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19:07:44 <ennael> #chair MrsB marja
19:07:44 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB ennael marja
19:07:49 <ennael> girls !
19:07:51 <MrsB> uhohh
19:08:27 <ennael> ok so again ameeting dedicated to Mageia 5 approaching
19:08:38 <ennael> first many thanks to everybody for the huge work on RC
19:08:53 <MrsB> ready for a rest
19:08:57 <ennael> :)
19:09:02 <ennael> well after 5 is out :p
19:09:04 <wilcal> It's been a challange
19:09:10 <ennael> indeed
19:09:20 <ennael> so now this is the last run before final release
19:09:36 <MrsB> hurrah
19:09:40 <ennael> :)
19:09:41 <wilcal> one more set of ISO's right?
19:09:45 <ennael> yep
19:10:03 <ennael> so just mailed today tmb  about this and we are starting new set of isos
19:10:09 <ennael> including all last changes
19:10:21 <Schultz> Morning all
19:10:22 <MrsB> these will be the ISOs which are released as Mageia 5 when ready
19:10:29 <ennael> indeed
19:10:29 <MrsB> morning Schultz
19:10:46 <Akien> night Schultz :)
19:10:56 <ennael> we have many fixes in progress
19:10:56 <wilcal> renamed without RC in the name
19:11:08 <MrsB> yes, did you see the email on qa-d?
19:11:18 <ennael> so the right thing may be to organize a bug review after first tests of isos
19:11:41 <MrsB> I have a new password to send out. I'll do that after the meeting.
19:11:49 <Sebsebsebb> Hi
19:11:53 <Akien> The good thing is that now we seem to have more packaging bugs than installer issues :)
19:11:55 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
19:11:58 <MrsB> morning Sebsebsebb
19:12:00 <ennael> indeed
19:12:08 <Akien> Conflicts between DEs, stuff like that.
19:12:13 <Sebsebsebb> Evening MrsB
19:12:20 <ennael> it will save time if we review after first tests
19:12:27 <marja> yes
19:12:27 <Akien> Agreed
19:12:35 <ennael> can we organize this during next QA meeting?
19:12:59 <Akien> Sounds good to me if we can have the ISOs tomorrow.
19:13:11 <ennael> I will do it tonight as I cannot tomorrow
19:13:17 <Akien> Even better :)
19:13:25 <MrsB> Yeah that's probably a good time. Some may be missing though due to time differences. We have a number from AU/NZ now
19:13:48 <ennael> and one priority is to update pending release critical bugs
19:13:58 <wilcal> I have an open day tomorrow ( california time )
19:13:59 <ennael> so that we have last results in hand when reviewing
19:14:35 <marja> and it'll be docteam meeting then
19:14:52 <marja> Thursday, I mean
19:15:28 <MrsB> we'll have to work around everything
19:16:45 <ennael> indeed that's the beauty of releasing :p
19:16:54 <marja> :-)
19:17:11 <MrsB> has anything big broken yet?
19:17:12 <ennael> marja: you will have tonight the iso also to be used for docteam
19:17:36 <wilcal> I'm pretty comfortable with M5 as it is today
19:17:42 <marja> ennael: yes, thanks :-)
19:17:55 <wilcal> sure wrinkles but for me nothing that can't be fixed after release
19:18:21 <Sebsebsebb> I missed something since wasn't here yet what's thus about ISO
19:18:37 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14069 tracker bug
19:18:39 <[mbot> [ Bug 14069 [Tracker] Mageia 5 release critical ]
19:18:57 <ennael> MrsB: anything special you would like to mention about coming isos?
19:19:04 <marja> Sebsebsebb: hi seb, new isos will be built for QA tonight, we'll discuss release blockers in QA meeting Thursday
19:19:09 <MrsB> http://lstu.fr/MgaSecurityBugs all release blockers, sometimes they don't get added to the tracker
19:19:11 <[mbot> [ Log in to Mageia Bugzilla ]
19:19:58 <MrsB> I need to send out the password for everybody that tmb sent today so it's a bit early really
19:20:06 <MrsB> I'll do that after the meeting
19:20:12 <ennael> we should at least work on oldest sec bugs
19:20:19 <Sebsebsebb> Marja right ok :) and yes maybe Mageia 5 final next week :d
19:20:22 <ennael> then we will have to stop at one point to release
19:20:29 <ennael> others will come through updates
19:20:29 <leuhmanu> (this link goes to sec bugs)
19:20:40 <MrsB> which sec bugs?
19:20:49 <MrsB> ohhh sorry, wrong link
19:20:57 <leuhmanu> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=P1
19:21:00 <MrsB> http://lstu.fr/Mga5ReleaseBlockers
19:21:03 <[mbot> [ Log in to Mageia Bugzilla ]
19:21:05 <ennael> sec nugs are also important :)
19:22:48 <MrsB> Could you please announce any bugs which have been fixed, that you can remember, when announcing the ISOs
19:23:34 <ennael> yep ok
19:23:41 <ennael> at least what should be fixed :)
19:23:50 <MrsB> yeah
19:24:18 <MrsB> it gives people an idea what to check
19:25:06 <ennael> yep ok
19:26:25 <ennael> any question about isos, bugs?
19:26:27 <MrsB> Does anything need to be done with the API or mirrorlist for testing final?
19:27:20 <marja> ah, we should indeed be adding using 5 instead of cauldron now
19:27:27 <tmb> mirrorlist is updated to point at /5/
19:27:39 <marja> nice
19:27:39 <leuhmanu> and product .id ?
19:27:51 <tmb> (even if it's a symlink to caulron)
19:28:29 <Akien> Silly question, but do we stick to our "thornicroft" codename for yet another release? :)
19:28:37 <ennael> :)
19:28:38 <Akien> (cf. /etc/lsb-release)
19:28:42 <marja> why not :-)
19:28:44 <ennael> make some proposal
19:28:46 <MrsB> as 5 is on the mirrors this time we could switch the product.id early i suppose
19:29:13 <ennael> as a side note here is the todo list for release
19:29:14 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Release_Countdown
19:29:24 <tmb> the installer / product id will change to stable tree as soon as we switch mageia-release to stable mode
19:30:08 <MrsB> in theory
19:30:43 <marja> Akien: what about "five" for a code name .. or "highfive" :-)
19:31:10 <MrsB> "nightmare"
19:31:13 <marja> lol
19:31:35 <Akien> "tardy"
19:31:49 <tmb> unicorn ?
19:31:56 <MrsB> :D
19:32:03 <ennael> :)
19:32:07 <ennael> popcorn
19:32:12 <ennael> better
19:32:15 <marja> :-)
19:32:43 <ennael> so basically this todo list is not yet to be executed
19:32:57 <ennael> we will see after coming bug review when to plan this
19:33:05 <marja> ok
19:33:24 <marja> (pasting the link for papoteur) https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Release_Countdown
19:33:42 <papoteur> thanks marja
19:34:16 <marja> papoteur: next QA meeting will be about release blockers (same time as docteam meeting)
19:34:34 <marja> papoteur: and new QA isos will be built tonight
19:34:43 <tmb> ennael, yeah, only mirrorlist api has been changed
19:35:31 <papoteur> marja: we should postpone our docteam metting, I'm not at home thursday :/
19:35:32 <MrsB> need to update the artwork before building too
19:35:40 <marja> papoteur: ok
19:35:50 <Akien> MrsB: True, I'll do that in git
19:36:21 <Akien> We should also review the Release notes and Errata
19:36:25 <ennael> indeed
19:36:52 <Akien> Especially the release notes since they have to be included in the ISOs, so they should be finished asap
19:36:52 <Sebsebsebb> Back lost connection to wireless for a bit
19:38:01 <MrsB> there's likely to be several builds again, but let's aim for fewer than 9
19:38:35 <Sebsebsebb> Yeah fewer than 9 sounds good
19:38:45 <marja> 1 :-)
19:39:02 <MrsB> the extra time spent workign on the RC was time well spent though
19:39:40 <wilcal> M5's pretty polished right now
19:39:42 <Sebsebsebb> Fewer than 1 is unrealistic heh heh  @ marjaunia
19:40:02 <Sebsebsebb> Hmm interesting auto correct
19:40:43 <ennael> new addiction? :)
19:41:02 <papoteur> :)
19:41:08 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Release_Notes
19:41:27 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Errata
19:41:31 <ennael> for the links
19:41:49 <wilcal> M5 + Flightgear = Massive addiction
19:42:04 <Akien> wilcal: :-P
19:42:59 <Akien> I'll post about it on dev@ and qa-discuss@ to get people active on those two pages
19:43:19 <Akien> And I'll do my part and write the Games section... /me hides
19:43:34 <marja> :-)
19:43:43 <MrsB> you've alot to write then
19:43:54 <Schultz> Ill look over them tomorrow night hopefully. If not wednesday
19:43:59 <ennael> ok anything else on that point ?
19:44:44 <Akien> Stormi and I have started "asking" the documentation team for help on bugs that require stuff to be put in errata
19:45:15 <marja> and I asked MrsB to do one of them
19:45:25 <Akien> Is it alright? Ideally it should be the developers that should document the bugs that they know, but can we consider that docteam is "responsible" of the errata page?
19:45:55 <marja> I don't think so :-þ   but we're willing to help when we can
19:45:56 <Akien> It does not mean that docteam should do all the work, but ensure that the information is there and accurate, and harass the developers to get the needed info :)
19:46:26 <MrsB> i don't think that's likely to work
19:46:28 <marja> Akien: there are too few active docteam members for that
19:47:13 <Akien> papoteur: WDYT about the above?
19:47:37 <papoteur> docteam is concentrated on updating the manuals to new functions, in particular for UEFI installations.
19:48:30 <papoteur> Akien: if we can help, we will do. This is not easy to resume a bug report od 50 comments.
19:48:51 <papoteur> s/od/of
19:49:01 <MrsB> yeah, that's not really fair
19:49:03 <Akien> Yeah I understand. What I'm looking for is someone/a team that could supervise the errata, and make sure that everything gets documented as it should.
19:49:36 <Akien> I fear that we might be missing stuff with all the bugs that we squash everyday
19:50:02 <marja> Akien: things can always still be added to the errata after release, if needed
19:50:05 <Akien> Or do we at least have a reliable way to find out bug reports that need to be errata'ed?
19:50:27 <MrsB> there are the closed bugs on the tracker
19:50:29 <Akien> Maybe we should use a whiteboard tag for that?
19:50:45 <papoteur> Akien: some are listed during meetings.
19:51:14 <tmb> isn't there already an "errata" tag ?
19:51:20 <marja> Akien: Stormi proposed a "ERRATA" keyword, but we could decice to use the uppercase ERRATA as whiteboard tag
19:51:24 <papoteur> Akien: it's sure a good idea, but perhaps late?
19:51:31 <marja> tmb: yes, that's what we had in 2011
19:51:49 <marja> tmb: but since then many flavours of that tag have emerged
19:51:49 <Akien> From what I've seen the ERRATA tag is often used _after_ the bug has been documented
19:52:07 <Akien> Which is good. But we still miss bugs that have not been documented yet
19:52:26 <leuhmanu> well some stuff needs to removed to like https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Errata#GNOME_live_isos certainly
19:52:32 <marja> Akien: they're documented in bugzilla
19:52:49 <leuhmanu> " this should be fixed, but keeping it in the errata for now in case someone hits it again. "
19:53:15 <tmb> leuhmanu, well, it still happends on non-live mode...
19:53:39 <leuhmanu> then it should not be here
19:53:40 <tmb> as the workaround was only written for / tested with live mode
19:53:47 <Akien> marja: Not really. Users have no way to find them.
19:53:50 <leuhmanu> ah no sorry
19:54:15 <tmb> buy I hope to have it properly fixed for final
19:54:17 <marja> Akien: we can't possibly add everything to the errata
19:54:47 <Akien> marja: Well every release blocker that we decide to drop as an errata entry, should be in the errata.
19:54:59 <marja> Akien: ah, yes, of course
19:55:21 <Akien> That's what I'm speaking about. Critical bugs that were not solved, are not in the errata yet, so have no ERRATA tag.
19:55:45 <papoteur> Akien: Are they Mga6 release blockers?
19:56:10 <Akien> papoteur: Some of them indeed, that's a good place to start to spot potential missing errata entries.
19:56:22 <marja> Akien: why not keep them release blocker until the are errata'ed
19:56:43 <Akien> marja: Because release blockers make us depressed :)
19:56:43 <marja> s/the/they/
19:57:40 <Akien> But yes to be fair, most of the time we only decrease priority once the bug has been documented, or moved to the mga6 tracker
19:57:47 <marja> Akien: then add 2ADD2ERRATA on the white board
19:58:00 <Akien> I'll try to browse through my archives and see if some bugs fell through the net
19:58:10 <MrsB> seems t be soem release notes in the errata
19:58:46 <Akien> Indeed
19:58:53 <marja> bug 15670 probably still needs to be added
20:01:26 <Akien> marja: FOR_ERRATA is maybe easier to read no? :)
20:01:35 <marja> Akien: yes
20:01:56 <papoteur> Akien: Ok
20:02:11 <Akien> I'll try to review the errata to move the release notes content away
20:02:29 <marja> Akien: thx
20:03:03 <Akien> What is our next topic?
20:03:30 <ennael> atelier :)
20:03:37 <Sebsebsebb> Ok
20:04:10 <MrsB> brb, sorry
20:04:25 <ennael> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5_pressrelease
20:04:27 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
20:04:27 <Sebsebsebb> Well Schultz havering connection issues it seems but I am deputy so let's go
20:04:39 <ennael> we still have to finalize press release
20:04:44 <Sebsebsebb> Yep
20:06:06 <Sebsebsebb> Did you start the pad I only just seen it
20:07:15 <Akien> I'll try to take some time this week to work on the press release
20:07:28 <Sebsebsebb> :) @ Aiken
20:07:35 <ennael> it has been mailed by Akien
20:07:40 <ennael> 10 days ago
20:07:57 <Sebsebsebb> Yes you seem to do the blog posts @ Aiken
20:08:00 <Akien> I think we'll do press release + blog post at the same time, since press release will mostly be a subset of the blog post IMO
20:08:59 <Sebsebsebb> Yes sounds good
20:10:04 <Sebsebsebb> Also do we have a likely release date for Mageia 5 likely as in even if a bit after with reason
20:10:23 <MrsB> good point
20:11:01 <MrsB> It's going to depend largely on how these first ISOs are looking
20:11:09 <MrsB> and what remains to be done
20:11:32 <Sebsebsebb> Yeah
20:11:47 <Sebsebsebb> So maybe a tubal in about three weeks
20:11:54 <Sebsebsebb> Final above
20:11:58 <wilcal> for sure this month right?
20:12:27 <ennael> within 2 weeks whould be the best
20:12:33 <MrsB> I'd say more likely 2 weeks but you never know, the final might go quickly what with all the work that went into the RC
20:12:58 <Sebsebsebb> @ Akien we can get the press release etc sorted our early though :)
20:13:09 <wilcal> Sounds like a plan
20:13:14 <MrsB> depends on team leaders Sebsebsebb
20:13:27 <Akien> Yeah that's the idea. The press release should be done asap.
20:14:01 <Sebsebsebb> Yep
20:14:06 <ennael> ok any other topic ?
20:14:25 <marja> ennael: board elections and association members
20:14:39 <marja> ennael: adding association members first
20:15:06 <Sebsebsebb> Not really as such but since deputy of atelier should be added to council list as far as I know still can't send to it if I want to
20:16:37 <Akien> Sebsebsebb: You should be able to now: http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-council.html
20:16:38 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-council ]
20:17:39 <wilcal> I'm good
20:19:40 <marja> #topic getting new association members
20:20:03 <ennael> ok so any proposals for new members ?
20:20:26 <marja> ennael: everyone who has been in council for a year or longer and hasn't yet been added
20:20:52 <marja> ennael: + people who did a lot for the project, even if they're less active now
20:21:18 <marja> ennael: e.g. dmorgan, tv, pterjan, wally, undoubtedly many more
20:21:55 <marja> ennael: in my opinion: better too many than too few (but feel free to disagree!)
20:22:01 <ennael> ok then
20:22:16 <ennael> easiest is to make a proposal by mail
20:22:20 <ennael> and we can complete it
20:23:05 <marja> ennael: OK, I'll make a list with (former) 1yr or + council members
20:23:28 <marja> ennael: and start a list with important contributors
20:23:30 <MrsB> i'd like to see more from the general community too, like active/respected forum people, people who always attend events or represent Mageia in other ways etc
20:23:32 <ennael> thanks
20:24:04 <marja> MrsB: feel free to start the important contributors list
20:24:25 <marja> MrsB: then I'll start the council members one
20:24:32 <MrsB> well i suppose the best way to star would be to ask the forums team for suggestions
20:24:46 <marja> doktor5000__: ^^^
20:25:25 <wilcal> The good doktor is super
20:25:52 <marja> MrsB: and maybe people from local communities, like napcok (who made the Polish Mga 1 Live iso and maintained the Polish Mageia forums)
20:26:29 <marja> and, of course, MageiaWelcome is a good contribution, too
20:27:19 <marja> is there more on this topic?
20:27:34 <ennael> not for me
20:27:50 <MrsB> all done :)
20:27:53 <marja> shall we end the meeting?
20:28:20 <marja> everyone's asleep ;-)
20:28:25 <marja> #endmeeting