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20:04:06 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:04:13 <wilcal> Anyone new here
20:04:58 <Benmc> deafening silence, shoe shuffling
20:05:07 <wilcal> So lets move to
20:05:08 <wilcal> #topic M7 Beta 2, Release 3 New Status & Testing
20:05:26 <wilcal> There was a monumental uppdate to M7 the last couple days
20:05:36 <wilcal> For me all went well
20:05:50 <wilcal> Still no word on new isos
20:06:04 <MageiaTJ> Marten says he's waiting for the Plasma etc. updates to be complete before the new isos.
20:06:11 <Benmc> did not fix bug 24435 for me tho'
20:06:13 <[mbot> Bug: ['plasma5 some application launcher menu items "more" do not populate', 'NEW', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24435
20:06:17 <MageiaTJ> Marten=Martin.
20:06:30 <wilcal> Is the new Gnome in there now?
20:06:43 <wilcal> That was a major hole up
20:06:47 <wilcal> hold up
20:07:03 <hviaene> I lost the items (MCC etc in the plasma panel over the updates
20:07:27 <wilcal> I saw that on the mailing list
20:07:32 <hviaene> Otherwise fine
20:07:34 <MageiaTJ> I did see several Gnome-related updates to my Plasma system a while back.
20:07:54 <MageiaTJ> I have a couple of Gnome apps installed.
20:08:27 <wilcal> will Marten be able to release something this coming weekend
20:08:39 <MageiaTJ> Herman, I got those back the next day.
20:09:21 <MageiaTJ> Sounds like something you'd have to ask him, wilcal.
20:09:42 <wilcal> Anyway we are still awaiting new isos
20:09:52 <stroibe974> from what I can see on http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ I would say the qt/kf5/plasma packages are done now (at least for 64b  and i586)
20:09:53 <[mbot> [ Build system status ]
20:10:10 <hviaene> TJ: I'll have a look after the meeting
20:10:14 <wilcal> For me there are still some critical bugs, several release blockers
20:11:51 <MageiaTJ> Last time I looked, shared folders for M7 guests in Vbox still wasn't working.
20:12:28 <wilcal> Now is that a shared folder in a client or mounting a shared folder on the LAN
20:12:50 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: in a client.
20:13:09 <MageiaTJ> Shared between host and guest.
20:13:55 <wilcal> So the shared folder will be on the client not the host or on the LAN
20:14:13 <MageiaTJ> Mageia 6 guests are OK in that regard.
20:14:58 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: No, the shared folder resides on the host. The guest can't see/mount it.
20:15:08 <wilcal> I have two shared folders on this M6 host and M7 Vbox clients and real workstations can get to them without a problem
20:15:28 <MageiaTJ> Make that automount it. I believe it can be done manually.
20:15:54 <wilcal> Ahhhh that is a very old problem and a timing thing during boot up
20:16:02 <wilcal> It works on some platforms and not on others
20:16:27 <MageiaTJ> I never saw it before M7.
20:17:18 <bri_an> HI
20:17:36 <wilcal> So I need to put a shared folder in my on real hardware M7 platform to see that
20:17:40 <wilcal> hi bri
20:18:11 <MageiaTJ> It's been a couple of weeks or so since I looked. Bunches of updates since then.
20:18:45 <tarazed> Looks like some of them may never be touched.
20:18:47 <wilcal> What's the bug number on that one?
20:20:11 <MageiaTJ> No, you share a folder that's already on your real hardware in a M7 guest. Set it up for full access and automuont.
20:20:21 <MageiaTJ> Let me look...
20:21:22 <MageiaTJ> Bug 24141
20:21:46 <wilcal> Thanks
20:21:50 <bri_an> Once new iso's out, I'll try that one.
20:21:55 <bri_an> news on gnome?
20:22:04 <bri_an> or did I miss that and can read later?
20:22:11 <MageiaTJ> Interesting. Looks like the bot only responds to bug numbers from the chair.
20:22:46 <Benmc> try bug 24141
20:22:48 <[mbot> Bug: ['Mageia 7 guests not auto-mounting shared folders in VirtualBox', 'NEW', 'Thomas Backlund'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24141
20:23:11 <MageiaTJ> OK. I capitalized it.
20:23:18 <wilcal> So reading that title I do this successfully every day without problems here
20:23:23 <Benmc> last week i put in a #
20:23:48 <wilcal> All my M7 Clients, be they on an M6 or M7 Host mount shared folders just fine
20:24:08 <wilcal> But as I said this bug has been around for years
20:24:19 <bri_an> ok - may of been fixed then
20:24:41 <MageiaTJ> OK, I shall have to take another look. After the next isos, I think.
20:25:04 <wilcal> The tip off is in a root terminal if you command "mount -a" and the mount then works
20:25:30 <MageiaTJ> OK, it's the automount part that's not working.
20:25:40 <wilcal> Yes
20:25:48 <wilcal> automount on boot
20:26:06 <wilcal> I'm not sure there's a perfect fix
20:26:49 <wilcal> ANything else on M7 we need to talk about
20:27:04 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: What other blockers do you have?
20:27:04 <wilcal> Other then we're waiting
20:27:15 <bri_an> any forecasts on new isos?
20:27:18 <wilcal> hold a sec
20:27:36 <stroibe974> when should we start testing mga6 to 7 upgrades?
20:28:08 <bri_an> stroeibe974:  probably when new isos are released
20:28:09 <wilcal> This one is making me crazy
20:28:10 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24468
20:28:12 <[mbot> [ 24468 – M7 in a Vbox client, loses connection to keyboard ]
20:28:23 <Benmc> should be already doing some ( in VBox or real h/w)
20:28:46 <bri_an> I've done some on last generation of isos, but with all of the fixes we are kind of starting over
20:28:48 <wilcal> This is a for sure show stopper
20:28:49 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24429
20:28:51 <[mbot> [ 24429 – The best resolution on a Vbox client I can get is 640x480 ]
20:28:54 <Benmc> cinnamon upgrades will fail without manual intervention
20:28:58 <stroibe974> I tried the update in VB to test the new MATE, but the upgrade itself was quite difficult: I had to remove several packages manually and stuff like that
20:29:25 <MageiaTJ> Yeah, I saw 24429.
20:29:47 <stroibe974> in the end the upgrade was a success, but it's not the kind of update I would be happy with
20:29:52 <wilcal> So a M7 host running a Vbox client can only get to 640x480
20:30:05 <wilcal> I await the new isos to confirm that's still a problem
20:30:27 <Benmc> stroibe974: did you take a note of the problem packages?
20:30:35 <MageiaTJ> I see that with new clients, not those that were carried over from M6 vbox.
20:30:54 <wilcal> This one's a fix or replace
20:30:56 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23628
20:30:58 <[mbot> [ 23628 – kompozer segfaults when cursor moved out of (or into) the HTML text window ]
20:31:31 <wilcal> We can't release M7 with an obsolete and/or broken webpage editor
20:31:55 <MageiaTJ> As I recall, komposer is no longer being supported upstream.
20:32:03 <wilcal> correct
20:32:22 <MageiaTJ> Then a replacement is the only logical choice.
20:32:44 <wilcal> Bluegriffen plugs and plays in M7 and works wonderfully well and is even better.....but...
20:32:53 <wilcal> the docs cost 75 Euros
20:33:10 <wilcal> and it also may be obsolete and unsupported :-((
20:33:13 <MageiaTJ> Not my area of expertise. I have no suggestions.
20:33:59 <wilcal> Kompozer sig faults maybe someone can figure it out
20:34:46 <wilcal> ANyway anything else on M7?
