19:08:26 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:08:26 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jun 15 19:08:26 2015 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:08:48 <ennael> MrsB: can you sum up the current tests?
19:08:56 <ennael> just saw your mail asking for more testers
19:09:14 <MrsB> yes, live isos are tested by approx 1 person each atm
19:09:28 <MrsB> classics relativel well tested
19:09:32 <MrsB> relatively
19:09:38 <DavidWHodgins> I think we are ready for release, but the vote should probably be held on the council-discuss mailing list.
19:10:00 <ennael> well before voting it would be great to get QA feedback
19:10:20 <DavidWHodgins> All of my limited testing has been fine.
19:10:29 <wilcal> I'm fine also
19:11:25 <Sebsebsebb> Hi from Sweden at a hotel using my e4.5 ubintu phone
19:12:51 <MrsB> Possible missing package on gnome live, LO theme is very blocky
19:13:18 <MrsB> classic gnome is ok with LO
19:13:53 <MrsB> One worth mentioning is the 10 minute os-prober issues Lewis has been having
19:14:30 <MrsB> and of course the ISO medias being left enabled so it asks for Core Release when installing stuff :P
19:14:49 <ennael> you mean your last mail ?
19:14:55 <MrsB> yes
19:14:57 <Sebsebsebb> voting for what releaseing? I just joined so missed beginning of meeting. Releaee whem ready at home I got.a nice new computer to put it on :)
19:14:59 <ennael> ok :)
19:15:29 <DavidWHodgins> I suspect the os-prober problem is a kernel module bug for the hard drive controller, as lewis seems to be the only one affected by it.
19:16:02 <ennael> tmb: any opinion on this ?
19:16:21 <MrsB> Plymouth only seems to run when using grub2 if resolution is manually selected in Advanced settings of grub2 config during install. Maybe just my monitor size, 16:10 but the only ones listed appear to be 4:3
19:17:07 <MrsB> Also network config is skipped with finish-install on lives with wired network so no opportunity to set the hostname
19:17:33 <MrsB> mentioning these but it's up to you which, if any we decide to fix
19:18:15 <MrsB> Ben had an odd one with kde livedvd, LO failed to start from DVD but was OK from USB
19:19:13 <DavidWHodgins> That sounds like a bad dvd, or bad burner.
19:19:50 <DavidWHodgins> Optical drives are not reliable.
19:19:58 <MrsB> Benmc(method=dvd) "LibreOffice 4.4 - Fatal error. The application cannot be started. User installation could not be completed."
19:20:32 <MrsB> A couple of gnome Oh No's still reported
19:21:09 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. I think that should be in the release notes, and/or errata, but not stop the release.
19:21:47 <wilcal> I've done an M5 CD drive write on one system and a DVD drive read on another
19:22:11 <MrsB> Cinnamon has black text on desktop icons against dark blue background - minor but annoying
19:22:12 <tmb> ennael, opinion on what?
19:23:15 <schultz> don't want to be the whining kde guy, but surely gnome going Oh No! is just saving the user from lots of pain in the first place....
19:23:36 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Whether the 10 minute os-prober problem might be caused by a  bad kernel module for the hard drive controller.
19:23:46 <MrsB> Ben also mentioned that swap is being presented as a system partition but IINM he has mixed dos/gpt partitions
19:24:14 <marja> schultz: lol
19:24:28 <ennael> that's a big list for a nearly released version...
19:24:40 <MrsB> that last is errata'd
19:24:55 <MrsB> oh or perhaps not
19:26:34 <tmb> ah, the os-prober crap... it's os-prober "probe everything under the sun approach" failing badly... looking at: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16010#c32 it also shows up in Manjaro and SuSe...
19:27:02 <MrsB> ok so that's maybe somethign we can patch in an update
19:27:10 <tmb> so not a release blocker at this point, and only one so far reproducing it
19:27:36 <tmb> yes, if someone can debug it and find the fix
19:27:37 <MrsB> marja is double checking a potential media issue on gnome live
19:27:55 <DavidWHodgins> We can't update the installers after release, but as it's very hardware specific, I don't think it should be a release blocker.
19:28:20 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, on live we can :)
19:28:40 <tmb> just update from online medias before starting the install :)
19:28:44 <DavidWHodgins> Only if the user installs updates, while in live mode.
19:29:30 <MrsB> LO theme is very bloacky on live gnome tmb, it's ok on classical gnome so maybe a missing package
19:29:34 <marja> MrsB: David says it is indeed missing, but that it isn't a problem, because MageiaWelcome explains how to configure media
19:29:34 <MrsB> blocky
19:29:50 <MrsB> ok
19:29:56 <tmb> another bug tv mailed about is that there is a typo in stage2 installer thet makes it fail to properly add the classic iso as media
19:30:18 <ennael> ?
19:30:30 <marja> MrsB: where does urpmi-editmedia get the Mageia version from?
19:30:50 <marja> MrsB: 2015:06:15:21:30 < jkerr82508> marja: /etc/product.id
19:31:01 <MrsB> yes /etc/product.id IINM
19:31:44 <tmb> ennael, this one: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5690#c27
19:31:45 <marja> that file is there and correct
19:32:27 <ennael> damned...
19:32:43 <tmb> yeah...
19:32:57 * ennael cries...
19:33:25 <tmb> MrsB, LO ?
19:33:31 <MrsB> libreoffice
19:34:40 <DavidWHodgins> So bug 5690 might warrant another set of iso images?
19:34:43 <tmb> ok, so a missing dep then...
19:35:31 <MrsB> appears to be, is ti gtk2?
19:35:34 <MrsB> it
19:36:41 <tmb> so one should compare rpm -qa on classic install vs live install
19:37:05 <MrsB> I compared gtk2 packages on a classic gnome install and the only extra gtk2 ones there were wxgtk2.8 or pygtk2.0-libglade
19:37:44 <MrsB> haven't been back to the live to try installing either of those though
19:39:08 <ennael> so at least I need to fix stage2 and rebuild new isos for new stage2
19:39:54 <tmb> yep, I have the patch from tv, sp I can commit and push it
19:41:21 <ennael> oh ok
19:41:32 <ennael> on live side
19:41:49 <ennael> we have LO ? another one that should be fixed ?
19:42:51 <MrsB> if so then maybe we oculd also force the network config in finish-install
19:42:58 <tmb> well, that would be only 2 gnome isos to rebuild then
19:44:14 <tmb> I already force it, but it's broken somewhere... :/
19:44:46 <MrsB> oh ok
19:45:32 <MrsB> Those are all the issues noted from the last isos anyway
19:45:58 <tmb> NETWORK=yes here: http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/build-system/draklive-config/tree/files/draklive-install.d/finish-install#n7 is suppoced to enforce configs
19:47:06 <MrsB> it's only with wired, so I suppose it ignores that setting as it already has one
19:47:37 <MrsB> if there is no network then it does do network config
19:48:07 <MrsB> ideally that setting could be separated from network config so could be something for mga6
19:48:19 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
19:48:21 <tmb> yeah, as stuff get auto-activated today it jumps past that...
19:49:06 <tmb> and yes, we will move hostname setting for mga6 (already planned) but we didn't want to break mga5 insaller / documentation / ...
19:49:10 <DavidWHodgins> Setting the hostname should be separate from network config, and in both installers.
19:49:29 <MrsB> yeah ok, let's do that then instead
19:49:33 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. The change should be in Mageia 6.
19:49:35 <MrsB> with networkmanager maybe ;)
19:49:36 <tmb> probably at the same page where we ask about admin and user names
19:49:45 <MrsB> yeah
19:49:52 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
19:50:07 <tmb> and yes, we will switch to nm for mga6
19:50:17 <ennael> *khof*
19:50:26 <marja> ennael: if I commit a new drakx-installer-help, could that be included in the new isos?
19:50:27 <MrsB> plenty of scope for mega breakage there
19:50:57 <ennael> marja: yes but we should have closed the commits much before...
19:51:17 <marja> ennael: I know, didn't commit yet
19:51:29 <ennael> I've seen plenty of commits
19:51:42 <marja> ennael: that was only to git, not to svn
19:52:05 <marja> ennael: so if you prefer not, it can wait till after release
19:52:30 <tmb> as we need to rebuild a fixed stage2, maybe we could allow it this time still ?
19:52:35 <DavidWHodgins> Have to go. Not feeling well, so bye for now.
19:52:45 <marja> DavidWHodgins: get better soon
19:52:56 <ennael> yep but my comment was about git commit more generally speaking
19:52:58 <DavidWHodgins> Not likely to happen
19:53:02 <DavidWHodgins> Bye
19:53:09 <ennael> but anyway go for it
19:53:10 <marja> ennael: shouldn't I have committed to git?
19:53:13 <marja> ennael: thx
19:56:05 <marja> ennael: committed, if it gets pushed before stage2, then stage2 won't need to get rebuilt again
19:56:17 <marja> ennael: do you mind pushing?
19:56:37 <ennael> yep
19:56:57 <ennael> done
19:57:04 <marja> ennael: great, thx :-)
19:57:20 <ennael> tmb: your turn now
19:57:50 <ennael> so one more roind for isos
19:57:54 <ennael> round
19:58:11 <tmb> ennael, yep, I'm waiting for the help to be rebuilt first
19:58:32 <ennael> ok
20:01:42 <marja> the mail for installer help landed on the changelog ml
20:01:44 <Sebsebsebb> .
20:03:28 <ennael> ok I will rebuild isos as soon as stage2 is available
20:03:55 * marja wonders why http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ often still shows partial, when changelog ml has already been mailed
20:04:05 <wilcal> last round for sure for sure?
20:04:24 <marja> wilcal: yes, else we'll go on strike :-)
20:04:46 <marja> wilcal: more serious: nothing is sure in life
20:06:45 <ennael> anything else about isos ?
20:07:03 <MrsB> yes, be glad to see the backof them :)
20:07:22 <marja> we should throw a big party when they're released :-)
20:07:53 * tmb thinks it will be a fosdem release ...
20:07:56 * tmb hides
20:07:57 <ennael> :)
20:08:00 <MrsB> lol
20:08:22 <marja> tmb: :-รพ
20:08:31 <ennael> we could call it the fosdem-hell-release
20:08:54 <MrsB> uefi-hell
20:08:59 <ennael> also yes
20:09:13 <ennael> anything else to add ? I propose to end meeting for now
20:09:18 <wilcal> not from me
20:09:28 <MrsB> ok for me. Do we need to say anything about the servers?
20:09:39 <marja> ouch, the servers
20:09:49 <marja> or on the ml?
20:10:02 <wilcal> Please hold up servers for the next few days
20:10:03 <ennael> as said on the ML a meeting is planned after release
20:10:09 <MrsB> ok
20:10:10 <ennael> to enforce some services
20:10:11 <marja> fine
20:10:15 <Sebsebsebb> Mage IA 5 release party Ubuntu styled, shame about the lack of people for such things
20:10:27 * MrsB looks to atelier
20:10:49 <ennael> still even if we had this breakage the general quality is rather good and it's free hosting
20:11:01 <ennael> the bad point is it happened on the bad moment
20:11:10 <MrsB> yes, we just need some backup systems for important stuff
20:11:15 <ennael> kind of release tradition
20:11:22 <MrsB> becoming so isn't it :\
20:11:58 <marja> we survived every time :-)
20:12:06 <MrsB> let's countdown then
20:12:11 <ennael> well in mdv old time we did have already such tradition
20:12:15 <tmb> yeah, the plan is to run atleast mirror api mirrored and maybe www
20:12:43 <MrsB> oh well it's definitely tradition then
20:12:44 <tmb> (mirrored between 2 DCs)
20:12:53 <marja> :-)
20:13:04 <MrsB> enough to know plans are in place tmb :)
20:13:19 <ennael> ok let's end meeting
20:13:27 <ennael> thanks for your patience and beeing there toniht
20:13:39 <ennael> #endmeeting