19:16:59 <Akien> #startmeeting 19:16:59 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon May 11 19:16:59 2015 UTC. The chair is Akien. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:16:59 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:17:03 <Akien> #chair Stormi 19:17:03 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Akien Stormi 19:17:11 <Akien> Verscheldes rule the world! 19:17:11 <Stormi> I'd prefer a bench 19:17:19 <Akien> #chair MrsB 19:17:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Akien MrsB Stormi 19:17:27 <Akien> #chair ennael 19:17:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Akien MrsB Stormi ennael 19:17:33 <Akien> Ok, I'll let you all grab a chair :) 19:17:54 <Akien> Let's start with the biggest chunk 19:17:59 <Akien> #topic Review of remaining bugs and general status 19:18:16 <Akien> As always, you'll find the release blockers here: 19:18:18 <Akien> #link https://lstu.fr/Mga5ReleaseBlockers 19:18:20 <[mbot> [ Log in to Mageia Bugzilla ] 19:18:25 <Sebsebsebb> Hi nearly completely forgot about this since I just found out about something intersting 19:19:12 <Akien> The list of release blockers is getting small each day, so that's a good point 19:19:23 <MrsB> Morning 19:19:29 <MrsB> sorry to be late 19:19:37 <Akien> We are still not 100% release ready though since there are still 13 blockers 19:19:38 <Akien> Hi MrsB :) 19:19:41 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Claire. Meeting just started. 19:19:46 <Akien> We reserved you a chair 19:20:03 <Stormi> or a spot on my bench 19:20:15 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:20:19 <Akien> Should we do a one-by-one bug review? 19:20:36 <MrsB> Up to you Akien 19:20:39 <Stormi> I think so 19:20:44 <DavidWHodgins> Not much point, as the developers are mostly not here. 19:20:49 <Stormi> tmb is 19:21:01 <Stormi> well, joined, at least 19:21:03 <Akien> ennael should arrive soon too 19:21:23 <MrsB> let's wait a few then 19:21:26 <DavidWHodgins> Maybe we should wait a few more minutes for them. 19:21:52 <MrsB> konversation is playing up, brb 19:21:55 <Akien> Ok let's do the 2nd topic while we wait then 19:22:03 <Akien> #topic todo list for communication 19:23:10 <Akien> So Trish put up something for the press release: https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5_pressrelease 19:23:12 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 19:23:38 <MrsB> Any atelier here? 19:23:43 <schultzandroid> I guess thats my queue, we can use the blog and announcements for rc for final as well as what trish has dobe above. 19:23:48 <MrsB> ahaa :) 19:24:07 <schultzandroid> I am, not sure if my connection is stable though 19:24:22 <Akien> schultzandroid: We read you at least :) 19:24:45 <Akien> So yeah the next big task for Atelier will be to write this blog announcement for the final 19:24:50 <schultzandroid> The press release is done afaik, will reread to be sure though 19:25:03 <Akien> And hopefully do that soon enough to get some translations done 19:25:41 <schultzandroid> I will do or start it tomorrow. Only working 8 hours so will have time in the evening 19:25:45 <Akien> Once the press release is validated, we should probably get it translated for localised linux press 19:26:11 <MrsB> Ideally we need to be contacting members of the press pro-actively 19:26:27 <Akien> Yeah, the more we contact, the more we show that we mean business 19:26:36 <schultzandroid> Thats true, I'll forward to council tonight to get the validation 19:26:40 <DavidWHodgins> Maybe send a "Mageia is coming soon" article? 19:27:18 <DavidWHodgins> Or rather, Mageia 5. 19:27:33 <schultzandroid> Would be good, although getting Trish's input would be good on this 19:27:43 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: That's a good point. We could send a first email as soon as the final ISOs are ready, and a second email when we do the official release 19:27:56 <Akien> (IIRC, we want to do an internal release before the official) 19:27:56 <Luigi12_work> yeah we need to make clear that we're a strong independent project 19:28:14 <Luigi12_work> some journalists still mistakenly think we are associated with the sinking ship omdv project 19:28:26 <Akien> #info We should contact as many press members as possible, pro-actively 19:28:33 <Luigi12_work> like Swapnil Bhartiya, and he's a generally good writer otherwise too 19:28:41 <DavidWHodgins> What's the omdv project? Never heard of that before. 