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19:00:45 <DavidWHodgins> #chair marja neoclust wilcal
19:00:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins marja neoclust wilcal
19:00:55 <marja> Pharaoh_Atem: meeting is starting
19:01:11 * Pharaoh_Atem waves
19:01:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topoic Add PGP signatures
19:01:20 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Pharaoh_Atem
19:01:25 <marja> ennael: you're still official leader of our project, are you around?
19:01:43 * tjandrews thinks he's in the right place this time.
19:01:51 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Yep
19:02:09 <marja> I think it would be great, if the sysadmins can do that, if we'd had an option in identity for all with special accounts to add the PGP public key
19:02:34 <neoclust> marja: blingme planned to work on catdap
19:02:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> honestly, not a huge fan of GPG stuff
19:02:46 <neoclust> marja: we should do a bugreport about this feature request
19:02:53 <Pharaoh_Atem> obviously, I have a GPG key, but I really don't use it much
19:03:09 <DavidWHodgins> There's already an option to add ssh keys. We could either ask them to add a place for gpg signing keys, or just do it without modifying identitiy
19:03:15 <marja> oh, for those who missed it: using PGP signatures was suggested (for coundil and board members) to decrease the chance that we're fooled by someone pretending to be us
19:03:50 <neoclust> marja: i lost my keys  but i plan redo this and sign my mails too
19:03:51 <marja> but I think it would be great if all with special rights could add their PGP key
19:04:04 <Pharaoh_Atem> not to mention, there have been times that sympa has corrupted signed emails
19:04:08 <DavidWHodgins> What we could do, for council members is have each person generate a key for their mageia.org addresses, then have everyone sign each others keys
19:04:37 <wilcal> gracious
19:04:44 <Pharaoh_Atem> eek
19:04:45 <wilcal> has it come to that?
19:04:46 <marja> neoclust: I need to redo it, too, I didn't lose them, but I've saved them on unencrypted USB keys and am not sure I never lost such a USB key
19:04:50 <marja> DavidWHodgins: good idea
19:05:03 <neoclust> :)
19:05:07 <DavidWHodgins> We should also have all council members sign the keys used to validate the rpm and iso signing keys
19:05:22 <marja> yeah
19:05:48 <DavidWHodgins> pgp/gpg has it's own trust mechinism. We don't really need to modify identity.org to use it.
19:06:00 <Pharaoh_Atem> it'd probably be better if we rotated GPG keys for each Mageia release
19:06:15 <Pharaoh_Atem> but that's a challenge to itself that's got structural issues
19:06:32 <DavidWHodgins> Pharaoh_Atem: Not really a good idea, as then the new keys have to be validated and distributed
19:06:34 <marja> DavidWHodgins: can they be easily found if we use our @mageia.org addresses (for someone who doesn't really know our names/nicks)?
19:06:53 <neoclust> let's get this question to sysadmins and move on, as we wont have the solution tonigh about this
19:06:58 <Pharaoh_Atem> DavidWHodgins: at least for packages, that's a solved problem (they are distributed in mageia-repos and distribution-gpg-keys)
19:07:27 <marja> who wants to file a bug report and assign it to the sysadmins while CC'ing blingme?
19:07:49 <neoclust> marja: thanks to propose yourself :)
19:07:51 <neoclust> :p
19:08:12 <marja> neoclust: :-þ
19:08:17 * Pharaoh_Atem grumbles about gpg but doesn't have anything better to offer
19:08:23 <DavidWHodgins> #info Generation, verification, and use of gpg keys by mageia members to be reviewed, with procedures to then be documented/implemented
19:08:49 <DavidWHodgins> I'm quite familiar with pgp/gpg. I'll get it started.
19:08:59 <marja> DavidWHodgins: thanks :-)
19:09:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Real life meetings
19:09:21 <tjandrews> I like that documented part. I'll be needing it.
19:09:24 <Pharaoh_Atem> this means we should probably make sure gpg2 stays working :/
19:09:33 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:09:42 <Pharaoh_Atem> especially the mail integration stuff
19:09:45 <Pharaoh_Atem> which breaks so often :(
19:09:59 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: we moved on, next subject now
19:10:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> yeah, yeah
19:10:22 <Pharaoh_Atem> it was in the same minute :P
19:10:47 <neoclust> so what abou "real life meeting" ?
19:10:50 <neoclust> about
19:11:27 <DavidWHodgins> So does anyone think we need a real life meeting for Mageia participants, that we organize ourselves instead of just a booth at other meetings?
19:11:29 <marja> I think it would be good to have a dedicated Mageia meeting in real life, without distractions like at Fosdem or RMLL
19:11:50 <marja> so we'd be forced to focus on Mageia and get some things done
19:11:53 <neoclust> it will be hard for me to participate far from home
19:11:59 <wilcal> I agree with that
19:12:07 <wilcal> Espeically for long term planning
19:12:08 <marja> neoclust: I was thinking of meeting in Bretagne :-þ
19:12:13 <DavidWHodgins> Given my health, lack of a passport etc., I wouldn't be going so will stay out of this discussion
19:12:28 <neoclust> marja: nice we can have tv then :)
19:12:36 <tjandrews> Same here. No passport.
19:12:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> well, I have a passport :)
19:12:54 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm even going to be at Flock 2018 in Dresden, Germany this year
19:12:55 <wilcal> If I was to attend I would like to know at least 90-days in advance when and where it's going to be
19:13:17 <neoclust> wilcal: if we do this, this will be planned "long before"
19:13:27 <Pharaoh_Atem> so Richard Brown (the openSUSE Chairman) and I were talking about this recently
19:13:31 <neoclust> to make sure everyone who want to participate can
19:13:34 <wilcal> It's NOT going to be in Las Vegas. Nothing would get done and everyone would go home broke
19:13:43 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:13:48 <Pharaoh_Atem> and if we _did_ decide to do our own event, he'd at least recommend openSUSE sponsor it
19:13:48 <neoclust> wilcal: neither :)
19:13:59 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: why ?
19:14:11 <neoclust> i dont see the logic here
19:14:25 <Pharaoh_Atem> we should be friends with each other?
19:14:33 <wilcal> Someone suggested Strasburg I think
19:14:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> he's also offered that if we'd like to start a bit smaller, hosting a Mageia track within oSC'19
19:14:44 <Pharaoh_Atem> which would be late May next year
19:14:49 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: this is not a question about "beeing friend"
19:14:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> in Nuremburg, Germany
19:15:10 <marja> wilcal: that is this weekend until Thursday, but there's a lot of distraction there (very busy with many projects)
19:15:30 <wilcal> Think in terms of a single train ride from like Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam or Brussels
19:15:40 <Pharaoh_Atem> neoclust: well, frankly, the RPM based Linux distributions try to support each other
19:15:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> Fedora sponsors oSC and openSUSE sponsors Flock
19:16:06 <Pharaoh_Atem> and people from each others communities try to be part of each other's events
19:16:07 <marja> wilcal: for me it would mean in between 4 and 7 different trains :-þ
19:16:28 <Pharaoh_Atem> and a big part of this is trying to get people together to meet each other and see different perspectives and ideas
19:16:34 <Pharaoh_Atem> being in your own bubble is bad :)
19:16:59 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: did i told that ?
19:17:04 <marja> neoclust: Pharaoh_Atem: I'm fine with being sponsored, but don't want to raise expectations on their side that we can't meet
19:17:10 <wilcal> Location to be determined by May 2019 sounds like a good long term project
19:17:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> marja: well, sure
19:17:21 <neoclust> i wont go in germany
19:17:24 <neoclust> too far from home
19:17:30 <Pharaoh_Atem> don't you live in France?
19:17:34 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: yes
19:17:37 <Pharaoh_Atem> uhh
19:18:22 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: i have a real life and personal obligations
19:18:26 <Pharaoh_Atem> anyway, if we _want_ to do our own event, the minimal cost for venue is ~US$10K
19:18:44 <neoclust> this was supposed to be a "meeting"
19:18:47 <Pharaoh_Atem> there's also probably ~US$5K for "sponsoring" people to travel to the event
19:18:49 <neoclust> not an "event"
19:18:55 <marja> Pharaoh_Atem: you were born in the USA and, unless you're an American Indian, your ancestors liked to travel..... that's not in everyone's DNA ;-)
19:19:04 <neoclust> this is not the same thing
19:19:19 <neoclust> marja: for me this is more about my "real life"
19:19:26 <neoclust> i just cant go far
19:19:28 <filip> hi there
19:19:30 <marja> neoclust: OK :-)
19:19:34 <marja> filip: hi
19:19:42 <neoclust> marja: this sentense is kinda rude
19:19:50 <marja> filip: we're discussing meeting in real life
19:20:04 <marja> neoclust: did I offend you?
19:20:05 <Pharaoh_Atem> neoclust: reality is, almost everyone is going to have to travel somewhere to meet anywhere
19:20:14 <wilcal> Somewhere on the main rail line between Paris and Amsterdam
19:20:15 <marja> neoclust: if so, then my apologies!
19:20:36 <neoclust> marja: breton and vikings were travellers didnt they ?
19:21:01 <neoclust> Pharaoh_Atem: this talk goes nowhere, we are talking about where, before talking about what
19:21:21 <marja> neoclust: I was bad at history in school... I only knew about the vikings
19:21:38 <neoclust> we were talking about a "meeting" and you talk about an event
19:21:48 <neoclust> this is not the same thing AT ALL
19:22:03 <wilcal> The Vikings all moved to Minniapolis MN USA
19:22:08 <marja> I agree it should be a meeting
19:22:10 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone, let's stay on topic
19:22:31 <neoclust> marja: yes
19:22:40 <neoclust> a meeting like a meetup
19:22:47 <neoclust> i am against an event
19:22:58 <neoclust> we are not enough big
19:23:02 <neoclust> or organized
19:23:07 <neoclust> KDE can, etc
19:23:13 <neoclust> this is just my POV
19:23:16 <DavidWHodgins> How about those who have a preferred location post their suggestions to the council ml, and we'll discuss it further there
19:23:39 <marja> DavidWHodgins: OK
19:23:42 <neoclust> if we want tv to come Bretagne can be a good destination
19:23:49 <neoclust> and i want tv to be here :)
19:23:50 <wilcal> Sounds like a plan
19:24:01 <marja> neoclust: me too
19:24:04 <neoclust> even if i dont know if he wants :)
19:24:53 <DavidWHodgins> #info Those who have a preferred location for a real life post their suggestions to the council ml, and we'll discuss it further there
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19:25:11 <DavidWHodgins> #info Those who have a preferred location for a real life meeting post their suggestions to the council ml, and we'll discuss it further there
19:25:16 <marja> depending on who can be there and their talents etc., it could be decided ahead of time which things to work on in the meeting
19:25:33 <marja> or s/could/should/ ;-)
19:26:14 <DavidWHodgins> Shall we leave the rest of that discussion for the ml and move on?
19:26:19 <ennael> (5 minutes of connection... I'm in a train with very bad 3G)
19:26:22 <neoclust> i think yes
19:26:22 <marja> DavidWHodgins: yes
19:26:28 <neoclust> ennael: hey :)
19:26:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * mga5->6 applet upgrade status
19:26:29 <marja> ennael: welcome
19:26:36 <DavidWHodgins> #chair ennael
19:26:36 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins ennael marja neoclust wilcal
19:26:43 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Anne
19:27:23 <DavidWHodgins> Yesterday was my first successful upgrade from M5 to 6 using mgaapplet, under vb, with absolutely no errors
19:27:36 <marja> \o/
19:27:59 <DavidWHodgins> Will start real testing on real hardware later today.
19:28:02 <marja> so if more testers reproduce the success, the 6.1 isos can be built :-)
19:28:06 <wilcal> I want to point out that I have always opposed a upgrade path M5 -> M6 and I think the notes indicate that great caution should be taken and a ground up install is preferred
19:28:13 <filip> DavidWHodgins: nice
19:28:38 <DavidWHodgins> marja:  First step will be to turn on the notifications for all users of m5, that the new release is available for upgrading to
19:28:40 <wilcal> especially KDE -> Plasma
19:28:46 <neoclust> marja: i would like to push a fix first ( because of a Qt bug that slow KDE a lot )
19:29:09 <marja> wilcal: at least half my Mdk and Mdv upgrades went wrong and ended in having to do a fresh install
19:29:24 <wilcal> I think the notes say "Not recommended"
19:29:34 <DavidWHodgins> I want to give qa testers several days at least to continue testing, especially on real hardware
19:29:39 <marja> neoclust: fine with me... DavidWHodgins, are you OK with that?
19:29:45 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:30:01 <DavidWHodgins> I'm hoping early next week.
19:30:04 <neoclust> marja: that wont add conflicts or anything
19:30:09 <wilcal> I'm ok with that but we have to stop putting cycles into this
19:30:13 <marja> neoclust: nice
19:30:28 <neoclust> wilcal: this is to have a good mga 6.1
19:30:35 <neoclust> :
19:30:37 <neoclust> :)
19:30:44 <wilcal> I am so ready for M6.1
19:31:05 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Keep in mind, all updates from this point on could impact upgrades. Not just ones prior to us turning on the switch. That's something we'll have to continue to watch for.
19:31:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6.1
19:31:52 <filip> but this is great news nontheless
19:32:33 <DavidWHodgins> Once we turn on the mgaapplet upgrading, a copy of the repos will be taken with the release and updates repos used to generate the Mageia 6.1 iso images
19:33:08 <DavidWHodgins> Then we'll start testing them, primarily ensuring there are no needed packages missing from the iso images
19:33:27 <DavidWHodgins> They will be tested both for clean installs, and for use with upgrading from Mageia 5
19:33:40 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: ennael please tell but bcd make sure we dont miss packages
19:33:42 <neoclust> right ?
19:34:03 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: we cant "and for use with upgrading from Mageia 5"
19:34:13 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: how can we know what the user installed ?
19:34:36 <neoclust> we can do "normal" updates but we can't make sure real updates with the DVD is OK
19:34:53 <DavidWHodgins> For upgrading, the users are warned that they should enable the online repos during the upgrade
19:35:01 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: ok nice then :)
19:35:07 <neoclust> i missed that point :)
19:35:47 <DavidWHodgins> Live cds do not support being used for upgrades, only the classic iso images, and then only with online repos included
19:36:01 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: ok for me then
19:36:36 <DavidWHodgins> But we do have to ensure all needed packages are present for clean installs. WIth some packages changing names, that it something we have to be careful of.
19:36:46 <DavidWHodgins> Also new dependencies
19:37:00 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes QA need to do tests like this
19:37:12 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: we need to write update scenarii
19:37:15 <DavidWHodgins> Standard part of iso testing
19:37:51 <tjandrews> Well then, I guess testing a 5>6.1 upgrade on a system with wifi-only Internet isn't a great idea.
19:37:52 <DavidWHodgins> The wiki has the procedures documented. We need to review them to ensure they are still compatible.
19:38:14 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: do you have the link ?
19:38:18 <DavidWHodgins> If most of the packages needed are available on the dvd, it should be ok
19:39:12 <neoclust> tjandrews: btw big updates are not recommended with wifi only connection :)
19:39:20 <neoclust> kinda risky :)
19:39:39 <DavidWHodgins> https://doc.mageia.org/installer/5/en/content/selectInstallClass.html
19:39:40 <[mbot> [ Install or Upgrade ]
19:40:19 <DavidWHodgins> Typed the url, not copy/paste as for some reason synergy has stopped working on my system
19:40:37 <neoclust> URL is ok :
19:40:39 <neoclust> :)
19:40:47 <tjandrews> Updates, so far, no problem for me. Even the Grand Update.
19:40:58 <DavidWHodgins> First obvious change is replace the 5 with 6, and possiblly may need new screenshots
19:42:25 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i think this needs to be done for the whole documentation
19:42:29 <neoclust> like https://doc.mageia.org/installer/5/en/content/Select-and-use-ISOs.html#d4e141
19:42:30 <[mbot> [ Select and use ISOs ]
19:42:30 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure how long we should guestimate for creating/testing the 6.1 iso images. My prior guestimates have always been low
19:43:28 <DavidWHodgins> So the atellier team will have lots of work to do for the 6.1 release. :-)
19:43:36 <neoclust> :)
19:44:04 <DavidWHodgins> While it's a point release, it's still a release so will need the full set of doc updates
19:44:51 <filip_> https://doc.mageia.org/installer/6/en/content/selectInstallClass.html
19:44:52 <[mbot> [ Install or Upgrade ]
19:44:52 <DavidWHodgins> As always, all teams will be expected to attend a council meeting to approve the release
19:45:28 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions on the 6.1 release?
19:45:35 <wilcal> not from me
19:45:40 <marja> not here
19:45:43 <neoclust> neither
19:45:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 7
19:45:55 <tjandrews> None here.
19:46:29 <marja> cauldron usually works fine here
19:46:42 <DavidWHodgins> After the 6.1 iso images have been released, we should plan on releasing Mageia 7 after another 8 months per or original intentions
19:46:50 <wilcal> Does it open a User Interface like Plasma yet?
19:47:03 <neoclust> first here, if we want to release a mageia 7 before 2020  ( #joke ), i think we need to keep urpmi by default for it and add the missing features in urpmi
19:47:12 <wilcal> 8-months sounds comfortable
19:47:13 <neoclust> for this we need to motivate tv to help again
19:47:30 <tjandrews> I wasn't planning on even looking at Cauldron until after the 6.1 release.
19:47:39 <wilcal> i agree with that tj
19:48:08 <wilcal> before summer next year would be nice
19:48:14 <marja> tjandrews: wilcal: i also think that qa testers shouldn't yet look at cauldron
19:48:16 <neoclust> tjandrews: yes from a QA pov the first important target is mga 6.1
19:48:27 <DavidWHodgins> So as soon as 6.1 is released, we need to finalize the requirements for Mageia 7. What versions of major software (kde/gnome/etc.) will be included, defaults for things like install (urpmi/dnf) etc.
19:48:27 <neoclust> i agree
19:48:36 <neoclust> but we need to talk about mga7 anyway
19:48:44 <marja> yep
19:48:45 <tjandrews> That's just me. I have no problem with others working on it.
19:49:13 <wilcal> Last time I tried it there was no GUI
19:49:30 <neoclust> wilcal: what did you tried ?
19:49:40 <wilcal> Last month
19:49:54 <DavidWHodgins> So at that point in time we should create a tenative schedule for Mageia 7, get input from packagers as to what versions they will be providing, and make decisions on any changes to defaults
19:50:17 <marja> neoclust: wilcal: in my last cauldron installs, I hadd to mess a bit with systemd to get a GUI
19:50:20 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone ok with that statement?
19:50:29 <marja> DavidWHodgins: yes
19:50:33 <wilcal> I'm good
19:50:45 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes
19:50:53 <wilcal> Until GUI starts on boot I'm not very interested in tinkering with it
19:51:00 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i will look to qt/kde/etc.
19:51:01 <DavidWHodgins> #info After Mageia 6.1 is released, we will create a tenative schedule for Mageia 7, get input from packagers as to what versions they will be providing, and make decisions on any changes to defaults
19:51:01 <wilcal> Any GUI
19:51:30 <marja> wilcal: neoclust: to get a GUI in Cauldron, many or all need to run "systemctl set-default graphical.target"
19:51:36 <tjandrews> neoclust: Do you think we will be moving to yet another new Plasma before M7 is released?
19:51:45 <neoclust> wilcal: marja ok need to be fixed
19:51:49 <neoclust> tjandrews: yes
19:52:06 <tjandrews> neoclust: Sigh.
19:52:10 <marja> neoclust: that is since Neal pushed new systemd
19:52:12 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully a much easier to install update. :-)
19:52:27 <filip_> I would like to express one concern: Many (non)users will see us as slow if we'll wait 8 months for mga7
19:52:29 <neoclust> marja: open a bugreport for him :)
19:52:31 <marja> neoclust: or whatever else was pushed around the same time :-t
19:52:42 <marja> neoclust: should be there, will check
19:52:48 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions about Mageia 7 scheduling etc.?
19:53:08 <neoclust> filip_: we can do it quickly but we dont want a long freeze period
19:53:11 <neoclust> like for mageia6
19:53:15 <neoclust> this can't happen again
19:53:18 <filip_> +1
19:53:28 <wilcal> Before next summer or after is maybe a better estimate
19:53:28 <marja> neoclust: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22593
19:53:29 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
19:53:31 <[mbot> [ 22593 – After classical installation, running "systemctl set-default graphical.target" is needed to get a login screen on boot. ]
19:53:36 <tjandrews> filip: We need to get it ready, regardless of how "slow" it makes us look.
19:53:49 <filip_> +1 2 ;)
19:53:53 <neoclust> :)
19:54:19 <marja> neoclust: but it's not assigned to Neal, but to the Base System maintainers
19:54:29 <marja> neoclust: oops, no
19:54:30 <filip_> personally I prefer slower anyway ;)
19:54:47 <DavidWHodgins> The prior freezes were much longer than intended due to the difficulty getting everything working properly. Hopefully that will not happen with Mageia 7.
19:54:48 <marja> to mageia tools maintainers, because it is in installer that a change seems needed
19:55:38 <neoclust> ok we need to look
19:56:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Replacing ennael as president
19:56:08 * neoclust cries
19:56:10 <neoclust> :)
19:56:14 <neoclust> ennael: we love you :)
19:56:18 <marja> DavidWHodgins: that is something that needs to be done in the board
19:56:19 <filip_> +1
19:56:29 <DavidWHodgins> Not something any of us want to think about, but we need to discuss it.
19:56:39 <wilcal> That's a Board thing
19:56:43 <neoclust> yes but what is the president "role" ?
19:56:48 <marja> DavidWHodgins: I think we need more board members
19:56:57 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Yes. Sorry
19:57:13 <marja> DavidWHodgins: because even 9 persons wasn't enough
19:57:34 <neoclust> btw i am not a member of the board :)
19:57:38 <wilcal> What's a "President" USA does not have one yet :-(
19:57:41 <marja> does anyone know whether association members can be board candidates?
19:58:01 <wilcal> Functional or Figurehead
19:58:09 <wilcal> I could go on and on
19:58:11 <DavidWHodgins> I need to review the statutes
19:58:18 <wilcal> I think it's a Board thing
19:58:30 <neoclust> there is 7 people on the LDAP board group
19:59:09 <marja> DavidWHodgins: sorry for not having done that.... if association members can become board candidates, then it would be good to first add many good contributors as association members
19:59:15 <DavidWHodgins> I need to review the statutes to see who can be board members
19:59:25 <marja> DavidWHodgins: yeah
19:59:33 <neoclust> maybe this should be moved on board ML first then
20:00:00 <DavidWHodgins> IIRC, the council and association members select the board members
20:00:01 <wilcal> Yup
20:00:52 <marja> DavidWHodgins: that changed a few times, I think officially it's association members, but we've also had council elect the board
20:01:17 <marja> DavidWHodgins: but you'll know best after reading up on it :-)
20:01:43 <tjandrews> Oops. My brother is calling me for some help with something. I have to go...
20:01:46 <DavidWHodgins> We should update the statutes, if needed, but that will definitely need a vote by the association to approve the changes
20:01:54 <marja> tjandrews: thanks for having attended!
20:01:54 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Ok. Thanks for attending
20:01:59 <filip_> bye tjandrews
20:02:08 <wilcal> bye all
20:03:04 <marja> DavidWHodgins: if this topic is done, then I'd like to add one: RMLL (and the lack of volunteers for a Mageia stand)
20:03:16 <filip_> ok
20:03:25 <neoclust> marja: i wont be able to go
20:03:27 <neoclust> :)
20:03:33 <DavidWHodgins> #info We need to review the statutes, propose any changes we think are needed to reflect reality, and organize a vote to approve said changes, and elect new board members/president
20:03:52 <DavidWHodgins> We can discuss that further on the ml
20:04:16 <DavidWHodgins> #topic RMLL conference - Mageia stand volunteers
20:04:33 <marja> Mageia will be present with a stand in Strasbourg
20:04:52 <marja> but we have very few volunteers for the stand https://framadate.org/dbLxWJPnci6o6aqb
20:04:54 <[mbot> [ Sondage - Volontariat stand Mageia RMLL-2018 - Framadate ]
20:05:35 <marja> if any one has suggestions how to get more volunteers, please speak up
20:06:17 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps best to post a reminder to several of the mailing lists
20:06:41 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps a blog post too
20:06:43 <filip_> yeah
20:07:06 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: good idea
20:07:12 <marja> Needs to be done fast, since it starts Saturday
20:07:19 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch!
20:07:40 <marja> neoclust: do you mind writing discuss-fr (since you speak French)?
20:08:14 <filip_> trishf42: are you around?
20:08:24 <marja> ennael: if there are volunteers for the RMLL stand that can't pay to get there, are funds available to help them?
20:08:41 <marja> that is, if council agrees volunteers may be funded to get there
20:08:51 <filip_> I do
20:09:04 <neoclust> marja: ok for me i will
20:09:05 <marja> if they don't hire a private jet
20:09:05 <DavidWHodgins> I think we should make it a policy to annouce potential future events and ask for volunteers to attend, as far in advance as possible.
20:09:13 <marja> neoclust: thanks
20:09:17 <wilcal> 90-days at least
20:09:49 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That may not be realistic. We often don't know if a stand may be available that far in advance
20:09:58 <marja> true
20:10:18 <wilcal> 90-day in advance airplane tickets are the cheapest
20:10:30 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not in favour of any fixed time limits. Just "as far in advance as possible".
20:10:44 <marja> yeah
20:10:49 <filip_> +1
20:11:02 <DavidWHodgins> True, which would make that much notice nice, but again, not realistic for all events
20:11:12 <marja> Who tracked events in the past, was that obgr_seneca?
20:12:36 <marja> I'll write discuss ml ... Filip, could you whip up a small reminder for the blog?
20:12:58 <marja> or Akien_ ?
20:12:58 <filip_> ok
20:13:07 <marja> filip_: thx :-)
20:13:09 <wilcal> Linux Community here in Sin City USA is microscopic
20:13:18 <wilcal> Maybe 1, me
20:13:24 <marja> Akien_ can translate it, then :-)
20:14:13 <neoclust> wilcal: you have some work to do then :p
20:14:33 <marja> ah, a forums notification would be nice, too
20:14:37 <wilcal> most of the gaming machines are ancient inside like WinXP
20:14:46 <marja> (or three: en/fr/de )
20:15:40 <DavidWHodgins> Ok with leaving the rest of the discussion on RMLL to the atelier ml?
20:15:50 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes
20:16:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:16:11 <wilcal> not from me
20:16:17 <wilcal> Super job David
20:16:20 <marja> nor here
20:16:31 <filip_> no
20:16:36 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then
20:16:39 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5
20:16:41 <wilcal> bye all
20:16:42 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:16:44 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:16:47 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:16:49 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:17:05 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. I'll post links to the logs to the ml
20:17:10 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting