19:04:37 <ennael> #startmeeting
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19:04:38 <ennael> hi all
19:04:59 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I'm late. Wasn't watching the clock.
19:05:09 <tmb> hi all
19:05:33 <MrsB> morning
19:06:30 <ennael> ok so last meeting before mageia 5 :)
19:06:48 <MrsB> \o/
19:06:53 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully. ☺
19:06:58 <grenoya> :)
19:07:12 <Sebsebsebb> Hi
19:08:22 <Sebsebsebb> Hi wilcsl
19:08:28 <DavidWHodgins> Any eta on when iso images with a fix for bug 16055 will be ready?
19:08:52 <ennael> pterjan told me he will have a look on 16055 tonight
19:08:53 <Sebsebsebb> has the meeting started or not
19:09:06 <marja> Sebsebsebb: hi, yes it did
19:09:09 <ennael> he seems to have some solutions to implement
19:09:19 <ennael> so we should have it ready tomorrow
19:09:21 <Sebsebsebb> Ok @ marja
19:09:39 <MrsB> that will be the final-final?
19:09:53 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully!
19:10:07 <wilcal> final final final
19:10:12 <ennael> all final
19:10:22 <marja> could that mate fix break anything, if it got included?
19:10:34 <ennael> ?
19:10:48 <marja> ennael: mate won't install because of a conflict
19:10:49 <DavidWHodgins> That's bug 16066
19:11:02 <marja> ennael: tarakbumba has a fix,
19:11:10 <Latte> hi - sorry for beeing late
19:11:24 <MrsB> upgrade is ok with mate, running an install atm in vbox
19:11:26 <marja> ennael: but since it's deep-deep-freeze, didn't ask for a push (if he committed at all)
19:11:36 <DavidWHodgins> We should include that fix in the next iso images, if it's ready
19:11:51 <marja> he's never on IRC, is he?
19:12:07 <MrsB> it's only adding an obsoletes
19:12:31 <ennael> you should have ring the bell today :)
19:12:41 * marja hides
19:12:41 <ennael> is the package ready ?
19:12:50 <Stormi> does MATE fail to install from installer?
19:12:59 <MrsB> actually, never checked upgrade properly. I didn't check the version :\
19:13:08 <Stormi> I thought it failed if you tried afterwards without adding online media
19:13:17 <ennael> marja: do you have the fix ?
19:14:16 <tmb> the fix sounds crap... mate-settings-daemon should have "Obsoletes: mate-settings-daemon < 1.7.0"
19:15:00 <tmb> or are we talking about another fix ?
19:15:37 <MrsB> i don't think he's looked beyond that as we're in lockdown
19:15:53 <MrsB> he's normally very good maintaining it though
19:16:32 <marja> MrsB: did anyone install it at all in pre-final? (this time, I didn't do an all desktops install)
19:17:01 <MrsB> install mate in beta/rc you mean?
19:17:26 <tmb> I mean a package shouldnr obsolete itself, that's the work for normal version upgrade... and packages obsoleting themselves gets nuked on upload
19:17:49 <tmb> (bug/feature of bs)
19:18:07 <marja> weird, the reporter doesn't hit the issue when installing Mate during Mga install, only afterwards
19:18:38 * marja no longer things any fix needs to be added for Mate
19:18:48 <marja> s/things/thinks/
19:18:49 <DavidWHodgins> There is also a pcre library heap overflow being reported on open source security, that sounds like it might be serious. Don't know if a fix is ready for it yet.
19:20:08 <marja> MrsB: I meant QA final
19:20:47 <ennael> ok so we close that topic ?
19:20:49 <MrsB> earlier certainly yes. I've completed one in vbox just now too
19:20:58 <marja> yep
19:21:01 <marja> MrsB: thx
19:24:57 <MrsB> what's next?
19:25:51 <marja> falling asleep?
19:26:11 <ennael> :)
19:26:26 <DavidWHodgins> We should wait 3 days again, once the new iso images are available, then vote on the mailing list whether or not it's ready for release.
19:26:58 <ennael> well
19:27:08 <Sebsebsebbb> Aim for releasing next week would be good :)
19:27:08 <ennael> MrsB: do you think we are ready to release
19:27:14 <ennael> with last bug fixed of course
19:27:29 <MrsB> assuming last bug fix doesn't cause regression
19:27:37 <DavidWHodgins> The iso images have to be downloaded, and tested. That takes time.
19:27:44 <ennael> of course
19:27:54 <ennael> so we wait for fix, we rebuild isos
19:28:10 <MrsB> yeah, ask people involved in that bug to test
19:28:12 <DavidWHodgins> Then we download and test them.
19:28:15 <ennael> test and when tests are done on *all* isos we can release
19:28:23 <Akien> Well all this "aim for <date>" discussions on the mailing list do not really make sense. We test it, and when it's ready, we release it.
19:28:26 <marja> and do concentrate on testing the partioning step
19:29:00 <Akien> Testing and fixing bugs might take 3 days, as it might take 4 weeks if we find new blockers.
19:29:06 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
19:29:11 * ennael kills Akien
19:29:15 <Akien> But we can indeed try to get prepared for a release next week, at least as far as Atelier is concerned.
19:29:36 <ennael> so please MrsB ring the bell if needed
19:29:51 <marja> I assume there is no need to really test anything else, than the partitioning step for every iso?
19:29:59 <ennael> indeed
19:30:31 <ennael> just check there is no cauldron text
19:30:37 <marja> ah, yes
19:30:41 <DavidWHodgins> marja: We still have to check for regressions. Sometimes packages don't get included, that should be.
19:31:18 <MrsB> Installs have been tested quite alot, so it's installer issues now. Once this last one is fixed we can think of releasing imho.
19:31:32 <ennael> ok
19:31:37 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
19:31:39 <ennael> then topic done :)
19:31:49 <ennael> next part is about atelier
19:31:50 <marja> :-)
19:31:53 * Akien hides.
19:31:59 <ennael> announcement, press release...
19:32:29 <ennael> atlier guys, your turn
19:32:51 <MrsB> who's here?
19:32:59 <Sebsebsebbb> me
19:33:23 <Akien> Well we just published a teaser blog post about UEFI support, so at least the blog shows some activity again
19:33:40 <Sebsebsebbb> Indeed
19:33:44 <Akien> It was very well relayed on social media too, so I guess people were craving for news :p
19:33:57 <Akien> The press release is ready, but what is not is the list of contacts to send it too
19:34:11 <Akien> Still on my todo list, but lately I've been busy proofreading the release notes and errata
19:34:24 <MrsB> there is one isn't there?
19:34:38 <Akien> There is an old list on the wiki yes, I'll start from there
19:35:04 <MrsB> pick up some of the recent press emails too
19:35:20 <Akien> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Press_release_contact_list
19:35:36 <Sebsebsebbb> yep use old list and maybe we should try contacting magazines such as Linux Voice directly this time
19:35:49 <MrsB> yes definitely
19:35:54 <Akien> Apart from that of course we need to write the release announcement for the blog
19:36:16 <MrsB> and popular linux/oss G+ communities etc
19:36:24 <Sebsebsebbb> yep
19:36:31 <ennael> would be great to prepare it now so that it can be tranlasted
19:36:35 <ennael> translated
19:36:42 <Akien> Indeed
19:36:54 <Akien> I'll ping about it again and try to get some brainSTORMIng done
19:37:20 <Akien> Not sure the ping would work...
19:37:34 <Akien> brain- STORMI -ng, I meant
19:37:40 <Latte> I can ask the translators if they know some local computer news for the press release
19:37:43 <MrsB> ahh i see what you did there
19:38:07 <MrsB> good idea Latte
19:39:19 <Sebsebsebbb> Are we going to bother with a Mandriva post or not?
19:40:01 <Latte> I think it's almost to late...
19:40:04 <MrsB> if we do, it should be tomorrow which is final day isn't it for mdv?
19:40:20 <Latte> MrsB: ah OK
19:40:29 <Latte> it's maybe not too late
19:40:34 <DavidWHodgins> We should do it asap
19:40:42 <wilcal> About how many people we're employed at mdv at the end?
19:41:06 <DavidWHodgins> I think the news article said 19.
19:41:12 <MrsB> only something short is needed, "as most, we're sad to hear, etc. Thoughts go to those who loast their jobs etc."
19:41:28 <ennael> please no need for details
19:41:31 <Akien> If we do say something, it should be made crystal clear that we have no ties to Mandriva anymore
19:41:38 <ennael> so many false things written
19:41:45 <DavidWHodgins> Akien: Agreed
19:42:09 <Akien> OpenMandriva went for a vibrant blog post about how the spirit of their beloved Mandriva still lived within their distro
19:42:30 <Akien> IMO we should not do the same thing. Mandriva is past history
19:42:37 <Akien> (5 years since the fork already!)
19:42:40 <Stormi> Akien: nasty ping there! :)
19:42:47 <MrsB> what did pclos do?
19:43:21 <Akien> MrsB: Nothing AFAICS, but they mostly blog about updated packages it seems
19:44:28 <Akien> So since we all seem to agree that it would be fine to post something, but that we should keep it pretty short and simple, I'll write a draft
19:45:30 <MrsB> nothing to mournful, just a polite nod
19:46:14 <wilcal> One paragraph, less then 100 words
19:46:29 <Sebsebsebbb> Not sure if this came through or not: Here's the best one I have read about it: http://ostatic.com/blog/after-17-years-mandriva-being-liquidated
19:46:30 <[mbot> [ After 17 Years Mandriva Being Liquidated ]
19:46:41 <Akien> MrsB, wilcal: Agreed
19:47:27 <Sebsebsebbb> we can do better than the Open Mandriva one, and haven't seen the PCLOS one yet
19:47:40 <wilcal> Ya know in 99 Mandrake had shrinkwrap boxes of the OS in all the major computer stores. Opportunity lost
19:47:53 <MrsB> so back to release..
19:48:01 <Akien> MrsB: +1
19:48:23 <Sebsebsebbb> Next blog post should be the Mandriva one and ASAP yep
19:48:25 <ennael> Sebsebsebbb: pb is not to do better
19:48:31 <ennael> but do it properly for mageia
19:48:58 <Sebsebsebbb> yes that's what I meant really to do it properly for Mageia
19:49:15 <ennael> ok so anything else for atelier ?
19:49:24 <Akien> I agree, a big part of our community has no ties to Mandriva in any way, since we do a good job at spreading Mageia to new users :)
19:49:27 <MrsB> one victim :) morning Schultz
19:49:58 <Schultz> Morning all,  sorry I'm late. What did I just walk into
19:50:57 <Sebsebsebbb> stuff I guess there will be a log this time, there didn't seem to be one last week
19:51:30 <DavidWHodgins> Schultz: There will be yet another set of iso images built to include a fix for bug 16055, that are expected to be ready for qa testing tomorrow.
19:52:06 <Akien> Schultz: Mostly the atelier todo list for the release, so building up the contact list for the press release (me + translators hopefully) and writing the release announcement
19:52:41 <Sebsebsebbb> and we got the Mandriva blog post to prepare as well as the usual things for a new Mageia relesse
19:53:22 <Schultz> OK,  I can probably do the release announcement today
19:53:46 <marja> what about asking translators to translate Stormi's flyer.... it'll be a nice thing to have for local communities when there's more interest in Mga, because of the new release..... where can it be stored? Stormi suggested in the wiki, IIRC, but I think the flyer is an atelier thing, too, isn't it?
19:53:48 <Akien> Schultz: That would be awesome, then we could fine tune it in the coming days and send it to the translators
19:54:42 * MrsB getting quite proficient with scribus
19:54:44 <Schultz> Yeah,  it doesn't need to be too big. We should get the release blog started too
19:55:55 <MrsB> release notes suitably positive now?
19:56:10 <MrsB> they should be longer than the errata ideally
19:56:19 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:56:39 <Akien> Schultz: By release announcement, we meant the blog post :)
19:56:58 <Akien> Or I did at least :-p
19:57:09 <Sebsebsebbb> No the errata should be much much much longer :d
19:57:31 <Schultz> OK,  I'll try and do both,  the blog and something to send to journalists etc
19:57:46 <leuhmanu> errata longer mean more bugs...
19:58:11 <Sebsebsebbb> yes that was a joke
19:58:27 <DavidWHodgins> It would be nice if we didn't need an errata, but that's not realistic.
19:58:47 <Sebsebsebbb> Indeed
19:59:06 <MrsB> and linux/foss G+ communities
19:59:07 <tmb> well, that's easy... do an m$ and call them features
19:59:14 <Schultz> Even if we cleared our bugs we can't fix all of upstresms
19:59:15 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:59:59 <ennael> okok anything else before pizza and coffee ?
20:00:01 <MrsB> we should discuss mga4 support, people will want to know
20:00:09 <wilcal> not from me
20:00:28 <Akien> I agree with MrsB, ideally we should announce something for Mageia 4 when we release Mageia 5
20:00:32 <Sebsebsebbb> yes Mageia 4 support we extend a bit or not
20:00:33 <DavidWHodgins> I think it should be a minimum of 3 months after the release of 5.
20:00:38 <Schultz> I'm good I think. Got pasta and tea waiting
20:00:54 <wilcal> Tacos in California
20:01:05 <DavidWHodgins> Beer here. :-)
20:01:38 <MrsB> 3 months is ok I think. It's getting old now and to be too generous would most likely make things difficult for updates
20:02:05 * marja agrees with 3 months
20:02:10 <Akien> Yes 3 months sounds good IMO.
20:02:34 <Sebsebsebbb> ok so eol probably in like September for Mageia 4?
20:02:46 <MrsB> yeah
20:02:57 <MrsB> My birthday is the 7th so it would be a nice present
20:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on when 5 is finally released
20:03:00 <Akien> That's enough time to get the upgrade done, even for bigger structures I guess. And at the same time, we send a message that we care about our user's comfort by giving them additional time (while clearly encouraging to upgrade asap)
20:03:26 <MrsB> yeah, exactly Akien
20:03:34 <Sebsebsebbb> Indeed at Akien
20:05:17 <Sebsebsebbb> 7th of Seoptember eol? Personally I was thinking end of Sep, but either should be ok enough.
20:05:46 <MrsB> that would be 4 months
20:06:16 <marja> MrsB: yeah, but time goes faster in Summer ;-)
20:06:19 <tmb> once again... lets see if we can get mga5 out first before promising anything else...
20:06:37 <Sebsebsebbb> well your QA so mostly your decision I guess and packagers
20:06:38 <marja> tmb: agreed
20:06:58 <MrsB> let's go with "3 months after release"
20:07:02 <Akien> Let's discuss further on the ML maybe, I think Luigi12_work is not around today and he'd probably like to comment for the security team
20:07:15 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Agreed
20:07:17 <marja> Akien: true
20:07:21 <Sebsebsebbb> 3 months after release yes fine
20:07:38 <Akien> But yeah I think we already have an informal agreement on 3 months
20:07:55 <Sebsebsebbb> yep
20:08:53 <MrsB> Once bug 16055 is fixed errata will need altering https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Errata#System_user_ID_boundary_change_affects_logging
20:09:36 <MrsB> or rather https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Errata#.22Use_Free_Space_on_a_Windows_Partition.22_issue
20:10:01 <MrsB> or next one.. if you see what i mean
20:10:21 * MrsB ready to lie down
20:11:12 <Akien> :-)
20:11:33 <Akien> I guess we are more or less done with all topics?
20:11:50 <Akien> Anything left that you want to discuss? Or did we manage to do a short meeting for once? :)
20:12:08 <DavidWHodgins> One other topic
20:12:14 <DavidWHodgins> Depression
20:13:41 <tmb> ... of not getting mga5 released... ?
20:13:42 <ennael> Akien: looks so :)
20:13:43 <DavidWHodgins> As I posted on the discuss mailing list, my nieces boyfriend committed suicide on Saturday. I've had severe depression in the past, so understand it. If you have it, don't hide it. Get help.
20:14:11 <MrsB> well said Dave
20:14:12 * ennael will have one if mga5 is not released soon :)
20:14:15 <DavidWHodgins> That's all I want to say about that.
20:14:29 <marja> DavidWHodgins: sorry to hear that happened, Dave
20:15:05 <MrsB> shall we close?
20:15:07 <ennael> can we close that meeting ?
20:15:13 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
20:15:19 <wilcal> yes
20:15:23 <marja> yep
20:15:50 <ennael> ok so keep  fingers crossed now
20:16:21 <ennael> and see you in 1 week to celebrate new release :)
20:16:27 <ennael> have a nice week
20:16:28 <marja> \o/
20:16:28 <MrsB> /o\
20:16:34 <ennael> #endmeeting