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20:02:53 <wilcal> the official qa meeting
20:03:01 <wilcal> not to many outstanding issues
20:03:04 <wilcal> hello brian
20:03:12 <wilcal> maat's here
20:03:18 <tarazed> Hi brian
20:03:32 <wilcal> Hi tar
20:03:35 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:03:40 <tarazed> Hey Bill
20:03:57 <Guest9711> Hi - this is a different chat agent -
20:04:09 <hviaene> I forget tar=Len??
20:04:09 <Guest9711> I'm brian and trying to figure out how to send this %@% commands
20:04:16 <wilcal> this is the weekly qa meeting anyone new?
20:04:26 <wilcal> ya this platform has been having problems
20:04:29 <tarazed> Yes - tarazed is me - Len
20:04:44 <wilcal> our qa channel we can't get into anymore for some reason
20:04:54 <tarazed> I ahd to logon twice, first was an SSL failure
20:05:33 <wilcal> probably the biggest topic
20:05:34 <bri_an> well let's see - do I show up anywhere close to brian
20:05:38 <wilcal> #topic M7 status
20:05:38 <hviaene> I got into the old channel by mistake 40 min ago
20:05:56 <wilcal> has anyone any information on the status of M7?
20:05:59 <bri_an> What's the news Wilcal?
20:06:36 <tarazed> All I know is it is working - for Mate at least - just did 127 scheduled updates.
20:06:36 <wilcal> I don't get excited till I can do a netinstall and boot to a GUI
20:06:50 <tarazed> Don't know how close it is to general use.
20:06:54 <wilcal> Ahhhhh something to test then
20:07:06 <wilcal> Then I will give it a go in the next days
20:07:07 <bri_an> so still in alpha state
20:07:13 <kekePower> yes
20:07:29 <wilcal> But a GUI is working?
20:07:37 <tarazed> I managed the netinstall and the gui appeared with some difficulty - high end nvidia card and intel i9
20:07:54 <wilcal> There's a challenge
20:07:57 <tarazed> Once it is there there is no problem
20:08:16 <wilcal> I'll try it in a Vbox client
20:08:29 <tarazed> I shall try the Plasma side later.
20:08:38 <wilcal> #chair tarazed
20:08:38 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: tarazed wilcal
20:08:40 <kekePower> I don't use any of the larger DE's, only Openbox and haven't seen any issues (way back when I did the install)
20:08:45 <wilcal> just in case my lappy goes down
20:09:19 <hviaene> netinstall : 32 or 64 bit?
20:09:32 <tarazed> 64-bit here
20:09:37 <kekePower> same here
20:09:52 <wilcal> ok something to work on then
20:10:06 <tarazed> You should be OK
20:10:41 <wilcal> No recent Council meeting on setting a release date
20:11:48 <wilcal> So lets move this on
20:11:49 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:12:05 <wilcal> list is kinda long but lots of ok's and grey outs
20:12:16 <wilcal> I started looking at squid
20:12:30 <wilcal> and lots of things on the list i've never done before
20:12:56 <tarazed> Apologies from me for taking time off and kudos to Herman for being so active
20:13:00 <wilcal> All one can do is do what you can
20:13:06 <wilcal> Herman's the best
20:13:10 <kekePower> squid works fine on x64, mga7. I guess it should be the same on mga6.
20:13:23 <wilcal> The recent kernel update went through just fine
20:13:59 <tarazed> mutt should be easy but it ain't
20:14:06 <wilcal> Anything else on that list we need to discuss
20:15:07 <tarazed> Should  we continue passing things on with one OK?  Can't expect herman to do everything
20:15:23 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
20:15:28 <tarazed> OK
20:15:45 <wilcal> apache-mod_perl can that be tested?
20:15:46 <tarazed> Hi TJ
20:15:51 <wilcal> hello TJ
20:15:52 <MageiaTJ> Hi.
20:16:05 <wilcal> we're on updates
20:16:06 <hviaene> I tend to skip the ones which have a 64bit OK
20:16:29 <MageiaTJ> Sorry I'm late.
20:16:33 <bri_an> I'll try 32-bit on Bug 23561  today
20:16:37 <tarazed> Herman: good plan
20:16:38 <wilcal> 32-bit continues, imo, to become less of an issue
20:16:46 <bri_an> yup
20:17:09 <hviaene> wilcal: what do you mean??
20:17:21 <wilcal> looks like netinstall of M7 may get you to a Mate GUI
20:17:42 <MageiaTJ> I've validated a few updates with just Herman's 32-bit OK, but not many. Mostly noarch updates.
20:17:55 <wilcal> I think the users of 32-bit become less and less common
20:18:21 <hviaene> So ???
20:18:42 <MageiaTJ> I think the 32-bit alone would be OK in most cases, but it's hard to know.
20:18:50 <bri_an> well if you follow Ubuntu's user statistics 98% where 64-bit
20:18:51 <tarazed> Shall have a look at bug #23541 tomorrow
20:18:56 <wilcal> Should we at some point stop 32-bit support?
20:19:21 <bri_an> where = were
20:19:38 <tarazed> Would that compromise some QA testers?
20:19:48 <MageiaTJ> I'd rather not, unless becomes exceedingly difficult.
20:20:03 <bri_an> I used 32-bit on a couple of really old machine to "conserve memory"  But architecture, I've left it behind
20:20:03 <tarazed> Yeah, too soon
20:20:16 <bri_an> agreed
20:20:17 <wilcal> Certainly not in M7 but maybe M8 for sure M9?
20:20:40 <MageiaTJ> Too early to speculate on that.
20:20:53 <tarazed> Indeed
20:20:58 <wilcal> agreed just wanted to bring it up
20:21:30 <wilcal> Lets move on then
20:21:36 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:21:37 <bri_an> I know we don't track, but would have been curious if Mageia is higher than the 2%
20:21:50 <bri_an> for 32-bit architecture
20:22:01 <wilcal> I have an issue that may or may not effect Mageia
20:22:02 <bri_an> and no  - we don't want to track
20:22:19 <bri_an> go ahead
20:22:21 <MageiaTJ> I think it would depend on upstream support more than anything else.
20:22:28 <wilcal> yup
20:22:46 <wilcal> If plasma went only 64-bit that would be the end
20:23:08 <bri_an> no - today we only offer an Xfce 32-bit live version
20:23:13 <kekePower> Does anybody have a tmb kernel installed?
20:23:16 <bri_an> Why not stick to that for old arch
20:23:19 <wilcal> And that's worked out well
20:23:29 <bri_an> not me
20:23:34 <tarazed> Not sure
20:23:36 <bri_an> kekepower:  not me
20:23:38 <wilcal> only in testing
20:23:40 <MageiaTJ> Not me, either.
20:24:06 <tarazed> Why, Stig?
20:24:16 <kekePower> I got an issue with iotop not working with it. sent an email to @dev, but haven't seen a reply or any activity about it.
20:24:33 <kekePower> this is on mga7
20:24:47 <kekePower> 4.18.16-tmb-desktop-1
20:24:56 <bri_an> iotop = laptop?
20:25:14 <kekePower> bri_an: No, iotop is a program for I/O
20:25:48 <kekePower> "Display I/O usage of processes in a top like UI"
20:26:21 <bri_an> ohhhh
20:26:30 <tarazed> You would like us to provide some confirmation?  Willing.
20:27:01 <kekePower> I have confirmed that it's working with the 4.18.16-server-2 kernel, just not in the tmb kernel
20:27:42 <bri_an> I think he tweaks the IO modules in tmb.  I could see that breaking.  Tarazed are you gonig to try it?
20:28:05 <tarazed> Yes - tomorrow probably.
20:29:06 <wilcal> Anything else?
20:29:14 <wilcal> I have one last thing to think about
20:29:23 <tarazed> Did you tell us what your issue was?
20:29:32 <wilcal> not yet
20:29:36 <wilcal> ready
20:30:01 <wilcal> IBM bought Red Hat a week ago for $34B
20:30:05 <kekePower> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/dev/2018-11/msg00010.html
20:30:16 <bri_an> wilcal:  yes
20:30:25 <wilcal> How that effects us and Fedora is anyones guess
20:30:43 <wilcal> It sure affirms RPM Linux
20:30:52 <kekePower> and Redhat is considering dropping support for KDE in the future in RHEL
20:31:12 <wilcal> Any replacement?
20:31:18 <kekePower> Gnome
20:31:30 <tarazed> Ouchh!
20:31:34 <wilcal> KDE won't die because of that
20:32:10 <wilcal> And RPM Linux won't go away anytime soon
20:32:11 <bri_an> It seemed the MGA dev team pretty much customized Plasma for this distro.
20:32:17 <wilcal> At least in my lifetime
20:32:47 <wilcal> I wonder what Mageia is worth?  :-))
20:33:00 <bri_an> My intuition is MGA will stick to Plasma.  I'm guessing Red Hat doesn't do Mate, Cinnamon anyhow
20:33:01 <kekePower> wilcal: Blood, sweat and tears
20:33:05 <Bequimao> When they say KDE is deprecated, means they have no people or skills to support it.
20:33:24 <bri_an> but MGA does
20:33:30 <wilcal> How about in Fedora?
20:33:45 <Bequimao> KDE Plasma in Fedora 29 is fine.
20:33:46 <kekePower> Bequimao: I guess it has to do with resources and if they focus on one thing, they can make it a lot better
20:34:10 <kekePower> Fedora isn't touched by this descicion. Only RHEL.
20:34:14 <wilcal> That's were Mageia is closest to RedHat with Fedora
20:34:43 <wilcal> Just so everyone is aware of what's happening
20:34:44 <Benmc> red hat has been a gnome home for many years. Mandrake persued  / supported Kde back in the day
20:35:04 <wilcal> Anything else
20:35:17 <kekePower> I listened to Linus back in the day and stayed away from Gnome :P
20:36:06 <MageiaTJ> I started with Mandrake, KDE was the default, so that's what I used. I still like it best.
20:36:26 <Benmc> Same here
20:36:33 <wilcal> I kinda like Mate. It's like Gnome was years ago
20:36:40 <kekePower> Used KDE for years, but have always experimented with the smaller DE's
20:37:00 <kekePower> Afterstep, WindowManager, Blackbox and now Openbox
20:37:01 <Benmc> But with QA, have gotten to know the oter DEs and defaults pretty well
20:37:05 <bri_an> yeah my point is Mageia does a large variety.  I suspect that's still part of the inspiration, even if Plasma is dominant
20:37:17 <bri_an> where as RedHat ....
20:37:18 <MageiaTJ> Xfce would be better with better gtk+3 support.
20:37:20 <wilcal> I agree bri_an
20:37:25 <kekePower> I don't think any other distro supplies as many DE's as we do
20:37:45 <rindolf> kekePower: debian?
20:37:46 <Benmc> coug "Debian" cough, cough
20:37:47 <bri_an> not from a single installation disk
20:38:14 <kekePower> Now I "think" something else
20:38:31 <bri_an> kekePower?
20:38:34 <kekePower> I don't think many distros supplies as many DE's as we do
20:38:38 <kekePower> bri_an: Yes?
20:38:55 <bri_an> Oh were you were going with that statement.
20:39:14 <Benmc> Magiea has been discribe as the "Debian" of the RPM world, because of the large DEs # she supports
20:39:18 <bri_an> yeah - it is amazing.  MGA4 I think I tried installing most of them at once
20:39:25 <bri_an> on a test box, it pretty much worked
20:39:42 <MageiaTJ> Lewis would do that.
20:40:08 <wilcal> anything else
20:40:17 <bri_an> nothing from me.  goodnight all
20:40:25 <wilcal> by bri
20:40:32 <wilcal> count down time
20:40:34 <Benmc> I pretty much run every Magei install as "all-in-ones"  as I cant be bothered to install just the extra applications I want
20:40:36 <wilcal> thanks all for being ere
20:40:37 <tarazed> No.  Bye everybody, and thanks.
20:40:43 <wilcal> T-5
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20:41:17 <wilcal> #endmeeting