20:04:25 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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20:04:31 <wilcal> lets lick it off
20:04:45 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:04:52 <wilcal> anyone new here today
20:05:20 <wilcal> silence
20:05:28 <Benmc> no zeke in the list, nor anyone else new
20:05:34 <wilcal> #topic M7 Beta 2, release 3 Status & Testing
20:05:58 <wilcal> It's my understanding we're in a holding pattern for the next version of Gnome
20:06:09 <kekePower> yes
20:06:10 <wilcal> I think in a week or so
20:06:53 <tmb> yep,  and it will allow mesa to go final, switch to kernel 5.0, get final plasma update, ...
20:06:56 <wilcal> I tied a netinstall of M7 in a Vbox client this morning. Initially it went well then after a couple boots froze on a black screen
20:06:57 <kekePower> March 11th, wasn't it?
20:07:16 <wilcal> A full new version of Gnome
20:07:42 <wilcal> My hardware based install of M7 on Intel is solid
20:08:16 <tmb> yep, but we dont expect much issues with Gnome nowdays as it has matured nicely... (famous last words)
20:08:59 <wilcal> It does not do DRAM & Swap hogging like some parts of Plasma does
20:09:48 <MageiaTJ> I'm hoping we can get some of the ongoing problems with Vbox 6.0.x ironed out.
20:10:13 <tmb> what problems ?
20:10:48 <wilcal> Which brings up
20:10:49 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24429
20:10:51 <[mbot`> [ 24429 – The best resolution on a Vbox client I can get is 640x480 ]
20:11:26 <wilcal> So on M7 the biggest Vbox client window I can get is 640x480
20:11:32 <wilcal> A little tiny window :-))
20:12:09 <MageiaTJ> I saw the same thing in a MGA6.1 guest created in Vbox 6.0.4.
20:12:41 <MageiaTJ> Guests created in the vbox 5.2 series display OK.
20:13:07 <wilcal> As I said lots of kernel changes in M7 so I think Vbox additions are lagging
20:13:25 <MageiaTJ> It acts like another guest additions problem.
20:13:34 <tmb> ok, will try to fire up vbox tomorrow to see if I can reproduce it...
20:14:24 <wilcal> The oxygen DRAM/Swap memory hog problem has been documented in the M7 errata page
20:14:46 <tmb> Note that vbox 6.x has reworked graphics to switch to vmvare graphics so there might still be issues needing work
20:15:03 <wilcal> But I think that's going to carry over to our next subject
20:15:18 <MageiaTJ> Speaking of which, maybe we should offer guest additions for the 6.0 series in Mageia 6. A backport, perhaps?
20:16:19 <tmb> I plan to switch Mga6 to 6.0.x too, probably after the current 4.14.104 kernel in testing is pushed out...
20:16:41 <MageiaTJ> OK, that would help.
20:17:02 <wilcal> So bottom line for M7 is waiting on Gnome and when that gets put in we'll get some new isos
20:17:16 <tmb> we did the same with mga5/6 to keep vbox in sync
20:17:35 <wilcal> Sounds like a plan
20:17:56 <wilcal> Lets move on to a related subject
20:17:59 <wilcal> #topic M6.1 CPU cycles gobbler
20:18:19 <wilcal> We've seen some chatter about this on the QA mailing list
20:18:30 <kekePower> and a possible solution
20:18:36 <wilcal> I am sensitive to memory/cpu hogging lately
20:18:52 <wilcal> I don't know if they are all related
20:19:22 <kekePower> I have 32GB of ram and my computer still uses swap after a few days
20:20:09 <wilcal> Ever see 90% of swap filled up. And that in a flash and HD running 1000 mph
20:20:45 <MageiaTJ> Sounds scary.
20:21:22 <wilcal> Yup not only that it can blow up your boot record and the drive becomes unbootable. Looks like it's powered off
20:21:58 <wilcal> DO NOT USE OXYGEN Desktop Theme in M7 Plasma. It's deadly
20:23:04 <wilcal> So there's memory leaks and cpu cycle hogging going around so be aware of it
20:23:31 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:23:32 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:23:48 <wilcal> with tmb here what's the status of the libreoffice update
20:24:17 <wilcal> it's on the list but can you still choose the wrong version and it becomes uninstallable
20:24:28 <wilcal> or worse
20:25:07 <kekePower> two updates that can easily be validated are bug 24303
20:25:09 <[mbot`> Bug: ['dokuwiki new version 20180422b fixes security issue with ACLs', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24303
20:25:14 <kekePower> and bug 24400
20:25:16 <[mbot`> Bug: ["kodi ship it's own bundled certificate store", 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24400
20:25:19 <kekePower> if they install, OK them
20:25:23 <kekePower> install cleanly
20:26:36 <kekePower> 24303 contains changes to one line of code, so no major things going on
20:26:46 <MageiaTJ> OK, I guess I can look into those.
20:26:52 <wilcal> so first choice on libreoffice was to support kde4, wrong choice. 2nd choice was gtk I think and that is the correct choice
20:26:55 <tmb> the libreoffice fix is partly done as the libreoffice-kde4 package is dropped, but we still need to check why meta-task rules are not followed
20:27:00 <wilcal> very confusing
20:27:40 <MageiaTJ> 2nd choice was kf5. Right for Plasma, not for other DEs.
20:27:42 <tmb> and I think dnf needs the same hinting as was done in meta-task for urpmi
20:28:16 <tmb> I will look on the issues tomorrow to see if we can improve the situation
20:28:39 <wilcal> Thanks Mag
20:28:44 <MageiaTJ> It appears to work, once installed.
20:29:14 <wilcal> I'll work the new kernel this weekend or sooner
20:30:41 <wilcal> Anything else on that list needs mentioning?
20:31:31 <MageiaTJ> Gotta go. Hay buyer just arrived.
20:31:48 <wilcal> Then lets move on
20:31:50 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:32:01 <wilcal> ANything else needs discussion?
20:32:22 <wilcal> Dave runs shorter meetings that I do :-))
20:32:43 <kekePower> quality takes time
20:32:51 <wilcal> Nothing from me
20:33:16 <wilcal> So lets count it down and look forward to Gnome on the 11th
20:33:19 <wilcal> T-5
20:33:31 <wilcal> bye all
20:33:35 <wilcal> T-4
20:33:39 <wilcal> T-3
20:33:42 <kekePower> till next time
20:33:44 <wilcal> T-2
20:33:48 <wilcal> T-1
20:33:54 <wilcal> #endmeeting