20:35:13 <Pharaoh_Atem> I am working on updating udisks2
20:35:26 <Pharaoh_Atem> that should hopefully be done this weekend, as well as a dracut rebase
20:35:27 <hviaene> Google earth, but that has been discussed beforee
20:35:29 <wilcal> Thanks
20:35:38 <stroibe974> Benmc: I did, yes
20:36:17 <hviaene> On Plasma that is, did not check on other DE
20:36:46 <MageiaTJ> hviaene: yes, Google Earth Pro doesn't like the Intel driver.
20:36:47 <Benmc> stroibe974: on-line upgrade or using the dvd? bug report too I guess?
20:37:22 <stroibe974> Benmc: I will probably send a mail to qa about the whole experience ;)
20:37:30 <stroibe974> Benmc: on-line upgrade
20:37:43 <wilcal> Have not tried an upgrade M6 -> M7 yet
20:37:56 <wilcal> It should be an adventure
20:38:12 <stroibe974> wilcal: that was the first one I tried, and yes, it was quite an adventure :)
20:38:22 <wilcal> Remember the M5 -> M6 nightmare
20:38:46 <wilcal> KDE to Plasma never really worked
20:39:12 <stroibe974> but this one was a virtual machine with only Mate installed
20:39:16 <MageiaTJ> Hoping that upgrading Gnome isn't as bad as KDE4-> Plasma.
20:39:24 <Bequimao> wilcal: there is bluefish as webeditor.
20:39:33 <bri_an> I did a couple of upgrades from mate, Xfce - they worked
20:39:37 <wilcal> Is it upgraded yet?
20:39:44 <wilcal> Latest Gnome
20:39:53 <wilcal> That was supposed to be on the 11th
20:39:57 <bri_an> waiting on new gnome to try it
20:40:09 <bri_an> no one answered my question, any forecasts?
20:40:12 <wilcal> So we're still waiting
20:41:01 <stroibe974> mate was upgraded to 1.22.0
20:41:17 <wilcal> Bequimao> We have to use one or both
20:42:09 <stroibe974> bri_an: the new gnome is already available
20:42:21 <tarazed> dev ml says that GNOME 3.32 has landed in Cauldron but they seem to be having some issues
20:42:31 <MageiaTJ> 6 wayland packages just updated - and I don't even use wayland.
20:43:12 <stroibe974> I've read a few issues about the font in the terminal, which was changed upstream, but there is already a new adobe-fonts package to fix this
20:44:08 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:44:09 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:44:28 <wilcal> New kernel in there so I'll be working that in the next days or so
20:45:13 <MageiaTJ> I'll look at Thunderbird.
20:46:34 <wilcal> Are we ready to turn libreoffice loose?
20:47:11 <MageiaTJ> It still wants to install the kf5 packages on non-Plasma systems.
20:47:39 <MageiaTJ> Or did last week.
20:48:15 <wilcal> Ahhh I've only tested in on Plasma platforms
20:48:30 <MageiaTJ> tmb was going to look into it, but his efforts have been elsewhere. He's been a busy guy.
20:49:19 <hviaene> I have some time for update tests tomorrow afternoon and saturday
20:49:42 <wilcal> Thanks hvi
20:49:51 <wilcal> Anyway work them as best you can
20:50:33 <wilcal> Which takes us to
20:50:34 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:50:50 <hviaene> None here
20:50:55 <wilcal> Not from me
20:51:01 <tarazed> nope
20:51:04 <stroibe974> not from me
20:51:13 <bri_an> nothing here
20:51:14 <MageiaTJ> I'm OK.
20:51:18 <wilcal> So it's time for the count down
20:51:23 <wilcal> T-5
20:51:28 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
20:51:31 <hviaene> Then g'night all
20:51:33 <wilcal> see you next week
20:51:36 <wilcal> T-4
20:51:43 <stroibe974> good night all
20:51:44 <wilcal> T-3
20:51:49 <wilcal> T-2
20:51:55 <wilcal> T-1
20:51:59 <wilcal> #endmeeting