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20:01:59 <wilcal> Welcome all to another QA meeting
20:02:13 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:02:20 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
20:02:33 <wilcal> Hi Rin
20:02:41 <rindolf> wilcal: hi
20:03:04 <wilcal> No one new I guess
20:03:19 <wilcal> #topic M7 Beta 3, release 1 Status & Testing
20:03:36 <wilcal> Martin released the two CI's earlier this week
20:03:59 <wilcal> I've testing it quite extensively and it installs just fine
20:04:15 <wilcal> A lot of the past problems are behind us
20:04:24 <wilcal> Any other thoughts?
20:04:33 <wilcal> Hi tar
20:04:39 <tarazed> Hi Bill
20:04:55 <hviaene> My i586 still refuses to bootafter installation
20:04:59 <wilcal> Any thoughts on M7 Beta 3 Release 1
20:05:02 <MageiaTJ> Anybody else run into bug 24189 ?
20:05:04 <[mbot> Bug: ['cups.service fails on boot - multiple attempts - have to manually start', 'NEW', 'Thierry Vignaud'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24189
20:05:05 <rindolf> i installed an x64 xfce desktop - seemed fine but vm install is still slow here
20:05:35 <MageiaTJ> It's most annoying if it hits you.
20:05:40 <tarazed> My experiences have been overwhelmingly positive.  No reboot problems.
20:05:58 <wilcal> Yup no boots are a problem
20:06:11 <tarazed> One major snag was autoscaling on a laptop with high definition screen - a mess.
20:06:30 <hviaene> Objection!!!
20:06:37 <wilcal> My major issue today, and I share, that M7 is still VERY dynamic. There were 125 updates today
20:06:56 <wilcal> This thing should be settling down by now
20:07:18 <wilcal> There were a LOT of Plasma updates
20:07:23 <Benmc> folks- hi
20:07:26 <MageiaTJ> hviaene: what's up?
20:07:33 <tarazed> Hi Ben
20:07:43 <hviaene> My i586 still refuses to bootafter installation
20:07:58 <wilcal> the M7 repo sees lots of updates
20:08:04 <wilcal> hi bri
20:08:09 <tarazed> Evening Brian
20:08:17 <bri_an> HI wilcal, good evening tarazed
20:08:36 <wilcal> So my point is someone in develop needs to tell us when the expect this thing to settle down
20:08:43 <wilcal> otherwise we could go on forever
20:08:50 <wilcal> Just my thoughts
20:08:54 <MageiaTJ> hviaene: Mine boots OK. No idea why yours wouldn't.
20:08:56 <bri_an> oh the splurge of updates
20:09:05 <tarazed> @hviaene; Does it just freeze or what?
20:09:08 <wilcal> Yes, 125 of them just today
20:09:35 <tarazed> The cauldroon is boiling.
20:09:43 <hviaene> Tarazed: it freezes afer 4 seconds
20:09:43 <bri_an> for sure
20:10:11 <bri_an> is this on start hviaene after the menu selection?
20:10:26 <wilcal> It truely is tar
20:10:40 <wilcal> so M7 is still very unstable
20:10:49 <tarazed> Herman: do you get to see any messages?
20:10:50 <hviaene> After menu selection
20:11:10 <bri_an> try adding noapic to kernel option?
20:11:33 <tarazed> That sounds right.
20:11:35 <bri_an> I'm running a hardware upgrade from 6 to 7 on gnome right now
20:11:36 <hviaene> Loads : bug cannot allocate paging ....somthing alike
20:11:54 <MageiaTJ> I put an ssd in my Probook. I must have something set wrong, as M7 takes longer to boot from that than from a rust drive. Lots longer.
20:12:19 <hviaene> I'll try noapic, I'll report tomorrow
20:12:23 <tarazed> Hardware setting you mean?
20:12:48 <bri_an> upgrade from 6 to 7 on bare metal
20:13:11 <MageiaTJ> Yeah. Maybe. Not sure I have the thing aligned properly.
20:13:13 <hviaene> The m6 bootts fine on the same laptop
20:13:30 <Benmc> hviaene: is that a 32bit hardware system?
