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20:05:08 <wilcal> Hello your the man today
20:05:13 <wilcal> lkool
20:05:33 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal MageiaTJ
20:05:33 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MageiaTJ wilcal
20:05:42 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:05:58 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:06:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 7 beta 2 status
20:06:56 <DavidWHodgins> Still waiting for a fix for the kde graphics issue as I understand it.
20:06:57 <wilcal> I just before this meeting executed an M7 Vbox install from netinstall
20:07:01 <wilcal> and that went well
20:07:30 <MageiaTJ> It looks like the issue may have been solved.
20:07:37 <wilcal> I think it's starting to feel back on track
20:07:42 <wilcal> hi bri
20:07:55 <stroibe974> same here : beta2 works fine in VB.
20:08:13 <DavidWHodgins> It's bug 24060 that's holding things up
20:08:14 <wilcal> Yes so the changes should be in the distro soo
20:08:14 <[mbot> Bug: ['Qt 5.12 & Plasma 5.14.4 & KF 5.53 update causes Plasma desktop screen to flicker when OpenGL compositing background is used (when using intel or nouveau video drivers)', 'NEW', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24060
20:08:31 <stroibe974> I'm having the same issue with iptables on the cauldron I have installed on my laptop
20:08:37 <MageiaTJ> Last few tests on that bug have all been positive.
20:08:45 <bri_an> Hi all
20:09:01 <wilcal> So things are looking much better then a week ago
20:09:34 <DavidWHodgins> In cauldron, latest kde updates are in updates testing, so wouldn't be included in new iso images.
20:10:05 <DavidWHodgins> I think as soon as those have been pushed to core, then we should go ahead with building beta 2
20:10:16 <wilcal> Martin will not build new isos until the qt thing is behind us
20:10:30 <wilcal> By this weekend?
20:10:39 <DavidWHodgins> Which the updates testing kde build will hopefully fix
20:11:06 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure of time table. WIll ask on the dev mailing list
20:11:10 <hviaene> Hi all
20:11:18 <kekePower> Hi Herman
20:11:21 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Herman
20:11:30 <MageiaTJ> Hi, Herman
20:11:34 <wilcal> Hello Herman
20:12:21 <DavidWHodgins> An more questions or comments about beta 2?
20:12:33 <stroibe974> votes for Mga 7 artwork are ending on 27th, maybe we could have the new artwork for beta3 ?
20:12:57 <stroibe974> or release candidate?
20:12:57 <hviaene> New ISOs??
20:13:09 <wilcal> Just new Beta 2
20:13:12 <DavidWHodgins> After beta 2, the next iso images are supposed to be the RC candidate images
20:13:47 <wilcal> But we've got to have an installable Beta 2 isos on Intel platforms
20:14:06 <wilcal> without tweeking the Kwinrc file
20:14:53 <DavidWHodgins> Timing is beta 2 iso images get released, wait about 2 weeks for problems to be identified and fixed, then version freeze followed by the RC iso images. One week later release freeze and final iso images.
20:15:30 <Pharaoh_Atem> oops
20:15:35 <Pharaoh_Atem> I was in the wrong channel :)
20:15:42 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:15:53 <wilcal> So look'n like a Feb release if all goes well
20:16:22 <Pharaoh_Atem> for mga7/cauldron, I still have a few things left on my docket to finish
20:16:28 <DavidWHodgins> Just reviewing beta 2. Currently waiting for bug 24060 to be fixed, kde updates in cauldron to be pushed to core, and then beta 2 iso release
20:16:30 <[mbot> Bug: ['Qt 5.12 & Plasma 5.14.4 & KF 5.53 update causes Plasma desktop screen to flicker when OpenGL compositing background is used (when using intel or nouveau video drivers)', 'NEW', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24060
20:16:35 <rindolf> wilcal: a stable release?
20:16:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> getting udisks2, dracut, and maybe systemd updated
20:16:52 <Pharaoh_Atem> and dnfdragora updated
20:17:10 <Pharaoh_Atem> especially since I cut a new release of it last week
20:17:24 <DavidWHodgins> Any eta? Those are low level enough to be worth holding off beta 2 release for.
20:17:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm trying to get it all done within the next 7 days
20:17:48 <wilcal> The Kompozer thing is still broken
20:18:07 <Pharaoh_Atem> DavidWHodgins: I'm trying really hard to make sure we're on supported and maintained versions of everything for mga7 release
20:18:10 <Bequimao> What is Kompozer?
20:18:34 <wilcal> ffmpeg is at 4.x and that's REALLY important
20:18:35 <Pharaoh_Atem> Bequimao: Kompozer is a HTML editor tool
20:18:36 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Try installing the packages from cauldron updates testingto see if they fix that
20:18:51 <wilcal> Thanks
20:19:02 <Bequimao> But it is not KDE stuff.
20:19:05 <DavidWHodgins> Pharaoh_Atem: Appreciated.
20:19:22 <kekePower> Pharaoh_Atem: If you need help or a tester, I've free time.
20:19:36 <Pharaoh_Atem> kekePower: thanks, I'll let you know if I need anything :)
20:19:45 <Pharaoh_Atem> I was hoping Flatpak 1.2 would be out by now, too
20:19:46 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23628
20:19:48 <[mbot> [ 23628 – kompozer segfaults when cursor moved out of (or into) the HTML text window ]
20:19:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'd like to rebase cauldron to that
20:20:31 <Bequimao> The iptables issue is solved? I could not upgrade because of iptables.
20:20:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> not sure
20:20:53 <kekePower> I cringe every time I see iptables
20:20:58 <Pharaoh_Atem> but the fallout from that... :(
20:21:03 <DavidWHodgins> I really dislike the concept of flatpaks. It's a security nightmare just encouraging people to keep using old unpatched versions of some packages
20:21:14 <Pharaoh_Atem> DavidWHodgins: I know, I'm not the biggest fan of them myself
20:21:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> but GNOME and KDE are *really* pushing for distros to ship *something* so that they can target them
20:22:07 <Pharaoh_Atem> flatpak is orders of magnitude easier to integrate
20:23:14 <DavidWHodgins> I know. While we have to support the use of flatpaks by those who choose to use them, I'm hoping Mageia will never provide any flatpaks.
20:23:50 <kekePower> flatpacks are good for Electron apps
20:23:54 <DavidWHodgins> It would vastly increase the security maintenance and qa testing
20:24:58 <DavidWHodgins> The problem is that instead of a cve affecting one lib package, it affects many flatpaks that each have to be updated and tested.
20:25:10 <stroibe974> I don't like flatpaks either, but many requests on bugzilla just end up with answers such as "use the AppImage file available on the official website
20:25:10 <Pharaoh_Atem> if we ever made flatpaks, I'd rather them be built from our distro packages as inputs
20:25:19 <Pharaoh_Atem> similar to what Fedora is working on
20:25:33 <Pharaoh_Atem> then at least we could reasonably keep the runtimes and shared libs up to date
20:25:36 <DavidWHodgins> I think we should require that.
20:25:57 <DavidWHodgins> With the exception of nonfree packages we only install source we control.
20:26:01 <Pharaoh_Atem> right
20:26:03 <kekePower> why should we offer flatpacks? Isn't the ones provided on flathub "good enough"?
20:26:37 <DavidWHodgins> Sure, but we should discourage there use due to the security issues
20:26:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> the real advantage of a distro is identifying high quality software for people to use and enjoy
20:27:37 <DavidWHodgins> Our users are free to install flatpaks for things not provided by Mageia, but should be encouraged to use Mageia packages where available. Makes support much easier
20:27:44 <Pharaoh_Atem> indeed
20:27:51 <Pharaoh_Atem> we can only support what we know
20:28:11 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, let's leave that discussion for a more appropriate time and place.
20:28:25 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Any problems?
20:28:40 <wilcal> Yes, Grrrrrrrr.....
20:28:55 <DavidWHodgins> A big thanks to everyone who has been helping to keep the list down
20:29:03 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Go ahead
20:29:05 <wilcal> I just put my notes in the Virtualbox bug lloks good
20:29:32 <wilcal> But, sitting in the updates_testing repo and not yet listed is a kernel update
20:29:55 <wilcal> that plays hell with testing Vbox on real nvidia hardware
20:30:06 <wilcal> if you make one mistake you blow up the install
20:30:12 <wilcal> comletely
20:30:13 <DavidWHodgins> The testing of the vb update should be done (mostly) with the currently released kernel, not with the updates testing kernel.
20:30:37 <wilcal> but if you choose the next kernel whatever you can blow things up
20:30:43 <hviaene> I don't have much hair left, but git is pulling all the rest out.
20:30:46 <wilcal> just wanted to make everyone aware of that
20:31:13 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That's because the kernel update is not ready for qa testing. The kmod updates haven't been included.
20:31:17 <wilcal> usually kernel and vbox are not in the updates_testing repo at the same time
20:31:29 <wilcal> but the MCC still sees it
20:31:55 <DavidWHodgins> Boot the old kernel for testing vb.
20:32:20 <hviaene> gitolite that is
20:32:24 <wilcal> ya I've worked around it but you got to tippy toe through the testing process
20:32:29 <DavidWHodgins> There is no point testing with the new kernel until the kmod updates are done
20:32:44 <DavidWHodgins> testing vb that is
20:33:05 <wilcal> Anyway I think that new Vbox version is ready to go
20:33:10 <MageiaTJ> tmb probaly won't release a new kernel until the VB update is cleared.
20:33:21 <wilcal> please
20:33:37 <MageiaTJ> Len has been having a lot of trouble with it.
20:34:14 <DavidWHodgins> MageiaTJ: tmb has decided to take a break from packaging
20:34:39 <MageiaTJ> Ah. I hadn't seen that.
20:34:52 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure who will be handling kernel update now. Will have to wait and see.
20:36:07 <wilcal> It would be really really good if someone took that away from him
20:36:14 <DavidWHodgins> My own testing of vb has been ok. I'll validate that update after the meeting. The kernel will have to wait in updates testing until the kmod updates are available too
20:36:44 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions or comments about updates awaiting testing?
20:36:50 <wilcal> not from me
20:37:10 <bri_an> nothing here
20:37:35 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:38:00 <wilcal> My M7 on real Intel UEFI hardware Plasma is looking really good again
20:38:14 <hviaene> Has anyone had success with Plasma and two screens?
20:38:16 <wilcal> The new Handbrake is OUTSTANDING
20:39:02 <wilcal> The new M7 ffmpeg 4.x handles some really new Codecs
20:39:20 <hviaene> It sorts of works, but the display on the beamer is vibrating vertically;
20:40:06 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: From the discussions I've seen on the dev ml, it's ok, just different desktop environments have different defaults so give the appearance of problems where it's just default settings that have to be changed
20:41:25 <hviaene> OK, I'll fiddle a bit with the parmeters
20:41:47 <stroibe974> any news about how the gnome team are dealing with the legacy tray?
20:42:32 <DavidWHodgins> stroibe974: Not anything I've heard about it.
20:43:05 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time to end the meeting if there's nothing else.
20:43:09 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
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20:43:16 <MageiaTJ> Oh, almost forgot... There's a couple of updates that require special hardware.
20:43:16 <wilcal> FWIW My new Qnap NAS and my Mageia platforms are a marrage made in heaven. Both work wonderfully well together. The Qnap NFS implementation works perfect with Mageia 6 & 7.
20:43:18 <stroibe974> shouldn't this be a release blocker? gnome users will keep seeing strange error messages because of this legacy tray
20:43:24 <hviaene> G'night all
20:43:29 <wilcal> night all
20:43:41 <wilcal> Thanks for being here Dave
20:44:09 <DavidWHodgins> MageiaTJ: If they require special hardware, ask on the qa list. If no-one steps up within a couple of days, validate the update as long as it installs cleanly over the prior version.
20:44:24 <MageiaTJ> I did that already.
20:44:32 <MageiaTJ> Asked.
20:44:45 <DavidWHodgins> Then go ahead and mark them ok and validate, if they install cleanly.
20:44:53 <MageiaTJ> OK.
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20:45:28 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. See you next week.
20:45:32 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting