19:00:35 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 19:00:35 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Jul 3 19:00:35 2018 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:35 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:45 <DavidWHodgins> #chair marja neoclust wilcal 19:00:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins marja neoclust wilcal 19:00:55 <marja> Pharaoh_Atem: meeting is starting 19:01:11 * Pharaoh_Atem waves 19:01:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topoic Add PGP signatures 19:01:20 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Pharaoh_Atem 19:01:25 <marja> ennael: you're still official leader of our project, are you around? 19:01:43 * tjandrews thinks he's in the right place this time. 19:01:51 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Yep 19:02:09 <marja> I think it would be great, if the sysadmins can do that, if we'd had an option in identity for all with special accounts to add the PGP public key 19:02:34 <neoclust> marja: blingme planned to work on catdap 19:02:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> honestly, not a huge fan of GPG stuff 19:02:46 <neoclust> marja: we should do a bugreport about this feature request 19:02:53 <Pharaoh_Atem> obviously, I have a GPG key, but I really don't use it much 19:03:09 <DavidWHodgins> There's already an option to add ssh keys. We could either ask them to add a place for gpg signing keys, or just do it without modifying identitiy 19:03:15 <marja> oh, for those who missed it: using PGP signatures was suggested (for coundil and board members) to decrease the chance that we're fooled by someone pretending to be us 19:03:50 <neoclust> marja: i lost my keys but i plan redo this and sign my mails too 19:03:51 <marja> but I think it would be great if all with special rights could add their PGP key 19:04:04 <Pharaoh_Atem> not to mention, there have been times that sympa has corrupted signed emails 19:04:08 <DavidWHodgins> What we could do, for council members is have each person generate a key for their mageia.org addresses, then have everyone sign each others keys 19:04:37 <wilcal> gracious 19:04:44 <Pharaoh_Atem> eek 19:04:45 <wilcal> has it come to that? 19:04:46 <marja> neoclust: I need to redo it, too, I didn't lose them, but I've saved them on unencrypted USB keys and am not sure I never lost such a USB key 19:04:50 <marja> DavidWHodgins: good idea 19:05:03 <neoclust> :) 19:05:07 <DavidWHodgins> We should also have all council members sign the keys used to validate the rpm and iso signing keys 19:05:22 <marja> yeah 19:05:48 <DavidWHodgins> pgp/gpg has it's own trust mechinism. We don't really need to modify identity.org to use it. 19:06:00 <Pharaoh_Atem> it'd probably be better if we rotated GPG keys for each Mageia release 19:06:15 <Pharaoh_Atem> but that's a challenge to itself that's got structural issues 19:06:32 <DavidWHodgins> Pharaoh_Atem: Not really a good idea, as then the new keys have to be validated and distributed 19:06:34 <marja> DavidWHodgins: can they be easily found if we use our @mageia.org addresses (for someone who doesn't really know our names/nicks)? 19:06:53 <neoclust> let's get this question to sysadmins and move on, as we wont have the solution tonigh about this 19:06:58 <Pharaoh_Atem> DavidWHodgins: at least for packages, that's a solved problem (they are distributed in mageia-repos and distribution-gpg-keys) 19:07:27 <marja> who wants to file a bug report and assign it to the sysadmins while CC'ing blingme? 19:07:49 <neoclust> marja: thanks to propose yourself :) 19:07:51 <neoclust> :p 19:08:12 <marja> neoclust: :-þ 19:08:17 * Pharaoh_Atem grumbles about gpg but doesn't have anything better to offer 19:08:23 <DavidWHodgins> #info Generation, verification, and use of gpg keys by mageia members to be reviewed, with procedures to then be documented/implemented 19:08:49 <DavidWHodgins> I'm quite familiar with pgp/gpg. I'll get it started. 19:08:59 <marja> DavidWHodgins: thanks :-) 19:09:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Real life meetings 19:09:21 <tjandrews> I like that documented part. I'll be needing it. 19:09:24 <Pharaoh_Atem> this means we should probably make sure gpg2 stays working :/ 19:09:33 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:09:42 <Pharaoh_Atem> especially the mail integration stuff 19:09:45 <Pharaoh_Atem> which breaks so often :( 19:09:59 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: we moved on, next subject now 19:10:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> yeah, yeah 19:10:22 <Pharaoh_Atem> it was in the same minute :P 19:10:47 <neoclust> so what abou "real life meeting" ? 19:10:50 <neoclust> about 19:11:27 <DavidWHodgins> So does anyone think we need a real life meeting for Mageia participants, that we organize ourselves instead of just a booth at other meetings? 19:11:29 <marja> I think it would be good to have a dedicated Mageia meeting in real life, without distractions like at Fosdem or RMLL 19:11:50 <marja> so we'd be forced to focus on Mageia and get some things done 19:11:53 <neoclust> it will be hard for me to participate far from home 19:11:59 <wilcal> I agree with that 19:12:07 <wilcal> Espeically for long term planning 19:12:08 <marja> neoclust: I was thinking of meeting in Bretagne :-þ 19:12:13 <DavidWHodgins> Given my health, lack of a passport etc., I wouldn't be going so will stay out of this discussion 19:12:28 <neoclust> marja: nice we can have tv then :) 19:12:36 <tjandrews> Same here. No passport. 19:12:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> well, I have a passport :) 19:12:54 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm even going to be at Flock 2018 in Dresden, Germany this year 19:12:55 <wilcal> If I was to attend I would like to know at least 90-days in advance when and where it's going to be 19:13:17 <neoclust> wilcal: if we do this, this will be planned "long before" 19:13:27 <Pharaoh_Atem> so Richard Brown (the openSUSE Chairman) and I were talking about this recently 19:13:31 <neoclust> to make sure everyone who want to participate can 19:13:34 <wilcal> It's NOT going to be in Las Vegas. Nothing would get done and everyone would go home broke 19:13:43 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:13:48 <Pharaoh_Atem> and if we _did_ decide to do our own event, he'd at least recommend openSUSE sponsor it 19:13:48 <neoclust> wilcal: neither :) 19:13:59 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: why ? 19:14:11 <neoclust> i dont see the logic here 19:14:25 <Pharaoh_Atem> we should be friends with each other? 19:14:33 <wilcal> Someone suggested Strasburg I think 19:14:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> he's also offered that if we'd like to start a bit smaller, hosting a Mageia track within oSC'19 19:14:44 <Pharaoh_Atem> which would be late May next year 19:14:49 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: this is not a question about "beeing friend" 19:14:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> in Nuremburg, Germany 19:15:10 <marja> wilcal: that is this weekend until Thursday, but there's a lot of distraction there (very busy with many projects) 19:15:30 <wilcal> Think in terms of a single train ride from like Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam or Brussels 19:15:40 <Pharaoh_Atem> neoclust: well, frankly, the RPM based Linux distributions try to support each other 19:15:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> Fedora sponsors oSC and openSUSE sponsors Flock 19:16:06 <Pharaoh_Atem> and people from each others communities try to be part of each other's events 19:16:07 <marja> wilcal: for me it would mean in between 4 and 7 different trains :-þ 19:16:28 <Pharaoh_Atem> and a big part of this is trying to get people together to meet each other and see different perspectives and ideas 19:16:34 <Pharaoh_Atem> being in your own bubble is bad :) 19:16:59 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: did i told that ? 19:17:04 <marja> neoclust: Pharaoh_Atem: I'm fine with being sponsored, but don't want to raise expectations on their side that we can't meet 19:17:10 <wilcal> Location to be determined by May 2019 sounds like a good long term project 19:17:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> marja: well, sure 19:17:21 <neoclust> i wont go in germany 19:17:24 <neoclust> too far from home 19:17:30 <Pharaoh_Atem> don't you live in France? 