19:04:37 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:04:37 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jun 1 19:04:37 2015 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:37 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:04:38 <ennael> hi all 19:04:59 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I'm late. Wasn't watching the clock. 19:05:09 <tmb> hi all 19:05:33 <MrsB> morning 19:06:30 <ennael> ok so last meeting before mageia 5 :) 19:06:48 <MrsB> \o/ 19:06:53 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully. ☺ 19:06:58 <grenoya> :) 19:07:12 <Sebsebsebb> Hi 19:08:22 <Sebsebsebb> Hi wilcsl 19:08:28 <DavidWHodgins> Any eta on when iso images with a fix for bug 16055 will be ready? 19:08:52 <ennael> pterjan told me he will have a look on 16055 tonight 19:08:53 <Sebsebsebb> has the meeting started or not 19:09:06 <marja> Sebsebsebb: hi, yes it did 19:09:09 <ennael> he seems to have some solutions to implement 19:09:19 <ennael> so we should have it ready tomorrow 19:09:21 <Sebsebsebb> Ok @ marja 19:09:39 <MrsB> that will be the final-final? 19:09:53 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully! 19:10:07 <wilcal> final final final 19:10:12 <ennael> all final 19:10:22 <marja> could that mate fix break anything, if it got included? 19:10:34 <ennael> ? 19:10:48 <marja> ennael: mate won't install because of a conflict 19:10:49 <DavidWHodgins> That's bug 16066 19:11:02 <marja> ennael: tarakbumba has a fix, 19:11:10 <Latte> hi - sorry for beeing late 19:11:24 <MrsB> upgrade is ok with mate, running an install atm in vbox 19:11:26 <marja> ennael: but since it's deep-deep-freeze, didn't ask for a push (if he committed at all) 19:11:36 <DavidWHodgins> We should include that fix in the next iso images, if it's ready 19:11:51 <marja> he's never on IRC, is he? 19:12:07 <MrsB> it's only adding an obsoletes 19:12:31 <ennael> you should have ring the bell today :) 19:12:41 * marja hides 19:12:41 <ennael> is the package ready ? 19:12:50 <Stormi> does MATE fail to install from installer? 19:12:59 <MrsB> actually, never checked upgrade properly. I didn't check the version :\ 19:13:08 <Stormi> I thought it failed if you tried afterwards without adding online media 19:13:17 <ennael> marja: do you have the fix ? 19:14:16 <tmb> the fix sounds crap... mate-settings-daemon should have "Obsoletes: mate-settings-daemon < 1.7.0" 19:15:00 <tmb> or are we talking about another fix ? 19:15:37 <MrsB> i don't think he's looked beyond that as we're in lockdown 19:15:53 <MrsB> he's normally very good maintaining it though 19:16:32 <marja> MrsB: did anyone install it at all in pre-final? (this time, I didn't do an all desktops install) 19:17:01 <MrsB> install mate in beta/rc you mean? 19:17:26 <tmb> I mean a package shouldnr obsolete itself, that's the work for normal version upgrade... and packages obsoleting themselves gets nuked on upload 19:17:49 <tmb> (bug/feature of bs) 19:18:07 <marja> weird, the reporter doesn't hit the issue when installing Mate during Mga install, only afterwards 19:18:38 * marja no longer things any fix needs to be added for Mate 19:18:48 <marja> s/things/thinks/ 19:18:49 <DavidWHodgins> There is also a pcre library heap overflow being reported on open source security, that sounds like it might be serious. Don't know if a fix is ready for it yet. 19:20:08 <marja> MrsB: I meant QA final 19:20:47 <ennael> ok so we close that topic ? 19:20:49 <MrsB> earlier certainly yes. I've completed one in vbox just now too 19:20:58 <marja> yep 19:21:01 <marja> MrsB: thx 19:24:57 <MrsB> what's next? 19:25:51 <marja> falling asleep? 19:26:11 <ennael> :) 19:26:26 <DavidWHodgins> We should wait 3 days again, once the new iso images are available, then vote on the mailing list whether or not it's ready for release. 19:26:58 <ennael> well 19:27:08 <Sebsebsebbb> Aim for releasing next week would be good :) 19:27:08 <ennael> MrsB: do you think we are ready to release 19:27:14 <ennael> with last bug fixed of course 19:27:29 <MrsB> assuming last bug fix doesn't cause regression 19:27:37 <DavidWHodgins> The iso images have to be downloaded, and tested. That takes time. 19:27:44 <ennael> of course 19:27:54 <ennael> so we wait for fix, we rebuild isos 19:28:10 <MrsB> yeah, ask people involved in that bug to test 19:28:12 <DavidWHodgins> Then we download and test them. 19:28:15 <ennael> test and when tests are done on *all* isos we can release 19:28:23 <Akien> Well all this "aim for <date>" discussions on the mailing list do not really make sense. We test it, and when it's ready, we release it. 19:28:26 <marja> and do concentrate on testing the partioning step 19:29:00 <Akien> Testing and fixing bugs might take 3 days, as it might take 4 weeks if we find new blockers. 19:29:06 <wilcal> sounds like a plan 19:29:11 * ennael kills Akien 19:29:15 <Akien> But we can indeed try to get prepared for a release next week, at least as far as Atelier is concerned. 19:29:36 <ennael> so please MrsB ring the bell if needed 19:29:51 <marja> I assume there is no need to really test anything else, than the partitioning step for every iso? 19:29:59 <ennael> indeed 19:30:31 <ennael> just check there is no cauldron text 19:30:37 <marja> ah, yes 19:30:41 <DavidWHodgins> marja: We still have to check for regressions. Sometimes packages don't get included, that should be. 19:31:18 <MrsB> Installs have been tested quite alot, so it's installer issues now. Once this last one is fixed we can think of releasing imho. 19:31:32 <ennael> ok 19:31:37 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed 19:31:39 <ennael> then topic done :) 19:31:49 <ennael> next part is about atelier 19:31:50 <marja> :-) 19:31:53 * Akien hides. 19:31:59 <ennael> announcement, press release... 19:32:29 <ennael> atlier guys, your turn 19:32:51 <MrsB> who's here? 19:32:59 <Sebsebsebbb> me 19:33:23 <Akien> Well we just published a teaser blog post about UEFI support, so at least the blog shows some activity again 19:33:40 <Sebsebsebbb> Indeed 19:33:44 <Akien> It was very well relayed on social media too, so I guess people were craving for news :p 19:33:57 <Akien> The press release is ready, but what is not is the list of contacts to send it too 19:34:11 <Akien> Still on my todo list, but lately I've been busy proofreading the release notes and errata 19:34:24 <MrsB> there is one isn't there? 19:34:38 <Akien> There is an old list on the wiki yes, I'll start from there 19:35:04 <MrsB> pick up some of the recent press emails too 19:35:20 <Akien> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Press_release_contact_list 19:35:36 <Sebsebsebbb> yep use old list and maybe we should try contacting magazines such as Linux Voice directly this time 19:35:49 <MrsB> yes definitely 19:35:54 <Akien> Apart from that of course we need to write the release announcement for the blog 19:36:16 <MrsB> and popular linux/oss G+ communities etc 19:36:24 <Sebsebsebbb> yep 19:36:31 <ennael> would be great to prepare it now so that it can be tranlasted 19:36:35 <ennael> translated 19:36:42 <Akien> Indeed 19:36:54 <Akien> I'll ping about it again and try to get some brainSTORMIng done 19:37:20 <Akien> Not sure the ping would work... 19:37:34 <Akien> brain- STORMI -ng, I meant 19:37:40 <Latte> I can ask the translators if they know some local computer news for the press release 19:37:43 <MrsB> ahh i see what you did there 19:38:07 <MrsB> good idea Latte 19:39:19 <Sebsebsebbb> Are we going to bother with a Mandriva post or not? 19:40:01 <Latte> I think it's almost to late... 19:40:04 <MrsB> if we do, it should be tomorrow which is final day isn't it for mdv? 19:40:20 <Latte> MrsB: ah OK 19:40:29 <Latte> it's maybe not too late 19:40:34 <DavidWHodgins> We should do it asap 19:40:42 <wilcal> About how many people we're employed at mdv at the end? 19:41:06 <DavidWHodgins> I think the news article said 19. 19:41:12 <MrsB> only something short is needed, "as most, we're sad to hear, etc. Thoughts go to those who loast their jobs etc." 19:41:28 <ennael> please no need for details 19:41:31 <Akien> If we do say something, it should be made crystal clear that we have no ties to Mandriva anymore 19:41:38 <ennael> so many false things written 19:41:45 <DavidWHodgins> Akien: Agreed 19:42:09 <Akien> OpenMandriva went for a vibrant blog post about how the spirit of their beloved Mandriva still lived within their distro 19:42:30 <Akien> IMO we should not do the same thing. Mandriva is past history 19:42:37 <Akien> (5 years since the fork already!) 19:42:40 <Stormi> Akien: nasty ping there! :) 19:42:47 <MrsB> what did pclos do? 19:43:21 <Akien> MrsB: Nothing AFAICS, but they mostly blog about updated packages it seems 19:44:28 <Akien> So since we all seem to agree that it would be fine to post something, but that we should keep it pretty short and simple, I'll write a draft 19:45:30 <MrsB> nothing to mournful, just a polite nod 19:46:14 <wilcal> One paragraph, less then 100 words 19:46:29 <Sebsebsebbb> Not sure if this came through or not: Here's the best one I have read about it: http://ostatic.com/blog/after-17-years-mandriva-being-liquidated 19:46:30 <[mbot> [ After 17 Years Mandriva Being Liquidated ] 19:46:41 <Akien> MrsB, wilcal: Agreed 19:47:27 <Sebsebsebbb> we can do better than the Open Mandriva one, and haven't seen the PCLOS one yet 19:47:40 <wilcal> Ya know in 99 Mandrake had shrinkwrap boxes of the OS in all the major computer stores. Opportunity lost 19:47:53 <MrsB> so back to release.. 19:48:01 <Akien> MrsB: +1 19:48:23 <Sebsebsebbb> Next blog post should be the Mandriva one and ASAP yep 19:48:25 <ennael> Sebsebsebbb: pb is not to do better 19:48:31 <ennael> but do it properly for mageia 19:48:58 <Sebsebsebbb> yes that's what I meant really to do it properly for Mageia 19:49:15 <ennael> ok so anything else for atelier ? 19:49:24 <Akien> I agree, a big part of our community has no ties to Mandriva in any way, since we do a good job at spreading Mageia to new users :) 19:49:27 <MrsB> one victim :) morning Schultz 19:49:58 <Schultz> Morning all, sorry I'm late. What did I just walk into 19:50:57 <Sebsebsebbb> stuff I guess there will be a log this time, there didn't seem to be one last week 19:51:30 <DavidWHodgins> Schultz: There will be yet another set of iso images built to include a fix for bug 16055, that are expected to be ready for qa testing tomorrow. 19:52:06 <Akien> Schultz: Mostly the atelier todo list for the release, so building up the contact list for the press release (me + translators hopefully) and writing the release announcement 19:52:41 <Sebsebsebbb> and we got the Mandriva blog post to prepare as well as the usual things for a new Mageia relesse 19:53:22 <Schultz> OK, I can probably do the release announcement today 19:53:46 <marja> what about asking translators to translate Stormi's flyer.... it'll be a nice thing to have for local communities when there's more interest in Mga, because of the new release..... where can it be stored? Stormi suggested in the wiki, IIRC, but I think the flyer is an atelier thing, too, isn't it? 19:53:48 <Akien> Schultz: That would be awesome, then we could fine tune it in the coming days and send it to the translators 19:54:42 * MrsB getting quite proficient with scribus 19:54:44 <Schultz> Yeah, it doesn't need to be too big. We should get the release blog started too 19:55:55 <MrsB> release notes suitably positive now? 19:56:10 <MrsB> they should be longer than the errata ideally 19:56:19 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:56:39 <Akien> Schultz: By release announcement, we meant the blog post :) 19:56:58 <Akien> Or I did at least :-p 19:57:09 <Sebsebsebbb> No the errata should be much much much longer :d 19:57:31 <Schultz> OK, I'll try and do both, the blog and something to send to journalists etc 19:57:46 <leuhmanu> errata longer mean more bugs... 19:58:11 <Sebsebsebbb> yes that was a joke 19:58:27 <DavidWHodgins> It would be nice if we didn't need an errata, but that's not realistic. 19:58:47 <Sebsebsebbb> Indeed 19:59:06 <MrsB> and linux/foss G+ communities 19:59:07 <tmb> well, that's easy... do an m$ and call them features 19:59:14 <Schultz> Even if we cleared our bugs we can't fix all of upstresms 19:59:15 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:59:59 <ennael> okok anything else before pizza and coffee ? 20:00:01 <MrsB> we should discuss mga4 support, people will want to know 20:00:09 <wilcal> not from me 20:00:28 <Akien> I agree with MrsB, ideally we should announce something for Mageia 4 when we release Mageia 5 20:00:32 <Sebsebsebbb> yes Mageia 4 support we extend a bit or not 20:00:33 <DavidWHodgins> I think it should be a minimum of 3 months after the release of 5. 20:00:38 <Schultz> I'm good I think. Got pasta and tea waiting 20:00:54 <wilcal> Tacos in California 20:01:05 <DavidWHodgins> Beer here. :-) 20:01:38 <MrsB> 3 months is ok I think. It's getting old now and to be too generous would most likely make things difficult for updates 20:02:05 * marja agrees with 3 months 20:02:10 <Akien> Yes 3 months sounds good IMO. 20:02:34 <Sebsebsebbb> ok so eol probably in like September for Mageia 4? 20:02:46 <MrsB> yeah 20:02:57 <MrsB> My birthday is the 7th so it would be a nice present 20:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on when 5 is finally released 20:03:00 <Akien> That's enough time to get the upgrade done, even for bigger structures I guess. And at the same time, we send a message that we care about our user's comfort by giving them additional time (while clearly encouraging to upgrade asap) 20:03:26 <MrsB> yeah, exactly Akien 20:03:34 <Sebsebsebbb> Indeed at Akien 20:05:17 <Sebsebsebbb> 7th of Seoptember eol? Personally I was thinking end of Sep, but either should be ok enough. 20:05:46 <MrsB> that would be 4 months 20:06:16 <marja> MrsB: yeah, but time goes faster in Summer ;-) 20:06:19 <tmb> once again... lets see if we can get mga5 out first before promising anything else... 20:06:37 <Sebsebsebbb> well your QA so mostly your decision I guess and packagers 20:06:38 <marja> tmb: agreed 20:06:58 <MrsB> let's go with "3 months after release" 20:07:02 <Akien> Let's discuss further on the ML maybe, I think Luigi12_work is not around today and he'd probably like to comment for the security team 20:07:15 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Agreed 20:07:17 <marja> Akien: true 20:07:21 <Sebsebsebbb> 3 months after release yes fine 20:07:38 <Akien> But yeah I think we already have an informal agreement on 3 months 20:07:55 <Sebsebsebbb> yep 20:08:53 <MrsB> Once bug 16055 is fixed errata will need altering https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Errata#System_user_ID_boundary_change_affects_logging 20:09:36 <MrsB> or rather https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Errata#.22Use_Free_Space_on_a_Windows_Partition.22_issue 20:10:01 <MrsB> or next one.. if you see what i mean 20:10:21 * MrsB ready to lie down 20:11:12 <Akien> :-) 20:11:33 <Akien> I guess we are more or less done with all topics? 20:11:50 <Akien> Anything left that you want to discuss? Or did we manage to do a short meeting for once? :) 20:12:08 <DavidWHodgins> One other topic 20:12:14 <DavidWHodgins> Depression 20:13:41 <tmb> ... of not getting mga5 released... ? 20:13:42 <ennael> Akien: looks so :) 20:13:43 <DavidWHodgins> As I posted on the discuss mailing list, my nieces boyfriend committed suicide on Saturday. I've had severe depression in the past, so understand it. If you have it, don't hide it. Get help. 20:14:11 <MrsB> well said Dave 20:14:12 * ennael will have one if mga5 is not released soon :) 20:14:15 <DavidWHodgins> That's all I want to say about that. 20:14:29 <marja> DavidWHodgins: sorry to hear that happened, Dave 20:15:05 <MrsB> shall we close? 20:15:07 <ennael> can we close that meeting ? 20:15:13 <DavidWHodgins> Yep 20:15:19 <wilcal> yes 20:15:23 <marja> yep 20:15:50 <ennael> ok so keep fingers crossed now 20:16:21 <ennael> and see you in 1 week to celebrate new release :) 20:16:27 <ennael> have a nice week 20:16:28 <marja> \o/ 20:16:28 <MrsB> /o\ 20:16:34 <ennael> #endmeeting