19:11:28 <ennael> #startmeeting
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19:11:47 <ennael> ok so let's focus again on Mageia 5
19:12:00 <marja> Stormi: I'm here, but struggling with wlan (and wlan adapters)
19:12:00 <ennael> first question is: what's the status of RC isos
19:12:12 <Stormi> not bad
19:12:18 <Stormi> as far as I can tell
19:12:19 <MrsB> Well uefi is OK now
19:12:21 <ennael> #topic the status of RC isos
19:12:35 <MrsB> There are still a number of bugs, some more visible than others
19:13:08 <MrsB> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5rc
19:13:10 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
19:13:11 <MrsB> pad link
19:13:20 <MrsB> some errata towards the top
19:13:34 <MrsB> Some missing firmware also on dualdvd
19:14:03 * ennael will add them in list
19:14:17 <ennael> actually I was doing it then remember meeting
19:14:20 <MrsB> plymouth not working is down to missing "splash quiet" on classic installs
19:14:50 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15666
19:14:53 <[mbot> [ Bug 15666 After install from Classical media, boot process from Grub to Log in is in scrolling text ]
19:15:00 <MrsB> if those are an easy fix then it may be worth new classics
19:15:26 <ennael> firmware is easy
19:16:06 <MrsB> pterjan has commited some fixes for the partitioning of "use free space in windows partition"
19:16:52 <ennael> do you have bug number?
19:17:09 <Sebsebxebb> Hi
19:17:28 <marja> ennael: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15589
19:17:30 <[mbot> [ Bug 15589 Install unusable because installer used too little of the available space (after selecting Use the free space on a Microsoft Windows partition) ]
19:17:58 <MrsB> that one yes
19:18:05 <MrsB> morning Sebsebxebb
19:18:19 <Sebsebxebb> Evening MrsB
19:18:52 <MrsB> gnome live is the other problem iso
19:19:11 <MrsB> or isos
19:19:14 <Akien> From what I heard lebarhon is not 100% happy with the "use free space on a Windows partition" option yet, but it's way better than previously
19:19:24 <marja> and he is working on a fix to make it visible that the windows partiton can be shrunk further (or less) than installer suggestst  https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15728
19:19:27 <[mbot> [ Bug 15728 it is invisible in the doPartitionDisk screen, that the windows partition can be resized there. ]
19:19:30 <MrsB> it's altered since the last isos Akien
19:20:00 <Stormi> the commit I saw was about preferring the first disk even if another disk had a big windows partition
19:20:19 <Stormi> don't know about lebarhon's problem, but it's definitely not a RC-blocker
19:20:50 <lebarhon> the problem is the installer doesn't choose the largest NTFS partition
19:21:16 <MrsB> dude :)
19:21:17 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa everyone. Sorry I'm late. Just switched isps
19:21:34 <DavidWHodgins> Now have a cable connection, instead of adsl
19:21:48 <MrsB> very fitting, the new one Dave, teksavvy
19:21:50 <Luigi12_work> sorry to hear that
19:22:00 <ennael> I don't want to deny this pb but it was there for ages. It's not satisfying but we take some time later to work on it
19:22:09 <Luigi12_work> lebarhon: as I said on the qa-discuss list, the biggest might not be the best if it can't be shrunk the most
19:22:25 <Luigi12_work> but yeah you can choose what you want to do if you do custom, so certainly not a blocker
19:22:25 <marja> lebarhon: It'll choose thhttp://gitweb.mageia.org/software/drakx/commit/?id=71c5f17dd864c7783909f75f6e7d5bd9d56ce425
19:22:27 <[mbot> [ drakx - Mageia Installer and base platform for many utilities ]
19:22:40 <lebarhon> In my test the bigest had the most free space
19:22:59 <Luigi12_work> and it still didn't choose it?  weird
19:23:03 <Stormi> lebarhon: free space is not what's taken into account. Freeable space is.
19:23:10 <MrsB> Well he changed it to 20% from 10% and some other changes
19:23:21 <MrsB> since last isos mind you
19:23:25 <lebarhon> the space is freeable manually
19:23:35 <marja> lebarhon: it'll choose the partition with most avaible space on the disk you selected, with final isos
19:23:36 <Stormi> Also, I would have chosen the 15 Gb partition actually :)
19:24:05 <lebarhon> marja: you are wrong
19:24:36 <lebarhon> Stormi: 15 GB is too small for / and /home
19:24:42 <Luigi12_work> no it's not
19:24:47 <Stormi> I think this issue is not really a matter for pre-RC "go or no go" council meeting
19:24:53 <Luigi12_work> true
19:24:53 <marja> lebarhon: did you test his commit of 2015-04-18 23:58:12 (GMT) ?
19:24:53 <Akien> Stormi: +1
19:25:01 <Stormi> let's agree we can make it better and go to next one
19:25:08 <marja> OK
19:25:11 <Luigi12_work> thanks for keeping the meeting on topic :o)
19:25:30 <MrsB> yes visible issues are the ones which concern me most
19:25:48 <MrsB> RC is going to be used by reviewers
19:25:56 <lebarhon> marja: no it was round 8
19:26:55 <Akien> lebarhon: Ah ok, so there might be a different behaviour in the next set or the current boot.iso
19:27:22 <Stormi> MrsB: what are the visible issues? Gnome and splash?
19:27:33 <lebarhon> Akien: I will try the last update
19:27:33 <MrsB> mainly yes
19:28:07 * Stormi thinks ennael should raise a different species of pidgeons
19:28:22 <wilcal> I still see the "Oh No" thingy when booting Gnome
19:28:26 <ennael> sorry was investogating dual drivers
19:28:50 <ennael> what about live isos ?
19:28:58 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Is that in live mode, or after installing?
19:29:30 <Stormi> Lives don't boot on optimus laptops, 3 reports that I know of including Akien and me
19:29:45 <Stormi> except when forcing using vesa
19:29:46 <wilcal> For sure in Live mode. Then after install the first boot then it's gone
19:30:25 <MrsB> also gnome installed show a cmpletely blank screen when booting. Might be worth checking for missing kernel options there too
19:30:26 <tmb> Note that the changes by pterjan in git has not been rolled up to new drakxtools/stage2 ...
19:30:44 <ennael> Stormi: any opened bug about this?
19:31:14 <Akien> lebarhon: As per tmb's comment above, you can wait a bit before testing pterjan's changes for the Windows partition stuff
19:31:31 <lebarhon> OK
19:31:33 <Stormi> ennael: yes https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15734
19:31:35 <[mbot> [ Bug 15734 Booting laptop+nVIDIA Optimus from Live DVD (KDE or GNOME) ends with blank screen (X server fails to start) ]
19:31:49 <Stormi> actually, mga4 was the same
19:31:54 <Akien> I've had that bug since I have my laptop and never opened a bug, shame on me
19:32:20 <Stormi> we had tried looking at it with tmb back then I'm not sure I had a bug report either
19:32:52 <Stormi> so, not a regression, but I think the proportion of computers with optimus might have raised
19:33:14 <Stormi> I'd put it that way : let's try to fix it for final, it's late for RC
19:33:30 <ennael> ok
19:33:42 <ennael> is it the only annoying one for live isos ?
19:33:48 <Akien> Hopefully we have Martin Whitaker to open relevant bug reports :)
19:34:05 <Stormi> ennael: you mean apart from gnome's "oh no" in some situations?
19:34:14 <ennael> I mean optimus
19:34:34 <Stormi> so I haven't understood the question :)
19:34:47 <MrsB> also gnome installed show a cmpletely blank screen when booting. Might be worth checking for missing kernel options there too
19:35:59 <tmb> MrsB, live or classical ?
19:36:15 <MrsB> gnome installed from live, see pad
19:36:38 <MrsB> i didn't create a bug report for thta one somehow
19:38:02 <Stormi> about Optimus, classical installer thinks there are 2 screens, and proposes to configure either one or both GPUs
19:38:11 <Stormi> choosing the intel one allows to proceed without any problem
19:38:18 <Stormi> I haven't tested further
19:39:31 <Stormi> hello?
19:39:53 <DavidWHodgins> Stormi: Still here
19:39:56 <Stormi> :)
19:40:08 <ennael> checking the bug page...
19:40:09 <Akien> Stormi: Choosing something else kills X :)
19:40:18 <Stormi> Akien: good to know :)
19:40:21 <Akien> But that's a known (and somewhat documented) issue
19:40:39 <Stormi> yes, we just have to mention it in errata and try to do better in mga6
19:40:52 <Akien> For Mageia 6 we should either work on integrating/adapting the work ROSA did on this matter on XFdrake, or do our own implementation
19:40:56 <Stormi> would be nice if the Lives would use only intel so that they can boot
19:41:24 <Akien> Do you think they try to boot on nvidia?
19:41:32 <Stormi> I think bot modules are loaded
19:41:33 <Stormi> both
19:41:52 <Stormi> let me check mga5 errata
19:42:38 <Stormi> mga4 I meant
19:42:54 <Akien> #todo Stormi and Akien check optimus issues that need to be fixed/errata'ed
19:42:59 <Akien> Let's move on :)
19:43:31 <Stormi> " Here is a combination that works for some dual-GPU (Nvidia Optimus) configurations: rd.blacklist=nouveau rd.blacklist=nvidia xdriver=intel "
19:43:35 <ennael> so basically I rebuild classical isos including missing drivers in dual and new stage2
19:43:35 <Stormi> agreed
19:44:08 <ennael> (in fact drivers are missing on 64bits side)
19:44:18 <Stormi> oops
19:44:47 <ennael> so I can do it just after meeting
19:44:50 <tmb> ennael, dont you hardlink the nonfree drivers between i586 and x86_64  on dual ?
19:44:59 <ennael> tmb: it should not
19:45:06 <ennael> will check
19:45:11 <Akien> Can we have a fix for missing plymouth before rebuilding?
19:45:12 <MrsB> ennael: also be good to include a fix for the missing kernel options for plymouth
19:45:19 <ennael> tmb: only noarch
19:45:31 <Akien> It's a regression from recent changes, so it should not be too hard to track down
19:45:42 <tmb> ennael, the firmware packages are noarch
19:45:54 <ennael> but it should be there
19:46:16 <ennael> the directory is empty for now but it's not current topic :)
19:47:27 <tmb> ah, the adding of noiswmd flag might be overriding splash ...  I will re-check
19:48:42 <ennael> ok
19:49:05 <ennael> so tomorrow we need victi^w^wvolunteers to test classical isos
19:49:14 <ennael> then if ok we can release RC isos
19:49:14 <Akien> I'm in :)
19:49:23 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:49:45 <wilcal> I can look at the classica isos tomorrow
19:49:49 <ennael> thanks
19:49:50 <tmb> and that is was :(
19:49:55 <ennael> outch
19:50:05 <Akien> s/:(/:)/
19:50:10 <Akien> It's good to find the culprit :)
19:50:26 <tmb> I misread the drakx code... it's simply the last line with "append" that wins...
19:50:45 <tmb> but that's an easy fix :)
19:50:48 <MrsB> is thta the cause for classic too?
19:50:49 <ennael> I was wondering also
19:50:57 <ennael> there are append everywher :)
19:50:57 <ennael> e
19:51:54 * Luigi12_work wonders if that's the cause of bug 5763
19:52:11 <ennael> ok then we will need people to update web site
19:52:15 <ennael> anybody around?
19:52:49 <Stormi> apparently not
19:52:55 <Akien> ping leuhmanu, grenoya
19:52:55 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:53:01 <ennael> ok will mail atelier
19:53:11 <wilcal> I'm still hang'n in here :-))
19:53:28 <ennael> anything else on RC topic?
19:53:35 <tmb> Luigi12_work, most likely yes
19:54:21 <wilcal> Do we have any kind of a timeline here. Like 2nd week May release?
19:54:57 <MrsB> we could aim for that i guess
19:54:58 * tmb thinks we are doing a Debian release :)
19:55:06 <ennael> too late
19:55:10 <DavidWHodgins> When it's ready. :-)
19:55:12 <Luigi12_work> lol, they'll even beat us
19:55:16 <Luigi12_work> they're releasing on the 25th
19:55:33 <wilcal> 25th of April or 25th of May?
19:55:33 <ennael> if we release RC now we should be able to build final release within 2or 3 weeks
19:55:56 <wilcal> I think that's an excellant plan ennael.
19:56:07 <MrsB> we've made major progress for the RC so final should be fairly simple
19:56:09 <Luigi12_work> so we'll only be one Fedora release cycle behind schedule :o)
19:56:12 <MrsB> *should*
19:56:33 <wilcal> I don't think we should be working to someone elses schedule
19:56:43 <Luigi12_work> I wasn't suggesting we should be :P
19:57:52 <ennael> #topic next target: final release
19:58:05 <MrsB> \o/
19:58:10 <Luigi12_work> as for bug 5763, figured it would have to be something in the installer, as the code run in the %posttrans by the kernel packages looks correct (installkernel and the stuff it calls)
19:58:10 <ennael> ok do we have bugs we should have a look in priority ?
19:59:24 <Stormi> well, we have 15 release blockers open
19:59:43 <MrsB> force network config on live installs for final, ideally the 64bit nvidia thing on classics
20:00:38 <MrsB> lxde shutdown
20:01:27 <Stormi> the "first login goes into locked screensaver" issue on lxde and another DE, since it's a visible one maybe
20:02:02 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14069 current blockers on the tracker, there were others which didn't get added to the tracker though iinm
20:02:04 <[mbot> [ Bug 14069 [Tracker] Mageia 5 release critical ]
20:03:29 <MrsB> http://lstu.fr/Mga5ReleaseBlockers the other list
20:03:31 <[mbot> [ Log in to Mageia Bugzilla ]
20:05:59 <Luigi12_work> back when I did my long e-mail about blockers I went through the tracker and included in the list (and ennael's spreadsheet) the ones that looked like real blockers
20:06:29 <Akien> Last time I checked there was only one bug in the tracker that was set as "release_blocker" itself
20:06:53 <Akien> Namely https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12182
20:06:55 <[mbot> [ Bug 12182 drakxtools log function not working any more - probably since switch to journald ]
20:06:59 <Akien> And it's true that it's hardly a blocker in itself
20:07:11 <Luigi12_work> right; point being they've all been looked at
20:07:19 <Akien> Yes
20:08:52 <Stormi> I guess a new mail to dev about remaining blockers could be nice
20:08:56 <Stormi> right after RC
20:09:02 <Luigi12_work> yep
20:09:07 <ennael> even now
20:09:10 <Stormi> and RC will probably bring new ones
20:09:27 <Stormi> ok, who could be packager deputy leader here?
20:09:35 * MrsB looks
20:09:50 <Luigi12_work> Akien and I have each done one such e-mail; someone else's turn?  ;o)
20:10:14 <ennael> I can do one announcing RC isos very soon and listing remaining bugs
20:12:49 <Stormi> ok, anything else?
20:13:10 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:13:20 <MrsB> drink, then bedtime
20:14:15 <ennael> ok then
20:14:18 <ennael> short meeting
20:14:23 <ennael> thanks for attending
20:14:32 <MrsB> thanks ennael
20:14:32 <ennael> #endmeeting