19:17:34 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: yes 19:17:37 <Pharaoh_Atem> uhh 19:18:22 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: i have a real life and personal obligations 19:18:26 <Pharaoh_Atem> anyway, if we _want_ to do our own event, the minimal cost for venue is ~US$10K 19:18:44 <neoclust> this was supposed to be a "meeting" 19:18:47 <Pharaoh_Atem> there's also probably ~US$5K for "sponsoring" people to travel to the event 19:18:49 <neoclust> not an "event" 19:18:55 <marja> Pharaoh_Atem: you were born in the USA and, unless you're an American Indian, your ancestors liked to travel..... that's not in everyone's DNA ;-) 19:19:04 <neoclust> this is not the same thing 19:19:19 <neoclust> marja: for me this is more about my "real life" 19:19:26 <neoclust> i just cant go far 19:19:28 <filip> hi there 19:19:30 <marja> neoclust: OK :-) 19:19:34 <marja> filip: hi 19:19:42 <neoclust> marja: this sentense is kinda rude 19:19:50 <marja> filip: we're discussing meeting in real life 19:20:04 <marja> neoclust: did I offend you? 19:20:05 <Pharaoh_Atem> neoclust: reality is, almost everyone is going to have to travel somewhere to meet anywhere 19:20:14 <wilcal> Somewhere on the main rail line between Paris and Amsterdam 19:20:15 <marja> neoclust: if so, then my apologies! 19:20:36 <neoclust> marja: breton and vikings were travellers didnt they ? 19:21:01 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: this talk goes nowhere, we are talking about where, before talking about what 19:21:21 <marja> neoclust: I was bad at history in school... I only knew about the vikings 19:21:38 <neoclust> we were talking about a "meeting" and you talk about an event 19:21:48 <neoclust> this is not the same thing AT ALL 19:22:03 <wilcal> The Vikings all moved to Minniapolis MN USA 19:22:08 <marja> I agree it should be a meeting 19:22:10 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone, let's stay on topic 19:22:31 <neoclust> marja: yes 19:22:40 <neoclust> a meeting like a meetup 19:22:47 <neoclust> i am against an event 19:22:58 <neoclust> we are not enough big 19:23:02 <neoclust> or organized 19:23:07 <neoclust> KDE can, etc 19:23:13 <neoclust> this is just my POV 19:23:16 <DavidWHodgins> How about those who have a preferred location post their suggestions to the council ml, and we'll discuss it further there 19:23:39 <marja> DavidWHodgins: OK 19:23:42 <neoclust> if we want tv to come Bretagne can be a good destination 19:23:49 <neoclust> and i want tv to be here :) 19:23:50 <wilcal> Sounds like a plan 19:24:01 <marja> neoclust: me too 19:24:04 <neoclust> even if i dont know if he wants :) 19:24:53 <DavidWHodgins> #info Those who have a preferred location for a real life post their suggestions to the council ml, and we'll discuss it further there 19:25:02 <DavidWHodgins> #undo 19:25:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x7f7d44c92090> 19:25:11 <DavidWHodgins> #info Those who have a preferred location for a real life meeting post their suggestions to the council ml, and we'll discuss it further there 19:25:16 <marja> depending on who can be there and their talents etc., it could be decided ahead of time which things to work on in the meeting 19:25:33 <marja> or s/could/should/ ;-) 19:26:14 <DavidWHodgins> Shall we leave the rest of that discussion for the ml and move on? 19:26:19 <ennael> (5 minutes of connection... I'm in a train with very bad 3G) 19:26:22 <neoclust> i think yes 19:26:22 <marja> DavidWHodgins: yes 19:26:28 <neoclust> ennael: hey :) 19:26:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * mga5->6 applet upgrade status 19:26:29 <marja> ennael: welcome 19:26:36 <DavidWHodgins> #chair ennael 19:26:36 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins ennael marja neoclust wilcal 19:26:43 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Anne 19:27:23 <DavidWHodgins> Yesterday was my first successful upgrade from M5 to 6 using mgaapplet, under vb, with absolutely no errors 19:27:36 <marja> \o/ 19:27:59 <DavidWHodgins> Will start real testing on real hardware later today. 19:28:02 <marja> so if more testers reproduce the success, the 6.1 isos can be built :-) 19:28:06 <wilcal> I want to point out that I have always opposed a upgrade path M5 -> M6 and I think the notes indicate that great caution should be taken and a ground up install is preferred 19:28:13 <filip> DavidWHodgins: nice 19:28:38 <DavidWHodgins> marja: First step will be to turn on the notifications for all users of m5, that the new release is available for upgrading to 19:28:40 <wilcal> especially KDE -> Plasma 19:28:46 <neoclust> marja: i would like to push a fix first ( because of a Qt bug that slow KDE a lot ) 19:29:09 <marja> wilcal: at least half my Mdk and Mdv upgrades went wrong and ended in having to do a fresh install 19:29:24 <wilcal> I think the notes say "Not recommended" 19:29:34 <DavidWHodgins> I want to give qa testers several days at least to continue testing, especially on real hardware 19:29:39 <marja> neoclust: fine with me... DavidWHodgins, are you OK with that? 19:29:45 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 19:30:01 <DavidWHodgins> I'm hoping early next week. 19:30:04 <neoclust> marja: that wont add conflicts or anything 19:30:09 <wilcal> I'm ok with that but we have to stop putting cycles into this 19:30:13 <marja> neoclust: nice 19:30:28 <neoclust> wilcal: this is to have a good mga 6.1 19:30:35 <neoclust> : 19:30:37 <neoclust> :) 19:30:44 <wilcal> I am so ready for M6.1 19:31:05 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Keep in mind, all updates from this point on could impact upgrades. Not just ones prior to us turning on the switch. That's something we'll have to continue to watch for. 19:31:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6.1 19:31:52 <filip> but this is great news nontheless 19:32:33 <DavidWHodgins> Once we turn on the mgaapplet upgrading, a copy of the repos will be taken with the release and updates repos used to generate the Mageia 6.1 iso images 19:33:08 <DavidWHodgins> Then we'll start testing them, primarily ensuring there are no needed packages missing from the iso images 19:33:27 <DavidWHodgins> They will be tested both for clean installs, and for use with upgrading from Mageia 5 19:33:40 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: ennael please tell but bcd make sure we dont miss packages 19:33:42 <neoclust> right ? 19:34:03 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: we cant "and for use with upgrading from Mageia 5" 19:34:13 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: how can we know what the user installed ? 19:34:36 <neoclust> we can do "normal" updates but we can't make sure real updates with the DVD is OK 19:34:53 <DavidWHodgins> For upgrading, the users are warned that they should enable the online repos during the upgrade 19:35:01 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: ok nice then :) 19:35:07 <neoclust> i missed that point :) 19:35:47 <DavidWHodgins> Live cds do not support being used for upgrades, only the classic iso images, and then only with online repos included 19:36:01 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: ok for me then 19:36:36 <DavidWHodgins> But we do have to ensure all needed packages are present for clean installs. WIth some packages changing names, that it something we have to be careful of. 19:36:46 <DavidWHodgins> Also new dependencies 19:37:00 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes QA need to do tests like this 19:37:12 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: we need to write update scenarii 19:37:15 <DavidWHodgins> Standard part of iso testing 19:37:51 <tjandrews> Well then, I guess testing a 5>6.1 upgrade on a system with wifi-only Internet isn't a great idea. 19:37:52 <DavidWHodgins> The wiki has the procedures documented. We need to review them to ensure they are still compatible. 19:38:14 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: do you have the link ? 19:38:18 <DavidWHodgins> If most of the packages needed are available on the dvd, it should be ok 19:39:12 <neoclust> tjandrews: btw big updates are not recommended with wifi only connection :) 19:39:20 <neoclust> kinda risky :) 19:39:39 <DavidWHodgins> https://doc.mageia.org/installer/5/en/content/selectInstallClass.html 19:39:40 <[mbot> [ Install or Upgrade ] 19:40:19 <DavidWHodgins> Typed the url, not copy/paste as for some reason synergy has stopped working on my system 19:40:37 <neoclust> URL is ok : 19:40:39 <neoclust> :) 19:40:47 <tjandrews> Updates, so far, no problem for me. Even the Grand Update. 19:40:58 <DavidWHodgins> First obvious change is replace the 5 with 6, and possiblly may need new screenshots 19:42:25 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i think this needs to be done for the whole documentation 19:42:29 <neoclust> like https://doc.mageia.org/installer/5/en/content/Select-and-use-ISOs.html#d4e141 19:42:30 <[mbot> [ Select and use ISOs ] 19:42:30 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure how long we should guestimate for creating/testing the 6.1 iso images. My prior guestimates have always been low 19:43:28 <DavidWHodgins> So the atellier team will have lots of work to do for the 6.1 release. :-) 19:43:36 <neoclust> :) 19:44:04 <DavidWHodgins> While it's a point release, it's still a release so will need the full set of doc updates 19:44:51 <filip_> https://doc.mageia.org/installer/6/en/content/selectInstallClass.html 19:44:52 <[mbot> [ Install or Upgrade ] 19:44:52 <DavidWHodgins> As always, all teams will be expected to attend a council meeting to approve the release 19:45:28 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions on the 6.1 release? 19:45:35 <wilcal> not from me 19:45:40 <marja> not here 19:45:43 <neoclust> neither 19:45:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 7 19:45:55 <tjandrews> None here. 19:46:29 <marja> cauldron usually works fine here 19:46:42 <DavidWHodgins> After the 6.1 iso images have been released, we should plan on releasing Mageia 7 after another 8 months per or original intentions 19:46:50 <wilcal> Does it open a User Interface like Plasma yet? 19:47:03 <neoclust> first here, if we want to release a mageia 7 before 2020 ( #joke ), i think we need to keep urpmi by default for it and add the missing features in urpmi 19:47:12 <wilcal> 8-months sounds comfortable 19:47:13 <neoclust> for this we need to motivate tv to help again 19:47:30 <tjandrews> I wasn't planning on even looking at Cauldron until after the 6.1 release. 19:47:39 <wilcal> i agree with that tj 19:48:08 <wilcal> before summer next year would be nice 19:48:14 <marja> tjandrews: wilcal: i also think that qa testers shouldn't yet look at cauldron 19:48:16 <neoclust> tjandrews: yes from a QA pov the first important target is mga 6.1 19:48:27 <DavidWHodgins> So as soon as 6.1 is released, we need to finalize the requirements for Mageia 7. What versions of major software (kde/gnome/etc.) will be included, defaults for things like install (urpmi/dnf) etc. 19:48:27 <neoclust> i agree 19:48:36 <neoclust> but we need to talk about mga7 anyway 19:48:44 <marja> yep 19:48:45 <tjandrews> That's just me. I have no problem with others working on it. 19:49:13 <wilcal> Last time I tried it there was no GUI 19:49:30 <neoclust> wilcal: what did you tried ? 19:49:40 <wilcal> Last month 19:49:54 <DavidWHodgins> So at that point in time we should create a tenative schedule for Mageia 7, get input from packagers as to what versions they will be providing, and make decisions on any changes to defaults 19:50:17 <marja> neoclust: wilcal: in my last cauldron installs, I hadd to mess a bit with systemd to get a GUI 19:50:20 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone ok with that statement? 19:50:29 <marja> DavidWHodgins: yes 19:50:33 <wilcal> I'm good 19:50:45 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes 19:50:53 <wilcal> Until GUI starts on boot I'm not very interested in tinkering with it 19:51:00 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i will look to qt/kde/etc. 19:51:01 <DavidWHodgins> #info After Mageia 6.1 is released, we will create a tenative schedule for Mageia 7, get input from packagers as to what versions they will be providing, and make decisions on any changes to defaults 19:51:01 <wilcal> Any GUI 19:51:30 <marja> wilcal: neoclust: to get a GUI in Cauldron, many or all need to run "systemctl set-default graphical.target" 19:51:36 <tjandrews> neoclust: Do you think we will be moving to yet another new Plasma before M7 is released? 19:51:45 <neoclust> wilcal: marja ok need to be fixed 19:51:49 <neoclust> tjandrews: yes 19:52:06 <tjandrews> neoclust: Sigh. 19:52:10 <marja> neoclust: that is since Neal pushed new systemd 19:52:12 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully a much easier to install update. :-) 19:52:27 <filip_> I would like to express one concern: Many (non)users will see us as slow if we'll wait 8 months for mga7 19:52:29 <neoclust> marja: open a bugreport for him :) 19:52:31 <marja> neoclust: or whatever else was pushed around the same time :-t 19:52:42 <marja> neoclust: should be there, will check 19:52:48 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions about Mageia 7 scheduling etc.? 19:53:08 <neoclust> filip_: we can do it quickly but we dont want a long freeze period 19:53:11 <neoclust> like for mageia6 19:53:15 <neoclust> this can't happen again 19:53:18 <filip_> +1 19:53:28 <wilcal> Before next summer or after is maybe a better estimate 19:53:28 <marja> neoclust: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22593 19:53:29 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed 19:53:31 <[mbot> [ 22593 – After classical installation, running "systemctl set-default graphical.target" is needed to get a login screen on boot. ] 19:53:36 <tjandrews> filip: We need to get it ready, regardless of how "slow" it makes us look. 19:53:49 <filip_> +1 2 ;) 19:53:53 <neoclust> :) 19:54:19 <marja> neoclust: but it's not assigned to Neal, but to the Base System maintainers 19:54:29 <marja> neoclust: oops, no 19:54:30 <filip_> personally I prefer slower anyway ;) 19:54:47 <DavidWHodgins> The prior freezes were much longer than intended due to the difficulty getting everything working properly. Hopefully that will not happen with Mageia 7. 19:54:48 <marja> to mageia tools maintainers, because it is in installer that a change seems needed 19:55:38 <neoclust> ok we need to look 19:56:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Replacing ennael as president 19:56:08 * neoclust cries 19:56:10 <neoclust> :) 19:56:14 <neoclust> ennael: we love you :) 19:56:18 <marja> DavidWHodgins: that is something that needs to be done in the board 19:56:19 <filip_> +1 19:56:29 <DavidWHodgins> Not something any of us want to think about, but we need to discuss it. 19:56:39 <wilcal> That's a Board thing 19:56:43 <neoclust> yes but what is the president "role" ? 19:56:48 <marja> DavidWHodgins: I think we need more board members 19:56:57 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Yes. Sorry 19:57:13 <marja> DavidWHodgins: because even 9 persons wasn't enough 19:57:34 <neoclust> btw i am not a member of the board :) 19:57:38 <wilcal> What's a "President" USA does not have one yet :-( 19:57:41 <marja> does anyone know whether association members can be board candidates? 19:58:01 <wilcal> Functional or Figurehead 19:58:09 <wilcal> I could go on and on 19:58:11 <DavidWHodgins> I need to review the statutes 19:58:18 <wilcal> I think it's a Board thing 19:58:30 <neoclust> there is 7 people on the LDAP board group 19:59:09 <marja> DavidWHodgins: sorry for not having done that.... if association members can become board candidates, then it would be good to first add many good contributors as association members 19:59:15 <DavidWHodgins> I need to review the statutes to see who can be board members 19:59:25 <marja> DavidWHodgins: yeah 19:59:33 <neoclust> maybe this should be moved on board ML first then 20:00:00 <DavidWHodgins> IIRC, the council and association members select the board members 20:00:01 <wilcal> Yup 20:00:52 <marja> DavidWHodgins: that changed a few times, I think officially it's association members, but we've also had council elect the board 20:01:17 <marja> DavidWHodgins: but you'll know best after reading up on it :-) 20:01:43 <tjandrews> Oops. My brother is calling me for some help with something. I have to go... 20:01:46 <DavidWHodgins> We should update the statutes, if needed, but that will definitely need a vote by the association to approve the changes 20:01:54 <marja> tjandrews: thanks for having attended! 