20:07:54 <stormi> #startmeeting 20:07:54 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Tue Feb 21 20:07:54 2017 UTC. The chair is stormi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:07:54 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:08:01 <stormi> #chair akien 20:08:01 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: akien stormi 20:08:16 <stormi> #chair marja filip DavidWHodgins 20:08:16 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins akien filip marja stormi 20:08:31 * Akien starts playing the music. 20:08:36 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:08:42 <stormi> #topic sta2 20:08:45 * Akien stops the music. Find your chair back! 20:08:47 <stormi> So, where are we? 20:08:57 <stormi> #chair akien 20:08:57 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins akien filip marja stormi 20:09:07 <DavidWHodgins> qa still waiting for iso images with Martin's latest patches 20:09:38 <stormi> and how was the last set before that? 20:09:42 <Akien> As I understand it, Martin did some ISOs last week (IINM), and QA was waiting for the classical ISOs to check if the bugfix works fine too 20:09:51 <stormi> also, the bugs are fixed in Lives, right? 20:10:00 <Akien> Pre-testing showed IINM that there was an issue on the CIs, for which Martin pushed a fix yesterday evening 20:10:06 <marja> martin fixed the partioning bug again/better last night http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/drakx/commit/?id=ca43ff9c8b9a53cb1d4d68173794556519bac257 20:10:07 <[mbot> [ drakx - Mageia Installer and base platform for many utilities ] 20:10:35 <stormi> And I think Anne had some perl errors yesterday 20:10:36 <DavidWHodgins> The lives are ok, but I'd like more testing of them first. The partitioning bugs are difficult to recreate 20:10:44 <stormi> indeed 20:10:56 <Akien> Anne had issues yesterday due to a not fully updated mirror on rabbit AIUI 20:11:03 <stormi> ah, ok 20:11:06 <Akien> But she's updated it so it should work now 20:11:23 <Akien> She was then just waiting on Martin's newest patch, so new CI ISOs should arrive soon™ 20:11:30 <stormi> She won't make it to our meeting due to a real life meeting 20:11:32 <Akien> (maybe not tonight as she's busy) 20:11:55 <Akien> So I think we could hope for ISOs by tomorrow evening 20:12:05 <stormi> Ok, let's not fall asleep on this bug and really release them really quick (after enough QA testing of course!) 20:12:11 <DavidWHodgins> Just checked. There is a pre-testing x86_64 dvd iso created yesterday. Hasn't been tested yet that I know of 20:12:28 <Akien> I saw one test of it actually 20:12:28 <marja> DavidWHodgins: that doesn't contain the fix of last night 20:12:36 <stormi> Reactions to the blog post about our delays shows most people are ready to forgive our lateness in exchange for a good distro, but let's not push it too far :) 20:12:46 <marja> :-) 20:12:52 <stormi> next topic? 20:12:55 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure. It hasn't been announced on the qa discuss list, so I don't know what changes it has 20:13:07 <Akien> Yeah Benmc gave it a try already, but indeed it did not contain the fix yet: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20074#c45 20:13:12 <[mbot> [ Bug 20074 Partitions with Type: Empty corrupt the partition table ] 20:13:32 <Akien> But yes I wouldn't spend time on it, ennael will do a new set of ISOs 20:13:48 <marja> stormi: Akien: I'd like to see the last blogpost pushed untranslated to all sleeping language instances of our blog 20:13:59 <marja> Latte: ^^^ 20:14:06 <DavidWHodgins> #info QA team waiting for new iso images with latest fixes included 20:14:59 <Akien> Should we ask martinw to make a new set of lives to match the packages ennael will be using, or should we keep his current set? 20:15:16 <marja> matching is better 20:15:26 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, matching would be better 20:15:58 <Akien> Ok, I'll tell ennael to notify martinw as soon as the local packages are synced to what they should be for both ISOs 20:16:16 <Akien> (they likely are already, but not sure about the testing drakx version) 20:16:25 <stormi> # action ? 