19:05:37 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:05:37 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Tue Oct 18 19:05:37 2016 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:05:37 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
19:05:43 <ennael> #chair Akien
19:05:43 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: Akien ennael
19:06:15 <ennael> argh they are 2
19:06:45 <Akien_> Always need some more Akiens
19:07:02 <ennael> ok thanks all for being there tonight
19:07:11 <ennael> long time without meeting, hope you are all ok
19:07:40 <DavidWHodgins> I've been having my usual problems, so haven't been very active lately
19:07:50 <marja> hi all
19:08:00 <wilcal> hello marja
19:08:03 * ennael gives some tea, beer, pizzas
19:08:08 <marja> wilcal: :-)
19:08:14 <marja> ennael: thx
19:08:33 <ennael> #topic infra upgrade
19:08:40 <ennael> ok first topic
19:08:47 <ennael> Akien: want to talk ?
19:08:50 <marja> stormi: meeting time
19:08:57 <Akien> Sure
19:09:40 <Akien> So the ifnra upgrade has been on the table for some time, as I understand it we bought some hardware and we were waiting on maat to find time to install it (he conveniently ping timeouted :p)
19:09:57 <Akien> maat seems pretty busy lately, and our other sysadmins too :)
19:10:27 <Akien> The thing is, the infra is one of the things that are slowing us down, as we can't e.g. build ISOs for Mageia 5.1 and 6 sta2 concurrently.
19:10:39 <t_m_b> hm... maat had scheduled a DC wisit in mid august ... what happend to that ?
19:10:55 <marja> t_m_b: he asked for assistance, and no one replied
19:11:22 <Akien> I think there was some missed communication yes, when maat was there others were not there to give instructions, and when others were there, maat was MIA :)
19:11:27 <marja> t_m_b: that is, no one as far as i could see
19:11:51 <t_m_b> assistance of what... ? I had given specific info what needed to be done :/
19:12:03 * t_m_b goes diging old mails
19:12:30 <ennael> I think so...
19:12:39 * marja will dig her irc logs
19:12:45 <ennael> well maybe what we could organize as said this afternoon
19:12:57 <ennael> try to have pterjan and maat at the same time
19:14:01 <t_m_b> ok, that would be nice...
19:14:22 <ennael> just need to ping pascal as soon as possible to plan this
19:15:16 <Akien> I couldn't grad pterjan to discuss this with him today, but I had the idea that if he can arrange that, we could have Mageia.org pay for a trip to the DC - we have pretty good resources, we mostly lack time and manpower :)
19:15:18 <marja> t_m_b: it was in a mail, end of July, he asked: "-> Who can be available and when in the 8/aug -> 12/aug timeframe ?"
19:15:42 <ennael> Akien: we already paid for guys going there before
19:15:47 <marja> t_m_b: he wanted someone to chat with
19:15:49 <wilcal> dc in Marsilles
19:15:57 <ennael> the only free one was maat as he lives there
19:16:31 <Akien> Yep, ideally if we could have both pterjan and maat physically there one day, it would be great, as they could work together and maat could be "taught" how the setup is built.
19:16:40 <ennael> indeed
19:17:11 <Akien> Additionally, since getting the hardware installed and configured is the biggest hurdle: do we have potential other needs of hardware for the DC?
19:17:28 <t_m_b> marja, ah, thanks, found it...
19:17:29 <Akien> As mentioned, we have some monetary reserves, so if we need a real upgrade, we could probably afford it.
19:17:44 <Akien> (haven't concerted the treasurer about that yet though :p)
19:18:13 <Akien> Or is the to-be-installed hardware enough for LO?
19:18:19 <t_m_b> Well, there was talk about buying a new server ~1 year ago...but seems that died out somewhere...
19:18:39 <t_m_b> But new server delivery time can be long unless you pay extra
19:18:50 <ennael> nope we could have it in time
19:19:11 <ennael> the longest thing is payment :)
19:19:36 <t_m_b> (the new server was supposed to take the workload originally planned for sucuk)
19:19:55 <ennael> I can relaunch discussion with Dell about the server
19:20:05 <ennael> just have to dig mails about specs
19:20:51 <t_m_b> ok
19:22:44 <Akien> If pterjan can't do the trip, we could send stormi, he's 2h train away from the DC :p
19:22:55 <Akien> Two apprentice sysadmins together might manage to get the job done with some IRC help
19:23:24 <Akien> (I'm not volunteering stormi, he mentioned it himself already ;))
19:23:38 <marja> yeah, he did
19:23:38 <t_m_b> :)
19:23:51 <ennael> the 3 of them if they want :)
19:24:15 <ennael> ok I wil reach pascal tomorrow and ask him
19:24:58 <marja> ennael: t_m_b: do we need to discuss different hosting (dedibox or whatever), too?
19:25:29 <ennael> well that's not a real issue, we need to have some :)
19:25:43 <ennael> and Mageia has money so it's time to use it properly
19:26:07 <Akien> Yeah, we're too rich so donations are slowing down :p
19:26:16 <ennael> tsss :)
19:27:21 * marja looks forward to seeing our improved (and redundand where needed) infra :-)
19:27:57 <Akien> Hope it comes with sysadmin redundancy too :o)
19:28:02 <marja> ennael: does danf live close to Marseille, too?
19:28:09 <ennael> no idea
19:28:17 <marja> Akien: well, three apprentices is a good start
19:28:20 <Akien> marja: I think he's in Germany, around Munich IIRC
19:28:44 <marja> Akien: ah, thx
19:28:50 <ennael> anything else on that topic ?
19:29:19 <marja> not here
19:29:32 <Akien> I think we're good council-wise, now it needs to be pushed further on the sysadmin ML for the additional hosting, and with pterjan for a potnetial trip to the DC :)
19:29:53 <Akien> But I think we all more or less agree to necessary expenses that could be tied to improving the infra
19:30:45 <marja> yes
19:31:02 <marja> without good infra, we're lost
19:31:32 <DavidWHodgins> Who actually has the new hard drives?
19:31:38 <marja> DavidWHodgins: maat
19:31:44 <ennael> ok next topic ?
19:31:51 <Akien> yep
19:31:53 <marja> yes
19:31:59 <ennael> #topic Mageia 5.1
19:32:14 <ennael> burning topic
19:32:16 <ennael> :)
19:32:25 <marja> :-)
19:32:26 <ennael> first manythianks to t_m_b and qa team
19:32:27 <DavidWHodgins> Waiting for kernel update, which was validated a few minutes ago
19:32:34 <ennael> it's done now
19:32:40 <ennael> and synced on rabbit the build machine
19:33:13 <t_m_b> next up is to roll up new drakx-installer* packages from http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/drakx/log/?h=distro/mga5
19:33:40 <ennael> yep will do it after the meeting
19:34:05 <t_m_b> I thought tv was planning on merging some grub2 fixes,but seems nothing is done, so I'd say we'll go with what's in git now
19:34:34 <ennael> yep
19:34:48 <ennael> when it's done then I will push it to testing
19:35:01 <ennael> then we need validation before having it for isos
19:35:07 <t_m_b> ennael, when you build new rpms, make the deps properly versioned to ensure it picks up the packages in testing.
19:35:28 <ennael> ?
19:36:06 <t_m_b> ennael, nope, in order to test them, you need to manually uncopress the files on rabbit and put them in frozen repo
19:36:25 <t_m_b> (as stage2 only gets tested that way)
19:37:36 <t_m_b> then when 5.1 isos are validated, we update stage2 and iso files in distrib tree
19:38:06 <ennael> ok even better it will be faster
19:39:09 <ennael> so I hope to be able to provide isos tomorrow morning for tests
19:39:15 <marja> nice
19:40:05 <Akien> Awesome :)
19:40:10 <wilcal> I'm ready
19:41:36 <Akien> It's the right time for those, as we're building some momentum around release blockers for mga6 again, so we need 5.1 released soon :D
19:41:47 <marja> :-)
19:42:07 <ennael> anything else ?
19:42:28 <t_m_b> ennael, roll drakx-installer-binaries first, then when it's done, stage2, rescue and images
19:42:38 <marja> I guess the errata will need to be updated/adjusted for Mga5.1
19:43:15 <marja> better separate errata
19:43:34 <ennael> t_m_b: yep
19:43:42 <ennael> thaks
19:43:45 <ennael> thanks
19:44:50 <ennael> #topic Mageia 6
19:44:56 <ennael> second burning topic
19:45:17 <marja> :-)
19:45:27 <wilcal> Today I executed a full M5, x86_64, Plasma install, from boot.iso to a blank drive and encountered few problems
19:45:32 <wilcal> M6 install sorry
19:45:45 <wilcal> lots and lots of apps
19:45:50 <wilcal> printer/scanner
19:45:55 <wilcal> nfs links
19:46:06 <wilcal> ect ect ect
19:46:18 <wilcal> nvidia i7 platform
19:46:41 <wilcal> Kinda prefer Plasma now :-))
19:46:47 <Akien> As announced on the dev ML, we have some new madb tools to help working on mga6 (and future releases too):
19:46:47 <Akien> madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers
19:46:52 <Akien> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/milestone
19:46:56 <Akien> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/highPriority
19:47:11 <Akien> The most interesting for us here is the list of blockers (first link) :)
19:48:39 <Akien> (it also shows a couple mga5.1 blockers, stormi should fix that ;))
19:49:02 <papoteur> the list is long :/
19:49:21 <Akien> It's long but there are quite a few would are waiting for new ISOs to be confirmed or not
19:49:52 * t_m_b closed one kernel one
19:50:34 <Akien> Nice :)
19:50:56 <Akien> I went through half of them yesterday and today (you can see the ones with activity since 0 and 1 days)
19:51:09 <Akien> Some still need to be reassessed as they haven't had activity in a month or so
19:51:47 <Akien> All in all it's not too bad I find, most of the blockers are more "reminder to fix that before the release", but not critical stuff
19:52:05 <Akien> e.g. using the new Mageia launcher icon in all DEs for the menu - if we miss on DE, it won't be a drama :)
19:52:10 <t_m_b> some plasma gpu related issues should hopefully have gone away as 5.8 supports llvmpipe fallback
19:52:25 <Akien> Nice
19:53:41 <t_m_b> then I think we still have a bug in some QT packages on i586 using SSE, making it crash on older hw...
19:54:28 <Akien> So basically once I've gone through all current blockers to review them, I plan to write a mail(s) to dev about the most critical ones to ensure they get worked on
19:55:08 <Akien> e.g. SDDM segfault/xorg crash when inputting accents (apparently related)
19:55:29 <Akien> Or the still broken mgaapplet / net_applet on Plasma
19:55:40 <Akien> But globally it's not looking too bad
19:55:52 <Akien> What's mostly needed now is new ISOs to test :)
19:56:29 <Akien> But that's not possible for now as rabbit can only handle one distro tree at once
19:56:46 <wilcal> Yes I agree M6 is looking much better then a couple months ago
19:56:58 <ennael> anyway will be hard to handle 5.1 and 6 at the same time for testing
19:57:06 <wilcal> BTW I also tested successfully Vbox on M6
19:57:14 <Akien> Testing wise, it's still the good moment to test net installs and upgrades from Mageia 5 via network
19:57:15 <wilcal> M6 running Vbox
19:57:31 <Akien> I'll encourage the devs to do some installs and upgrades
19:57:46 <Akien> We can't leave all the work to the QA team already busy with 5.1 :)
20:02:20 <Akien> Next topic? :p
20:02:45 <ennael> #topic Atelier: goodies, Open Source Summit, upcoming FOSDEM
20:04:12 * t_m_b gets an ... ooohhhh ... a brand new mga release for fosdem feling :)
20:04:21 <marja> :-D
20:05:37 <Akien> Hehe
20:05:47 <Akien> Let's try to keep 6 in 2016 ;)
20:06:18 <ennael> \o/
20:06:24 <Akien> So IIUC Open Source Summit is pretty soon, and we'll have various contributors there
20:06:25 <ennael> so FOSDEM stand has been asked
20:06:40 <ennael> they will answer in mid november
20:08:39 <lebarhon> Paris OSS is 16 and 17 next month
20:08:47 <ennael> yep
20:08:58 <ennael> working on goodies to have it ready in time
20:09:25 <lebarhon> do you consider flyers are goodies?
20:10:27 <ennael> will be included yes :)
20:10:33 <ennael> I have to answer on atelier
20:10:38 <lebarhon> Ok thanks
20:10:40 <ennael> is the text full ready ?
20:10:47 <ennael> if so I will print it
20:11:50 <lebarhon> do you mean the text from stormi or the FODEM one?
20:12:24 <ennael> the one that will be chosen :)
20:13:27 <marja> ennael: do you have a color laser printer?
20:13:55 <marja> ennael: if so, it would be nice if you'd print the Dutch flyers
20:14:14 <marja> (for Fosdem)
20:14:45 <ennael> I'm not using mine :)
20:14:50 <ennael> but I can try to do it
20:15:50 <marja> ennael: thx
20:19:54 <Akien> Time to wrap up the meeting I guess :)
20:20:30 <Akien> Last topic was for stormi but he conveniently "forgot" about the meeting again :p
20:20:50 <Akien> t_m_b: stormi would like to have readonly access to the bugzilla DB from madb (and from home for development purposes)
20:21:03 <Akien> Any idea how that could be done? pterjan seemed not to know how it's setup
20:21:59 <t_m_b> its protected by acls in postgresql configs
20:23:23 <ennael> is madb hosted on mageia infra ?
20:23:24 <t_m_b> so it could be fixed with a new "read-only" user in bugzilla db, and adding acls according to ip
20:23:39 <t_m_b> ennael, not now, no room...
20:23:43 <ennael> ok
20:24:06 <t_m_b> it could be moved once new disks are installed...
20:24:40 <t_m_b> iirc stormi wanted that in the beginning too
20:24:46 <Akien> yeah
20:26:59 <t_m_b> anyway, I need to get some sleep now
20:27:06 <marja> t_m_b: good night
20:27:18 <ennael> good night t_m_b
20:27:22 <filip> gn t_m_b
20:27:23 <wilcal> awaiting isos of any kind here :-)
20:27:36 <t_m_b> good night all
20:27:50 <ennael> anything else for that meeting ?
20:27:57 <marja> not here
20:28:05 <wilcal> i'm done
20:29:30 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here
20:29:51 <Akien> I'm good too :)
20:30:01 <ennael> ok thanks all for attending
20:30:15 <ennael> and get ready for isos
20:30:21 <ennael> #endmeeting