20:13:40 <hviaene> yes
20:14:03 <Benmc> Ill try my 32 bitter Desktop this weekend and compare notes
20:14:03 <hviaene> pentium M
20:14:29 <Benmc> amd 2400xp
20:15:00 <wilcal> #chair MageiaTJ
20:15:00 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MageiaTJ wilcal
20:15:05 <MageiaTJ> Mine's a P4. Just a bit newer.
20:15:29 <MageiaTJ> Oh, no... He gave me responsibility again.
20:15:50 <tarazed> MageiaTJ: right sort of interface cable?
20:16:35 <MageiaTJ> Well, it is a SATA3 drive, but the Probook is SATA2.
20:16:43 <wilcal> I'm a great delegator of responsibility, all of it :-)
20:17:34 <bri_an> I noticed in xfce the flashing screen immediately after login.  Anybody else see that?
20:17:35 <MageiaTJ> It's a laptop. Not much I can do about cabling.
20:18:06 <wilcal> So the question to come out of this discussion is is the performance of this set of CI's good enough to ask for the Live discs
20:18:09 <bri_an> once the login is done it is fine, just kind of wonky there in the beginning
20:18:36 <MageiaTJ> Martin uploaded the lives a couple of days ago.
20:18:55 <wilcal> Ohh ok i need to bring those down
20:19:08 <bri_an> yup - pretty solid live versions so far
20:20:00 <Benmc> mostly cosmetic issues for me, except when changing a printer driver
20:20:06 <tarazed> Agreed - not many problems.
20:20:20 <Benmc> see pad for details
20:20:44 <bri_an> my upgrade seems to be having issues.  That may be our next area to validate
20:21:21 <Benmc> anything specific?
20:21:27 <wilcal> I have not tried an upgrade yet
20:22:19 <bri_an> to early to tell, it threw a message that a large group of libraries failed.  It's trying again
20:22:31 <bri_an> what should I collect for a bug in this case?
20:23:02 <Benmc> bri_an: xfce tearing at login bug 24134
20:23:04 <[mbot> Bug: ['Xfce video tearing at login', 'NEW', 'Jani Välimaa'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24134
20:23:08 <tarazed> MageiaTJ: don't know anything about the standards but there might be a bottleneck there.
20:23:36 <bri_an> benmc thanks
20:25:29 <Benmc> bri_an: if you are using the DVD to uopgrade, after install there should be a report file in drakx
20:25:43 <MageiaTJ> tarazed: Only has a problem during boot, before login. Once in Plasma, it seems OK.
20:25:46 <Benmc> fat fingers grrrr
20:26:02 <bri_an> ok - this is coming off of the DVD yes
20:27:02 <bri_an> wow this round acts like it finished.  I'll have to see if it boots
20:27:14 <tarazed> TJ: so Plasma has a Plan B - god for it.
20:28:42 <Benmc> anything else?
20:29:37 <bri_an> LOL - just at the end of the upgrade now getting the 418 object update
20:30:07 <bri_an> yeah - feels more like a beta1 than a 3 to me
20:30:37 <MageiaTJ> Booting the Probook now - two minutes and counting.
20:31:46 <Bequimao> MageiaTJ: Did you recreate the initrds?
20:31:47 <bri_an> nothing from me on m7
20:32:08 <Benmc> text showing anything?
20:32:46 <Benmc> (esc or down arrow keys)
20:33:01 <bri_an> Benmc: if you are asking me, it is busy downloading the 418.  If you're talking to TJ  :-)
20:33:16 <Benmc> sorry, TJ
20:33:18 <MageiaTJ> I put the ssd in and did a new install. OK, it's up. 4.5 minutes.
20:33:47 <bri_an> Hmm - that should of been seconds with an SSD
20:34:27 <MageiaTJ> Brand new install on a bare drive that had been formatted with Gparted.
20:34:45 <bri_an> is this plasma on old equip?
20:34:57 <wilcal> So I take it from this discussion that we are still a little early for a RC
20:35:13 <wilcal> Probably a Beta 3 release 2
20:35:23 <bri_an> wilcal:  I think so, to many updates flying in
20:35:39 <MageiaTJ> Probook 6550b. i3, circa 2010.
20:35:42 <bri_an> I was surprised how stable gnome was
20:35:42 <wilcal> I really want to see that repo settle down for about a week
20:35:56 <wilcal> This is a release blocker for me
20:35:58 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24429
20:36:00 <[mbot> [ 24429 – The best resolution on a Vbox client I can get is 640x480 ]
20:36:51 <wilcal> ANything else on M7 other then keep testing and bugging
20:36:58 <MageiaTJ> I wasn't seeing bug 24189 before, but I am now.
20:37:00 <[mbot> Bug: ['cups.service fails on boot - multiple attempts - have to manually start', 'NEW', 'Thierry Vignaud'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24189
20:37:24 <Bequimao> wilcal: Why? Vbox is not even open source.
20:38:00 <wilcal> It's a critical tool used by a lot of users
20:38:30 <MageiaTJ> I think it may have to do with the guest additions that we provide.
20:38:39 <wilcal> Yes, I agree
20:38:50 <wilcal> tmb just hasn't gotten to it yet
20:38:54 <bri_an> so if you download the ones from virtualbox.org it works
20:38:56 <Bequimao> I use Qemu/KVM instead.
20:38:59 <tarazed> wilcal: my one vbox install had no problem with larger screen sizes
20:40:05 <MageiaTJ> Older guests created with M6 look OK, but they use a different set of additions.
20:40:07 <wilcal> I installed the latest CI, installed Vbox to it, and installed the CI as a Vbox client and it was 640x480
20:40:51 <tarazed> Think that is what I did also.
20:41:06 <tarazed> Need to check.
20:42:05 <bri_an> ok - so I should see this issue on my upgrade that's just finishing
20:42:29 <bri_an> Qemu/KVM - I struggled with that, has it gotten easier?
20:42:45 <wilcal> Anything else on M7?
20:43:58 <bri_an> not here
20:44:15 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
20:45:38 <wilcal> Are we comfortable with this:
20:45:39 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24519
20:45:41 <[mbot> [ 24519 – Update request: kernel-4.14.106-1.mga6 ]
20:46:35 <bri_an> I tested it some, it worked
20:46:58 <wilcal> So we suggest to tmb to push it on
20:47:14 <tarazed> Reckon so.
20:47:24 <MageiaTJ> I had no problems with my tests.
20:47:52 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24309
20:47:55 <[mbot> [ 24309 – libreoffice new security issue CVE-2018-16858 ]
20:47:59 <wilcal> is still hanging in there
20:48:02 <hviaene> No problems with this kernel
20:48:55 <wilcal> I have to try that new Firefox to see if it has the autoplay audio/video stopper in it
20:49:27 <MageiaTJ> No change that I can see. If you try to update on a non-Plasma system, it still appears to recommend installing libreoffice-kf5.
20:49:28 <wilcal> I works most of the time on 66 but there's a war going on to force videos on you
20:50:03 <wilcal> And we know what that does
20:50:14 <bri_an> drives us crazy?
20:51:01 <wilcal> Anything else on updates other then test as best you can
20:52:03 <bri_an> nope
20:52:31 <bri_an> I'll validate the nextcloud update when I get some bandwidth
20:52:45 <bri_an> Jose did the 64-bit, so I'll spin up a 32 and see how it goes
20:53:31 <wilcal> Anything else on updates?
20:54:47 <wilcal> So lets move on to
20:54:49 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:55:06 <hviaene> No
20:55:08 <wilcal> Just a heads up. In two weeks, April 11, I'll be at the NAB Show: https://www.nabshow.com/ so I won't be here.
20:55:09 <[mbot> [ NAB Show | April 6 - 11, 2019 ]
20:55:31 <MageiaTJ> I just tried resume from hibernate on the Probook, and that was nice and fast.
20:55:31 <wilcal> Everything broadcast
20:55:57 <bri_an> wilcal:  that looks fun
20:56:27 <wilcal> It's a great show. Better then the CES
20:56:34 <tarazed> libtiff is back ;-(
20:56:48 <wilcal> So thanks to all for being here
20:57:08 <hviaene> G'night all
20:57:22 <wilcal> I think we're changing time again. I think
20:57:29 <tarazed> So long folks
20:57:29 <wilcal> I'll have to check
20:57:34 <wilcal> T-5
20:57:38 <wilcal> T-4
20:57:43 <wilcal> T-3
20:57:48 <wilcal> bye all
20:58:06 <wilcal> T-
20:58:08 <wilcal> T-2
20:58:12 <wilcal> T-1
20:58:16 <wilcal> #endmeeting