20:16:56 <Akien> #action ennael should make new CI ISOs with fix for mga#20074, and then notify martinw so that we get matching live ISOs 20:17:18 <Akien> Next topic I think 20:17:35 <stormi> (note: at the end of this meeting I'd like us to do a quick audio meeting, if you can give 10 minutes of your time) 20:17:42 <stormi> #topic Blog posts: what's in the pipe and who's on it? 20:18:05 <stormi> So a few weeks ago we talked about a number of blog posts 20:18:11 <stormi> All seemed interesting 20:18:20 <stormi> Who knows what happened to them? 20:18:23 <Akien> cc Pharaoh_Atem 20:18:36 <Akien> lebarhon_ did a great writeup about documentation, it's on mypads 20:18:42 <Akien> So that will likely be our next blog post 20:18:47 <marja> lebarhon_: thx 20:18:53 <lebarhon_> :) 20:18:59 <stormi> Indeed, that one wasn't planned but it's near ready and wanted 20:19:08 <Akien> stormi published an awesome blog post about why mga6 is late :p 20:19:19 <stormi> underline the word *awesome* 20:19:19 <Akien> The feedback is pretty good as mentioned above 20:19:25 <DavidWHodgins> Can all council members please be given admin access to all pads? 20:19:53 <Akien> Well they need to create a mypads account, then we can all add them since most of us are admins now 20:20:10 <Akien> If some still don't have an account, that's because they ignored my emails :) 20:20:14 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll have to get around to doing that then. 20:20:21 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: you have one I think 20:20:21 <DavidWHodgins> Guilty. :-) 20:20:28 <stormi> convicted 20:20:47 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: ah no, you're not there yet 20:21:03 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: you can register on https://mypads.framapad.org and tell me your username or email 20:21:04 <[mbot> [ MyPads ] 20:21:14 <stormi> Who remembers what the other blog posts were supposed to be about? 20:21:16 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll do that after the meeting 20:21:28 <stormi> schultz__: are you around? 20:21:41 <Akien> I have a pending "They Make Mageia" about myself for which I have to answer schultz__'s questions 20:21:47 <Akien> (pending since... 6 months? :p) 20:21:50 <lebarhon_> there was one blog post about Live DE and arch 20:22:02 <stormi> lol 20:22:08 <schultz__> Yep, I'm about, sorry, phone made me miss the start 20:22:20 <stormi> if we wait too much it will become "they make godot" 20:22:29 <Akien> Hehe 20:22:48 <marja> :-) 20:23:01 <Akien> Pharaoh_Atem had one or two blog posts ideas, one of which would be a joint writeup with me about Rust packaging and how we work together with the Fedora SIG 20:23:08 <stormi> lebarhon_: wasn't the announcement about Lives supposed to be in the sta2 announcement? 20:23:10 <Akien> (the other would be about DNF 2.0 IIRC) 20:23:56 <filip_> what about Brussell? 20:24:04 <lebarhon_> stormi: don't think so, about Plasma and Gnome 32 replaced by Xfce 20:24:17 <DavidWHodgins> Akien: Registered on mypads with email davidwhodgins@gmail.com 20:24:19 <Akien> Right, a blog post about Mageia at FOSDEM would be good too 20:24:38 <stormi> I guess it would be a good idea to create pads for each of them with a [draft] prefix or something we agree on so that anyone wanting to knows where the blog posts are and what they are can see at a glance 20:24:41 <schultz__> Ok caught up, the doc blog is good to go if you ask me 20:24:56 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: Alright, you should be able to access the Atelier folder now: https://mypads.framapad.org/mypads/?/mypads/group/mageia-atelier-v7b2m7c1/view 20:24:57 <[mbot> [ MyPads ] 20:25:17 <stormi> I wanted to start one about FOSDEM then it became "Where's Mageia 6" :P 20:25:22 <Akien> Should we #action all ideas with the name of who should start their draft? 20:25:26 <schultz__> Thats actually a good point stormi, having a few prefixs other than just published would be good 20:25:28 <stormi> yes please 20:25:53 <Akien> #action lebarhon writes blog post about documentation (actually finished already, needs publishing) 20:26:05 <schultz__> Can we add the weekly roundup idea on this too? 20:26:11 <Akien> #action Akien and schultz__ write "They Make Mageia" about Akien 20:26:19 <stormi> schultz__: if you've got a name for the action 20:26:20 <Akien> #action Pharaoh_Atem writes blog post about DNF 2.0 20:26:22 <filip_> why are two group on framapad? 20:26:23 <stormi> I mean, someone 20:26:35 <Akien> filip_: I wanted to move all pads to the archives, but doesn't work as I wanted :D 20:26:41 <schultz__> I was going to publish the doc blog tomorrow if everyone agrees 20:26:42 <DavidWHodgins> Akien: Got it 20:26:51 <Akien> #action Pharaoh_Atem and Akien write blog post about Rust and collaboration with the Fedora Rust SIG 20:27:01 <filip_> Akien: yeah. I saw that to. move all or erase one ;) 20:27:11 <Akien> #action stormi starts blog post about FOSDEM 20:27:25 <stormi> why? :'( 20:27:26 <stormi> :) 20:27:35 <Akien> #action Akien starts blog post about games \o/ 20:27:42 <marja> lol 20:28:13 <Akien> #action all review blog post for sta2 release (make sure it does not repeat too much what was taken from it for the "where is mga6?" blog post) 20:28:27 <stormi> Would [blog][draft] and [blog][published] be good prefixes? 20:28:27 <schultz__> If you sort the pads by date, the new ones are at the top and that makes it much nicer 20:29:09 <Akien> Are there other topics I forgot? 20:29:15 <Akien> Ah yes, neoclust writes about Plasma :p 20:29:19 <schultz__> Yeah that works for me, if there is something else, like the talk at FOSDEM then be creative 20:29:40 <Akien> #action neoclust starts blog post about Plasma integration in Mageia 6 (he doesn't know yet, but he'll do it) 20:29:59 <stormi> if you tell him :) 20:30:00 <schultz__> Put me down for a weekly write up of changes, more to see what the format would look like than to actually publish it 20:30:02 <Akien> Most pads are [blog] no? 20:30:20 <stormi> yes, that was just in case we'd use it for not blogs :) 20:30:31 <Akien> #action schultz__ does a weekly write up about changes to Atelier tasks (esp. pads) 20:30:47 <Akien> Ah there's another blog post coming 20:30:55 <schultz__> Wasn't what I meant, but thats actually a good idea... 20:30:56 <Akien> #action ennael writes blog post about Alcasar 20:31:02 <stormi> indeed 20:31:06 <Akien> schultz__: oops :D 20:31:34 <Akien> (alcasar is a tool used by the French police and hosted on Mageia installs apparently :)) 20:31:35 <stormi> (so just [draft], no [blog] ?) 20:31:49 <Akien> Yeah, [draft], [review], [published] ? 20:31:55 <stormi> sold 20:31:56 <schultz__> It was my idea for a weekly report on the big changes that happened, well that week, more details were in the mail to @atelier 20:31:57 <Akien> Or [D], [R], [P] ? :p 20:32:04 <stormi> cryptic 20:32:35 <stormi> schultz__: weekly news are very demanding for those who write them, but are nice! 20:32:54 <schultz__> I've put talk next to the FOSDEM thing, thats about all I can think to change 20:32:54 <stormi> not sure we'll have much to say every week though 20:33:25 <stormi> #action review state of blog posts next council meeting 20:33:31 <schultz__> Yeah I know, its not meant to be big, just a few things, it might be best if we end up with it on facebook and twitter, but thought I'd try and see 20:33:58 <marja> and about translations and all those dead localized blogs? 20:33:58 <Akien> #info Pad status should be marked with: [draft], [review], [published] 20:34:39 <filip_> marja: it would be nice if we drop english content on non dead ones 20:34:46 <stormi> marja: they all at least need a post saying "need help for translating, join, and meanwhile english version there" 20:34:53 <filip_> dead ones should go I guess 20:34:58 <stormi> less work than duplicating the english posts 20:35:19 <stormi> also a webpage showing status of all blogs would be nice 20:35:25 <Pharaoh_Atem> hello all 20:35:33 <Akien> I agree with stormi, manual duplication would be really hard. A good alternative would be such a localized post about needing translators + a rss feed of the EN blog posts 20:35:46 <stormi> hi Pharaoh_Atem 20:36:00 <Akien> Pharaoh_Atem: I #actioned you a bit :p 20:36:02 <marja> stormi: the problem with that, is that when you go to mageia.org, you won't see there's a new blog post, unless you use a language for which that post was translated 20:36:03 <filip_> stormi: nice idea about status 20:36:10 <schultz__> Yeah true, there are some nice active ones, but having content appearing on the dead ones again might spark them into life 20:36:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> yeah, I see :) 20:36:44 <Pharaoh_Atem> we're now on DNF 2.1 :) 20:36:44 <Akien> We could also have a call for blog translators 20:37:02 <stormi> filip_: want to develop it? :) 20:37:13 <Akien> (I mean on the EN blog, plus of course translated on active blogs) 20:37:19 <filip_> marja: not neceserally true 20:37:44 <marja> stormi: the Dutch blog has had such a "we need translators" message for ages, it's always at the top.... but when going to mageia.org, you only see a link to the last really translated post (which was sometimes many months old) 20:37:52 <stormi> Akien: yeah, I see marja has no action yet for the blog posts ;) 20:38:02 <Akien> :D 20:38:03 * marja hides 20:38:42 <schultz__> She can right a call for help for translators then :) 20:39:06 <filip_> stormi: doable but not fast and I would like to know if such page is for certain contributors/council or all 20:39:09 * marja delegates that to Latte :-) 20:39:18 <stormi> filip_: I'd say public 20:39:39 <Akien> #action Latte (and marja :p) write a call for translators for the inactive blogs 20:40:09 <Akien> Latte: I can make you admin on all blogs so that you can help with managing potential new users 20:40:40 * Akien likes handing out #actions. 20:40:47 <marja> :-) 20:40:57 * Akien looks around. Who has no #action on their hands? :p 20:41:08 <stormi> #action Akien checks within 3 days that all the blog posts (even if empty) have been created as drafts 20:41:09 <filip_> stormi: public so that it talks to readers 'please translate me'? rather than http://dashboard.mageia.org/ 20:41:10 <[mbot> [ Mageia buildsystem status overview ] 20:41:30 <stormi> *evil laugh* 20:41:39 <Akien> Wow I did not even know this page :D 20:41:58 <Pharaoh_Atem> we have this page?! 20:42:06 <stormi> me neither 20:42:24 <stormi> filip_: no, so that it talks to us but no need to hide it 20:42:27 <Pharaoh_Atem> wow, so it's old 20:42:31 <Pharaoh_Atem> it still thinks we're working on mga1 20:42:32 <filip_> Pharaoh_Atem: yeah, but WIP and outdated. last one who worked on it was rda 20:42:45 <Pharaoh_Atem> or maybe mga2 20:42:59 <Akien> rda had started to work on many cool things, but when he left the work on them stopped 20:43:19 <filip_> yeah. I'm no mach for him 20:43:22 <stormi> filip_: we need probably discuss it after the meeting to see what can be done 20:43:31 <Akien> filip_: well you're doing great :D 20:43:39 <Pharaoh_Atem> filip_: you've been doing a good job :) 20:43:53 <filip_> but what we need even more on web pages is RTL support 20:44:03 <stormi> #action filip_ and stormi discuss about a blogs overview status page 20:44:12 <filip_> THX Pharaoh_Atem. time is short 20:44:18 <marja> Am I the only one around who had really weird ideas about the Mageia (and Mdv and Mdk) contributors before starting to contribute herself? If not, then it might be good to have a blog post about how things really are. 20:44:44 <stormi> # a c t i o n marja starts a blog post about how we really are 20:44:47 <stormi> :) 20:44:51 <Pharaoh_Atem> marja: you're not 20:44:56 <marja> stormi: :-þ 20:45:05 <schultz__> Could be good to have that marja, I know I had some weird ideas 20:45:06 <Pharaoh_Atem> I think even stormi and ennael mentioned it briefly in FOSDEM presentation 20:45:31 <stormi> anything that helps people "outside" understand how it's like "inside" is welcome 20:45:32 * marja asks all to send her their weird ideas from before contributing 20:46:14 <stormi> I won't add a #action but if you come up with something or even a beginning of something, that could become a blog post 20:46:42 <stormi> #action stormi checks that akien checks that everyone has started their draft 20:46:45 <schultz__> Sadly most of mine are rather negative, so should probably leave them out 20:46:45 <marja> stormi: I'm motivated for this, so good chance that beginning will come 20:46:54 <filip_> indeed that's a great inviting blog 20:46:57 <stormi> schultz__: that's the oint 20:47:01 <stormi> point 20:47:11 <stormi> what you thought vs what it's really 20:47:32 <filip_> indeed 20:47:35 <marja> schultz__: I only want to make a list of assumptions, *without* any reference to who thought that, and then reply with how it really is 20:47:50 <stormi> yes, I like the idea 20:47:51 <Pharaoh_Atem> schultz__: negative stuff is important, because it's about dissuading them 20:48:22 <schultz__> yeah thats the issue, the jury is still out on whither he is the idiot I thought he was... 20:48:31 <Pharaoh_Atem> :/ 20:48:53 <schultz__> Still, there are plenty of other people that turned out different, so that will work fine, actually, it sounds really good to me 20:49:02 <stormi> schultz__: oh, you mean about specific people :) 20:49:19 * marja won't write about specific people 20:49:33 <stormi> well, some people turn out being worse than what we thought :) 20:49:42 <marja> lol 20:50:01 <stormi> but that's probably not our target in that proposal 20:50:01 <schultz__> yep, he was never in mageia to its all fine 20:50:28 <stormi> "mageia, continuity of mandriva but without the jerks" 20:50:39 <filip_> :D 20:50:43 <stormi> anyone reading those logs, don't take it for you :) 20:51:03 <filip_> so I'm not a jerk ;) 20:51:03 <stormi> well enough digressing 20:51:29 <stormi> if everybody knows what they've got to do, next 20:51:47 <schultz__> Whats next? 20:51:51 <stormi> #topic Sta2 Errata, or getting them ready 20:52:23 * DavidWHodgins lost where to start 20:52:37 <stormi> sta2 will be our first release in months, so maybe we should try to start building the errata 20:52:37 <DavidWHodgins> I'll post on the qa discuss list asking for suggestions 20:52:58 <marja> DavidWHodgins: thx 20:53:12 <stormi> Here is how I think we should proceed: 20:53:27 <stormi> - if there's no bug report it's not in the errata 20:53:33 <marja> +1 20:53:34 <stormi> because it's probably worth a bug report after all 20:53:49 <stormi> if a bug report is worth an errata, add the FOR_ERRATA6 keyword 20:54:08 <stormi> if a bug report is in the errata, change it for IN_ERRATA6 20:54:13 <schultz__> sounds good to me 20:54:16 <stormi> this rule is valid also for closed bugs 20:54:20 <stormi> (wontfix, etc.) 20:54:51 <stormi> This is good for Mageia 6 final, now how to do it for pre-releases? 20:55:02 <stormi> I think some bugs we know we probably won't fix them 20:55:08 <Akien> I'd suggest we do the same as for final in the pre-releases 20:55:19 <Akien> the sta2 errata should become the RC errata, minus the actually fixed bugs 20:55:25 <Akien> + the newly errata'd bugs 20:55:31 <DavidWHodgins> Akien: Agreed 20:55:45 <stormi> Ok if someone actually removes the old errata 20:56:07 <Akien> If all errata reference their bug report, I'm ok to go through them and do the cleanup 20:56:08 <stormi> so this means referencing them well in the wiki, with the bug number 20:56:14 <stormi> sold 20:56:33 <stormi> #action start writing the Errata, we want them ready for sta2 20:56:55 <stormi> #info every errata entry must be related to and reference a bug report 20:57:02 * DavidWHodgins Will remind qa members to use proper keywords in bug reports, to make finding the errata bugs easier 20:57:03 <marja> So we keep https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_6_Errata and just replace "This will become the page for the Mageia 6 Errata, but is now used to add known issues about the Mga-6-sta1 isos" with the same line for sta2 20:57:20 <stormi> #info bug reports that need an errata entry get the FOR_ERRATA6 keyword 20:57:32 <stormi> #info bugs reports that have been added to errata get IN_ERRATA6 instead 20:57:56 <stormi> #info the pre-releases Errata will in the end become the final errata, plus new bugs, minus bugs fixed 20:58:20 <stormi> Can docteam + QA team + bugsquad work on that? 20:58:26 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 20:58:28 <marja> yes 20:58:33 <wilcal> Sorry I'm late. Broken internet connection :-( 20:58:36 <stormi> hi wilcal 20:58:39 <wilcal> Davids here cool 20:58:41 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa wilcal 20:58:47 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:58:48 <marja> wilcal: welcome nonetheless 20:59:01 <schultz__> Hey 20:59:02 <stormi> DavidWHodgins: marja: can we appoint both of you (plus papoteur maybe if he agrees) to organize this work? 20:59:10 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 20:59:11 <marja> stormi: ok 20:59:34 <stormi> #action DavidWHodgins marja and maybe papoteur organize work around building the errata 20:59:49 <stormi> Then there are the release notes too 21:00:21 <marja> isn't that usually asked on dev ml, to add things? 21:00:22 <stormi> Probably something for packagers 21:00:25 <stormi> yes 21:01:07 <marja> Akien: do you want to mail your team about the release notes? 21:01:28 <Akien> Sure, will do. 21:01:31 <stormi> Of course, mailing the team usually has partial effect 21:01:32 <marja> Akien: thx 21:02:06 <stormi> Finding a volunteer to ask the devs and have them write something or write in their stead would be better 21:02:44 <stormi> Well Akien if your mail does not have any effect ping me and I'll try to find someone 21:03:23 <Akien> Yeah, let's start with the mail to get people interested in the topic and see what the next step should be. 21:03:28 <stormi> marja: DavidWHodgins: please prepare a mail that we can send to all those involved about the way we will handle Errata 21:03:36 <Akien> We'll definitely need on release notes manager if we want them to look consistent. 21:03:41 <stormi> yes 21:03:58 <marja> stormi: tomorrow 21:03:59 <DavidWHodgins> stormi: Working on it now 21:04:07 <stormi> papoteur did that in the past I think, but I won't volunteer him without letting him have a say :) 21:04:08 <marja> DavidWHodgins: great 21:04:09 <schultz__> I'm happy to make them look and read consistant 21:04:28 <marja> schultz__: thx 21:04:32 <stormi> schultz__: great, thx 21:04:57 <schultz__> Just not sure what to include, so probably best to have someone, or more than just someone do that 21:05:38 <stormi> #info schultz__ will proofread them, format them, but not decide what needs to be in and whether they are complete 21:06:00 <stormi> #action akien send a mail to dev mailing list about release notes 21:06:31 <stormi> So about next topics, I'll let you pick what you want to discuss 21:06:50 <schultz__> Elections? 21:06:58 <stormi> There's the state of our infra migration, especially alamut to sucuk (web) 21:07:01 <stormi> Elections indeed 21:07:02 <schultz__> Or is that just an Atelier issue.. 21:07:22 <marja> schultz__: no, most teams didn't have elections, yet 21:07:26 <stormi> SVN to Git migration since we have a volunteer and must not let him without work 21:07:33 <marja> schultz__: and not even prepare for them 21:07:38 <stormi> but not everything needs be discussed tonight 21:07:48 <schultz__> I feel very out of touch with current events and the status of stuff 21:08:49 * marja is in favour of ending the meeting, but testing the online meeting now (so that we can reall plan the GA) 21:09:00 <marja> really 21:09:07 <Akien> marja: +1 21:09:12 <filip_> schultz__: + well atelier is very small 21:09:22 <schultz__> Online meeting? Isn't that what we're doing? 21:09:24 <Akien> Maybe we can +1 the topics we just mentioned so that we remember them for next week and/or the ML 21:09:29 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't found my headset, so can't as with my current hardware mumble has too much feedback 21:09:35 <stormi> ok, I could still trick you into discussing stuff during the test :) 21:09:45 <Akien> s/+1/#info/ 21:10:01 <Akien> #topic Topics for next time and/or ML 21:10:02 <marja> DavidWHodgins: I think other options than mumble are being tested 21:10:08 <Akien> #info Team elections 21:10:19 <schultz__> Yeah that works, have we got some online conferencing thing now? 21:10:31 <Akien> #info State of infra migration, esp. alamut to sucuk (web) 21:10:36 <stormi> schultz__: for those who want to help try the solution 21:10:37 <Akien> #info SVN to Git migration 21:10:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> ooh yay 21:10:46 <DavidWHodgins> qa has three candidates for 3 positions. I've asked on the list if people want a vote anyway, or just accept the list by acclimation 21:10:51 <schultz__> Ill grab some headphones then 21:11:15 <Pharaoh_Atem> stormi: who is our volunteer for SVN->Git? 21:11:19 <stormi> yeah headphones recommended otherwise massive echo 21:11:35 <stormi> Pharaoh_Atem: Augier 21:11:39 <schultz__> The issue with Atelier is whither we vote for the deputy again or not as that hasn't been a year 21:11:47 <stormi> Pharaoh_Atem: but he needs someone to drive him 21:11:56 <Latte> hi there, sorry for beeing late 21:11:59 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm certainly happy to help poke him with sticks 21:11:59 <stormi> He can write code, do stuff but needs a project lead 21:12:06 <stormi> hi Latte 21:12:12 <marja> Latte: hi 21:12:17 <Pharaoh_Atem> stormi: we need svn->git for moving to Koji anyway 21:12:17 <stormi> Latte: you've been mentioned a few times, check your actions :) 21:12:22 <Latte> I will catch up the logs... I saw there is an action item for me 21:12:35 <stormi> Oh, I had another topic 21:12:37 <stormi> can I 21:12:39 <stormi> can I 21:12:40 <stormi> can I 21:12:42 <Pharaoh_Atem> yes 21:12:44 <marja> ok 21:12:49 <stormi> #topic root access for stormi 21:12:54 <Akien> :D 21:12:56 <Pharaoh_Atem> :D 21:13:16 <stormi> The good news is I already can log in to some computers thanks to blino and danf 21:13:39 <filip_> stormi: nice 21:13:46 <stormi> But I think I might manage to convince the council to grant me more access more quickly 21:14:31 <Akien> I'm all for it, if root access is necessary to get things moving I think we can trust you with it 21:14:32 <stormi> I won't ask to decide today but I really think I'm cautious enough and that would force the remaining sysadmins to mentor me :) 21:14:34 <filip_> stormi: we trust you but do the sysadmins trust your knowledge? 21:14:49 <filip_> not to break stuff 21:14:51 <stormi> Well I can promise not to touch what I don't understand :) 21:15:05 <marja> that's fine with me, you've been around since the beginning, built madb, never destroyed things... but a former sysadmin said that good puppet knowledge was needed 21:15:34 <marja> stormi: but if you don't touch what you don't understand, that's good enough for me 21:15:37 <stormi> Once I know I *can* do stuff I'll be motivated to learn 21:15:53 <Akien> The only thing is that now sysadmins are looking into adding more granularity for real, so it shouldn't stop their effort if in the end all apprentices get root access :p 21:15:53 <stormi> Of course, if there are ways to make me help without giving such powers, fine 21:15:54 <schultz__> Sounds sensible to me anyway 21:15:54 <Pharaoh_Atem> get some DO boxes to play destructively :) 21:16:08 <stormi> Yeah, maybe we could give them some weeks 21:16:51 <Akien> But on the principle I see now issue with giving stormi full root access. 21:16:57 <filip_> +1 21:17:01 <stormi> At least I've got your feeling about it, let's see what I do with that next :) 21:17:02 <marja> Akien: now or no? 21:17:13 <Akien> marja: now 21:17:27 <Akien> blino has been looking into the work danf had started, and discussed it with pterjan toda 21:17:28 <marja> Akien: which issue do you see, then? 21:17:29 <Akien> *today 21:17:38 <Akien> Ah, "no" :p 21:17:41 <stormi> I've always wanted to delete the whole repositories in one command 21:17:42 <marja> lol 21:17:47 <Pharaoh_Atem> :S 21:18:02 <filip_> stormi: that makes you capable ;) 21:18:02 * Pharaoh_Atem has known sysadmins who have done that on a whim 21:18:34 <filip_> Pharaoh_Atem: are you aprrentice too? 21:18:48 <DavidWHodgins> I've had that level of authority on a production system before. Scary! 21:18:48 <stormi> So let me see with blino and neoclust how we can move forward and if root access is required to be really useful then I'll formally ask for it 21:18:54 <marja> stormi: I remember someone wiping all of our git .... you probably already had that power, too (at least back then) 21:19:02 <Pharaoh_Atem> filip_: nope 21:19:07 <stormi> Pharaoh_Atem: you'd like to? 21:19:30 <stormi> (so that you can fix your sysadmin bugs yourself :)) 21:19:32 <Pharaoh_Atem> I certainly wouldn't mind, might help me feel like helping out from time to time :) 21:19:41 <Pharaoh_Atem> yes, well, that would be nice, wouldn't it :D 21:19:56 <Pharaoh_Atem> but now I have you, so I'm fine :) 21:20:00 <stormi> Then I think we should discuss that with blino and neoclust sometime later tonight or tomorrow 21:20:01 <filip_> Pharaoh_Atem: we need mirrorbrain ;) 21:20:21 <Pharaoh_Atem> mb is a very confusing situation :( 21:20:46 <stormi> Ok let's end the meeting and put our headsets on? 21:21:07 <Pharaoh_Atem> :) 21:21:31 * DavidWHodgins keeps forgetting to get a new one when I'm out shopping 21:21:42 <marja> filip_: tmb made a start http://gitweb.mageia.org/infrastructure/puppet/tree/modules/mirrorbrain 21:21:43 <[mbot> [ puppet - Mageia Infrastructure Configuration ] 21:22:21 <stormi> 5 21:22:23 <schultz__> So what site is the new meeting thing? 21:22:26 <stormi> 4 21:22:30 <stormi> 3 21:22:33 <stormi> 2 21:22:36 <stormi> 42 21:22:39 <stormi> 0 21:22:41 <stormi> #endmeeting