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20:12:25 <MageiaTJ> #Who's New?
20:12:34 <Benmc> meetbot is working today
20:12:39 <MageiaTJ> #topic Who's new
20:13:15 <Benmc> stroibe974?
20:13:16 <stroibe974> I'm new! I've been part of the docteam for a few month and I just joined QA as an ISO tester
20:13:20 <MageiaTJ> Anybody here who hasn't attended a QA meeting before?
20:13:52 <MageiaTJ> Ah. Tell us a bit about yourself, and we'll do the same.
20:14:20 <stroibe974> I pointed out that mga7-beta-1 doesn't use azerty layout when selecting the French keyboard
20:15:05 <stroibe974> well, I'm French... I've been a user of Mageia since Mageia 1, and a Mandriva... hmmm a Mandrake user before that ;)
20:15:51 <Bequimao> The French keyboard is borked anyway ... does not contain all necessary keystrokes.
20:16:11 <stroibe974> if you are on the doc-discuss ML, you've already seen a message from me, inviting everyone to give their opinion about a new version of Mageia Welcome
20:16:23 <MageiaTJ> I'm a farmer in Central New York State, USA. I've been using Mandrake/Mandriva/Mandriva since 2002, and have been on the QA team since Mageia 4.
20:17:12 <MageiaTJ> Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia. Sigh. Brain is too fast for fingers.
20:17:15 <tarazed> I'm a retired astronomer/computer programmer in Edinburgh Scotland, been in IT for over 50 years.
20:17:54 <tarazed> Yeah, RedHat -> Mandrake 7.2
20:18:09 <Benmc> Im  a electronics technician from waikato, NZ, like many others a Mandrake => Mandriva => Mageia user. been with QA since Mga4 too
20:18:50 <hviaene> I am a retired programmer/system analyst from Belgium - Antwerp
20:19:16 <MageiaTJ> I was one of those hit with the bug that caused us to issue Mageia 4.1. I volunteered as a tester for that iso.
20:19:30 <hviaene> In computers since 1971
20:20:29 <Bequimao> I am also a retired programmer from Germany. My nick refers to Brazil.
20:20:55 <MageiaTJ> Is that everyone?
20:20:56 <Benmc> im just tired :)
20:21:21 <MageiaTJ> Being a farmer, I can't retire until forced to.
20:21:42 <MageiaTJ> :)
20:21:44 <Benmc> I dont think my customers will let me
20:22:16 <Benmc> moving right along:
20:22:32 <MageiaTJ> #topic Mageia 7 isos
20:23:20 <MageiaTJ> From what I see, this set has been the most troble-free first effort in a long time.
20:23:32 <hviaene> Am I the only one trying to run on a real i586 platform??
20:23:38 <MageiaTJ> troble=trouble
20:23:56 <tarazed> Yes they run like clockwork.  The only problem here is proprietary nvidia drivers.
20:24:04 <MageiaTJ> I haven't tried my old Inspiron yet.
20:24:29 <MageiaTJ> No problem here with the nvidia340 driver.
20:24:31 <Benmc> mostly good so far
20:24:43 <hviaene> My IBM Thinkpad installs, but then does not boot at all
20:24:47 <tarazed> Mine are next generation on.
20:25:04 <Benmc> just had an upgrade fail :(  but this is expected.
20:25:44 <stroibe974> I've tested the classical iso and the Live-KDE only, so far... in virtualbox
20:26:02 <tarazed> hviane: you don't get to the grub2 menu?
20:26:09 <Benmc> k3b doesnt like the x86-64 .iso. errors at 98%
20:26:20 <MageiaTJ> hviaene: Have you tried the VESA video driver? My Inspiron needs that to use Plasma.
20:26:31 <stroibe974> I haven't tested them on my 64bits laptop yet
20:26:45 <hviaene> yes, that one, but then selecting M7 nothing happens anymore
20:27:27 <Benmc> starting the install from windows 10( shudder)  does the shutdown and reboot to disk - ok
20:27:53 <Benmc> i had to dig out a discarded drive
20:27:55 <tarazed> hviane: can you get to a console at all (Ctrl-Alt-F2)
20:28:22 <tarazed> Or try runlevel 3?
20:28:34 <hviaene> TJ: then I have to do the installation all over again to force the video driver to VESA??
20:29:01 <hviaene> tarazed: nothing moves, nada, niente
20:29:19 <tarazed> If you can egt to a console you might be able to use XFdrake/drakx11
20:29:32 <hviaene> no disk acitivity whatsoever
20:30:14 <tarazed> Not even the editor at the menu selsection?
20:30:44 <hviaene> I didn't try that one.
20:31:24 <tarazed> That way you can try to reach runlevel 3.
20:31:25 <Benmc> dd you try advanced options=> recovery?
20:31:27 <hviaene> But my exissting M6 from the same grub2 menu works OK
20:32:39 <MageiaTJ> I was going to try my Inspiron, but then decided to hold off for the next round of isos.
20:33:27 <tarazed> Wifi trouble with an old workstation so I shall try a laptop next.
20:33:35 <MageiaTJ> Have you tried editing the M7 kernel options to remove "splash quiet?"
20:34:07 <hviaene> No, will do next time
20:34:17 <MageiaTJ> Might give an idea where it's hanging up.
20:34:29 <tarazed> Good idea.
20:34:38 <Bequimao> I cannot install networkmanager  using dnf. I get multiple checksum errors. It should work, as the same version is installed and working in another instance.
20:36:13 <Benmc> Bequimao: have you tried another mirror?
20:36:51 <Bequimao> dnf tries all mirrors. Message is all mirrors tried.
20:38:02 <Bequimao> I assume that urpmi works. dnf metadata are corrupted.
20:38:49 <hviaene> Removed splash quiet, floods screen with messages, last screen full of "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL dereference pointer at 0000046
20:39:23 <Benmc> tmb: welcome
20:40:54 <MageiaTJ> hviaene: That one's above my pay grade.
20:41:48 <hviaene> TJ: what do you think I feel like???
20:42:51 <MageiaTJ> Yeah. I know. Just trying to inject a bit of humor. Sorry if I touched a nerve.
20:44:23 <hviaene> Not at all. I got the point
20:45:25 <MageiaTJ> OK, I will try the Inspiron later. What DE did you install?
20:45:54 <stroibe974> I tried KDE and Gnome
20:46:13 <hviaene> Tried Xfce and MATE each on a separate installation try.
20:46:23 <MageiaTJ> I meant hviaene.
20:46:35 <stroibe974> ooops sorry :)
20:46:46 <MageiaTJ> No problem.
20:47:21 <MageiaTJ> Just trying to duplicate his situation, if I can.
20:47:47 <hviaene> I wouldn't dream of trying to install Plasma on this little thingy
20:48:01 <stroibe974> by the way, I noticed that a few icons don't look very nice on Gnome: you can see the screenshots in the message that I sent to the French MLO forums : https://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic-25644+donner-un-coup-de-jeune-aux-icones.php
20:48:04 <[mbot> [ Donner un coup de jeune aux icônes - Forum - MLO ]
20:48:52 <tmb> hviaene, that is a kernel crash
20:50:10 <tmb> hviaene, I hope the next kernel will work better...
20:50:15 <hviaene> tmb: That doesn't look good
20:50:54 <hviaene> tmb: so your advice is: give up on this one???
20:51:37 <tmb> hviaene, yep, if it cant boot on your hw, no point in fighting it
20:51:50 <MageiaTJ> That could very well be hardware dependent, right? Meaning, it might work on my machine when it doesn't on his.
20:52:05 <tmb> MageiaTJ, yes
20:52:07 <hviaene> Damn, I like a good fight
20:53:35 <MageiaTJ> Anything more on M7?
20:53:45 <Benmc> just met a new (minor issue). grub2 not updating when install trigered from windows. default boot is last boot ie, windows
20:54:58 <Benmc> sould have included when replaceing existing mageia install
20:55:09 <Bequimao> Benmc: UEFI?
20:55:18 <Benmc> no, MBR
20:56:50 <Benmc> my upgrade (continue) just completed
20:57:49 <MageiaTJ> Shall we move on?
20:57:53 <Benmc> yep
20:58:19 <stroibe974> ok
20:58:22 <MageiaTJ> #topic Testing Updates: Any problems or questions?
20:58:53 <MageiaTJ> List is much shorter this week.
20:58:56 <hviaene> None, apart that I seem to attract all od cases these days
20:59:16 <hviaene> od=odd
20:59:57 <tarazed> There are always problems - yaml-cpp could be ready to go.  Herman may have a hardware bug.
21:01:19 <MageiaTJ> Only problem I have is I often don't have the skills to do a proper test.
21:01:51 <Bequimao> What to do with yum-utils? I have dismissed everything that looks like yum as obsolete.
21:02:40 <hviaene> tarazed: a hardware bug that only manifests on this package. I'm sceptical, but i don't have another explanation as is now.
21:07:52 <hviaene> Everybody dropped out?? I see no action for 5 min. now
21:07:58 <MageiaTJ> I can check some, like libpng, for function, but I usually can't check to see if the security hole is plugged.
21:08:13 <hviaene> Oh, OK
21:09:01 <MageiaTJ> It seems we have little to say.
21:09:37 <MageiaTJ> Moving on...
21:09:50 <MageiaTJ> #topic Anything Else?
21:10:03 <hviaene> OK, I have to go anyway, g'night all
21:11:08 <tarazed> Goodbye, and have a good Thanksgiving in the USA.
21:12:02 <MageiaTJ> New Plasma packages, bugfixes here and there, I think it best to wait for the new M& isos before doing much more with that.
21:12:21 <MageiaTJ> M7. Sigh.
21:12:56 <Benmc> age and infirmity and all that?
21:12:59 <stroibe974> when are the beta-2 ISOs  to be released?
21:13:06 <MageiaTJ> I suppose.
21:13:35 <MageiaTJ> No idea. That's a question for Martin.
21:13:51 <MageiaTJ> When they're ready? (Ducking)
21:13:55 <Benmc> Martin is looking at some installer reports, so probably when he has fixed them
21:14:21 <Bequimao> Looks like Martin has a fulltime job ...
21:14:25 <stroibe974> We've got a new Mageia Welcome coming soon, it would be nice if it could be shipped with M7 :)
21:14:38 <Benmc> also QT5 update is coming soon, so tat may also have a bearing on when we see some new .isos
21:16:08 <Benmc> theer is also a re-vamp of isodumper too, to include an option to have persistence now that is available for the live .isos
21:17:08 <stroibe974> yes, papoteur is very busy with that, too!
21:18:16 <Benmc> hopefully to be released in tandem with M7
21:18:38 <MageiaTJ> Anything else?
21:18:57 <stroibe974> nothing else here
21:19:19 <Benmc> not from me
21:19:53 <MageiaTJ> Countdown time, then.
21:20:02 <MageiaTJ> T-5
21:20:13 <MageiaTJ> T-4
21:20:21 <MageiaTJ> T-3
21:20:28 <MageiaTJ> T-2
21:20:37 <MageiaTJ> T-1
21:20:49 <MageiaTJ> #endmeeting