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20:01:25 <MageiaTJ> Hello, All.
20:01:41 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal
20:01:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:01:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anyone new?
20:02:09 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here today who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:02:41 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 7 beta 2 status
20:03:06 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like martinw is here for the meeting.
20:03:07 <wilcal> Just before this meeting i did a netinstall from a just updated reo
20:03:18 <wilcal> I have his message from today
20:03:32 <wilcal> and the install went fine but still has the qt problems
20:03:52 <wilcal> Here's Martins message
20:03:54 <wilcal> Martin today: Note that the original bug was fixed, but the recent update to Qt 5.12.1 introduced new problems. The current beta2 ISOs contain Qt 5.12.0, so aren't affected by this latest bug - until you update.
20:04:10 <DavidWHodgins> I'm hoping the qt bug can be fixed quickly. I don't like the idea of releasing iso images where the bug shows up as soon as updates are installed.
20:04:14 <wilcal> and it does that with a netinstall
20:04:55 <wilcal> I have the latest M7 x86_64 Plasma iso on an write protected SD chip and that works just fine
20:05:08 <MageiaTJ> Seems like as soon as we get one Plasma/QT bug fixed another shows up.
20:05:35 <wilcal> David do you have any insight into this?
20:05:46 <DavidWHodgins> There's also been some discussion in the dev ml about updating gnome and kde soon. As the next iso after beta2 is supposed to be the release candidate, I don't like this.
20:06:05 <wilcal> hello tmb
20:06:06 <bri_an> seems like a lot of change right before RC
20:06:15 <tmb> hi
20:06:18 <wilcal> I think we have at least another round of beta 2
20:06:27 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I only know what's been posted to the various mailing lists
20:06:48 <MageiaTJ> But would a big change soon after RC be much better?
20:07:22 <wilcal> We can't do that especially since it becomes unusable
20:07:43 <tmb> what big change ?
20:07:48 <bri_an> well - it is always a matter of perspective.  I see major changes as needing more beta testing.  As we all say "it is ready when it is ready"
20:08:03 <wilcal> especially qt
20:08:11 <DavidWHodgins> MageiaTJ: The thing about getting them in before the RC would be having the updates on the live iso images. RC release follows version freeze
20:08:27 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: gnome and kde updates
20:08:33 <bri_an> tmb:  discussion of major changes to gnome and kde
20:08:52 <MageiaTJ> tmb: Dave mention chatter on the dev list about updating gnome and kde.
20:09:57 <DavidWHodgins> On the dev mailing list it's been suggesed to update kde and gnome after beta 2 iso images have been released. That means the only iso images before final, with the new kde and gnome would be the RC iso images
20:10:27 <DavidWHodgins> Unless we hold releasing beta2 until those changes are in, or add a 3rd beta.
20:10:35 <MageiaTJ> Unless it was decided a beta 3 is needed.
20:10:40 <tmb> ah. well looking at qt / plasma issues right now if we release current beta2 isos now, I think we'll need a beta3 to try to get it in a releasable state...
20:11:03 <wilcal> Hold that decision on how this latest qt wrinkle gets ironed out
20:11:09 <tmb> And I was the one starting the chatter on dev@ :)
20:11:50 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That's what I'm thinking. Give them a few days to try to get it started, and then discuss it on the dev and council mailing lists.
20:11:52 <tmb> Since we got kwin sort of fixed on current beta2 isos, and now it falls apart with the qt update :/
20:11:56 <MageiaTJ> tmb: Ah.
20:12:25 <wilcal> Take out the qt problems and M7 is in pretty good shape
20:12:37 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
20:13:10 <DavidWHodgins> Let's give it a few days then, and see what happens.
20:13:32 <MageiaTJ> I've been using it on my HP Probook since late December.
20:13:34 <tmb> That's why I suggested to switch gnome to new branch as if we release it April with "outdated" Gnome, we'll get beeting by reviewers over that too :/... otoh we cant make everyone happy
20:14:58 <tmb> The thing that speaks for Gnome update is that is now have a track record of being pretty stable even with version bumps...
20:15:02 <DavidWHodgins> tmb True. I'm just concerned with such a large update just before RC release. I'd be ok with it if we either hold beta2 until then, or add a beta3.
20:15:32 <wilcal> add beta 3
20:15:43 <DavidWHodgins> We've almost always had problems with file conflicts after such an update, for upgrades from the prior release
20:15:43 <kekePower> I agree
20:16:08 <tmb> Yeah I'm not demanding it, but I'm trying to figure out a way to "make some noise" with mga7 release with a lot of updated stuff :)
20:16:12 <wilcal> Except for Red Hat Mageia may be the most conservative distro out there
20:16:38 <MageiaTJ> Not necessarily a Bad Thing.
20:16:41 <DavidWHodgins> I'll make that suggestion then on the council ml that we add a beta 3, and alter the schedule to allow including those updates.
20:17:06 <wilcal> agreed
20:17:14 <MageiaTJ> Sounds good.
20:17:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic QA Team 2019 election results
20:18:10 <DavidWHodgins> As discussed on the ml, since no other nominations were forth coming, we'll continue with the same leadership, by acclimation.
20:18:27 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:18:43 <wilcal> Lots of OK's
20:19:10 <DavidWHodgins> We're in good shape there, though people need to be less afraid of validating the updates after oking them.
20:19:55 <DavidWHodgins> I'll go through the ones with OK's later today or tomorrow, add the advisories to svn, and validate the updates.
20:20:10 <DavidWHodgins> That only leaves ...
20:20:15 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:20:27 <kekePower> tons of old stuff in updates_testing
20:20:56 <MageiaTJ> Yes, would be nice if some housekeeping is done.
20:21:04 <wilcal> I'm finished and freezing ( in the 30's ) in Sin CIty USA
20:21:46 <bri_an> nothing here
20:21:47 <DavidWHodgins> Not a high priority, but yes it should be cleaned up.
20:22:06 <DavidWHodgins> Short meeting today then. Countdown time
20:22:09 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
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20:22:17 <wilcal> bye all
20:22:17 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:22:24 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone.
20:22:31 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting