19:08:05 <Akien> #startmeeting 19:08:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue May 2 19:08:05 2017 UTC. The chair is Akien. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:08:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:08:12 <Akien> #chair ennael stormi marja 19:08:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Akien ennael marja stormi 19:08:37 * Akien bringing some parity in those council meetings :p 19:08:49 <marja> :-) 19:09:17 <Akien> #topic Mageia 6 RC: current status, TODOs 19:09:42 <Akien> wilcal, DavesNotHereMan: How are the current ISOs doing? 19:10:11 <Akien> #link http://madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers 19:10:17 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Blockers ] 19:10:23 <wilcal> Running on the Plasma Live DVD as we speak :)) 19:10:43 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi 19:10:44 <[mbot> [ Search by bug number ] 19:11:02 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20368 19:11:04 <[mbot> [ 20368 Installing Mageia 6 in VirtualBox ends with display corruptions (when switching to vboxvideo drm device) ] 19:11:13 <wilcal> is still a problem 19:11:14 <schultz_> ping me if you need my opinion on anything, playing with shades of blue so might miss something 19:11:52 <wilcal> I think the rc isos are ready for wide release 19:12:06 <marja> schultz_: what is the status of https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20647 19:12:08 <[mbot> [ 20647 Desktop selection shows old KDE logo instead of current Plasma one ] 19:12:13 <wilcal> we need final review of this things 19:12:21 <wilcal> likely one more go around 19:12:22 <Akien> marja: schultz_ is working on it right now :) 19:12:35 <marja> Akien: schultz_: ooops 19:12:47 <schultz_> marja: half fixed, just deciding on what logo to use, the plasma one looks, well, odd 19:13:00 <Akien> tmb: Do you have any idea about the vboxvideo/modesetting issues? (bug 20368, bug 20455) 19:13:02 <marja> schultz_: ok, thx 19:13:10 <Akien> Ah no [mbot here 19:13:10 <Akien> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20368 19:13:12 <[mbot> [ 20368 Installing Mageia 6 in VirtualBox ends with display corruptions (when switching to vboxvideo drm device) ] 19:13:14 <Akien> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20455 19:13:16 <[mbot> [ 20455 Vbox upgrade from 5 to 6 breaks due to changing driver from vboxvideo to modesetting but keeping nomodeset argument ] 19:14:19 <schultz_> marja: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B35tx4Q9SNELVjRSczBOZzRuV2M/view?usp=sharing 19:14:20 <[mbot> [ desktop-KDE-big.png - Google Drive ] 19:14:28 <schultz_> doesn't look very kde like 19:14:56 <schultz_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B35tx4Q9SNELVjRSczBOZzRuV2M 19:14:57 <[mbot> [ desktop-KDE-big.png - Google Drive ] 19:15:13 <marja> how important is it for us to let upgrading work? it is impossible to add additional (online) media atm, even when installing instead of upgrading 19:15:23 <schultz_> Thats the new adverts for the install 19:15:34 <marja> schultz_: no, but then Plasma doesn't look like KDE, either ;-) 19:15:41 <schultz_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B35tx4Q9SNELSGt5Sm9uWHNPTkU 19:15:42 <[mbot> [ Ads and such – Google Drive ] 19:16:06 <wilcal> KDE -> Plasma upgrade does not do well for me :-( 19:16:26 <schultz_> Sorry, thats the link - Akien and myself thought the blue on the text didn't have enough contrast - the dark blue is in the test image 19:16:46 <schultz_> I'll shutup now, don't want to get in the way of upgrade talk 19:17:37 <Akien> Basically we have a pretty good RC, but still some blocking upgrade issues, so there's indeed the question of whether we want upgrades to work with the RC ISOs 19:17:48 <marja> schultz_: np, what you're saying is related to fixing release blocker, too 19:18:22 <Akien> I'll ping all packagers and ask them to attempt some cli upgrades to fix the remaining package conflicts, as those are pretty bad during upgrades 19:18:28 <schultz_> Will have the other ads fixed so we can compare shortly 19:19:31 <Akien> If I manage to gather some momentum around fixing package conflicts, I guess we could get fixed ISOs in a couple days, and maybe have something release ready at the end of the weekend, WDYT? 19:20:11 <Akien> The bug that marja mentioned is pretty bad, but since we're discovering it pretty late and it will take time to debug it, I'd prefer not to have it prevent releasing the RC: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20484 19:20:13 <[mbot> [ 20484 The "Media Selection (Configure Supplemental Installation Media)" screen has gone missing (during installs & upgrades). ] 19:20:19 <marja> Yeah, it's time to release something 19:20:46 <wilcal> agreed 19:21:02 <tmb> yeah, to keep some momentum we need the RC out.. worst case scenario means a RC2 before final 19:21:03 <Akien> Worst case we can always make a RC2 shortly after RC to make sure upgrades work in all configurations - otherwise it will be done as part of the testing of the final ISOs 19:21:11 <Akien> +1 19:21:23 * marja thinks that in Mandriva times, her upgrades always ended in having to do a fresh install, so I'm in doubt about how much work we should put into enabling smooth upgrades 19:21:45 <Akien> #action Akien will build some momentum among devs to get upgrades tested to fix package conflicts. New ISOs can then be made around Thursday, hopefully RC release ready by Sunday 19:22:15 <wilcal> I've made it quite public that I am not a fan of upgrades. Especially KDE -> Plasma 19:22:45 <Akien> #info Apart from upgrades issues (package conflicts), vbox issues (mga#20368 and mga#20455) and missing media selection at install time (mga#20484), current RC ISOs are pretty good. 19:23:25 <wilcal> http://www.killdisk.com/ is your best friend 19:23:26 <[mbot> [ How to erase hard drive by Active@ KillDisk? Low Level Disk Format & Disk Sanitizer. ] 19:23:46 <lebarhon_> I did smooth updates KDE -> Plasma 19:23:46 <Akien> Yeah upgrades are tricky. I think it's good that we try to support them, as it forces us to fine tune our ISOs, but personally I prefer clean installs or net-upgrades. 19:24:21 <tmb> I'll try to take a look on the vbox issues... but so far I try to limit my work to ~1 day week, so we'll see how it goes 19:25:10 <Akien> tmb: Thanks - don't do more than you can/should, but I'm sure Martin or Thierry could use some general advice and then continue the work themselves 19:25:24 <marja> tmb: we're happy with one day a week, it's good to have you back.... we don't want to see you disappear again 19:26:40 <tmb> marja, I'm "too big" to just disappear :) 19:26:46 <Akien> :D 19:26:50 <marja> tmb: lol 19:27:37 <Akien> Alright, let's move to the next topic. If we keep this meeting short I might have time to attempt fixing some package conflicts myself before sleeping :p 19:27:42 <Akien> #topic Blog posts 19:27:59 <Akien> First of all, thanks a lot to schultz_ for his awesome work on the weekly roundup 19:28:31 <Akien> I know how demanding it can be to write something every week, and I wish I'd have helped more the last 2-3 weeks, so great work :) 19:28:41 <schultz_> Thanks also to the people that put up with my writing habits and proofing stuff at 10 on a Friday :) 19:29:30 <tmb> yeah, it's nice to see the blog alive ... very good work :) 19:30:06 <wilcal> I'm impressed by the work the sysadmins did on the os upgrades 19:30:27 <wilcal> great job under pressure 19:30:44 <Akien> Currently in our upcoming posts (they all still need to be written), we have a post about plasma 5 integration, games in Mageia 6, Rust packaging, and a They Make Mageia about me 19:31:09 <Akien> Any new suggestions for stuff to add on our todo list? :) 19:31:53 <Akien> We should blog about the infra upgrade soon, but it would be nice to have the forums back online before that. Sysadmins are still working on it, there seems to be an issue setting up the forums database 19:32:22 <schultz_> What the sysadmins were doing before the mad push, what they had done, what they did, and what they will do 19:32:31 <schultz_> Think I got all my tenses in there :) 19:32:36 <Akien> schultz: I guess we can start a draft :) 19:33:15 <schultz_> Would be nice to have something in that blog about the hardware as well, need to give a scale about how big our infra is 19:34:20 <Akien> Yeah definitely. 19:35:14 <Akien> I'll ping Pharaoh_Atem again about the idea to make a new blog post regarding his work on DNF integration and related tools in Mageia 6 19:35:27 <Akien> The previous one was a big success :p 19:35:34 <schultz_> Sounds good, yeah was just about to say that 19:36:20 <Akien> I don't know if filip is around, he had another topic to discuss 19:36:42 <Akien> #topic Deprecating FTP protocol for mirrors? 19:36:54 <Akien> Quoting filip from the ML: "Many (most noted in FOSS 19:36:54 <Akien> community are kernel.org and Debian) discourage, deprecate or even 19:36:54 <Akien> stop using ftp protocol." 19:36:58 <Akien> "I would like to at least remove it from our main page as DL protocol 19:36:58 <Akien> if there is an alternative available like http and https. To me it 19:36:58 <Akien> seems like a council decision." 19:37:54 <Akien> I have no real opinion on this, I lack the context to understand why FTP usage should be discouraged or deprecated. 19:38:40 <Akien> Is it because it's not secure, contrarily to HTTPS? 19:38:47 <wilcal> i have a long term problem with using ftp on our repos 19:39:02 <wilcal> for me netinstall using ftp does not work 19:39:27 <tmb> well... debian and kernel.org did run their own ftp services, wich mean they can do what they want... we dont have own mirrors, only the mirror admins can control their decisions... 19:40:02 <wilcal> i've been using http netinstall a very long time 19:40:35 <tmb> but generally http(s) works better on load balancers, and is better designed for "packet loss" than ftp is... 19:41:56 <tmb> and since there is now a push for "https everywhere" ftp cant really compete unless you go for ftps, but that is another problematic thing :)... 19:42:16 <Akien> So maybe we could just tweak our mirrors layout to show "recommended URLs" and "alternative URLs" instead of just "URLs"? http://mirrors.mageia.org/mirrors/mirrors.ustc.edu.cn 19:42:27 <wilcal> I'm with him :-) 19:42:31 <Akien> e.g. list https and rsync as recommended, and http and ftp as alternative 19:43:13 <Akien> Just to help users pick the best choice if they have no clue 19:44:47 <Akien> Well we can discuss this further on the ML, filip seems afk so can't defend his case :p 19:44:56 <Akien> #topic Team elections 19:45:03 <Akien> Hm hm... :°) 19:45:23 <wilcal> QA is settled 19:45:43 <Akien> I'll try to start the topic on the dev@ ML this week. More than just asking for candidates, I think we should start a discussion on what kind of team leadership we need/want in the dev/packaging team(s) 19:47:07 <Akien> I'll ping sysadmins too 19:47:31 <Akien> Other teams are mostly settled AFAIK, we just need to check the council@ access have been updated 19:48:24 <Akien> #action Akien will restart the topic of team elections on dev@ and sysadmin@ 19:48:54 <Akien> That's it on my side :) Do we have other topics you want to discuss? 19:48:56 <schultz> Atelier is settled too 19:49:02 <wilcal> not from me 19:49:18 <tmb> not from me 19:49:23 <marja> not here 19:49:26 <schultz> Can people tell me if these are readable for them 19:49:28 <schultz> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B35tx4Q9SNELSGt5Sm9uWHNPTkU 19:49:29 <[mbot> [ Ads and such – Google Drive ] 19:49:45 <schultz> if not, I'll fiddle the blue more 19:50:10 <schultz> its mainly the difference between the images with test/no test 19:50:16 <Akien> schultz: the dark blue is too dark IMO 19:50:26 <Akien> schultz: something between that and the original light blue should be perfect 19:50:35 <Akien> (like, just in the middle) 19:50:37 <marja> schultz: a bit more contrast between the dark blue letters and the blue in the picture wold be good 19:50:52 <wilcal> look ok on this low performance laptop 19:51:25 <Akien> schultz: and I still think we should go with the KDE community logo instead of the Plasma logo, nobody knows the latter 19:51:29 <marja> schultz: in the darker pictures 19:51:44 <Akien> KDE4 users will already be confused by the name "Plasma", so best keep the logo they know :) 19:52:07 <schultz> Yeah me too with kde logo, just haven't got around to it yet 19:52:57 <schultz> Yep, will fettle the blue more, shouldn't be too much to get it readable 19:53:54 * tmb has to go to sleep now, bye all 19:54:02 <marja> tmb: sleep well 19:54:03 <Akien> Bye tmb, good night! 19:54:17 <Akien> Let's end the meeting now :) 19:54:22 <marja> +1 19:54:23 <Akien> 5 19:54:24 <Akien> 4 19:54:24 <wilcal> bye all 19:54:25 <Akien> 3 19:54:26 <Akien> 2 19:54:27 <Akien> 1 19:54:28 <marja> wilcal: night 19:54:29 <Akien> zero 19:54:31 <Akien> #endmeeting