19:28:49 <MrsB> worth maintaining a contact list somewhere, probably not the wiki though 19:28:49 <Luigi12_work> OpenMandriva 19:28:54 <Luigi12_work> just an abbreviation, sorry 19:28:59 <DavidWHodgins> Oh, ok. 19:29:15 <schultzandroid> We have a list of contacts, maybe atelier can review and edit or add to this in the next few days 19:29:21 <Luigi12_work> too bad we haven't kept a list of journalists who've contacted us in the past 19:29:36 <Luigi12_work> I know Katherine Noyes did about one of the security issues that got some press 19:29:45 <Luigi12_work> Susan Linton posts Mageia-friendly stuff 19:30:06 <Akien> MrsB: Yeah I'll try to shape up an initial list, and ask on i18n-discuss that translators try to find contacts in their country 19:30:38 <schultzandroid> I dont know linux press that well, but i have a full archive or the press and contact addresses so can do a rough search 19:30:52 <Akien> #link https://pad.riseup.net/p/mga5_press_contacts 19:30:53 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 19:31:07 <Akien> Let's used the above pad to list all press contacts that you know 19:31:13 <MrsB> probably not a good idea to publicise their possibly private contact details though 19:31:39 <Akien> Maybe just list names and journals/websites then 19:31:48 <schultzandroid> Akien, we have an initial list of release contacts, but they are not to individuals iirc 19:32:06 <schultzandroid> Mainly websites and such 19:32:26 <Akien> Yeah general press contacts will be good to spam too IMO :) 19:32:41 <MrsB> It might be a good idea to check they are still current schultzandroid 19:33:13 <MrsB> if you hand a writer somethign to write about they're far more likely to do so :) 19:33:22 <Stormi> indeed 19:33:28 <Akien> #action Akien will put up an initial press contacts list and post instructions to atelier@, council@ an maybe some other channels 19:34:00 <ennael> hi there 19:34:01 <ennael> sorry 19:34:03 <Stormi> hi ennael 19:34:04 * ennael is very late 19:34:07 <DavidWHodgins> Hi Anne 19:34:24 <schultzandroid> I did say they needed a review and will ask for atelier to do it, not sure if it made it through or not 19:34:32 <Akien> #info Press release should get translated, see with i18n-discuss who could handle contacting the press in their own language 19:34:32 <schultzandroid> Hey Anne 19:34:32 <Stormi> you back backlog and tell us if you want to add on the communication side 19:34:34 <MrsB> I just had email from wilcal he's having trouble connecting, but is trying to be here 19:35:00 <MrsB> morning Anne 19:35:02 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: We're going over the topic of communication stuff first. 19:35:21 <MrsB> picking on Donald at the moment ;) 19:35:31 <ennael> :) 19:35:48 <Akien> #idea Do a pre-release PR text to hand-in ~1 week before the official release 19:36:07 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Not surprised. Major thunderstorms on the way here in the next hour or so. Tornado watch in effect. 19:36:22 <MrsB> yikes 19:36:22 <Akien> #action Atelier, write that blog annoucement... :) 19:36:40 <Akien> Ok, what's left on the communication side? 19:37:09 <MrsB> maybe website stuff 19:37:36 <Akien> ping leuhmanu, grenoya 19:37:39 <DavidWHodgins> And, there has to be time given for translations. 19:38:10 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: Indeed. We're lucky to have lightning fast translators though :) 19:38:22 <schultzandroid> Anyone else here that knows whats going on with the website? I see people discussing updating it, but im useless with htnl so just keep quiet 19:38:46 <Latte> I can send a mail to i18n-discuss to make them aware that somethin is coming soon 19:38:48 <Stormi> well discussion about that happens on atelier ML, or should 19:38:49 <Akien> AFAIK the web subteam mainly lacks fresh content to put in the website 19:38:57 <Latte> and need to be translated quite fast 19:39:19 <MrsB> you just have to keep things moving schultzandroid and set the deadlines 19:39:57 <MrsB> filip is involved with that too but he's not online either atm 19:40:20 <Akien> So unless someone steps up with awesome ideas, the mga5 pages will probably be quite similar to the mga4 pages apart from the theme change 19:40:20 <schultzandroid> i try, sadly release time seems to always line up with me needing 80 hour weeks.... 19:40:47 <Stormi> Akien: the mga5 pages are very different, I mean, now we have 3 big buttons 19:40:51 <Akien> schultzandroid: Well you get 168 in a week, that's plenty :-p 19:41:09 <Stormi> that would need proofreading and text improvements though 19:41:14 <Akien> Stormi: Yes, for the download page there has been work 19:41:16 <Stormi> and that's what webteam wants 19:42:00 <Akien> There's probably this page too that will require a mga5-ification: www.mageia.org/en/4/ 19:42:07 <Stormi> it looks like the part of atelier who needs to produce contents is hardly heard on the mailing list 19:42:08 <MrsB> could you poke the webteam schultzandroid please and find out what they need, what the plans are etc, so we can be ready 19:42:31 <Stormi> atelier does not work better now than before the merge of the marcom and web teams 19:42:39 <Akien> Actually the website did change since the mga4 release already, I don't think mga4 was released with this page :) 19:42:45 <Stormi> due to lack of contributors mainly I guess 19:42:59 <Akien> It's not worse either, though 19:43:01 <schultzandroid> Thats not a bad thing, website looks good atm and consistency can be a good thing 19:43:26 <schultzandroid> Ill get my stick out and give it a prod and see what happens 19:43:28 <Stormi> yeah we just need writers and coders to meet and do the job together 19:43:31 <MrsB> \o/ 19:43:49 <Akien> But yeah half the contributors in Atelier have very little spare time, and the other half are active contributors of other teams, so... it's hard to get things moving 19:43:51 <Stormi> that also partly overlaps with docteam, maybe 19:43:53 <MrsB> if you need backup we're right behind you ;) 19:43:55 <DavidWHodgins> I definitely prefer a consistent look. 19:44:33 <Akien> schultzandroid: But yeah as MrsB said, the most pressing need for Atelier here is to get directions and deadlines 19:44:50 <Akien> It worked fine for the press release when ennael contacted trish directly and told her it was urgent 19:44:55 <Akien> The PR was done in one night :) 19:45:10 <schultzandroid> Yep, very true. Just need to sit down and work them out 19:45:12 <DavidWHodgins> Translations too? 19:45:17 <Akien> But currently Atelier lacks directions, so people work on other stuff that is also pressing :) 19:45:59 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: Yep, Latte and I will try to make sure Atelier hands in the needed content early enough for the l10n team :) 19:46:04 <schultzandroid> Yeah and thats on me, ill get some organisation going tomorrow, shouldnt be too hard to get the bits in place that need to be 19:46:16 <Akien> schultzandroid: Great, thanks :) 19:46:19 <Latte> Akien: yes ;) 19:46:28 <Akien> Anything else on communication? 19:46:38 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 19:47:09 <schultzandroid> Nothing from me. 19:47:10 <Stormi> are all the wiki pages the website points at ready? 19:47:11 <Akien> doktor5000 brought up that some changes at openSUSE might induce a massive new user arrival for us... I'm not too sure about this, but anyway, I don't think we need to do something specific about it 19:47:26 <Stormi> UEFI, installation guides, "start here" page, etc. 19:47:38 <Stormi> (this is a question for docteam I suppose) 19:47:39 <schultzandroid> No, badmouthing wont get us anywhere 19:47:41 <Akien> We *should* better communicate about Mageia and make sure that people distro-hopping consider Mageia, but I don't see anything specific to make for openSUSE 19:47:56 <Stormi> agreed 19:48:15 <Akien> Let's just continue making the best product out there, they'll notice us :) 19:48:16 <schultzandroid> Can a chair action all the deadline stuff as i will do this from my phone and looking at full logs is a pain 19:48:46 <schultzandroid> Yep, although we need to better tell people its the best product... 19:49:19 <MrsB> we need a constant trickle of stuff to read really, magazine style 19:49:23 <DavidWHodgins> For the opensuse users, I don't think we should do anything. If they find Mageia, great. 19:49:43 <Akien> #action Schultz should give directions and deadlines for Atelier stuff: blog announcement, website, press contacts, (optionally) pre-release PR, get translations done for the PR, website blog announcement in time 19:50:08 <Stormi> I had thought of a series of blog posts "what's new in Mageia 5" with focus on various aspects 19:50:10 <MrsB> Also any new goodies we need to get 19:50:11 <Stormi> Games 19:50:13 <Stormi> UEFI 19:50:27 <Stormi> drakxtools (if that evolved) 19:50:31 <schultzandroid> Thanks 19:50:55 <DavidWHodgins> uefi is one of the big ones. I just did an install on a uefi laptop, with no problems noticed. 19:50:56 <Stormi> processes (if that evolved) 19:50:59 <schultzandroid> We should get they make mageia going again, but those other ideas look great 19:51:10 <Stormi> and also a blog post about the team elections 19:51:20 <Stormi> with results for each team 19:51:35 <Stormi> and use that to invite people to join 19:51:35 <Akien> It's true that we'd need at least one blog post ~now, between the RC and final announcements 19:51:42 <Sebsebsebb> Which laptop @ davidwhodgins 19:51:46 <DavidWHodgins> Election time again already? 19:51:51 <Akien> Our blog currently is too "release-focused" :) 19:51:52 <Stormi> I mean the past elections 19:52:02 <Stormi> we didn't communicate 19:52:06 <Stormi> even among teams 19:52:08 <MrsB> #info blog ideas: magazine style, series of posts "what's new in mga5" - games, uefi, etc 19:52:16 <Stormi> no team knows who's the leader in other teams 19:52:21 <DavidWHodgins> Sebsebsebb: An msi. Just gave it back to my nephew, and don't remember the model number. 19:52:30 <Sebsebsebb> oh 19:53:05 <Akien> Ok, next topic 19:53:09 <Stormi> let's choose the subject of a blog post published 19:53:11 <Stormi> before 19:53:25 <MrsB> thatnks schultzandroid, sorry tif that was quite brutal on you 19:53:28 <MrsB> -t 19:53:33 <Stormi> not just "we need a blog post", let's choose a subject and a writer know, if you're ok with that 19:53:51 <Akien> Sounds legit :) 19:53:53 <schultzandroid> Can someone who knows uefi write the detsils for that please 19:54:18 <Stormi> can be written collectively as long as there's someone responsible for the result 19:54:21 <DavidWHodgins> It's a royal pain, as it varies from one manufacturer to another. 19:54:21 <Akien> I guess I could write a "What's new in Mageia 5" about games, as I still have to write the release notes section about Games ;) 19:54:26 <schultzandroid> Either i can finish it or just write something else 19:54:28 <Sebsebsebb> yes would be good 19:54:31 <Stormi> Akien: yes games are sexy 19:54:36 <Sebsebsebb> uefi details 19:54:37 <Stormi> with screenshots 19:54:47 <Stormi> so that makes 2 blog posts 19:54:48 <Stormi> akien for games 19:54:50 <Akien> A what's new about UEFI would be really nice too, especially since it's now mature in the RC 19:54:51 <MrsB> doc team have some details to work from schultzandroid 19:54:51 <Stormi> who for UEFI ? 19:54:53 <schultzandroid> Maybe we can release 5 posts, 5 reasons for mga 5 19:55:11 <Stormi> well it's a bit late for 5 posts, unless we find writers :) 19:55:20 <Stormi> but I totally agree 19:55:22 <Stormi> let's make noise! 19:55:29 <DavidWHodgins> Each uefi firmware I've looked at uses different layouts, with different names for the options. 19:55:31 <Stormi> some can ben released 19:55:37 <Stormi> after mga5 is out too 19:55:40 <ennael> well it can be 5 posts in 5 weeks 19:55:45 <Stormi> yes 19:55:46 <ennael> following release 19:55:58 <ennael> so it gives some time to write it 19:56:02 <MrsB> i think team cohesion benefits from having things to keep them busy anyway, 19:56:21 <DavidWHodgins> That's true, at least to a point. 19:56:26 <Stormi> so, games this week, final next week, UEFI the week after, etc. ? 19:56:26 <Akien> ennael: Good idea, though we do need to post something asap IMO 19:56:41 <Stormi> (or end of week, depending on the release date) 19:57:05 <MrsB> I'm sure if you contribute the posts schultzandroid can work out the timeframe Stormi 19:57:11 <schultzandroid> Uefi over games if you ask me 19:57:15 <Akien> So yeah maybe start before the release, then continue after the release. We should just make sure that we leave enough days before the last post and the release announcements so that it's not missed 19:57:25 <Akien> schultzandroid: +1 19:57:35 <ennael> all these posts can be started now 19:57:37 <schultzandroid> I can also proof rwad and publish stuff so just mail it on my direction 19:57:37 <DavidWHodgins> I'm inclined to say go ahead and release the final. The remaining bugs can be fixed with updates, or in Mageia 6. 19:57:41 <ennael> and work apart 19:58:02 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: Well final was broken two days ago ;) 19:58:07 <MrsB> lives don't install currently Dave 19:58:09 <Stormi> and publish whatever is ready first? 19:58:22 <ennael> there is no order really 19:58:23 <Stormi> or do we forget about publishing anything before final 19:58:30 <ennael> except the release one 19:58:35 <Akien> Stormi, I think you're in for being the UEFI post writer :p 19:58:47 <Stormi> I might, but not before thursday 19:58:49 <Akien> Maybe with valuable technical input from tmb :) 19:59:08 <Stormi> and that's really not the subject I followed the more closely 19:59:10 <Sebsebsebb> So a Mageia 5 final in about a week? :d 19:59:13 <DavidWHodgins> I used a live from a few days ago, and it installed ok 19:59:54 <Akien> To make it clearer for everyone: ennael, you confirm that we'll have an internal release ~1 week before the official release? 20:00:08 <Stormi> Ok, there's a point I haven't understood: are we going to publish a blog post quickly *before* final is released, about games/UEFI/whatever, or will we stay quiet until final is out? 20:00:24 <Akien> Stormi: I'd say one before the release would be nice 20:00:35 <Akien> The release will be at the earliest in 10 days IMO 20:00:44 <Akien> Taking into account the internal release time 20:00:54 <DavidWHodgins> I think post now about what is coming. 20:01:28 <MrsB> I'd like to see us posting at least once a week, make it less formal, more magazine 20:01:32 <DavidWHodgins> Just don't give a specific release date. 20:01:47 <DavidWHodgins> Just in case 20:02:18 <Akien> MrsB: +1 20:02:38 <Stormi> #action Atelier prepare blog posts about games, UEFI, and other mga5-related subjects (to be chosen) and publish at least one this very week 20:03:06 <Stormi> (those can be then linked from the final release blog post) 20:03:15 <MrsB> could maybe change the blog layout to make it that kind of thing work better 20:03:34 <MrsB> morning wilcal 20:03:37 <wilcal> better late then never I guess 20:03:38 <Stormi> MrsB: something like that? http://www.koztoujours.fr/ 20:03:40 <[mbot> [ Koztoujours ] 20:03:52 <wilcal> something wrong with the other computer 20:04:34 <wilcal> so the only thing I'm interested in is when is M5 gonna get turned loose? 20:04:41 <Akien> Should we move on? I propose to discuss the board topic quickly, and then discuss mga5 bugs again 20:04:45 <Stormi> ok 20:04:55 <Akien> #topic Expand our association before board elections 20:05:02 <Akien> ping marja, marja9 :) 20:05:38 <Akien> Marja has sent two email to council@ last week 20:06:07 <Akien> One about the previous council members that should be made Mageia.org association members 20:06:09 <Stormi> (just a note about blog posts: one about the different WM we have in Mageia 5, end of parenthesis) 20:07:06 <MrsB> This is about the mageia association. It previously consisted of ex-council members who had served one year and founders etc. The association members have voting rights in board elections IIRC 20:07:21 <Akien> Indeed 20:07:40 <MrsB> Also at the general meeting during fosdem 20:08:32 <Stormi> I'm fine with current way: former council members become association members (if they accept) 20:08:41 <marja> Akien: sorry, I'm here, but too tired 20:08:57 <Stormi> about other contributors, I'd say we should study case by case when they ask for it 20:09:14 <Sebsebsebb> Akien stormi and MrsB all at FOSDEM 2016 nice :d 20:09:14 <Stormi> but not add them all automatically 20:09:51 <MrsB> It hasn't been updated lately so needs ex-council members adding but also we can choose to select respected contributors, say from forums, ML's etc 20:09:56 <Stormi> marja: let's pospone to next meeting then? 20:10:16 <marja> Stormi: no, I'll try 20:10:39 <ennael> the list sent by mail looks ok for me 20:11:04 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org 20:11:09 <DavidWHodgins> I think automatic adding, unless objected to, would be ok. 20:12:17 <marja> is it useful to add others, or wouldn't that help (because if they don't volunteer to be team leaders, they'll never volunteer to be on the board)? 20:12:40 <Stormi> I think it's useful only if they volunteer 20:12:57 <marja> Stormi: volunteer for what? 20:13:06 <Stormi> for joining the association 20:13:11 <schultzandroid> Yeah we should have at least one post before release post 20:13:26 <Akien> The issue with selecting contributors based on X or Y critieria, is that we might miss some active contributors that would have like to be proposed to join the association 20:14:00 <marja> Akien: but without criteria, those we forget will feel more hurt 20:14:02 <Akien> The "ex-council members rule" makes it easier since it's well defined. 20:14:03 <DavidWHodgins> We could select, and ask for any volunteers. 20:14:22 <marja> not any 20:14:57 <Stormi> according to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org#Mageia_association_active_members this is not our problem : council doesn't elect new members 20:15:06 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. For people who think they deserve it. 20:15:08 <Stormi> board can if it needs to 20:15:45 <marja> Stormi: yeah, the board should decide whom to invite 20:16:20 <Stormi> so council is not involved 20:16:26 <marja> but since council meets more often than board, it isn't bad to discuss here how it should be done 20:16:38 <Stormi> yes, we can discuss, but not decide 20:16:43 <marja> and then they can decide how to continue 20:16:50 <MrsB> board can seek the opinion of the council 20:17:00 <DavidWHodgins> And most (if not all) board members are council members too. 20:17:01 <Stormi> it hasn't afaict :) 20:17:33 <Akien> Well to be honest the board doesn't act much currently :) But we don't really need it doing much either 20:17:36 <marja> DavidWHodgins: most council members aren't on the board ;-) 20:18:11 <Stormi> so, we need the board to add former council members to the association 20:18:20 <DavidWHodgins> But most board members are on the council. It's a smaller team. 20:18:36 <MrsB> well, we need sysadmins to do so in truth 20:18:44 <Akien> IMO we should keep to the rule of adding ex-council members for now, then elect the new board, and then the board should think about inviting some new associations members 20:18:55 <schultzandroid> Sorry to jump off half way through, connection is playing up so action me on anything that seems fitting, let me know of anything big by email though 20:19:03 <MrsB> #info Please would sysadmins add ex-council member to the board, see email on council ML for list 20:19:06 <Akien> s/think/decide/ since most of the thinking has been done already :) 20:19:07 <Stormi> +1 to Akien 20:19:17 <MrsB> nite schultzandroid 20:19:23 <marja> schultzandroid: nite :) 20:19:42 <Akien> Currently the board is 4 active members and 3 MIA, so... 20:19:52 <MrsB> #undo 20:19:52 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0xb6970b4c> 20:20:01 <MrsB> #info Please would sysadmins add ex-council member to the association, see email on council ML for list 20:20:29 <Stormi> it's in board-public IINM 20:20:38 <Stormi> but maybe council too 20:20:48 <MrsB> http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-association-members.html 20:20:49 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-association-members ] 20:21:26 <Akien> bbiab 20:21:28 <marja> Akien: fine, if there are enough volunteers to join the board (else we might need to have a larger association, since board is elected "from and by the Mageia association active members" 20:21:38 <Akien> (we should probably move to the next topic, time flies!) 20:22:12 <marja> yep 20:22:36 <Stormi> marja: indeed. Next :) 20:23:23 <Stormi> would be nice to have tv when reviewing blockers 20:23:29 <Stormi> (not TV, tv) 20:23:33 <marja> lol 20:23:34 <ennael> #topic reviewing pending release blocker bugs 20:24:42 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15898 20:24:44 <[mbot> [ Bug 15898 umount /usr failed, because /usr is busy on boot time ] 20:25:15 <ennael> so we have now more information from reporter 20:26:10 <Stormi> looks related to btrfs 20:26:35 <Stormi> no dev has commented on it yet 20:26:55 <MrsB> i tried btrfs with separate /var today but not separate /usr, will try it tomorrow 20:27:13 <MrsB> seems like all the info is there though 20:27:32 <DavidWHodgins> I have to go lay down. Bye for now. 20:27:40 <wilcal> Later David 20:27:42 <MrsB> nite Dave 20:27:47 <marja> DavidWHodgins: nite 20:28:05 <ennael> ok so more tests on that one 20:28:49 <MrsB> well it looks to have all relavant info ennael 20:29:03 <MrsB> needs fixes now 20:29:05 <Stormi> tmb is alive on #mageia-dev :) 20:29:23 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15805 20:29:25 <[mbot> [ Bug 15805 I cannot read the partition table of device sdX, it's too corrupted for me (DrakX v16.86) ] 20:30:35 <ennael> I will ping tv on that one 20:30:46 <ennael> as he asked sooner for details we have now 20:31:10 <MrsB> look similar to the errors we had with raid previously 20:31:10 <Stormi> I think that there were more people who got that than mentioned in the bug 20:31:26 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15734 20:31:28 <[mbot> [ Bug 15734 Booting laptop+nVIDIA Optimus from Live DVD (KDE or GNOME) ends with blank screen (X server fails to start) ] 20:31:29 <Stormi> I remember this messages mentioned in other bugs or e-mails 20:31:57 <Stormi> Hmm, this one is bad and puts us behind other distributions, where it doesn't happen 20:32:17 <Stormi> although there's a way to workaround 20:33:20 <Stormi> We need tmb for this one I think 20:33:35 <ennael> tmb: around ? 20:33:51 <MrsB> possible fix reported there too 20:35:02 <Akien> I tried the workaround, it works, but the live desktop does some funny things 20:35:19 <Akien> As in https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15734#c12 20:35:21 <[mbot> [ Bug 15734 Booting laptop+nVIDIA Optimus from Live DVD (KDE or GNOME) ends with blank screen (X server fails to start) ] 20:37:18 <Akien> Even forcing xdriver=vesa would be a better solution than a non-booting ISO IMO 20:37:40 <Stormi> doesn't work in UEFI mode 20:37:50 <Akien> Hm :-/ 20:37:50 <Stormi> you have to blacklist nouveau and nvidia and force intel 20:38:32 <Stormi> we could boot an doubuntu or opensuse or other and see what they 20:38:40 <Stormi> do 20:39:38 <tmb> sorry, I havent had time to look at that one :/ 20:39:40 <Akien> Well I guess they have proper support for hardware with two graphic cards; our DrakX tries to force nvidia it seems even though the nvidia card is not linked to the monitor 20:40:43 <Stormi> tmb: do you think you will? 20:41:23 <MrsB> I'm not sure we can accomplish much doing this bug by bug in council meeting at this stage. We're down to a fairly final list of release blockers 20:41:55 <wilcal> Rethink how many are really really release blocker 20:42:20 <marja> Can't https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15493 be closed? 20:42:22 <[mbot> [ Bug 15493 Graphics goes crazy when changing color depth on Broadwell-U ] 20:42:54 <ennael> it will tell much more time if everyone speak about a bug on his side 20:43:13 <ennael> the point here is to list them, keep it blocker or not and decide what to do 20:43:22 <ennael> test, need info, ping dev 20:43:56 <tmb> I think 15493 is fixed, yes 20:43:59 <ennael> we could take council meeting to solve them but I guess we should forget about next 4 or 5 nights to sleep :) 20:44:21 <MrsB> yeah, let's just identify where we can make progress 20:44:41 <ennael> so as you were speaking about it let's do that one 20:44:47 <ennael> 15493 20:45:02 <marja> tmb: thx, closed 20:45:23 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15710 20:45:26 <[mbot> [ Bug 15710 Kernel updates do not update initrd.img and vmlinuz ] 20:45:31 <ennael> looks like that one needs to ping coling 20:46:32 <MrsB> just asked barry to join 20:46:34 <ennael> just let a message to coling 20:46:35 <tmb> nah, I'd say close as fixed. I havent seen it reported since I added the linking logic to kernel %post 20:46:46 <ennael> really ? 20:47:04 <MrsB> barjac: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15710 20:47:04 <ennael> did we have some more tests after your fix? 20:47:07 <[mbot> [ Bug 15710 Kernel updates do not update initrd.img and vmlinuz ] 20:47:45 <tmb> well, considering the bug is "Kernel updates do not update initrd.img symlink", and they do now... 20:47:50 <ennael> "One way to fix this is if we cant figure it out in drakx is to move the symlink change to kernel %post" 20:47:56 <ennael> that was done? 20:48:07 <ennael> just to add information here 20:49:02 <MrsB> is this one fixed now barjac? 20:49:09 <barjac> Ah yes - I have no idea, I assumed that tmb would follow up on that. 20:49:23 <ennael> ok let say fixed now and reopen if not 20:49:38 <tmb> yep, it's done since 3.19.4-2 20:50:00 <MrsB> another one bites the dust 20:50:00 <ennael> thanks tmb 20:50:01 <tmb> (I just forgot to update bug :/ 20:50:27 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15689 20:50:28 <Akien> MrsB: \o/ 20:50:29 <[mbot> [ Bug 15689 M5RC, life installer does not always present /boot/EFI as an option in UEFI mode when using "custom disk partitioning" ] 20:51:30 <MrsB> it has the requested info now 20:52:25 <MrsB> we're not able to confirm it atm due to live installer breakage 20:52:58 <tmb> so that is a missing line from drop-down list, but can be entered manually... so worst case an errata thing... If I have time I'll poke the drakx code 20:54:01 <tmb> the fun part it's on the preferred list, but does not get shown... 20:54:20 <Stormi> maybe it thinks it's already used elsewhere 20:54:27 <Stormi> because we have booted the live 20:54:38 <ennael> tmb: can tv give a hand on that one ? 20:54:59 <MrsB> martin too :) 20:55:35 <tmb> ennael, well he's cc'd on the bug and have commented on it... but yes he could probably do... 20:55:46 <ennael> ok will ping him and martin why not 20:56:39 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15684 20:56:41 <[mbot> [ Bug 15684 M4.1 -> M5 ( x86_64 ) upgrade fails to start x after upgrade ] 20:57:15 <wilcal> Ya that's mine :-0 20:57:41 <ennael> looks like all information are there 20:57:48 <ennael> need to ping dev 20:58:55 <ennael> our favorite one 20:58:57 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15653 20:58:58 <tmb> and also reproduced to rule out onetime bug... 20:58:59 <[mbot> [ Bug 15653 Gnome LiveDVD 64 fails in live mode "Oh No. Something has gone wrong" ] 20:59:26 <MrsB> wilcal could you have another go at the upgrade then please, see if it's still the case 20:59:34 <wilcal> will do 20:59:37 <MrsB> thanks 21:00:08 <tmb> 15653 is easy to fix, just drop Gnome support :) 21:00:15 <Luigi12_work> +1 21:00:20 <Akien> lol 21:00:29 <schultzandroid> Massive plus one on that tmb 21:00:48 * tmb tries to hide he's a gnome user.... 21:00:54 <tmb> :) 21:01:11 <MrsB> gnome is not at all bad, when it works 21:01:14 <ennael> :) 21:01:20 <schultzandroid> Well come to the good side then then you wont need to hide :) 21:01:43 <schultzandroid> MrsB thats a big when.. 21:02:08 <MrsB> i'll boot from an actual dvd tomorrow, see if is get the same as lewis. He's efi though 21:02:12 <tmb> so I have an idea to test, and that is forcing mesa to be primary GL, 21:02:59 <MrsB> what are the ramifications of doing that? 21:03:05 <tmb> so that display_driver_helper does not need to switch graphics for any but nVidia cards, and those seem to be more stable 21:04:21 <tmb> MrsB, well, technically the ddh does the switch on early boot if it detects mesa is needed, so we just move the change earlier in the process... 21:05:15 <tmb> that's the downside of nonfree gpu drivers on live medias... more stuff to cope with... 21:05:51 <MrsB> would that reduce supported hardware? no more than not booting at all of course 21:06:05 <tmb> but I'll add the testfix on next iso build so we can see how it works out 21:07:00 <tmb> as for hw support, it will then fall back to free hw drivers, or generic vesa/fbdev... 21:07:44 <Luigi12_work> sounds sensible 21:07:46 <tmb> downside it's slower on new hw... (but people dont seem to care about that on fedora isos) 21:07:53 <MrsB> if we're currently failing then it can't cause regression i guess 21:08:26 <MrsB> would nonfree driver then be removed? 21:09:02 <tmb> I would keep them in "Live Nonfree" media so they can be activated after install if wanted like fglrx is now 21:09:54 <MrsB> we can restrict this to gnome isos then hopefully 21:10:21 <tmb> that's btw one thing I want tested on Optimus hw too... how does a "free-only" iso boot on that... 21:10:40 <MrsB> Stormi: Akien :) 21:11:04 <Akien> I can test that 21:11:21 <tmb> I'll do one special livecd with only free drivers so we can see if it makes any difference... 21:11:57 <ennael> ok so more tests on that one 21:12:16 <Stormi> tmb: ok 21:12:20 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15583 21:12:22 <[mbot> [ Bug 15583 Installing to '/' in UEFI writes into ESP and changes default bootloader ] 21:12:34 <Stormi> tmb: although I remember trying to blacklist nvidia module and with nouveau it would still fail 21:12:44 <Stormi> but that was in mga4 so things may have changed 21:14:07 <MrsB> barjac: another of yours 21:14:12 <wilcal> sorry folks I must go. see you all soon 21:15:02 <schultzandroid> I have optimus, but i think its slightly broken on the hw level 21:15:06 <barjac> MrsB: Yes I tested the workaround and it worked for me... 21:15:17 <barjac> but apparently not for thomas 21:15:34 <barjac> upstream have not added to the thread 21:16:22 <barjac> I'm out of ideas ;\ 21:17:19 <Stormi> any idea who could help? 21:17:34 <MrsB> This could maybe be pushed back to mga6 if necessary 21:17:58 <tmb> for 15583 I havent done any re-testing yet either :/, but worst case I'd say it's an errata issue... the efi system can handle several bootloaders on esp / nvram, so even if we dont properly support installing to "/" we can live with it and try to fix it for mga6 21:18:15 <Stormi> ok 21:19:29 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15257 21:19:31 <[mbot> [ Bug 15257 Live installer (not live mode) partitioner: Available disk space is not computed correctly (at least in small VM disks) ] 21:19:35 <MrsB> next one then 21:20:45 <Stormi> basically this bug is about the installer removing space from available space, instead of adding that to computation of what is required 21:21:29 <MrsB> maybe one martin can help with too 21:21:29 <Stormi> say you have 10 Gb free, 5 Gb needed + 1 Gb extra needed, it will say you have 9 Gb free and need 5 Gb when it should say you have 10 Gb and it needs 6 Gb 21:21:43 <Akien> Yep, pterjan did some good debugging and could probably implement a fix, but he's on holidays 21:23:37 <MrsB> All info is there then, just needs implementing 21:24:08 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15253 21:24:08 <ennael> humpf... 21:24:10 <[mbot> [ Bug 15253 5b3: Display corruption once the cursor moves (64bit is KO, 32bit is OK) with 16bpp & 24bpp (OK with 15bpp) ] 21:24:33 <MrsB> This one is waiting to go into errata 21:24:57 <MrsB> marja volunteered me for that 21:25:33 <Stormi> next one then :) 21:25:34 <MrsB> Stormi: is there a keyword to use for that? 21:25:51 <MrsB> oh it has ERRATA 21:25:57 <Stormi> MrsB: no keyword for now, and I don't know for whiteboard. I'd use ERRATA simply. 21:26:16 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15168 21:26:18 <[mbot> [ Bug 15168 LXDE & MATE can take several minutes to shutdown/reboot or hang completely (ordering cycle on display-manager-failure.service/start) ] 21:27:28 <MrsB> possibly to do with preload.service. isn't this being phased out? 21:28:54 <MrsB> maybe one for coling 21:29:40 <tmb> can be fixed post-release if needed 21:29:47 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12305 21:29:49 <[mbot> [ Bug 12305 dracut fails the boot process when swap (resume) partition UUID not found; installer doesn't help prevent this ] 21:30:20 <MrsB> this one has a patch which is waiting for upstream, but could potentially be applied by us while we wait 21:30:36 <Luigi12_work> for dracut I'm guessing you mean 21:30:54 <Luigi12_work> also needs a look on the DrakX side to make sure it's setting correct UUIDs in fstab and bootloader configs 21:33:03 <MrsB> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.initramfs/4111 21:33:04 <[mbot> [ Linux Cross-distro initramfs discussions and support () ] 21:33:08 <MrsB> upstream report 21:35:03 <MrsB> so anyway, that's the last on the list 21:35:10 <Akien> Phew :) 21:35:30 <Luigi12_work> also 14674 21:35:39 <Stormi> /o\ 21:35:49 <Luigi12_work> neoclust says he'll do plasma and virtuoso after the release 21:35:55 <Luigi12_work> waiting for AL13N to commit the mariadb update 21:36:06 <Luigi12_work> I also have freeze pushes pending for moodle and libraw 21:36:31 <ennael> just done 21:36:48 <MrsB> mariadb will affect isos so sooner the better really 21:36:49 <Luigi12_work> there's a bug for stunnel but I don't expect that to be done until after the release unless someone takes an interest in it quickly or guillomovitch wakes up 21:36:51 <Luigi12_work> ennael: thanks 21:36:55 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yes, exactly 21:37:05 <Luigi12_work> oh, also Mozilla updates are supposed to be tomorrow, that'll affect ISOs 21:37:09 <ennael> Luigi12_work: have you already pinged alien? 21:37:16 <Luigi12_work> ennael: neoclust pinged him this morning 21:37:17 <ennael> (strange sentence...) 21:37:48 <MrsB> imagine rayguns are involved in pinging aliens 21:37:56 <Luigi12_work> just pinged him again 21:38:07 <ennael> :) 21:38:12 <ennael> ok so list is done now 21:38:17 <Luigi12_work> ennael: thanks 21:38:30 <Luigi12_work> so it sounds like we're close indeed 21:38:32 <ennael> anything else to add? 21:38:36 <Luigi12_work> when's pterjan coming back 21:38:50 <Luigi12_work> he was going to fix or drop ipv6calc 21:38:54 <Stormi> well doktor5000 wanted to address LTS but I think the meeting was long enough and there's no hurry 21:39:02 <ennael> yep 21:39:02 <Luigi12_work> yeah we can address the LTS thing later 21:39:30 <ennael> any other comment, question? 21:39:33 <Luigi12_work> we'll need to drop firefox-beta before branching too, so we can address ipv6calc at that time if we haven't yet 21:39:44 <Luigi12_work> otherwise, guess we're good for now 21:39:52 <MrsB> #topic Anything else? 21:40:02 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 21:40:15 <tmb> not for me 21:40:21 <Stormi> #info I'm feeling sleepy 21:40:37 <Stormi> #unchair Stormi 21:40:37 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Akien MrsB ennael 21:40:41 <MrsB> T - 5 then 21:40:47 <MrsB> 4 21:40:49 <Luigi12_work> Stormi has abdicated the bench 21:40:51 <MrsB> 3 21:40:53 <MrsB> 2 21:40:55 <Stormi> :) 21:40:55 <MrsB> 1 21:40:59 <MrsB> last chance.. 21:41:05 <Stormi> wait ! 21:41:08 <Stormi> I want to say it 21:41:10 <Luigi12_work> LOL 21:41:10 <Stormi> 0 21:41:11 * ennael kills Stormi 21:41:16 <Luigi12_work> -1 21:41:23 <MrsB> #chair stormi 21:41:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Akien MrsB ennael stormi 21:41:35 <Stormi> #unchair MrsB 21:41:39 <Luigi12_work> :O 21:41:41 <Stormi> #unchar stormi 21:41:42 <ennael> Stormi: end meeting or it will be your last day on this earth :) 21:41:44 <Stormi> oops :) 21:41:46 <Stormi> #endmeeting 21:41:56 <ennael> ah ah 21:41:59 <Luigi12_work> ok Inigo_Montoya, you can go now... 21:41:59 <ennael> #endmeeting