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20:04:23 <MageiaTJ> Yes. "Feels" colder when it isn't, though
20:04:42 <wilcal> Hello all for another qa meeting
20:04:53 <kekePower> A few days ago we had clear skies and -18c
20:05:03 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:05:09 <wilcal> anyone new here today?
20:05:46 <wilcal> fwiw it's nicely comfortable here in Sin CIty USA
20:06:33 <wilcal> Lets move to the main topic today
20:06:34 <wilcal> #topic M7 Beta 2, New Status & Testing
20:06:52 <wilcal> So Martin released new CI's last night
20:07:06 <MageiaTJ> I've only done one install so far, but it looks OK.
20:07:33 <wilcal> I have a successful UEFI install on real Intel hardware and had no problems with the Plasma desktop
20:07:52 <wilcal> No problems with the basic system
20:08:01 <wilcal> Hi bri
20:08:17 <wilcal> we're talking about the new CI's of M7
20:08:20 <bri_an> Hi Wilcal
20:08:57 <MageiaTJ> I saw some flickering on an nvidia340 system using nouveau, but it was about the same as I saw with MGA 6 Plasma.
20:09:12 <MageiaTJ> Switching to Xrender cleared it up.
20:09:55 <wilcal> so initial look it's pretty clean
20:09:58 <hviaene> Can someone post the solution again to force the installation of the desktop586 insteaddofthen usual 32-bit desktop
20:10:12 <wilcal> please file bugs using 7beta2 in keywords
20:10:24 <wilcal> komposer still is broken
20:10:52 <Benmc> thats at least 3 bugs from me so far
20:10:57 <wilcal> I have a question for all on how LibreOffice works
20:11:30 <MageiaTJ> hviane: I don't remember how to do that with the CI.
20:11:48 <Benmc> wilcal. ok?
20:12:19 <wilcal> So drag either the writer or the calc icon from the menu to the desktop
20:12:30 <wilcal> That works ok
20:12:42 <wilcal> We're good with that process right?
20:12:52 <MageiaTJ> Yes.
20:13:08 <wilcal> So now we have a Writer icon on the desktop
20:13:08 <Benmc> not a function I use, but yep
20:13:20 <wilcal> also it's a link
20:13:38 <bri_an> ok all make sense
20:13:42 <tarazed> Mine is in the panel on Mate
20:13:59 <Benmc> guess this is in Plasma?
20:14:00 <wilcal> Now simply right button clock on either icon and rename it to lets say "calc"
20:14:11 <wilcal> Yes but I think it's everywhere
20:14:34 <wilcal> the click on the icon to launch lets say calc
20:14:42 <wilcal> the app blows up
20:14:58 <Benmc> what, smoke and flames and everything?
20:15:00 <wilcal> A whole bunch of code gets displayed in a window
20:15:38 <wilcal> sometimes locks the whole shebang up and you've got to do a ctrl-backspace to get out of it
20:15:46 <wilcal> give it a try
20:16:03 <wilcal> Should'nt do that right?
20:16:05 <tarazed> Just did the rename and it launched OK - LO writer -> word processor
20:16:36 <wilcal> It's ok in M6 but seems not ok in M7
20:16:45 <tarazed> Ahh.
20:16:47 <Benmc> this real h/w or vb?
20:16:58 <wilcal> I don't think this is limited to just Writer
20:17:06 <wilcal> all platforms Ben
20:17:42 <wilcal> I'll generate a basic bug and lets see who else sees it
20:19:05 <bri_an> that sounds interesting.  That was on Plasma?
20:19:18 <wilcal> So it shouldn't do this right. You should be able to rename an icon on the desktop
20:19:38 <Benmc> its opening in kwrite?
20:19:40 <bri_an> yes - a user should be able to name a link anyway they want
20:19:43 <wilcal> Yes, on Plasma but I think it does the same thing on Mate
20:20:42 <Benmc> works for me
20:20:45 <bri_an> but they have to keep the original reference the same.  Anything else will break stuff
20:20:53 <Benmc> opens writer
20:21:11 <Benmc> plasma desktop
20:21:19 <wilcal> THis also does not work: libreoffice --calc  /home/wilcal/test/file.ods
20:21:27 <hviaene> I justtried it, noproblem at all
20:21:53 <wilcal> anyway so we agree that one should be able to rename a desktop icon and the app should launch normally
20:21:58 <bri_an> I wonder if you somehow renamed the original object?
20:22:11 <tarazed> I just tried it in Cauldron Mate and it was OK here too.
20:22:22 <Benmc> did come up with a warning fiorst tho, do you trust this programme
20:22:45 <tarazed> Not here though.
20:22:52 <hviaene> yes I saw that too
20:23:40 <MageiaTJ> I just tried it, and when I renamed it suddenly became identified as a text document. Opened with Kwrite.
20:23:40 <wilcal> Anyway I'll generate the bug and define it there
20:23:57 <wilcal> EXACTLY MageiaT
20:24:01 <wilcal> That's the problem
20:24:26 <wilcal> Something fishy here
20:24:35 <tarazed> Definitely.
20:25:06 <wilcal> And I don't think it's just with Libre apps
20:25:07 <bri_an> hmm when you renamed, I bet you broke the suffix reference.  So, may have renamed the original object?
20:26:40 <wilcal> Anyway thanks for the help and a little confirmation here
20:26:45 <wilcal> so I'll create the bug
20:26:46 <hviaene> wilcal, did you use the renae operation? I always do such things via "Propeties".
20:26:53 <hviaene> rename
20:27:06 <hviaene> Properties
20:27:18 <wilcal> Oooo maybe that's it. I just right click on the icon and you can rename it there
20:27:22 <wilcal> not in the properties
20:27:45 <tarazed> i used rename
20:28:04 <wilcal> It's a pretty basic function
20:29:09 <wilcal> Any other standouts in M7 Beta 2
20:29:09 <hviaene> even with rename the shortcut works OK here
20:29:38 <wilcal> works on some platforms and not on others
20:30:50 <wilcal> in the properties you can change the command to launch the app with a file and that does not seem to work either
20:30:54 <hviaene> As soon as this meeting is over, I'll do a Plasma - MATE 64-bit installation
20:31:12 <wilcal> go for it
20:31:59 <wilcal> also my working install of M7 had about 450 updates today
20:32:03 <tarazed> Yes - I have just finished doing that on this machine.
20:32:21 <wilcal> everything went fine
20:33:47 <wilcal> So lets move on
20:33:49 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
20:34:18 <wilcal> List is down to one item
20:34:37 <wilcal> The Vbox update went through here without a problem
20:34:44 <wilcal> I always worry about that one
20:35:23 <MageiaTJ> Good job on the testing, Len and Herman.
20:35:31 <wilcal> Our heros
20:35:39 <tarazed> I had to drop gitolite - not getting anywhere after two days - before the update.
20:36:02 <MageiaTJ> James Kerr and PC_LX deserve credit, too.
20:36:05 <wilcal> If it installs clean they push it on
20:36:25 <wilcal> We've a great crew working on update
20:36:26 <tarazed> I guess so
20:36:29 <wilcal> updates
20:36:44 <tarazed> clean install
20:36:52 <wilcal> There's a kernel update lurking around the corner
20:37:06 <wilcal> It's already in the testing_updates but not posted yet
20:37:13 <tarazed> Who is doing the kernels now?
20:37:29 <wilcal> That I don't know
20:37:44 <wilcal> It's good that someone will take that away from tmb
20:38:29 <wilcal> Anything else in updates
20:39:39 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:39:40 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:39:57 <MageiaTJ> Yes. Team elections
20:40:15 <tarazed> Looks like a landslide
20:40:38 <wilcal> Team, council and Board elections
20:40:53 <wilcal> Who's in charge? :-))
20:40:54 <kekePower> I've posted on #mageia-dev about kernels, but haven't gotten any response
20:40:59 <kekePower> yet
20:41:21 <wilcal> Somebody'll pick it up
20:41:47 <MageiaTJ> Dave posted that nominations will be accepted until Sunday. So far, the current team have all thrown hats into the ring. Anyone else who wants to should do so, soon.
20:41:56 <kekePower> running 4.20.6 on my machines now, compiled from the works of tmb
20:42:27 <MageiaTJ> Dave's post was about QA.
20:42:37 <wilcal> Is the process of generating these kernals a complex process?
20:42:48 <kekePower> wilcal: Yes and no
20:43:05 <kekePower> Yes, because I don't know how tmb picked patches to include
20:43:21 <kekePower> No, because I've been compiling kernels since 1996
20:43:48 <wilcal> Seem like something someone could put on their Resume'
20:45:28 <wilcal> Anything else?
20:45:43 <kekePower> regarding kompozer
20:45:57 <wilcal> Oh ya that's still broke as of today
20:46:00 <kekePower> if working only using the keyboard, it should work fine
20:46:27 <kekePower> I may propose to drop it since it's basically dead upstream
20:46:31 <wilcal> Yes, seems like a mouse over thing
20:46:56 <wilcal> but it's the only wysisywig html editor we have
20:47:10 <kekePower> that's why I'm also searching for a replacement
20:47:22 <kekePower> just found this https://github.com/summernote/summernote
20:47:23 <[mbot> [ GitHub - summernote/summernote: Super simple WYSIWYG editor ]
20:47:24 <wilcal> A replacement would be great
20:47:32 <kekePower> will take a look at it one of these days
20:47:54 <wilcal> Does it already work on M6?
20:48:15 <kekePower> we don't have it in our repos
20:48:26 <wilcal> Let's talk about it next week
20:48:38 <wilcal> I'll see if I can get it to work here
20:48:44 <kekePower> but as a side-note, seamonkey comes with a wysiwyg
20:49:22 <wilcal> I'll give that a try too
20:49:40 <wilcal> anything else
20:50:51 <wilcal> Then it's count down time
20:50:55 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
20:50:57 <hviaene> Not here, g'night all
20:51:01 <wilcal> T-5
20:51:06 <wilcal> T-4
20:51:10 <wilcal> T-3
20:51:13 <tarazed> Bye everybody
20:51:14 <wilcal> T-2
20:51:16 <wilcal> bye all
20:51:19 <wilcal> T-1
20:51:36 <wilcal> #endmeeting