19:20:15 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:20:15 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Tue May 10 19:20:15 2016 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:20:15 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:21:14 <ennael> hi all 19:21:47 <Schultz> Hey :) 19:22:56 <ennael> ok let start 19:23:05 <ennael> #topic Mageia 6 sta1 isos 19:23:28 <ennael> who wants to start ? 19:23:38 <DavidWHodgins> I'd like to see bug 17233 fixed before releasing the sta1 live iso images 19:24:06 <DavidWHodgins> For the classical iso images, I think we should go ahead and release them, to get a wider testing audience. 19:24:15 <marja> sta1 only bug list is https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?f1=keywords&o1=anywords&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&v1=6sta1 19:24:34 <marja> DavidWHodgins: I think grub2 needs to be updated on the classical ones 19:24:45 <wilcal> I just successfully installed an M6 x86_64 from boot.iso on real hardware. That's an accomplishment 19:24:53 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: I'm working on fixing some easy bugs on stage2 like label and Plasma vs KDE 19:25:00 <Akien> I haven't tested the ISOs myself yet, but I saw many bug reports about grub2 issues. It turns out tv had added Fedora patches for secure boot that borked some stuff; barjac and tmb reverted that, but is the new grub on the ISOs? 19:25:14 <wilcal> the live ISO's look pretty good 19:25:16 <Akien> *grub2 19:25:17 <marja> Akien: I don't think so 19:25:35 <ennael> when was it fixed ? 19:25:39 <Akien> Two days ago 19:25:47 <tmb> yeah, I'm getting tired of blind syncs of fedora crap.... 19:26:27 <marja> also, grub2-mageia-theme on the classical is an older release than the other grub2* 19:26:29 <tmb> and no, its not on the isos yet 19:26:51 <ennael> I'm on it for this 19:26:52 <tmb> and hi all :) 19:26:57 <marja> :-) 19:26:59 <ennael> hi tmb :) 19:27:45 <DavidWHodgins> Then I guess we can assume at least one more build of iso images for qa testing before releaseing sta1 19:28:12 <wilcal> Breaking News!!!!!!! 19:28:13 <ennael> yep that would better at least for classical one 19:28:16 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207 19:28:51 <wilcal> looks to have been fixed with testing the install i just did from boot.iso yipeeeee!!!! 19:29:05 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:29:07 <marja> nice 19:29:07 <Akien> wilcal: nice :) 19:29:19 <wilcal> Opening a .txt document shifts the desktop left and off the table 19:29:34 <wilcal> That probably fixed a LOT of bad things with plasma 19:29:49 <wilcal> big progress there 19:30:01 <ennael> at least one thing positive :) 19:30:03 <DavidWHodgins> Should we postpone version freeze until after sta1 is released? 19:30:28 <wilcal> The underlying OS I think is very good. Just the Plasma stuff makes it look bad 19:30:36 <DavidWHodgins> It's currently scheduled for the day after tomorrow 19:31:21 <wilcal> fwiw watching whu vs mu as i participte here :-)) 19:32:03 <Schultz> I also did a boot.iso install very recently, no bugs or gripes other than plasma not being kde4. Everything seemed very good installer wise, and nothing to report using the system either 19:32:08 <wilcal> mmmm I donno I'd like to play with this new install for awhile 19:32:41 <wilcal> there was a complaint about memtest but other then that nothing here 19:32:51 <DavidWHodgins> Note we still have sta2 before rc 19:33:21 <ennael> what about GNOME and other desktops ? 19:33:22 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: Regarding the versions freeze, I think so yes 19:33:37 <DavidWHodgins> For sta1, release should be when it installs/boots to a desktop. Problems are expected 19:33:45 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: The date was initially set to $sta1_release_date + 1, so we could keep it this way 19:34:23 <Schultz> icewm is working really well, also tested lxqt briefly and it seemed good too 19:34:32 <DavidWHodgins> Both gnome and kde are reasonable for sta1, once the desktop gets loaded 19:34:58 <wilcal> i've never had any problems with Gnome 19:35:29 <Akien> I think that for sta1 we should aim for something that will install fine albeit some possible glitches, and try to get as many users and devs to test it as possible and make bug reports/fixes 19:35:43 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed 19:35:47 <ennael> ok then I work tonight on isos 19:35:48 <Akien> Happy to hear that boot.iso installs are good now, it wasn't like that a while ago :D 19:35:56 <ennael> tmb: are you planning new one ? 19:36:12 <marja> for grub2, too? 19:36:18 <DavidWHodgins> Or are more fixes needed first? 19:36:59 <Schultz> only issue I saw with boot.iso installs was that the only wireless security mode supported was wep, but that is hardly a major issue 19:37:26 <tmb> ennael, yep I will do new isos, but I still have a kernel building I'm waiting for 19:37:48 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. wep is useless from a security point of view 19:38:00 <ennael> tmb: ok I will need stage2 also 19:38:23 <tmb> Schultz, that's an "old bug"... installer does not really support wireless 19:38:52 <tmb> its only after install you get full wireless support 19:39:03 <Schultz> yeah, thats why I said its hardly major - its not like we advertise the existance of boot-nonfree... 19:39:09 <tmb> unless you use live medias 19:39:31 <wilcal> where are we on the (non) auto-login function? 19:40:02 <wilcal> GOAL West Ham :-))) 19:40:06 <tmb> wilcal, there are suggested patches in our bugzilla I will look on 19:40:31 <Akien> DavidWHodgins, wilcal: Any showstopper for the current ISOs that has no apparent fix in progress? 19:40:42 <DavidWHodgins> Not that I know of 19:40:53 <Akien> Nice :) 19:41:01 <ennael> great 19:41:10 <wilcal> I have a working M6 systems in Vbox and on Real Hardware and that's really a good thing 19:41:31 <DavidWHodgins> bug 17233 (radeon module not being loaded) has a work around, so ok for sta1 19:41:49 <Akien> Pass our thanks to the QA guys btw, I've seen the qa-discuss@ and bugs@ MLs boiling with topics, you're all doing some great testing :) 19:42:03 <marja> +1 19:42:04 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks. Will pass that along 19:42:32 <ennael> ok is that ok for sta1 topic ? 19:42:38 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, well, next live iso should hopefully behave better 19:42:50 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: All from me. 19:43:01 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Great 19:43:41 <wilcal> ok desktop background and icons survive a reboot really good stuff 19:44:02 <marja> wilcal: which MCC icon did you get? 19:44:14 <wilcal> brb 19:45:09 <marja> wilcal: the half gear with bubbles or the ¾gear with bubbles? 19:45:18 <wilcal> the gear with the bubbles coming out of it in menu panel and desktop 19:45:35 <wilcal> and that after a reboot 19:45:37 <marja> wilcal: does it have a dark blue background? 19:45:46 <Akien> Still some work needed for the icons integration, but we can discuss that in the third meeting topic :) 19:45:49 <Akien> ennael: I think we can move on 19:45:50 <wilcal> no it's transparent 19:45:56 <wilcal> looks good 19:46:08 <marja> wilcal: it's been updated since that version ;-) 19:46:14 <Schultz> yeah sounds good 19:46:29 <wilcal> live testing here :-)) 19:47:00 <ennael> ok 19:47:16 <ennael> #topic teams review 19:48:37 <DavidWHodgins> Qa team working well. Nothing much to report 19:48:53 <wilcal> we need support and replacement for Luigi 19:49:09 <ennael> ? 19:49:22 <wilcal> David our security updates guy 19:49:39 <marja> ennael: Luigi12 will change jobs and end up having much less time 19:49:44 <wilcal> MrsB is best to explain all that 19:49:52 <ennael> ok I missed that 19:50:06 <Akien> Not direct "replacement", but we need to grow the security team indeed to better split the work 19:50:08 <DavidWHodgins> That's a dev team issue. Luigi12_work is doing over 90% of security updates. Help needed from other packagers 19:50:15 <marja> ennael: so far, philippem volunteered to help 19:50:15 <wilcal> A super opportunity for someone in the packaging area 19:50:30 <wilcal> a real career builder 19:50:39 <wilcal> something for your resume 19:51:10 <Akien> wilcal: Problem is, most packagers have a pretty full resume already :p 19:51:12 <marja> ennael: and on BugSquad side, Chromo will try to monitor the LWN.net vulnerabilities and create bug reports, if needed 19:51:41 <wilcal> i love kids just out of school for this kind of stuff 19:53:06 <marja> For BugSquad: Now that there is a default assignee for bugs against "nobody" packages and for package requests, the only bugs that should be assigned to BugSquad should be new bugs and some NEEDINFO bugs, but we haven't managed to go over all those other bugs https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=bugsquad&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&f1=keywords&o1=notsubstring&query 19:53:30 <marja> still ± 800 to go 19:53:42 <DavidWHodgins> Wow 19:53:59 <marja> another thing is that there are many bugs about issues with printers/printing 19:54:10 <ennael> shall we create a tracker? 19:54:15 <ennael> for printing issues 19:54:18 <marja> ennael: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18367 19:54:23 <marja> ^^^ 19:54:32 <ennael> thanks :) 19:54:34 <Akien> Nice initiative for the tracker btw, it's pretty full already :D 19:56:00 <marja> I know too little a bout printing to triage them, can't tell when a USB printer doesn't work, why that is 19:56:43 <ennael> ok we will check the right guys to be pinged about this 19:56:59 <marja> ennael: thx 19:57:29 <ennael> I can see 11 release blocker bugs only 19:57:31 <ennael> is that all ? 19:57:37 <wilcal> I should be able to finally get to testing printing soon now that I have a M6 on hardware 19:58:10 <marja> ennael: for BugSquad, yes, unless stormi or Akien adds something 19:58:22 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: I expect there will be a lot more once wider testing happens. I.E. after sta1 or sta2 release 19:58:27 <ennael> ok 19:58:36 <Akien> ennael: For release blockers we have been relatively forgiving up to now, I guess more will come :) 19:58:45 <Akien> The plasma5 tracker is pretty huge too 19:58:56 <Akien> (but many of its issues are upstream bugs) 19:59:00 <marja> ennael: sorry, missed "release blocker" in your question 19:59:03 <DavidWHodgins> I don't tend to mark bugs as release blocker, before version freeze 19:59:30 <marja> ennael: I agree with DavidWHodgins 20:00:03 <ennael> as you want 20:00:09 <DavidWHodgins> Many bugs get fixed with new versions, so I let a lot go that I won't after versions freeze 20:00:14 <ennael> anything for i18n team ? 20:01:45 <Akien> Not much - among other new contributors, we now have a translator for Piedmontese (a dialect of the north of Italy), but apparently it has no locale equivalent in glibc, so we're not sure how to actually include it in our tools 20:01:52 <Akien> Need to check that with tv 20:02:57 <Akien> Otherwise, business as usual 20:03:08 <ennael> ok 20:04:28 <tmb> Akien, if they can provide a locale file for glibc, we can include it 20:04:42 <ennael> woot that would be a bug one ? 20:04:54 <ennael> big 20:04:56 <ennael> argh 20:05:02 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:06:01 <Akien> tmb: Thanks, will look into it 20:06:36 <Akien> ennael: no idea :) 20:07:24 <Akien> I guess next are sysadmins? 20:07:34 <ennael> yep 20:07:42 <ennael> tmb: any news from the front? 20:07:46 <tmb> Akien, to get started, use the closest match from: https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=tree;f=localedata/locales;hb=HEAD and go from there 20:07:52 <ennael> Pterjan was in datacenter I saw 20:08:45 <tmb> yeah, but apparently we never ordered the new disks :/ and the sucuk and rabbit does not like mixing sas and sata (even if the controller hould support it 20:09:44 <tmb> so he could not re-use the old valstar disks... so we need to order new disks, ship them to maat (new address iirc) and he have to go there... 20:10:23 <tmb> other than that not much have happend on sysadm side since I've been mostly MIA :/ 20:10:47 <marja> tmb: we're glad you're here now :-) 20:10:57 <ennael> ok I need a precise list for disks and also to validate new server 20:10:58 <ennael> s 20:10:58 <Schultz> seeing as were on sysadmin stuff, did you have any luck with mediagoblin during the wiki upgrade? 20:11:11 <tmb> and ordering the new server replacing sucuk got stuck somewhere too 20:11:17 <marja> Schultz: there has not been a wiki upgrade yet 20:12:23 <Schultz> damn, I need to get my head out of the exam hole its in... 20:12:31 <tmb> wiki upgrade is simple, but our customizations need some work... I need to push what I have to git, and ask for someone to finalize customiations 20:12:42 <marja> Schultz: np ... success with your exams! 20:13:33 <tmb> then when that works I'll do a new wiki db migration 20:13:44 <marja> nice :-) 20:14:04 <marja> papoteur_: ^^^ 20:14:05 <Son_Goku> hello all 20:14:05 <Akien> Schultz: Note that mediagoblin and the wiki are two different platforms. 20:14:19 <papoteur_> For docteam, we have in preparation new manuals about Live installation, Boot.iso et a guide for first level of troubleshooting 20:14:23 <tmb> I just need to get back up to speed with a big backlog 20:15:57 <Schultz> Akien: true, it was more that tmb noted he would do them at the saem time 20:16:01 <marja> papoteur_: is daviddavid available to help push everything to svn/soft/mageia-doc and then package it? 20:16:26 <papoteur_> marja: yes, I think so. 20:16:35 <marja> papoteur_: that's good :-) 20:17:17 <papoteur_> We would need to do screen shots for the Mageia 6 release, but this a big job, if we can some automation for that, it would be great. 20:17:20 <marja> papoteur_: drakx-installer-help needs to be updated, too, will try to do it 20:18:19 <papoteur_> For what I know adapation are for available ISO and Plasma instead KDE. 20:18:32 <marja> papoteur_: I forgot to rename and import the Chinese installer screenshots into Calenco, sorry 20:18:42 <papoteur_> ;) 20:19:16 <papoteur_> That's all for docteam. 20:19:26 <ennael> thanks :) 20:19:43 <papoteur_> except if you have questions or suggestions. 20:19:45 <marja> papoteur_: we could ask iso testers to help grab screenshots (e.g. for the select Desktop screen in several languages)? 20:20:11 <marja> did that screen already get adjusted for Plasma5? 20:20:33 <papoteur_> marja: Yes, but I think also to MCC manual. 20:20:58 <marja> papoteur_: maybe ask translators to ask in their local forums and such? 20:21:44 <marja> (we've asked this before, and for some languages that worked well) 20:21:57 <papoteur_> OK, I will 20:22:04 <marja> papoteur_: merci bien :-) 20:22:12 <papoteur_> :) 20:23:21 <Akien> Last but not least, atelier I guess? 20:23:30 <Akien> Schultz: 20:23:48 <ennael> and about mageia 6 design 20:23:51 <Schultz> Ja, I guess Atelier is up :) 20:24:06 <Akien> ennael: yeah I meant last for the team reviews :) 20:24:52 <Schultz> We've got the contest up and running, got a few things coming in, although it will obviously need more time 20:25:00 <marja> Akien: packaging team? 20:25:10 <Akien> marja: ssshhh :p 20:25:17 <marja> Akien: :-) 20:25:31 <ennael> we should organize some dedicated talks about burning topics 20:25:41 <ennael> printing, desktops, ... 20:26:10 <Akien> Yes that's a good idea 20:26:12 <Schultz> I don't see there being any issue with the integration other than it being late. I doubt we are going update the logo, so that saves a lot of work. 20:27:08 <Schultz> As always, it comes down to how much we want to change the design, other than I few tweaks to plymouth I don't feel we need to do too much to it. 20:27:12 <Akien> ennael: We also need to finalize/restart the team leadership elections, we kind of forgot about it 20:28:11 <Schultz> And for once, the timing of the release puts it after exams or some other crazy bit of uni for me. They finished today so I can prioritise Mageia far higher now 20:28:26 <ennael> Schultz: nice :) 20:28:44 <marja> Schultz: good :-) 20:28:56 <Schultz> The big bit I'm unclear on is where we're at with Animtim's work, I haven't been able to follow what he's done, although I did note that mcc looked very nice 20:29:50 <Schultz> But iirc, most of what he was doing was icons and updating our software, rather than the os artwork and integration, so while they arent separate, the are different work flows 20:31:05 <ennael> Schultz: any precise information about offical design for mageia 6 ? 20:31:34 <Son_Goku> brb, bbs as Pharaoh_Atem 20:31:46 <Akien> Atelier just started a contest for the official background: http://blog.mageia.org/en/2016/05/07/mageia-6-artwork-contest/ 20:32:17 <Akien> After lots of discussions, it was finally decided to keep using Flicker like the previous years to collect the artwork submissions, as much as we hate it 20:32:42 <Akien> The contest will only run for ~2 weeks, so that we have time to pick the best proposal and integrate it before the RC 20:32:50 <Schultz> contest will close on the 23rd, I'm aiming to have all the artwork for backgrounds, screensavers, plymouth etc presented to council for approval by the 30th 20:33:44 <Akien> I see it mostly as a formality to give our community the chance to make their proposals (some users had started doing artwork for mga6 months ago already, expecting the contest to run). But we'll see, in 2 weeks we might get some cool new proposals 20:34:10 <Schultz> As I said, I don't see the need to do large changes to the themes we have, I might push out some trial rpms of a few ideas I have before then to get the process started 20:34:36 <Schultz> the big one being that we have 2 copies of the Mageia logo on ksplash which could look better 20:35:37 <Schultz> My main thought is that as we are switching to a flat design, which seems to favour just icons rather than text, that having the bubbling cauldron made larger without the text would fit well 20:36:12 <Schultz> Akien: if not from there, then where will we source the background for M6 from? 20:36:29 <Schultz> Or has Animtim done more that I have just missed? 20:37:27 <marja> Schultz: yeah, he had two, one for in a business-like environment, and one funny/nice one 20:37:50 <Akien> Schultz: We have a couple proposals from Animtim + some from MLO members which were not too bad already 20:37:51 <DavidWHodgins> I liked the funny/nice one better. :-) 20:38:02 <marja> DavidWHodgins: me too :-) 20:38:14 <Akien> And worst case scenario, we could ask Animtim to make a new one/rework an existing one to best match our taste 20:38:32 <Akien> But I'd prefer something coming from the contest of course, that's better community-wise :) 20:38:49 <ennael> the last proposals on flickr are a bit tricky... 20:38:57 <ennael> it looks like firefox logo... 20:39:55 <Schultz> ennael: I like them, but not for Mageia, I hadn't seen the ff logo, but now that you mention it.. 20:40:32 <Akien> ennael: True, though not all of them IMO; we could ask the artist to ensure it's not too similar to Firefox' logo if we like the overall feel 20:40:36 <Schultz> There is still this one, its basic but does service to mga1's http://www.lokra.fr/zfiles-echange-de-fichiers-pour-windows/mageia/fond-mageia01-v2.png 20:41:02 <ennael> a bit boring : 20:41:03 <ennael> :) 20:41:28 <Akien> Some nice photos already for the screensavers :) 20:41:35 <ennael> yep 20:41:45 * Akien needs to ping stormi's father to get some cool bird photos :p 20:42:28 <Schultz> its a bit to Scotland themed for my liking.... haven't made it to the alps this year which doesn't help much 20:42:29 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. I really don't like the fond one. The parellel lines are annoying to look at. 20:44:37 <marja> Akien: I thought he's your brother 20:44:44 <ennael> ok let see that in 2 weeks then :) 20:45:09 <Akien> marja: He is :p 20:45:11 <Schultz> did he do the amazing bird ones previously? The eagle was stunning 20:45:41 <Akien> Schultz: Nope I haven't managed to get him to make a selection of his photos the previous years :) 20:45:46 <Akien> But I'll try again 20:45:58 <Schultz> ok would be great, the more the merrier 20:47:39 <marja> #info please update https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Council#2016.27s_list when the elections for your team are done 20:48:53 <Schultz> oh, for once Atelier isn't lagging behind :) 20:49:26 <ennael> anything else from teams ? 20:50:00 <Schultz> nope, I think Atelier is done 20:51:01 <ennael> anybody else ? 20:52:06 <Akien> nope 20:52:15 <wilcal> not from qa 20:52:40 <marja> I think the meeting can be closed 20:52:46 <DavidWHodgins> Any idea how much money we've lost due to the bank problem? 20:52:54 <wilcal> lots covered 20:53:07 <Akien> ennael: Talking about money, did you finalize the payment of the second half to Animtim? 20:53:14 <ennael> yes 20:53:18 <Akien> Perfect, thanks 20:53:26 <ennael> about bank problem it's not that mush, 130€ 20:53:29 <ennael> always too much 20:53:48 <marja> ennael: is there a chance of getting it back? 20:53:50 <ennael> I have an appoitment on friday I will let you know what needs to be done 20:54:03 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks 20:54:03 <marja> ennael: thx 20:54:10 <Schultz> good luck, I hope it goes well 20:56:29 <ennael> anything else for tonight? 20:56:51 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. Just don't forget to end this one. :-) 20:57:26 <wilcal> i'm done 20:57:47 <ennael> :) 20:58:27 <Pharaoh_Atem> back 20:58:43 <ennael> ok closing the meeting then 20:58:47 <ennael> thanks for attending 20:58:58 <ennael> #endmeeting