20:01:54 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Ok. Thanks for attending 20:01:59 <filip_> bye tjandrews 20:02:08 <wilcal> bye all 20:03:04 <marja> DavidWHodgins: if this topic is done, then I'd like to add one: RMLL (and the lack of volunteers for a Mageia stand) 20:03:16 <filip_> ok 20:03:25 <neoclust> marja: i wont be able to go 20:03:27 <neoclust> :) 20:03:33 <DavidWHodgins> #info We need to review the statutes, propose any changes we think are needed to reflect reality, and organize a vote to approve said changes, and elect new board members/president 20:03:52 <DavidWHodgins> We can discuss that further on the ml 20:04:16 <DavidWHodgins> #topic RMLL conference - Mageia stand volunteers 20:04:33 <marja> Mageia will be present with a stand in Strasbourg 20:04:52 <marja> but we have very few volunteers for the stand https://framadate.org/dbLxWJPnci6o6aqb 20:04:54 <[mbot> [ Sondage - Volontariat stand Mageia RMLL-2018 - Framadate ] 20:05:35 <marja> if any one has suggestions how to get more volunteers, please speak up 20:06:17 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps best to post a reminder to several of the mailing lists 20:06:41 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps a blog post too 20:06:43 <filip_> yeah 20:07:06 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: good idea 20:07:12 <marja> Needs to be done fast, since it starts Saturday 20:07:19 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch! 20:07:40 <marja> neoclust: do you mind writing discuss-fr (since you speak French)? 20:08:14 <filip_> trishf42: are you around? 20:08:24 <marja> ennael: if there are volunteers for the RMLL stand that can't pay to get there, are funds available to help them? 20:08:41 <marja> that is, if council agrees volunteers may be funded to get there 20:08:51 <filip_> I do 20:09:04 <neoclust> marja: ok for me i will 20:09:05 <marja> if they don't hire a private jet 20:09:05 <DavidWHodgins> I think we should make it a policy to annouce potential future events and ask for volunteers to attend, as far in advance as possible. 20:09:13 <marja> neoclust: thanks 20:09:17 <wilcal> 90-days at least 20:09:49 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That may not be realistic. We often don't know if a stand may be available that far in advance 20:09:58 <marja> true 20:10:18 <wilcal> 90-day in advance airplane tickets are the cheapest 20:10:30 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not in favour of any fixed time limits. Just "as far in advance as possible". 20:10:44 <marja> yeah 20:10:49 <filip_> +1 20:11:02 <DavidWHodgins> True, which would make that much notice nice, but again, not realistic for all events 20:11:12 <marja> Who tracked events in the past, was that obgr_seneca? 20:12:36 <marja> I'll write discuss ml ... Filip, could you whip up a small reminder for the blog? 20:12:58 <marja> or Akien_ ? 20:12:58 <filip_> ok 20:13:07 <marja> filip_: thx :-) 20:13:09 <wilcal> Linux Community here in Sin City USA is microscopic 20:13:18 <wilcal> Maybe 1, me 20:13:24 <marja> Akien_ can translate it, then :-) 20:14:13 <neoclust> wilcal: you have some work to do then :p 20:14:33 <marja> ah, a forums notification would be nice, too 20:14:37 <wilcal> most of the gaming machines are ancient inside like WinXP 20:14:46 <marja> (or three: en/fr/de ) 20:15:40 <DavidWHodgins> Ok with leaving the rest of the discussion on RMLL to the atelier ml? 20:15:50 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes 20:16:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:16:11 <wilcal> not from me 20:16:17 <wilcal> Super job David 20:16:20 <marja> nor here 20:16:31 <filip_> no 20:16:36 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then 20:16:39 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5 20:16:41 <wilcal> bye all 20:16:42 <DavidWHodgins> 4 20:16:44 <DavidWHodgins> 3 20:16:47 <DavidWHodgins> 2 20:16:49 <DavidWHodgins> 1 20:17:05 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. I'll post links to the logs to the ml 20:17:10 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting