20:04:25 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:04:25 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Feb 28 20:04:25 2019 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:25 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:31 <wilcal> lets lick it off 20:04:45 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:04:52 <wilcal> anyone new here today 20:05:20 <wilcal> silence 20:05:28 <Benmc> no zeke in the list, nor anyone else new 20:05:34 <wilcal> #topic M7 Beta 2, release 3 Status & Testing 20:05:58 <wilcal> It's my understanding we're in a holding pattern for the next version of Gnome 20:06:09 <kekePower> yes 20:06:10 <wilcal> I think in a week or so 20:06:53 <tmb> yep, and it will allow mesa to go final, switch to kernel 5.0, get final plasma update, ... 20:06:56 <wilcal> I tied a netinstall of M7 in a Vbox client this morning. Initially it went well then after a couple boots froze on a black screen 20:06:57 <kekePower> March 11th, wasn't it? 20:07:16 <wilcal> A full new version of Gnome 20:07:42 <wilcal> My hardware based install of M7 on Intel is solid 20:08:16 <tmb> yep, but we dont expect much issues with Gnome nowdays as it has matured nicely... (famous last words) 20:08:59 <wilcal> It does not do DRAM & Swap hogging like some parts of Plasma does 20:09:48 <MageiaTJ> I'm hoping we can get some of the ongoing problems with Vbox 6.0.x ironed out. 20:10:13 <tmb> what problems ? 20:10:48 <wilcal> Which brings up 20:10:49 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24429 20:10:51 <[mbot`> [ 24429 – The best resolution on a Vbox client I can get is 640x480 ] 20:11:26 <wilcal> So on M7 the biggest Vbox client window I can get is 640x480 20:11:32 <wilcal> A little tiny window :-)) 20:12:09 <MageiaTJ> I saw the same thing in a MGA6.1 guest created in Vbox 6.0.4. 20:12:41 <MageiaTJ> Guests created in the vbox 5.2 series display OK. 20:13:07 <wilcal> As I said lots of kernel changes in M7 so I think Vbox additions are lagging 20:13:25 <MageiaTJ> It acts like another guest additions problem. 20:13:34 <tmb> ok, will try to fire up vbox tomorrow to see if I can reproduce it... 20:14:24 <wilcal> The oxygen DRAM/Swap memory hog problem has been documented in the M7 errata page 20:14:46 <tmb> Note that vbox 6.x has reworked graphics to switch to vmvare graphics so there might still be issues needing work 20:15:03 <wilcal> But I think that's going to carry over to our next subject 20:15:18 <MageiaTJ> Speaking of which, maybe we should offer guest additions for the 6.0 series in Mageia 6. A backport, perhaps? 20:16:19 <tmb> I plan to switch Mga6 to 6.0.x too, probably after the current 4.14.104 kernel in testing is pushed out... 20:16:41 <MageiaTJ> OK, that would help. 20:17:02 <wilcal> So bottom line for M7 is waiting on Gnome and when that gets put in we'll get some new isos 20:17:16 <tmb> we did the same with mga5/6 to keep vbox in sync 20:17:35 <wilcal> Sounds like a plan 20:17:56 <wilcal> Lets move on to a related subject 20:17:59 <wilcal> #topic M6.1 CPU cycles gobbler 20:18:19 <wilcal> We've seen some chatter about this on the QA mailing list 20:18:30 <kekePower> and a possible solution 20:18:36 <wilcal> I am sensitive to memory/cpu hogging lately 20:18:52 <wilcal> I don't know if they are all related 20:19:22 <kekePower> I have 32GB of ram and my computer still uses swap after a few days 20:20:09 <wilcal> Ever see 90% of swap filled up. And that in a flash and HD running 1000 mph 20:20:45 <MageiaTJ> Sounds scary. 20:21:22 <wilcal> Yup not only that it can blow up your boot record and the drive becomes unbootable. Looks like it's powered off 20:21:58 <wilcal> DO NOT USE OXYGEN Desktop Theme in M7 Plasma. It's deadly 20:23:04 <wilcal> So there's memory leaks and cpu cycle hogging going around so be aware of it 20:23:31 <wilcal> Lets move on 20:23:32 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 20:23:48 <wilcal> with tmb here what's the status of the libreoffice update 20:24:17 <wilcal> it's on the list but can you still choose the wrong version and it becomes uninstallable 20:24:28 <wilcal> or worse 20:25:07 <kekePower> two updates that can easily be validated are bug 24303 20:25:09 <[mbot`> Bug: ['dokuwiki new version 20180422b fixes security issue with ACLs', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24303 20:25:14 <kekePower> and bug 24400 20:25:16 <[mbot`> Bug: ["kodi ship it's own bundled certificate store", 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24400 20:25:19 <kekePower> if they install, OK them 20:25:23 <kekePower> install cleanly 20:26:36 <kekePower> 24303 contains changes to one line of code, so no major things going on 20:26:46 <MageiaTJ> OK, I guess I can look into those. 20:26:52 <wilcal> so first choice on libreoffice was to support kde4, wrong choice. 2nd choice was gtk I think and that is the correct choice 20:26:55 <tmb> the libreoffice fix is partly done as the libreoffice-kde4 package is dropped, but we still need to check why meta-task rules are not followed 20:27:00 <wilcal> very confusing 20:27:40 <MageiaTJ> 2nd choice was kf5. Right for Plasma, not for other DEs. 20:27:42 <tmb> and I think dnf needs the same hinting as was done in meta-task for urpmi 20:28:16 <tmb> I will look on the issues tomorrow to see if we can improve the situation 20:28:39 <wilcal> Thanks Mag 20:28:44 <MageiaTJ> It appears to work, once installed. 20:29:14 <wilcal> I'll work the new kernel this weekend or sooner 20:30:41 <wilcal> Anything else on that list needs mentioning? 20:31:31 <MageiaTJ> Gotta go. Hay buyer just arrived. 20:31:48 <wilcal> Then lets move on 20:31:50 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 20:32:01 <wilcal> ANything else needs discussion? 20:32:22 <wilcal> Dave runs shorter meetings that I do :-)) 20:32:43 <kekePower> quality takes time 20:32:51 <wilcal> Nothing from me 20:33:16 <wilcal> So lets count it down and look forward to Gnome on the 11th 20:33:19 <wilcal> T-5 20:33:31 <wilcal> bye all 20:33:35 <wilcal> T-4 20:33:39 <wilcal> T-3 20:33:42 <kekePower> till next time 20:33:44 <wilcal> T-2 20:33:48 <wilcal> T-1 20:33:54 <wilcal> #endmeeting