19:33:31 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting
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19:33:32 <filip__> tjandrews, which is wrong channel is possible to discuss ;)
19:33:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Council elections
19:34:24 <DavidWHodgins> #info https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Council#2018
19:34:35 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm. no mbot
19:35:02 <DavidWHodgins> So the council elections for this year have been completed, except for the sysadmin team
19:35:12 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome to all of the new members
19:35:50 <filip__> +1
19:35:58 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: can you list them?
19:36:15 <tjandrews> Thank you from this one...
19:36:20 <DavidWHodgins> We need the sysadmins to ensure the new members have ldap auth for mga-council so they can subscribe and post to the council ml
19:38:28 <tjandrews> I managed to get subscribed, but I can't post yet.
19:38:30 <DavidWHodgins> New members l18n - Marc Lattemann (latte), Packagers Neal Gompa (ngompa) Nicolas Lecureuil (neoclust), QA - Thomas J Anadrews (tjandrews)
19:38:58 <DavidWHodgins> Hope I didn't miss any.
19:39:10 <DavidWHodgins> Any sysadmins present?
19:39:35 <filip__> Pharaoh_Atem, ping
19:41:03 <filip__> blino, King_InuYasha, maat, stormi ping
19:41:25 <DavidWHodgins> I've already sent requests to the sysadmin ml for the ldap changes. I'll send them a reminder after this meeting
19:41:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Board Elections
19:43:02 <DavidWHodgins> The last time the board was elected, instead of following the recommendation to elect one third of the board, the choice was made to elect the full board, technically negating the need for new elections for two years
19:43:09 <Pharaoh_Atem> filip__: here
19:43:37 <filip__> Pharaoh_Atem, welcome
19:43:42 <papoteur> Pharaoh_Atem: welcome
19:43:42 * Pharaoh_Atem waves
19:43:46 <Pharaoh_Atem> Aloha!
19:44:10 <DavidWHodgins> For those who don't know, Pharaoh_Atem is an alias for ngompa. Welcome to the Mageia Council.
19:44:20 <yurchor> +1
19:44:21 <Pharaoh_Atem> Hello everyone!
19:44:32 <yurchor> Pharaoh_Atem: Hi!
19:45:17 <tjandrews> Hi.
19:45:35 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: are there people who don't want to continue to be member of Baord?
19:45:41 <DavidWHodgins> The board is elected by the mga-association members, which includes all current and former council members.
19:45:50 <DavidWHodgins> papoteur: None that I know of
19:46:22 <DavidWHodgins> The board doesn't do much. It only handles legal issues and financial issues.
19:47:04 <DavidWHodgins> In the time I've been a member, it's been a few issues related to trademark usage, and approving spending for servers, etc.
19:47:39 <wilcal> It still should meet, even informally, about once every qtr, IMO
19:47:55 <filip__> I guess joining board and council would be to much work or doesn't make sense?
19:48:00 <DavidWHodgins> The board ml has only had 141 articles posted to it sinc I joined in 2013
19:48:07 <papoteur> For information current board is:
19:48:09 <papoteur> claire robinson (claire)     Anne Nicolas (ennael)     Thomas Backlund (tmb)     Dave Hodgins (davidwhodgins)     Rémi Verschelde (akien)     Samuel Verschelde (stormi)     Donald (schultz)     Claire Revillet (grenoya)     William Kenney (wilcal)
19:48:25 <DavidWHodgins> All of whom are also council members
19:48:32 <wilcal> There's a board listing on a webpage that I believe has not been updated
19:48:56 * filip__ thinks so 2
19:49:36 <DavidWHodgins> #info https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_board
19:50:13 <papoteur> This is what I copied
19:50:41 <papoteur> filip__: wilcal: what is false, thus?
19:51:13 <DavidWHodgins> Once all of the new council members have posting access to the council ml, let's handle the nominating of new board members and the election via the council ml
19:51:28 <wilcal> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_board
19:51:35 <wilcal> I get a blank page there
19:51:35 <DavidWHodgins> Any objections to handling it via the council ml?
19:51:45 <wilcal> I agree David
19:51:54 <papoteur> Yes objection.
19:52:24 <papoteur> The election is done not only by council member, but also with coopted memeber.
19:52:40 <papoteur> s/members
19:53:22 <papoteur> Thus these ones are not on council ML
19:53:44 <filip__> papoteur not wiki page but http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-board.html
19:53:45 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-board ]
19:54:15 <DavidWHodgins> #info https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Board#Current_board_.28until_2018.29
19:54:44 <filip__> and http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-council.html is also behind
19:54:45 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-council ]
19:55:38 <papoteur> But we must first know how many people have to be elected. 3 ?
19:55:55 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. The people.mageia.org is based on ldap. I've asked the sysadmins to update the list for new council members
19:57:08 <DavidWHodgins> Once the ldap entries have been updates, using the people.mageia list for council and http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-association-members.html combined should include all eligible voters
19:57:09 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-association-members ]
19:57:37 <DavidWHodgins> Ah mbot is on now
19:58:26 <DavidWHodgins> From what I've seen in the past, board nominations were handled on the council ml
19:58:30 * papoteur agrees
19:59:05 * papoteur agrees for the list of members
19:59:35 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: wasn't with epoll?
19:59:40 <DavidWHodgins> As the full board was elected in the last election, I don't know how one third is supposed to be selected to sbe replaced
19:59:58 <DavidWHodgins> papoteur: Yes, IIRC
20:01:06 <papoteur> https://www.mageia.org/en/about/constitution/ says
20:01:08 <[mbot> [ Mageia.Org constitution ]
20:01:19 <filip__> that 1/3 rule is optimistic
20:01:31 <DavidWHodgins> In my opinion, we should re-elect the full board again. First though, I think we should consider changing the constitution to have full board elections every three years, instead of only electing by third every year.
20:01:41 <papoteur> The selected members are the first in order as resigning members, next the ones whose last election to the board of directors is the oldest. In case of equal election dates, then the one or those whose membership of the association is the oldest will be kept on.
20:02:30 <DavidWHodgins> Except for the founders, most of the members have been with Mageia since it started
20:03:48 <DavidWHodgins> For the constitution change, that's something we should not be deciding here. The full list of voters as above should be consulted.
20:04:16 <filip__> indeed
20:05:20 <papoteur> We have to review the members list and propose new active ones.
20:05:54 <papoteur> And the board has to accept them.
20:06:23 <DavidWHodgins> As not all council members are present, I'll send a msg to the council ml, suggesting the constitution change, opening discussion to confirm which (if not all) board members should be standing for re-election, new-members, nominations, and the election process.
20:06:43 <DavidWHodgins> That ok with everyone that is here?
20:06:52 <wilcal> OK by me
20:07:06 <filip__> +1
20:07:09 <papoteur> DavidWHodgins: OK
20:07:38 <DavidWHodgins> #info - As not all council members are present, I'll send a msg to the council ml, suggesting the constitution change, opening discussion to confirm which (if not all) board members should be standing for re-election, new-members, nominations, and the election process.
20:08:23 <DavidWHodgins> Our current treasurer is not present, so I'll skip the topic of current fincances for this meeting.
20:08:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6.1 schedule
20:09:04 <papoteur> Is there an information about our bitcoins?
20:09:24 <DavidWHodgins> We made the decision to produce Mageia 6.1 iso images last december, to allow Mageia 6 to be installed on newer hardware.
20:09:25 <filip__> mga6.1 is QA specialty ;)
20:09:53 <Pharaoh_Atem> To date, Mageia 6.1 will include a wide variety of improvements
20:09:58 <DavidWHodgins> That was put on hold due to the Spectre/Meltdown issues, which also caused Mageia 5 support to be extended.
20:10:17 <Pharaoh_Atem> Is Mageia 5 still supported? Or did we finally end that?
20:10:33 <DavidWHodgins> Then we decided to hold off until the extremely large update for kde/qt was completed.
20:10:50 <filip__> did we say this order: big 4 update, tray upgrade, mga6.1 and then the world?
20:11:00 <DavidWHodgins> Pharaoh_Atem: Yes, but only very critical security updates. That will continue until 6.1 is released.
20:11:15 <wilcal> For me this update seems to work properly
20:11:36 <DavidWHodgins> The large update is still waiting for some fixes for lxqt
20:12:05 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully that will only take a few more days.
20:13:38 <DavidWHodgins> For Mageia 6.1, the installer has some fixes for prior problems, but other then including the latest released Mageia 6 updates will be nearly identical to Mageia 6, so testing should be reletively quick compared to a full release with new features
20:14:08 <papoteur> hopefully
20:14:53 <DavidWHodgins> To speed things up, we'll be skipping the development and stability builds, and starting with the release candidate builds
20:16:06 <filip__> DavidWHodgins, so the estimate is June?
20:16:12 <DavidWHodgins> Pharaoh_Atem: Am I correct that you'll be handling the with iso building now?
20:16:22 <Pharaoh_Atem> DavidWHodgins: I'd like to be able to, yes
20:16:40 <DavidWHodgins> In the past, ennael and tmb handled iso building. Neither of them are present here today.
20:16:41 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm not familiar with the ISO building process though, as I haven't heard from ennael or martinw on how to do it
20:17:09 <Pharaoh_Atem> but I certainly want to be able to do it on a regular basis
20:19:20 <DavidWHodgins> Assuming we will be ready to start building iso images by the end of this week, I propose we plan on one month for 6.1 testing/release, so May 31st, 2018.
20:19:25 <papoteur> martinw is always present and I think he can deal with Live ISOs
20:19:35 <wilcal> sounds like a plan to me
20:19:51 <filip__> +1
20:20:23 <papoteur> it would be fine
20:20:52 <yurchor> It would be good to include our new full Japanese documentation translation (with screenshots) for this release...
20:21:33 <DavidWHodgins> #info Target date for release of Mageia 6.1 is Thursday, May 31st, 2018.
20:21:37 <papoteur> yurchor: I think it's a job for me ;)
20:21:59 <DavidWHodgins> papoteur: Combined with iso builders, to ensure the needed packages are on the iso images.
20:22:30 <filip__> yurchor has opened a good point. updated doc should be included.
20:22:49 <papoteur> yurchor: do you think other language warrants an update or addition?
20:23:06 <DavidWHodgins> If the packages have been updated in Mageia 6, they will automatically be included
20:23:35 <DavidWHodgins> As the installer only has some fixes, doc changes for it should be minimal, if any.
20:23:36 <yurchor> papoteur: German and Norwegian (nb) at 100% now.
20:23:52 <yurchor> An Ukrainian please. ;)
20:24:07 <papoteur> :D
20:25:31 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 7 schedule
20:26:32 <DavidWHodgins> Rather then setting the schedule now, I'd like to leave setting that until a future council meeting, likely the one where the release of Mageia 6.1 is approved.
20:26:44 <DavidWHodgins> That ok with everyone?
20:27:14 <wilcal> OK by me
20:27:37 <wilcal> once 6.1 is behind us we can start thinking about 7.x
20:27:44 <papoteur> do we know if cauldron is in a good shape?
20:27:52 <filip__> yeah. it would be good to know what's the dev meeting status about mga7 features.
20:28:01 <wilcal> is it installable using boot.iso?
20:28:07 <wilcal> I haven't tried it in awhile
20:28:30 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't tried a cauldron install for Mageia 7 yet.
20:28:48 <DavidWHodgins> From what I've seen on the dev ml though, it appears to be going ok.
20:28:48 <wilcal> I'll give it ago by the QA meeting this week
20:29:28 <papoteur> For what I heard, netinstall is working, but the grafical.target is not enabled.
20:29:32 <wilcal> that should have all the Plasma updates in it right?
20:29:38 <DavidWHodgins> #info Mageia 7 schedule to be decided closer to Mageia 6.1 release
20:29:43 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes
20:30:23 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:30:37 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any other topics they would like to discuss?
20:30:58 <papoteur> when will a dev meeting occurs?
20:31:04 <filip__> tray upgrade enable after big 4?
20:31:39 <DavidWHodgins> The mgaapplet upgrade from Mageia 5 to 6 will be re-enabled when Mageia 6.1 is released
20:32:08 <filip__> ok. thx
20:32:34 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, my mistake. That's wrong.
20:33:04 <DavidWHodgins> We'll re-test upgrading after the large qt/kf5 etc. update is released, and if ok re-enable it then.
20:33:21 <DavidWHodgins> That had slipped my minde.
20:33:25 <filip__> even better
20:33:36 <DavidWHodgins> Typos as usual. :-)
20:33:40 <schultz> Morning everyone, sorry I'm late
20:33:49 <wilcal> Nothing from me
20:33:51 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa schultz
20:33:51 <filip__> welcome schultz
20:33:57 <DavidWHodgins> We are just wrapping up.
20:34:00 <Latte> schultz: me too ;)
20:35:08 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like that's about it. I'll post the links to the logs to the council ml after the meeting.
20:35:14 <schultz> Just reread, not sure how much here for me to weigh in on that I can't on the ml later
20:35:35 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone
20:35:43 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting