20:10:18 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:10:18 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Jan 10 20:10:18 2017 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:10:18 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:10:25 <ennael> hi all and first 20:10:28 <stormi> welcome Inigo_Montoya 20:10:37 <ennael> happy new year 2017 evrybody 20:10:45 <marja> thx, same to you and all 20:11:23 <ennael> let start whit our favorite 2016 topic 20:11:29 <ennael> #topic mageia 6 20:11:41 <stormi> and favorite 2018 topic maybe 20:11:42 <filip_> and HNY to the whole community as well 20:11:54 <wilcal> Latest set of live isos actually look pretty good 20:12:04 <ennael> classical isos are on the way 20:12:05 <wilcal> these are pretest isos 20:12:07 <papoteur_> Hello 20:12:11 <ennael> I was missing last updates 20:12:30 <wilcal> installed them a few days ago and updated, successfully, today 20:12:57 <wilcal> I've a hardware install of M6 Plasma nvidia i7 and that's going strong 20:13:11 <wilcal> it includes Vbox and I'm doing most of my testing on that 20:13:18 <wilcal> testing M6 on M6 20:13:20 <stormi> ennael: could you pick latest x11-server? 20:13:22 <ennael> I have M6 also on Plasma here on my laptop 20:13:34 <ennael> installed with a test iso without any pb 20:13:40 <wilcal> Plasma looks very very good at this point 20:13:46 <ennael> stormi: yep that was my intention 20:13:56 <marja> with latest x11-server it's fine :-) 20:13:59 <ennael> still we have notification broken... 20:14:09 <marja> ? 20:14:15 <ennael> but it seems there is a meeting with tv on monday 20:14:21 <marja> nice 20:14:28 <wilcal> note I do a full install to a blank drive using latest boot.iso about 1x per week and that goes well 20:14:29 <stormi> I should have one with him indeed 20:14:40 <marja> ah, the applets are broken, yes 20:14:49 <marja> mgaapplet and net-applet 20:14:52 <ennael> stormi: I'm not available but I hope you will get some answers :) 20:14:59 <wilcal> there are still wrinkles but overall it's a working system 20:15:12 <wilcal> no more "Good Luck" blank screen :-0 20:15:14 <ennael> at lease 20:15:16 <ennael> oups 20:15:41 <ennael> at least I've tested last week kubuntu and mint and I must our KDE integration is really nice 20:15:59 <wilcal> Plasma integration 20:16:12 <marja> is it possible to discuss replacing the 32bit Live isos with 32bit Live isos with light DEs (and leave the 64bit Lives as they are)? 20:16:34 <stormi> marja: now? 20:16:35 <wilcal> I think that's a great idea marja 20:16:38 <marja> martin is willing to create them 20:16:43 <marja> stormi: ye 20:16:45 <marja> yep 20:16:59 <ennael> can you just remind us the reason ? 20:17:06 <ennael> (for the logs) 20:17:36 <marja> it's in comment 10 here https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14045#c10 20:17:38 <[mbot> [ Bug 14045 ditch Gnome Live for a lighter, more stable, desktop environment ] 20:17:43 <marja> but also on our mailing list: 20:18:32 <papoteur_> as replacement or in addition? 20:18:37 <marja> because the systems that are only 32bit capable, are (as good as) never capable of nicely running Gnome or Plasma5 in Live mode 20:18:46 <marja> papoteur_: as replacement 20:19:07 <wilcal> replacement of the 32-bit live Plasma isos with a lite PE 20:20:04 <marja> and hardware that's capable of nicely running Gnome or Plasma in Live mode, is (as good as) always 64bit capable 20:20:07 <wilcal> Display Enviornment 20:21:00 <papoteur> It seems a good idea. But it should not delay the release. 20:21:10 <marja> I thought XFCE, because it's well maintained, and one more... it would be nice to have both a qt and a gtk light iso 20:21:15 <stormi> nor divert our working forces indeed 20:21:44 <stormi> I would provide only one extra DE if any 20:21:58 <stormi> Is XFCE light enough? 20:22:40 <marja> stormi: we can ask martin to create a few pretest isos, to find out 20:22:50 <wilcal> I run XFCE on a circa 2004 system here without a problem 20:22:55 <wilcal> M5 20:23:27 <stormi> Then go for XFCE if well maintained indeed 20:23:47 <marja> yeah, wally maintains it very well 20:23:50 <stormi> Live ISOs or kind of show-off for Mageia so it needs to be well maintained 20:24:31 <stormi> But Martin's talent could be used for blockers too if I were to choose :) 20:27:06 <marja> is everybody OK with asking Martin to spin a 32bit XFCE live iso (if we ditch two fat 32bit isos for one light 32bit iso, then it'll be less work for him in the end) 20:27:38 <marja> and for QA team, too ;-) 20:27:42 <stormi> If he's really enthusiastic about it 20:27:51 <ennael> we need an explanation to be prepared fot both sta2 and final release 20:28:17 <marja> and we need to workaround our locked wiki 20:28:21 <wilcal> yes marja 20:28:34 <filip_> I'm OK if we can say that it won't push mga6 to far to the future 20:29:15 <ennael> #action check with Martin about replacing current 32 bits isos with one xfce iso (time needed, workload) 20:29:35 <filip_> isobuilders know well that such work is time consuming. can Martin afford that? 20:29:55 <ennael> filip_: at the end it may be less time 20:30:02 <stormi> I'm OK if it doesn't push mga6 any hour more in the future 20:30:10 <ennael> as plasma an gnome are 2 monsters to integrate 20:30:18 <filip_> stormi: ;) 20:30:32 <papoteur> ennael: sure 20:30:57 <marja> filip_: I can't find his mail, but I'm pretty sure he was even willing to spin such iso while keeping the Plasma and Gnome 32bit ones 20:31:20 <wilcal> Gnome on M6 this time around has gone surprising well 20:31:44 <filip_> marja: Martin will tell us as now mine decision is uninformed ;) 20:32:23 <papoteur> Akien: hello 20:32:40 <ennael> ok let's wait for his answer then 20:33:01 <ennael> any question/comment from QA people ? 20:33:01 <marja> Martin even asked me to discuss it in council: "Or as a 5th option? I'm in favour of this, but as I commented in https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14045, this is something council has to decide. Can you get council to discuss it? 20:33:05 <[mbot> [ Invalid Bug ID ] 20:33:05 <marja> " 20:34:25 <papoteur> OK 20:35:47 <papoteur> next topic? 20:35:50 <ennael> anyother question ? 20:36:04 <ennael> papoteur is in a hurry :) 20:36:06 <marja> forwarded Martins request 20:36:12 <ennael> thanks marja 20:36:21 <marja> (and s/Dee/See/ in that mail) 20:36:28 <stormi> He's right not to like blanks in a meeting :) 20:36:43 <ennael> take a breath :) 20:36:50 <ennael> do we have sysadmins around ? 20:37:11 <ennael> seems not :) 20:37:27 <papoteur> I can go playing with my clarinet, thus, 20:37:31 <ennael> :) 20:37:35 <marja> papoteur: enjoy :-) 20:37:41 <ennael> #topic Quick financial review 20:37:54 <ennael> ok just a quick review about this 20:38:13 <ennael> despite last expenses (goodies, hardware) we still have a fair amount in bank 20:38:20 <ennael> nearly 23k € 20:38:32 <marja> woot 20:38:49 <stormi> not enough to hire someone though :) 20:38:50 <ennael> and it seems like christmas inspired a lot people, donations increased around this period 20:38:58 <marja> nice 20:38:59 <wilcal> In your opinion what is our biggest source of income? 20:39:16 <ennael> donations 20:39:44 <ennael> events are rather a way to spread mageia not get some more money 20:40:02 <marja> stormi: but maybe (if that is done at all in RedHat) to pay some weeks leave from his job for tv to work on Mga issues 20:40:04 <ennael> and maybe we should change the way we manage goddies based on it 20:40:34 <ennael> marja: I don't think so :) btw he is now working for RH 20:40:52 <ennael> sorry Red Hat 20:41:15 <marja> ennael: that's what I said, RedHat ;-) 20:41:16 <filip_> I respect RH our ancestor ;) 20:41:18 <papoteur> in France? 20:41:19 <ennael> oups 20:41:23 <ennael> yep 20:41:31 <ennael> marja: sorry I read too fast 20:41:42 <wilcal> There's a history of Red Hat hiring Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia people 20:41:44 <marja> ennael: no problem, glad I'm not the only one to do that 20:42:15 <ennael> still based on last event in Paris I really think we should take part of this money to work on goodies and advertisement for mageia 20:42:33 <wilcal> Where would you place ads? 20:42:54 <ennael> sorry wrong words 20:43:02 <ennael> not advertisement but communication 20:43:10 <wilcal> better word :-)) 20:43:12 <marja> and spend it on better spreading the word that it is great to contribute to Mageia 20:43:45 <filip_> do sysadmins need any investment? 20:43:55 <stormi> a cloning machine 20:44:00 <marja> probably 20:44:01 <ennael> yep a new server 20:44:09 <ennael> we have to do it with tmb 20:44:32 <ennael> bntw neoclust told me one of his colleague could help and go to datacenter when needed 20:45:34 <marja> ah, yeah... I think I forgot to thank that guy when he was in #mageia-sysadm :-( 20:45:56 <papoteur> we don't need to stock treasure ;) 20:46:03 <ennael> yep 20:46:29 <wilcal> wilcal raises his hand enthusiastically do a trip from San Diego to Marseille 20:46:42 <ennael> :) 20:47:26 <ennael> be careful Fox New said that France was a No GO zone :) 20:47:54 <wilcal> I don't believe any of that. I've been in France dozens of times no problems 20:48:02 <marja> they only said that for fear he'll stay in France 20:48:19 <marja> they don't want to lose him 20:48:21 <ennael> as we are in the beginning of 2017 could we start a list of proposals on a pad for 2017 ? 20:48:32 <wilcal> Many/most Americans don't understand France 20:48:34 <filip_> wilcal: if you can help sysadmins I see that as a good think 20:48:34 <ennael> goodies, TS, design.... whatever 20:48:50 <filip_> s/think/thing 20:49:05 <Akien> ennael: good idea, we could use some good resolutions :) 20:49:42 <filip_> Akien: do resolutions actually work ;) 20:49:58 <Akien> Ours yes :p 20:50:29 <ennael> https://bimestriel.framapad.org/p/Mageia_wish_list_for_2017 20:50:30 <[mbot> [ Framapad bimestriel ] 20:55:40 <ennael> ok would you like to swich to a kind of team review or shall we stop now ? 20:57:03 <wilcal> I'm done qa is likely to release M6 pretest isos by Thur 20:57:18 <ennael> papoteur: we need you for the music :) 20:57:30 <marja> ennael: I'm only concerned about docteam, now, because of the locked wiki (which needed to be locked because of massive spamming) 20:57:49 <ennael> #topic team review 20:58:11 <ennael> #info docteam: locked wiki 20:58:18 <ennael> do we have any alternative solution.? 20:58:33 <papoteur> unlock it ? 20:58:37 <marja> ennael: but there is probably no news... tmb suggested upgrading the wiki, simonnzg was going to look into it, and that's about it (apart from nikerabbit from upstream being very willing to help) 20:58:59 <marja> I think unlocking could be tried 20:59:33 <marja> but upgrading very soon would be better 20:59:34 <papoteur> I think also we have to try for the moment, 20:59:48 <marja> papoteur: yeah 21:00:08 <ennael> ok I ping neoclust for it if needed 21:00:22 <papoteur> OK 21:00:33 <marja> and the Nuke wiki extension might even be available for our old wiki (so that if spamming starts again, it'll be easier to mass-remove those pages) 21:01:06 <papoteur> In docteam, we are waiting for the new backgroup in installer. We deal with it? 21:01:27 <marja> papoteur: I don't understand the question 21:01:34 <papoteur> sWe/Who 21:01:43 <marja> what's a backgroup? 21:02:20 <papoteur> the backgroup of the left panel. It's always the Mageia 5 one. 21:02:29 <marja> papoteur: background 21:02:33 <ennael> ah 21:02:51 <papoteur> oops 21:03:01 <marja> papoteur: np ;-) 21:03:02 <ennael> I can build the sta2 iso with a proper background even if it's not perfect 21:03:11 <marja> ennael: thanks 21:03:39 <papoteur> we need the final background. 21:03:53 <ennael> I will do one 21:03:54 <papoteur> not an intermediate one. 21:03:58 <ennael> not that difficult 21:04:07 <marja> papoteur: without "sta2" or "RC", right? 21:04:15 <ennael> and using new theme 21:04:41 <papoteur> yes, with the new theme. 21:04:46 <ennael> I will post it when it's done 21:04:49 <ennael> to check with you 21:04:58 <ennael> is that ok? 21:04:59 <papoteur> I though that atellier dealt with it. 21:05:05 <marja> nice 21:05:12 <papoteur> ennael OK. Thanks 21:05:55 <papoteur> We have a new manual on Live install. It should be reviewed for English language. 21:06:32 <ennael> can you send the link on -dev ML and discuss ? 21:06:39 <ennael> also maybe we can try on forums 21:06:41 <papoteur> s/liveinstall/NetInstall 21:06:50 <ennael> to find new contibuters 21:06:52 <ennael> +r 21:07:28 <marja> papoteur: maybe Margot Lawrence could be asked https://wiki.mageia.org/en/I18n_teams#English 21:07:31 <papoteur> I have Carolyn proposition for now, since some months. 21:08:15 <papoteur> marja: I will try to find soneone. 21:08:41 <marja> yeah, Carolyn's days have only 24 hours 21:08:46 <marja> papoteur: thanks 21:09:17 <papoteur> We have also to add new manuals to the mageia.org/doc page. 21:09:40 <marja> filip_: grenoya: ^^^ 21:09:41 <papoteur> I hope that filip_ can help. 21:10:28 <papoteur> It's all for me :) 21:10:32 <ennael> thanks :) 21:10:39 <filip_> papoteur: did you create files to DL and send email? 21:10:40 <marja> papoteur: merci 21:10:42 <ennael> anybody else ? 21:11:07 <marja> ennael: communicating about Fosdem (your talk, GA, dinner)? 21:11:15 <papoteur> filip_: I will send you a mail. 21:11:26 <ennael> #topic coming events 21:11:33 <ennael> ok quick note then 21:11:49 <filip_> papoteur: thx. I'll try to do it in weekend 21:11:53 <ennael> we will have a talk during FOSDEM in distro room about Mageia 21:12:03 <ennael> https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/mageia_successes_and_lessons/ 21:12:04 <papoteur> filip_: :) 21:12:04 <[mbot> [ FOSDEM 2017 - Mageia, successes and lessons learned 6 years after forking ] 21:12:20 <marja> \o/ 21:12:27 <Latte_> nice 21:12:32 <Pharaoh_Atem> ah here now 21:12:36 <wilcal> excellent 21:12:38 <Pharaoh_Atem> I didn't miss it! 21:12:40 <Latte_> will it be recorded / streamed? 21:12:46 <ennael> should be 21:12:51 <marja> nice 21:12:52 <ennael> recorded 21:13:13 <ennael> about GA I'd like to propose to have it online as I'm not sure we will have much people there 21:13:20 <marja> ok 21:13:30 <ennael> it's in our status we can do it 21:13:40 <ennael> maybe try an audio one 21:13:54 <ennael> wdyt? 21:14:00 <stormi> yes, plus a pad maybe 21:14:03 <ennael> yep 21:14:08 <stormi> or anything that allows for interaction 21:14:13 <marja> pad for people with bad ears 21:14:26 <ennael> so that would be great if all teams can work on a review 21:14:33 <ennael> what they did 21:14:37 <ennael> + and - 21:14:44 <ennael> what for 2017 21:14:49 <ennael> wdyt? 21:14:57 <ennael> more interactive one 21:16:02 <marja> I don't understand how the reviews will be more interactive.... they'll be made ahead of the GA, or do I misunderstand? 21:16:33 <ennael> it means 21:16:45 <ennael> not only one person speaking 21:16:54 <ennael> but representative and maybe more 21:17:44 <ennael> (sorry my connection is a bit eratic tonight) 21:18:11 <marja> I've never tried an online audio meeting, have ever felt tempted because reading works better for me. 21:19:01 <marja> and there's one more reason.... I'm not sure I can partake 21:19:13 <marja> but I'm for trying it ;-) 21:19:26 <marja> s/ever/never/ 21:19:54 <Latte_> but it would be at a weekend? 21:19:59 <ennael> we can give a try and stop if it's too messy 21:20:00 <Latte_> or in the evening? 21:20:13 <ennael> we could propose some dates and see what is the best one 21:20:28 <Latte_> I would also try an audio meeting 21:20:49 <Latte_> something different that a meeting on IRC 21:21:43 <marja> (marja now remembers a Mageian contributor who said he only understands English when it's spoken by someone French ;-) ) 21:22:27 <ennael> :)) 21:22:40 <ennael> french accent 21:22:47 <marja> yes :-) 21:23:05 <ennael> ok we need some time to prepare it 21:23:14 <ennael> so let say no date before 3 weeks ? 21:23:19 <marja> ok 21:23:27 <ennael> after FOSDEM 21:23:35 <marja> yes 21:23:52 <ennael> ok I will propose some dates on council ML before making it public 21:23:58 <marja> ok 21:24:05 <ennael> if you have any idea on the way we can do it 21:24:05 <Latte_> sounds good 21:26:15 <marja> stormi: you like audio meetings, don't you have ideas on how to do it? ^^^ 21:26:27 <stormi> No :) 21:26:35 <stormi> Well except that I'd use mumble 21:26:37 <marja> stormi: that's nasty :-þ 21:26:48 <marja> (the No was nasty) 21:27:29 <marja> #info stormi suggest using mumble for the audio meeting 21:27:40 <marja> (not sure I can do infos) 21:27:52 <ennael> ok 21:28:03 <ennael> #chair marja 21:28:03 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael marja 21:28:09 <ennael> girls :) 21:28:16 <marja> :-) 21:28:19 <marja> #info stormi suggest using mumble for the audio meeting 21:28:42 <marja> stormi: thx :-) 21:28:49 <ennael> anything else ? 21:29:05 <Latte_> just regarding conferences 21:29:22 <Latte_> we had applied for the Chemnitz Linux Days 21:29:25 <marja> #topic regarding conferences 21:29:47 <Latte_> but no official response for now 21:30:01 <ennael> nice anyway 21:30:07 <Latte_> deadline was on 8th Jan (last Sunday) 21:30:20 <marja> #info Latte cs have applied for the Chemnitz Linux Days 21:30:24 <Latte_> so we are waiting for a response from the orga team 21:30:54 <marja> #info and are waiting for a reply 21:31:18 <Latte_> we have 4 people fix as attendees - so should be good if would work 21:31:27 <marja> nice :-) 21:31:46 <marja> you have a poster, USB keys, T-shirts? 21:32:13 <Latte_> a poster can be printed (we have a template) 21:32:18 <marja> good 21:32:31 <Latte_> I still some pens and Alfred still some USB-Sticks 21:32:43 <Latte_> *have* 21:32:51 <marja> no more T-shirts? 21:33:25 <Latte_> the old t-shirts are still at magnus and we didn't manage to contact him :/ 21:33:37 <Latte_> Alfred will try it again 21:33:45 <marja> thx Alfred 21:33:54 <ennael> thanks for all this 21:34:19 <Latte_> btw it's in march 21:34:45 <Latte_> I think arond 17/18 - I have to check 21:34:50 <marja> that gives enough time to have more goodies sent to you, if needed 21:35:17 <ennael> https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2017/en/ 21:35:18 <[mbot> [ CLT2017 · Chemnitz Linux Days 2017 ] 21:35:36 <Latte_> thanks ennael 21:35:39 <marja> March 11 and 12 21:36:31 <marja> is there anything else that needs to be discussed? 21:36:37 <wilcal> not from me 21:37:30 <marja> everyone's fallen asleep ;-) 21:37:52 <ennael> looks so :) 21:37:54 <wilcal> watch'n Man UTD. vs Reading 21:38:03 <marja> Thanks all for attending the meeting and thanks ennael for chairing it :-) 21:38:08 <ennael> ok let's close it then 21:38:08 <marja> #endmeeting