - yes
19:24:01 <Benmc> sorry guys- got to go
19:24:06 <wintpe> fix todays nvidia update issue and yes from me
19:24:08 <wilcal> By Ben
19:24:08 <bri_an> bye Ben
19:24:12 <stroibe974> what about the nvidia problem which was posted on the ML today? has it been fixed already?
19:24:22 <wilcal> So QA encourages we move to the RC stage
19:24:26 <wintpe> we know what the issue is
19:24:43 <bri_an> I just awa an Email - sounds tmb has a fix
19:24:49 <kekePower> i agree wilcal
19:25:22 <wilcal> So lets move on
19:25:24 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:25:44 <wilcal> list is long and I see there's kernels in that so I've got to hop on those
19:27:01 <wilcal> Libreoffice is easy to do
19:27:17 <bri_an> yeah - waiting on that fix still
19:27:28 <wilcal> so work the list as best you can
19:27:38 <bri_an> I ran the test install again on Xfce still pulling in the kf5 modules
19:27:59 <bri_an> yes - I think bash is ready.
19:28:40 <bri_an> also if we process the list with OK we'll be almost caught up
19:28:53 <wilcal> Yes,
19:29:19 <bri_an> nodejs - if that's fixed, I have a platform to test that on
19:29:27 <kekePower> bri_an: not yet
19:29:31 <wilcal> Anything else in testing updates?
19:29:40 <kekePower> bri_an: I don't really know what the issue is, but I'm working on it
19:29:47 <bri_an> kekePower:  ping me when it is
19:29:53 <kekePower> bri_an: got it
19:30:51 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:30:54 <wilcal> #topic Mozilla Firefox disabled addons mitigation
19:31:08 <wilcal> I wanted to talk about this a little in case it happens to us
19:31:19 <wilcal> I have somthing to post about it
19:31:22 <wilcal> Hold a sec
19:31:41 <wilcal> Mozilla had a problem with their Certs starting at exactly Midnight I believe on 4 May. That problem prevented all the Firefox Add-ons from working and created a world wide wave of angry users. An official bug was raised:
19:31:43 <wilcal> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973
19:31:44 <wilcal> but aside from the official bug, 100's if not 1000's of bugs were created. Mozilla immediately responded by stating that they had a problem and they were working on it. I think there was someone working full time noting all the duplicate bugs. I think it took about 24-hours to completely repair the issue and update they're internal workings and then roll out a new version of Firefox.
19:31:45 <[mbot> [ 1548973 - (armagadd-on-2.0) [first mitigation completed, working on a second one] All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate signing cert ]
19:32:44 <wilcal> So I think it was Mageia back around Ver 2 where we experience when an update went through the whole thing went down like a house of cards
19:33:22 <wilcal> What I saw Mozilla do last weekend was classic cool under fire and they righted themselves pretty quickly
19:33:43 <wilcal> First they admitted they had a MAJOR problem
19:33:57 <wilcal> then the official bug was released and published
19:34:17 <kekePower> The got some heat for the "run studies" thing
19:34:30 <kekePower> they
19:34:36 <wilcal> Then someone had to be going like hell to acknowledge the duplicate bugs being opened. 100's of them
19:35:13 <wilcal> They really really pissed off a bazillon people
19:35:14 <bri_an> yeah - someone had a very long long weekeend
19:35:27 <wilcal> but they kept updating the bug
19:35:47 <wilcal> I think it took about 24-hours to fully flush it out of the system
19:36:16 <wilcal> But kudos from me that they proceeded with force to get the thing resolved
19:36:38 <wilcal> Something like that could happen to us with a kernel update
19:37:26 <wilcal> I haven't seen a "kernel panic" in a long long time
19:37:50 <wintpe> you can always boot of the last kernel
19:37:58 <wilcal> Did everyone experience this?
19:38:09 <wilcal> cross fingers that you can boot last kernel
19:38:24 <wilcal> I think Ubuntu blew up their GUI a couple years ago
19:38:39 <wintpe> nope , dont use FF
19:38:49 <kekePower> we also had a signing issue not too long ago
19:38:54 <wilcal> Chrome was just fine
19:39:24 <wilcal> For me Lastpass was gone so pretty much anything that needed a password I couldn't get to
19:39:58 <kekePower> I found out how ugly webpages are with ads thrown all over the place
19:40:08 <wilcal> Wow
19:40:21 <stroibe974> no one can be 100% sure, look at what happened to Manjaro a couple of months ago
19:40:37 <wintpe> i used to rely on addons for browsers but with the reworking the api killing so many addons i now try to use userspace programs instead
19:40:39 <wilcal> About how long from when you experienced it to when it was fixed keke
19:40:39 <bri_an> what was that?
19:41:07 <wilcal> The heart of the problem was an internal Cert that didn't get updated
19:41:27 <kekePower> wilcal: Only a an hour or so because I had FF opened and then did a reboot
19:41:48 <kekePower> I always have FF open until I have to reboot
19:42:07 <wilcal> I spotted it here around 4am and it was fixed by noon California time
19:42:15 <stroibe974> Manjaro pushed an update for "stable" installs and users couldn't get to their DE anymore... they fixed it rather quickly, but still... not very good on the "stable" branch
19:42:29 <bri_an> ouch
19:42:55 <stroibe974> those things happen, distros just need to be ready to fix any issue of this sort as quickly as they can
19:43:20 <wilcal> I always use the old addage: "To Error is Human, to really f..k things up takes a computer"
19:43:33 <stroibe974> wilcal: nice one ;)
19:44:26 <wilcal> The interesting part was that is was a time problem. The first bugs were filed in New Zealand then wave after wave as the time changed and it moved West
19:44:43 <bri_an> yes the joy of certs
19:44:45 <wilcal> I betcha there were 1000's of pissed off bugs filed
19:45:52 <wilcal> Big point here. Admit to the problem, we are working on it and get it fixed ASAP
19:46:24 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:46:26 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:46:36 <wilcal> Nothing from me
19:46:52 <stroibe974> any news about https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24190 ?
19:46:54 <[mbot> [ 24190 – No way to change Xfce/Parameters/Appearance/Style ; No more TraditionalOk ]
19:47:15 <wintpe> does anyone know where plasma wayland and nvidia is ,
19:47:26 <wilcal> That I don't know
19:47:27 <stroibe974> some users seem to consider Xfce is not really usable as shipped by Mageia
19:47:30 <wintpe> is it still another major rev away
19:47:47 <wilcal> To be replaced by MATE in M8?
19:48:06 <stroibe974> can anything be done about these gtk2 default themes on Xfce?
19:48:34 <kekePower> wally_ would know, but he's inactive afaics
19:49:37 <stroibe974> I read on MATE's website that they are moving to gtk3 as well... do we really still need those gtk2 themes?
19:49:56 <wilcal> we should move on in M8
19:49:59 <kekePower> stroibe974: for now, yes
19:50:14 <bri_an> when I click on that download link it takes me to another site.
19:50:46 <stroibe974> I feel sorry for Xfce users... it seems they are getting a better-looking Xfce from other distros, and they have the feeling Mageia is not fair to Xfce users
19:51:25 <kekePower> stroibe974: it comes down to manpower
19:52:01 <wilcal> ANything else
19:52:20 <kekePower> all good here
19:52:22 <stroibe974> is there any Xfce team, like the KDE team, those people could join in order to help wally?
19:52:39 <kekePower> not that I know if
19:52:40 <kekePower> of
19:52:49 <wilcal> Count down time
19:52:52 <wilcal> T-5
19:53:00 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
19:53:18 <wilcal> See you again next week hopefully with some RC isos
19:53:18 <stroibe974> thank you everyone
19:53:22 <bri_an> bye all
19:53:23 <wilcal> T-4
19:53:29 <kekePower> cheerio
19:53:40 <wilcal> T-3
19:53:44 <wilcal> T-2
19:53:47 <wilcal> T-1
19:53:51 <wilcal> #endmeeting